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 ~The bellman | Smile  00:22, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)


Hi! Good work reverting that vandalism today.... - Borofkin 23:46, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

thanks. Bawolff 23:50, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Image caption

Seems to work for me... "fetal errors"? <grin> - Amgine/talk 29 June 2005 05:36 (UTC)

I think i need to add "/usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.5/includes/EditPage.php" to obituraies (: Bawolff 29 June 2005 05:40 (UTC)

Thank you...

Thank you for adding the transclusion to [[Category:Protected]]. I thought about doing that, but I was sidtracked. --Chiacomo (talk) 01:24, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Your welcome. Glad someone noticed. Bawolff 01:28, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for the cup of tea :) I really appreciate it :) Jason Safoutin 15:16, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 22:58, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

hey thanks for the heads up on the userbox war. --Zachjones4 21:08, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

New Main Page design proposal

I invite you and others to see Main Page Talk, where I have proposed a new Main Page for Wikinews. Best wishes, NGerda 01:50, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

Wendy's infobox

Hi ya'! This infobox was the very first to be developed here at Wikinews. Kinda rough, huh? :0! Best regards. -Edbrown05 23:01, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

yeah. Bawolff 23:02, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for getting the box and cats up... I'm gonna get to the story text in a bit (it's rough yet I know) -Edbrown05 23:06, 10 September 2005 (UTC)


Yes you can add google and anything like it - the only condition is that it should be useful, practical and does not overlap with other existing categories. Redundant catagories will be removed. -> CGorman (Talk) 11:54, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Astronomy Category

Thanks for the reorganization. I was just trying to offer constructive criticism and to define that there can be a difference between the two categories. Recent news stories such as the large Kuiper objects pushing the limits of the definition of a planet would clearly be considered Astronomy articles, and have some real general interest as well. I'm just trying to give Astronomers their due. Again, thanks for the work. --Robert Horning 23:36, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

no problem Bawolff 23:39, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Re: Google Homepage

Yes, it is an RSS parser. I'm not sure of the specifics of it, but it seems to parse RSS 1.0 and 2.0 feeds (haven't tried Atom yet). --Mrmiscellanious 02:09, 9 October 2005 (UTC)


I was wondering if you'd be opposed to my nominating you for adminship? - Amgine / talk 22:30, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

not at all. Bawolff 22:48, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
<grin> I hoped not. You're now nominated, and you will need to accept the nomination there (just say you accept and sign it.) Hope others share my opinions about your value to the site! - Amgine / talk 23:08, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
Thank you again. Bawolff 23:11, 16 October 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for nominating the Iraq ballots story! --Wolfrider 23:57, 18 October 2005 (UTC) No problem. I really enjoyed reading that story. Bawolff (-Smile.png 23:02, 19 October 2005 (UTC)


Template:W is a shortcut for links to Wikipedia. Instead of having to type both items, users can use the template to link to WP and only type the item once. (For example, United States of America) --Mrmiscellanious 23:29, 19 October 2005 (UTC) respomdes on user page.Bawolff (-Smile.png 21:55, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Spanish-language Wikinews Print edition

Hello. I downloaded perfectly the three PDF files of the Spanish Wikinews print version. Maybe you've having a problem with your Acrobat. Try reinstalling it or updating it if needed. Thanks for your comments. Cheers! Julián Ortega 14:52, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Wal-Mart Article

Either fix the article to you're liking or make some suggestions. I edited the article substantially to make it neutral. You can't just censor articles.

I'll cite the Wal-Mart source as well. 22:59, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm stuggling to keep cool. The reason you suspect that there is copyright infringement is because Wal-Mart Watch, and a number of other groups, sent out the information in a PRESS release. Press releases are not copywritten. 23:06, 22 October 2005 (UTC) responded on your user page Bawolff (-Smile.png 23:27, 22 October 2005 (UTC)


Congrats — the community has voted and you're now a Wikinews Administrator. Thanks for volunteering for this thankless job of cleaning up after vandals and processing deletion requests. Have fun! :-) -- IlyaHaykinson 07:48, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Ditto; congratulations. Neutralizer 11:56, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks Bawolff (-Smile.png 23:05, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
Late congrats! -> CGorman (Talk) 17:47, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Re; Student demonstration article

Since you had previously edited the article/talk; I thought you may wish to get involved on the talk page after seeing what happened to the article within a 5 minute period. [1] [2] [3]. Neutralizer 11:55, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Hope you will help me if this happens

An anon put this on my talk page today; "== Warning == theres a plot to perman. ban you. see: [[4]]"

In the meantime I have decided to take a wiki-break from editing (pls. see my talk) Neutralizer 21:20, 25 October 2005 (UTC)


Thanks Bawolff! I feel guilty as I've been quite inactive lately! I'm trying my best to contribute; but i'm in the middle of quite a lot at the moment... -> CGorman (Talk) 17:49, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

your welcome. Bawolff (-Smile.png 19:52, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Pre-war intelligence category and WN:DR

I knew there was a person who would ask! Anyways, the changing of the category is a pretty subtantial change, so I want the fact the name has been changed in a reletively-public area. You know, so people aren't shocked when they find their favorite category has gone away. --MESSEDROCKER (talk) 22:46, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Ok, sounds like a good idea. Bawolff (-Smile.png 22:52, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

News categories vs encyclopedia categories

I see you're doing a lot of category work. Have you considered whether these are news-oriented categories as opposed to encyclopeida categories? Wikinews is not an encyclopedia, and many of the categories which are being created (not necessarily by yourself) are not NPOV. - Amgine / talk 23:54, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Sorry If i'm adding categories to pages wich are not news categories, I'm just adding categories that were already there. Which categories do you specificly mean? the only when I can think of is really Category:Disease, which is livin' on the edge.Bawolff (-Smile.png 23:59, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
<nod> That one caught my eye, but items like the Plame category/Pre-war intelligence/whatever the current name is and the Human Rights category are clearly being used in a POV manner, and are nearly useless as a news category as well. If I were to look I'm sure I'd see a large number of non-news categories. - Amgine / talk 00:02, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
Pre war intel's being taken care of (WN:DR), however Human rights and some other categories that look useless at first site are very useful on various infoboxes and would brake DPL's If they wern't there. Bawolff (-Smile.png 00:07, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
Some of the categories were designed to create POV infoboxes, such as the Human Rights one. Some of the categories are only used by people pushing a POV because they are sub-sub-categories or further down the chain. Earlier discussions about categories continually found that, excluding regional categories, top and first level categories are the only ones used with any consistency, and usually only top. - Amgine / talk 00:18, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Unnecessary? I never said it was unnecessary. I said it was POV, and is causing fights in the community. For these reasons it is necessary that it be removed, IMO. - Amgine / talk 00:57, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

I was refering to Mr.M's comment not yours in regards to it being unnessary. Bawolff (-Smile.png 15:38, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks re; infobox

Thanks for the kind words and your help with the infobox. It has been a new thing for me; and quite enjoyable. Neutralizer 01:44, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Well I place my thanks here too as that was exactly what I tried! --Ameer™ 19:45, 31 October 2005 (UTC)


just weird trivia I've picked up along the way. - Amgine / talk 23:46, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Re: File:Google Print.gif

Yes, feel free to delete it. I uploaded it by accident. Thanks. Cllewr 01:06, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome!

New here, but active on Wikipedia for almost a year. I can see I've got a few things to learn about writing news articles here, but I'm learning. On that note, your welcoming remarks and links were very useful. --Skyring 07:20, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm glad you apreciated it. Bawolff (-Smile.png 22:05, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Passed-dr template

Good question. I made the link to the archive external-link style so that people will simply copy and paste the link from their browser. Simply a convenience thing. --MESSEDROCKER (talk) 22:55, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

ok. Bawolff (-Smile.png 22:56, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

re: welcome

you are more than welcome. ~The bellman | Smile 04:27, 7 November 2005 (UTC)


Glad you got a laugh! :) Cartooning is a recent interest of mine. Sometimes the mood strikes, and then the drawing comes hard to me, as I am certainly no pro... But if I doodle another that is half-way decent at least in its thought, i'll probably upload it. -Edbrown05 02:50, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Moz 1.7

Yuckies. The justification is full width, and has the nasty over-spacing of most browser-based text justification. - Amgine 04:44, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Okay, it's a bit of an odd thing. I don't get any columns (that is, only the normal layout), but the long article with the scroll bar(s, for me) is cool! - Amgine (not logged in, second browser ff 1.0.7)

Its only goining to work with 1.5. I think. which should be coming out in the next week I think. Bawolff (-Smile.png 05:38, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Just downloaded the rc. - Amgine 05:41, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
w00t! yes, that looks *very* nice in 1.5. <wonders if the new IE will have this feature> - Amgine  05:49, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
doubtful that IE will, but we can dream about it.Bawolff (-Smile.png 05:51, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
What's interesting is it *may* work just fine with other browsers. It showed up as just normal layout in Moz, plus a scroll box for the long tail article. We should test, because if so the columns could be used without harm, and it makes a nice newsy layout for people who *can* see it. - Amgine 05:56, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
I tried in MSIE and it looked totally normal. not even scroll bars apeared. checking in opera. Bawolff (-Smile.png 06:01, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
In Safari it has the vertical scroll, but no horizontal scroll, and was clipping about 2% of the visible width. - Amgine 06:10, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
In opera it doesn't do the scroll bar, and clips most of the article :( . Probaly would work fine if there was no height style, but thats what makes it go horizontal.
Maybe there is some way to make a Mozilla only style-sheet. If you look in the source of Wikinews theres tons of IE only stylesheet fixes (at least in Monobook), Maybe we could do the same with Moz(FX). Or maybe some Java-script to hide it from browsers that cut-it off( I know nothing about Javascript so I don't know if thats possible).Bawolff (-Smile.png 22:45, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
Other problem is Images. They don't do well in the columns as far as I can tell. see User talk:Bawolff/Sandbox/Column-test. Bawolff (-Smile.png 22:45, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Baha'i Portal

Thanks for advice & support at the watercooler Bawolff - I'v corrected the link. Could you start by setting up the portal for me? That would be a great help - I'm still a wikinewbie so it would take me a while. I like the way the Quaker one has been set up. I think NPOV would be ok - the items in BahaiMonitor are quite factually based, not pushing the BF or anything. However, they would only really be of interest to Bahais and those with a close interest in Bahai - would this be a problem? I'm thinking of stories like "Tunisian Muslim says ask forgiveness from Baha'is". This is of interest to Baha'is but a Jewish person might report the same story with a headline "Tunisian Muslim says ask forgiveness from Jews" AndrewRT 14:13, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for setting up the Portal Bawolff and also sorting out the floating text problem! Really appreciate it! AndrewRT 23:55, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
No problem. glad i could help. Bawolff (-Smile.png 00:01, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

What is wrong with your sig

See --Cspurrier 00:24, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Image location

Hi there!

The Greenspan image I'd put up came from Wikipedia, that's where I usually look to "borrow" them from. I'm not 100% sure on what goes on Commons and have had stuff deleted from there. Brian McNeil / talk 10:31, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

New sources for wikinews?

Sources - cats food & health (see)
Almost looks like "Cats food & health" is a journal! --JWSchmidt 20:33, 20 November 2005 (UTC)


Hi there. I've reverted your changes because it screw up formatting both at me, Brianmc and presumably quite a few other people and I was too stupid to fix it. Maybe you could take another look. --Deprifry|+T+ 10:49, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for the trophy!

--MESSEDROCKER (talk) 01:28, 27 November 2005 (UTC) no problem. Bawolff (-Smile.png 01:30, 27 November 2005 (UTC)


[Moved from user page]
ok; what i need is a blank page to keep this stuff in? Neutralizer 02:18, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

ok ,Chiacomo set up a special page for me so I will get rid of that template I made. Thanks for the heads up. Neutralizer 02:49, 22 November 2005 (UTC)


Just a handy tool :) I've been experiment with making a filtered list of headlines. See User:Zocky/News digest for results. Zocky 22:31, 27 November 2005 (UTC)


No, I'm afraid I still feel it is a biased name, and cannot be made otherwise.

I would suggest you create a Portal:Spirituality, which at least is more inclusive and to me represents news about spirituality rather than news which may have an element of religion (for example, any article about the violence in Kosovo should belong to a religion category as it is directly related, while it would not necessarily belong to the category spirituality.) - Amgine | talk 00:04, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Main page design?

I'm confused by your post to my talk page. I probably don't mind, but what is it that I don't mind? Theshibboleth 07:41, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

RE: FBI before 911

Bawolff, the article was an editorial. It is my policy, that is in accordiance with the NPOV policy, that they are deleted on sight. As the user should have viewed the style guide, linked to is the NPOV policy, I do not feel they need an explanation, but am welcome to give them one if they request. --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 16:48, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for the welcome! I will try to make some good contributions. Mushroom 01:58, 11 December 2005 (UTC) No problem. Glad to see your enthusastic. Bawolff (-Smile.png 02:38, 11 December 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for the Welcome. I've registered at Wikinews when it opened but I don't contribute much here. sq stands for shqip which is Albanian, and yes I can communicate in English. Dori 03:14, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: Request on WN:A

As requested, I will now state my reasoning for not participating in the mediation process between myself and Neutralizer (originally posted to WN:A at 17:11 UTC on 10 December 2005, striked-out due to user request):


I do not like to bicker about other users. I feel all contributors here deserve more respect than to see two of their fellow contributors accusing each other of being 'mean' or 'unfair'. If there was a better solution to the problem, then it should have presented itself. However, I do not agree with the current mediation process. Preventing further disputes doesn't mean bringing up 'points' for a 'neutral party' to decide which one has a better point, it means working with the two users to settle their dispute. And having a long-run war with someone and letting only one person decide what should be done isn't fair to the rest of the community. So, if there were suggestions by all users of the community to solve the dispute, it would be welcomed by this party. But I do not like having a neutral party taking any sides. There should be more than one opinion on the outcome.

Cheers. --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 16:30, 11 December 2005 (UTC)


I'm just replying to the message you left on my talk page regarding the logos I uploaded. Thanks for your comments. Sawran 18:01, 12 December 2005 (UTC)


Hi, I see you're online from the RC page. Thanks for your support before on Template:Xt. Care to support me again? I have posted a link to WN:NOT and now I worry. :) Unforgettableid 05:28, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

RE: unblock user:

Yes, the user has been assigned a static IP from Comcast, which only updates consumer IP's on an average of 2 years. For this, I have only blocked the user for the period of one year, which is enough to stop the disruption he is trying to cause. --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 11:51, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Image:Stanley Williams mugshot.jpg

Yeah, I realized that after uploading it. I tried to get an admin on the IRC channel to delete it, but apparently nobody did. Feel free to delete it. It is on commons under a different name, but since nobody's using it, I suppose there's no need to find it. Ral315 16:27, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: WN:A Question


My visions for a more effective dispute process would be most users, rather than just one, act as a mediator between a dispute. There would be no "points" to make for either candidate, as their actions speak for themselves. Users could ask for explanation from users, but are not obligated to. I realize this would require many users of the community to be present, so it'd be best to only use it in extreme cases. Certainly when users wish to list someone for de-admin'ing vote after vote, there's a dispute. But in my eyes, one person to mediate isn't enough. Users should submit their suggestions, and those in the dispute should do their best to meet that suggestion (if it is reasonable to achieve). But, I don't see how bickering about someone's every single edit is going to help any dispute. Last I heard, Neutralizer and Amgine still aren't on best speaking grounds, which is proof for me that the existing dispute resolution is not as strong as it needs to be.

The ArbCom is an issue of itself. I don't like having people up on something similar to a 'trial' for editing a wiki - especially a news wiki. If they break the rules, they should plainly be warned, then blocked. In my eyes, the ArbCom also isn't here to solve disputes, it's here to take a side of a user or users who are mad at another user. We should be acting more civilly than that. The community should have a say in what disputes are active, however I am not seeing much done by anyone to prevent or even tame disputes with the current methods.

--MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 16:07, 17 December 2005 (UTC)


All Iff can do is check if the first argument is the same as one of the other unnamed arguments and do different things based on the result.

I don't think there is currently a way to test for existence of a page in wikisyntax. It could conceivably be done with some serious abuse of includeonly tags and css, but it would be really ugly and non-flexible. You may want to ask a developer for an extension that could do that. Zocky 08:30, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Ok thanks. Bawolff (-Smile.png 08:33, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Policy proposal Re; Time limit for Administrators

hi,; hope you can support this I just put this on the watercooler policy section

This is an urgent issue that must be addressed now,imo, because an integral condition for exercising administrative authority here on wikinews is stipulated to be "You are trusted by the community"[1].

I have designed a very simple policy proposal. Our past attempts at dealing with this sensitive issue(e.g.ArbCom proposals) have been unsuccessful,imo, because of their complicatedness. I would simply ask, if possible, that this proposal be given an "up or down" vote (with associated comments of course). Any attempt to complicate OR DELAY IT (especially by existing administrators) could be seen as suspicious behavior, I think. Administrators who have the community's trust have nothing to fear with this proposal.


1. As of Feb.1,2006, adminships will be for a 1 year term. 2. All existing non-Bureaucrat adminships will terminate Feb. 1st. 2006.

3.Nominations for renewal of existing adminships will begin on January 24th.




RE:I hope you don't mind...

Thank you for reminding me, thanks to all those hurricanes, i forgot i was making that page, got to recreate that page, based on the current home pageterinjokes 19:32, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Image Policy

Hi, thanks for the heads up on the image policy--- is it still acceptable to use that image if it's on Wikicommons or is it a no no for this page because of the license? Sinblox 08:08, 20 December 2005 (UTC)


Alright, I accept. An initial more thoughtful reply was on [user_talk:Nyarlathotep my talk page], but then I remembered proper talk page etiquette.  :) Nyarlathotep 17:17, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

At present, I feel the most effective way to deal with what wikipedia calles "POV warriors" is to provide them a strategy / "stay out of trouble" guide, which I'll try to write at some point. For example, we often see these long POV article which would be much easier to make NPOV if they were two or three articles about "seperate events", which still communicated the original POV via short crosslinking paragraphs. In a news format, shorter stories are much more effective at getting people to read them, plus they tend to end up on multiple days, thus increasing the stories visibility (in RSS too). Plus they are not so intimidating to other wikinewsies, making it much more likely that all eventually become NPOV. Nyarlathotep 10:07, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

UN 'optimistic' on tsunami aid effort

You just protected UN 'optimistic' on tsunami aid effort, can you fix the w: link to "Indonesian". Thanks! --Brian McNeil / talk 22:00, 22 December 2005 (UTC) Done. Bawolff (-Smile.png 22:01, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Spinning globe on WN:A

Hey, I've reverted your image addition on WN:A because of the animation; I found that the image was quite annoying, personally, and felt as if it really didn't have much to do with the page itself. I did like your analogy, however, and felt as if we could use it as a quote on the page (which I will bring up on the talk page as a suggestion). --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 00:43, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

No problem, After looking at it today I almost did the same thing. Bawolff (-Smile.png 05:05, 23 December 2005 (UTC)


Why does the User:Bawolff/idea page not update the comments immediately? Am I missing something? Nyarlathotep 01:21, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

need to press the refresh to see new comments link. Bawolff (-Smile.png 04:15, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Bawolf nice smiley face cheers just like to say about the news missouri woman swallows cell phone and iraq and other stuff i hope you and wikinews expands and gets more help also the speed on wikinews is medicore i hope it goes faster cleanuping articles thanks ba!

Thanks for the reponse

I wish I had more time now to actually work on articles. Hopefully you might keep an eye on the block log in case there is more strange activity (reblocks)? I will be just working on articles from now on; this internal conflict is too exhausting for me. Thanks again; Neutralizer 20:56, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for checking out how Google indexes Wikireason. Don't know why it would rank pages like that, but hopefully as the site gets more incoming links, the homepage will look better.

I monitor spam/vandalism, and revert it as soon as I catch it. I occasionally block IPs, but I don't think it is too effective. thanks for the note. --adam from Wikireason

Apparently MediaWiki now incorporates a "partial protection" system to prevent spam/vandalism on frequently defaced pages. I'll check it out. -adam

RE: Block of User:Gyre

Alright, then I'll talk to him about the meatpuppeting. --MrMiscellaniousHappy Hanukkah – 17:33, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Static infobox

It creates a buffer overflow here, it seems to list all articles ever published. --Deprifry|+T+ 23:06, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I think this is actually a very serious security bug. Just imagine someone would put it in Template:Latest_news. --Deprifry|+T+ 23:11, 28 December 2005 (UTC)


What happened, my RSS feed just went down? Brian New Zealand 00:13, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Howdy, good job on the article it looks great, I have been trying get the wikinews original reporting rss feed going, and your very nice looking page will help, thanks again Inic 14:49, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

No problem Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 19:39, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Your idea for comments

I'm considering starting a wikiblog wikicity to handle comments for the various wikimedia projects. It would involve a small MediaWiki extension, which I could probably write, if no one has done someone similar already, but it should be basically viable. And you seemed like someone who I'd like to have some input from.  :) Nyarlathotep 03:29, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

For your hard work

☻ Someone has poured you tea

- Amgine | talk en.WN 06:07, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you. Bawolff (-Smile.png 06:24, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Re Baseball etc

No worries re the baseball thing. I actually wasn't sure myself for a moment and had to check. I'm not sure why Wikinews is popular in Australia as opposed to the rest of the world. I've never seen it promoted here and I don't remember hearing about it while I was at uni, so I don't think it's had any great exposure or anything. I only stumbled here by accident from wikipedia last month and thought what a great idea it was and that it would be a good opportunity for me to exercise some of those skills I paid a lot of money to get but seem to have forgotten. lol. Sarah Ewart 06:47, 1 January 2006 (UTC)


I sent you the newsletter. Peruano 15:45, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

So, is the article gonna be undeleted. Peruano 17:45, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Welcome message comments

Thanks for the welcome. I have just figured out a way to respond to your message. Perhaps there are other ways that are more useful?

For newbees a how to respond link would be useful - is there one?

As I said in my notes in reply to your comments: I hope this gets to you??? Your help will be much appreciated as I sort out how to do this. I'm on Firefox and don't have IRC installed. -I don't think this go to you.

It might be useful to have a few annotated examples of what makes up an article. Is this somewhere?

My first article: has two photos that I added to the commons. I'm not sure how to decide if either is considered 'public' can you point me to someone that can help me with this? The details of the photos are with the photos in the commons. I'm not sure how to put links to this quickly, if you can show me how this is done I'll use it in future talks.

If you are interested in further newbee comments about how to help people learning the Wikinews ropes from ground zero let me know.

User:Easy / talk

More Images in the Commons

Thanks very much for helping sort out the images. Good to hear one was ok.

There needs to be a better way to get more photos into the commons. In my second article there were 5 references to famous people that I would have liked to show a thumbnail image of. All the people were listed in Wikipedia, only one? had an image and it did not look like it would be acceptable for Wikinews. The other's did not have photos. Please put me in contact with someone that can help me sort out what is needed for a photo to make it into the commons with NO restrictions. All the people are well known and should have some photos they would like to make available especially since this can help the work they are doing. Perhaps photos from their websites???

I would like to persue getting the photos of these 5 people at least - with some knowledgeable help. Hopefully I can find a way that others can use to obtain more images for the commons.

It can help everyone a lot - as you well know.

Thanks for your help.

Take care, Easy

Easy 04:52, 6 January 2006 (UTC)talk

I've been wondering about this...

In the lead article, the image has these obscuring purple bars and has for a couple weeks. I didn't realize until just now the bars are due to your click template(s) which make the images navigation links.

It's a cool template hack! However, the bars are annoying. And I'm wondering how this affects image licensure, as it removes the direct link to the image (which contains the copyright/licensure notice and links required by most licenses.) - Amgine | talk en.WN 20:46, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

You shouldn't be able to see the purple bars if its set up right. I didn't think about the license thing when I put the template in. Note I didn't think up the template, I stole it from wikipedia after somebody pointed it out to me. (see template talk:sisterprojects) I don't know if it should be removed. Bawolff (-Smile.png 20:51, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
Can you see the purple bars on the pictures to sisterprojects at the bottom of the page? Bawolff (-Smile.png 20:54, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
<looks> - Amgine | talk en.WN 21:23, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
No, no bars in the sisterprojects. - Amgine | talk en.WN 21:24, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
Is this being worked on? - Amgine | talk en.WN 20:02, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

RE: User:Mrmiscellanious/Sandbox/Quote

Yeah, go ahead. I just keep them on there because I'm usually the only one who uses them.  :) --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 23:11, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: WNN Video

Yes. On the organizational level, I'd like to merge audio and video into one subproject called WNN ("WN Network"). Hopefully with the creation of such a project, we could easily encourage more users into creating media files and expanding Wikinews even further than it has come in the previous year. --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 23:42, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea. Bawolff (-Smile.png 23:43, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

User:Gangleri/DIRMARK T

Thanks! Best regards en:User:Gangleri | T 00:45, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
I've moved this template and am updating links. - Amgine | talk en.WN 19:21, 8 March 2006 (UTC)


Need to change the position of the logo to fixed! :-) Cheers Spum 11:36, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for reminder...

... however, I don't believe either image fell into that category. --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 22:08, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

I suppose it could be, but I always thought of publicity photos are those that were made to promote the person. If it were a FBI poster, and not just the image, I'd say it'd be publicity. This one, I think, is just plain fair use. --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 12:04, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

RE: Wnn-logo-sm.png

This logo wouldn't be copyright by Wikimedia, because it hasn't been supported by them yet. If it does become accepted, I may consider the possibility of signing the copyright over to them. --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 20:40, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

RE: Images

The FBI photo should be here, because it is fair use - publicity if you will. The WNN logo will stay here, and not on commons, because I don't even know if the proposal will go up, and I don't want them complaining about wrongly placed images. This way, I know where it's at and can delete it if it never goes through. --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 21:45, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

ArbCom nomination

Nobody can escape the call of duty! ;-) Please indicate whether you accept the nomination.--Eloquence 22:36, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Personal Attacks, Vandalism from I.P Address who commented on Portal:Football

Hey there bawolff. Just wanted to inform you that the IP that commented on the Portal:Football page is somewhat of a rabble rouser; he seems to enjoy pasting the misguided opinion that "English" are inbred remnants of United States Citizens (Renowned for being of course, unilaterally caucasian.. guess he hasn't heard of w:Americk). Well, anyway; it doesn't really concern me, whatever he says, because he obviously has way too much time on his hands.

Take care my friend :-) Spum

Checking about "Original-insight" articles

For instance - Say i wished to create an article which was an original article which offers some insight into a situatiuon. For example, it is unsure wether w:Thierry Henry will remain at w:Arsenal F.C., but say i wished to creat insight which was basically, my opinion on what i think is going to happen, is it okay to create such an article? Provided of course, i add that this is the opinion of me, and not certifiable fact.

Oppinion articles are only allowed in userspace.Bawolff (-Smile.png 23:39, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Fixing the auto-fixtures

Is there any chance we can? :-D

Yes. Bawolff (-Smile.png 16:49, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the note

Right now surprisingly enough - no one wants to e-mail that address - we'll see what happens in the future though...only like 3000 or so spam piled up at present...


Chris Bradley 22:10, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Weather poll

Why not? we have been trying, Amgine and I, I am creating the images for the Temps. Hmmm...we should try to get it back however. Jason Safoutin 20:14, 27 January 2006 (UTC)


How come you transclude the portals onto the cat page? Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 02:54, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Responded on Brian's page. Bawolff (-Smile.png 02:57, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Okay; cheers, I just thought it was weird that we have the portals twice. but you are right it does look nicer. (I was just basing my knowage on the aussie cat. that is not transcluded :) Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 03:01, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

undelete Chávez accused of anti-Semitism in Christmas speech

Hi, The article has been deleted so I don't know how you can have a look at it. It must've fallen through the cracks because it was listed as "abandoned" when, in fact, it was being regularly edited; and then it was deleted without a consensus. Hopefully you can manage to have a look at the article somehow. Neutralizer 03:49, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes I've looked at the article (I have Magical powers) I whish to see the opinions of others (specificly why) before I vote. Bawolff (-Smile.png 03:52, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

My picture of the week


RE: Image src

It'll take me a while, but I should be able to find it later today. --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 15:42, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

ok, thanks. I'm just trying to track down all the pictures. Bawolff (-Smile.png 18:34, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

The inter links are just for an incentive; e.g. a placeholder Spum 19:52, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Ok, (Not sure if thats a good idea or not.) Bawolff (-Smile.png 01:31, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Gov Ip's

a little bit obsessed that the gov is writing wikinews, are we[1]? Bawolff (-image:smile.png 21:21, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Heh, MrM is doing a proper contributions check just now. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:48, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

ArbCom Table

np with adding the ranking, the only reason I did not, was becaue I was not sure if I should add them. I think it is a good idea thru. Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 03:44, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Bawolff (-Smile.png 03:54, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing that error, Don't know how I mised it. :) Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 23:19, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
No problem. It didn't actually change any resaults. Bawolff (-Smile.png 23:20, 31 January 2006 (UTC)


The Arbcom selection process is completed, and you have been chosen by the community to serve in this role. Hopefully you won't have anything to do but twiddle your thumbs, but good on you anyway! - Amgine | talk en.WN 23:35, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Congrats. Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 23:40, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Thank you. Bawolff (-Smile.png 23:43, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikiquote logo deletion

Please do not delete any wikimedia logos. The image was hosted here due to issues with Commons deleting and altering logo images, destroying Wikinews layouts. This image is no longer available, which once again makes Wikinews dependent on Commons. - Amgine | talk en.WN 16:14, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

You should be apprised that MediaWiki does not actually use .svg images. SVG images are converted and served as .png images because very few browsers support .svg images. For example, the wikibooks logo you uploaded is being served on the main page as - Amgine | talk en.WN 23:09, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
iow, neither is scaling up to the specified 3000px. And we need 35px. - Amgine | talk en.WN 03:25, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
As I understand it, and I may be completely mistaken, MediaWiki creates an initial .png on upload for an SVG, and then never uses the SVG again. It works solely with the created .png. - Amgine | talk en.WN 03:30, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikimedia Foundation IRC

Hi can you join us on freenode #wikimedia-meeting and support me in the comment idea? :-) we may go +m soon, then it may be too late for u to join :( -- unforgettableid | talk to me 21:08, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

StrangerInParadise's block

I've reverted your 12h block, because it superseeds the recommendation of a 24h block for the first offense, and have instead reinstated a 48h block on StrangerInParadise. Seeing as this is the user's second offense in the past week, and that the user has been informed of wrongdoing numerous times, I think this is a fair block. Please respond on my talk page if you wish to continue this discussion (or join IRC). --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 01:39, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

→ talk to Brian McNeil. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 04:58, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

You noticed :)

What I was trying to do (a month ago) was find a way on the kiwi portal, where I could have a weeks worth of DPL days ready, and at the start of each week it would change over (If that makes any cents :)) Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 05:57, 13 February 2006 (UTC)


I like you sig, - the smiley face :) 01:43, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


Hi Bawolff, this is Amgine.

A category serves a different purpose than a portal. It lists articles which are related to the topic in an alphabetic format, suitable for searching. A portal, on the other hand displays current information and news, as well as links to the latest related articles and similar topical portals. In short, suitable for browsing, but not for searching. - 05:53, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

But as Dan100 pointed out, its very rare you'd want to search through news articles. I think A transcluded portal would be better, because its less clicks, as people may get to it from the cat links at the bottom of a page. Its also fairly easy to scroll down to get to the category listing, if on rare occasion you do whiish to search. Its also more pretty too. (okay the last lines a bit subjective)
Seccond question, why arn't you logged in? It looks kind of suspecious. I'm pretty sure its you as resolves to that IP, but its still kind of strange. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 17:40, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

My 3RR Proposal

I've called for a vote on the 3RR Proposal. Thanks for your earlier comments. StrangerInParadise 05:39, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Can I count on your vote for the 3RR proposal? Note that it is separate to the WN:Administrators proposal, on which I haven't yet moved for a vote. StrangerInParadise 21:58, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Request for Arbitration

Please enter your opinion as to whether the ArbCom should accept a request for arbitration in User: vs. User:Amgine. --Chiacomo (talk) 00:32, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Please enter your opinion as to whether the ArbCom should accept a request for arbitration in User:Brian New Zealand v User:Amgine --Chiacomo (talk) 05:26, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Your back :)

Did you have a good break? Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 00:24, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, yes it was. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 00:26, 7 March 2006 (UTC)


Well, I initially brought it straight to the ArbCom because I didn't think the Dispute Resolution process would be very valid. [5] I with drew my request in favour of Brian New Zealands on the unanimous request of pretty much everybody in sight at the time. [6] Brian New Zealand is firmly in favour of the use of userboxes, and he is also engaged in debates in their favour on en.Wikipedia where their presence is far more invasive, and the debates have sparked considerable involvement in the community. I am firmly of the opinion they act in a manner disruptive and harmful to the community, and violate the "not a webhost" policy of Wikinews. He and I are not opposed to each other, though we did edit war over his user page.

I believe neither of us will benefit from bringing this matter to dispute resolution. I am, however, willing to engage in that process if it is deemed necessary. - Amgine | talk en.WN 00:45, 7 March 2006 (UTC)


I don't think that the e-mail comfirm should be in the sitenotice, its allready on top of people's watchlist's Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 01:02, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I didn't no that. Some people don't use watchlists (like me! find them kind of useless because news articles are only edited for a short period of time. a couple pages are their to make them bold in RC (like wc and dr) but I don't actually look at the thing.) how about just putting that up there for a short period of time (~a day). Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 01:06, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Thats Fine, a day won't hurt, (BTW I fixed it, so it won't show to non-logged on users) Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 01:08, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Arbcom Mailing List

I have created an ArbCom mailing list on Google Groups (I didn't get a response when asking in #wikimedia-tech). Please send me a message from the address to which you wish to receive arbcom message. --Chiacomo (talk) 05:16, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

re block

Thanks it should have been Meta:Meta:WikiProject_on_open_proxies --Cspurrier 21:25, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Redirect vs. speedy deletion, status on your user page

Hi. I just saw that you returned the speedy deletion requests for Largest mass extinction in 65 million years underway, say scientists and its talk page into redirects. These pages do not link to anything (except for the new redirect) and nothing links to these pages, either. As I am not familiar with speedy deletions on the English wikinews, I would just like to ask you whether you always keep such pages here.

BTW, your user page tells us that you will be on wikinews holidays for a week from 30 November, 2005 on. ;-) Maybe you want to change it. --Angela H. 21:32, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Redirects are cheap. Either way works in this case. As for my userpage, I changed the one on my talk, and forgot the one on my userpage (whoops) Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 21:34, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

hey thanks for the heads up on the userbox war. --Zachjones4 21:08, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

No problem, we'll probally find out soon if they're going to be allowed or not. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 21:09, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Subject of Ayyavazhi

Hai, Bawolff. Why the category Ayyavazhi and article Ayyavazhi were suggested to deletion -Vaikunda Raja 23:04, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I voted there to keep Ayyavazhi. Then what futher we can do? -Vaikunda Raja 23:16, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
It appears the portal was listed on March 9th, 4 days ago. This is one day longer than required. The category's sole entry was that portal. - Amgine | talk en.WN 23:17, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Wow. edit conflict. An anonoymous user deleted the dr notice on the page. There for {{dr}} wasn't on the actual page long enough. I don't think one more day would hurt. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 23:22, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

To: Vaikunda Raja: If you whish for the portal to be kept, ask the voters at dr what steps they feel would be required to turn it into something acceptable at wikinews. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 23:22, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Undeletion out of process

Excuse me, the anon deleted the deletion notice after it had been listed in the portal and on DR page for more than 4 days. You have undeleted this portal out of process. Furthermore, this portal has no news articles and serves solely to advertise this religion, and is thus a speedy deletion candidate. I would request that you reconsider your actions. - Amgine | talk en.WN 23:24, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I was not aware that the notice was deleted today (thought it was yesterday) Reversing my actions. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 23:28, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

RfAr process

I commented here, but the nutshell is it's for the archives of the case. - Amgine | talk en.WN 05:14, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikinews Survey

Hi Bawolff, I wanted to thank you for your comments on the Wikinews survey. I agree with some of your concerns. Part of the questions are structured so that there can be consistency across sites I am surveying. In addition, I'm hesitant to make news changes, as there have already been some responses. I'm not sure how else to contact you about the option you suggested of posting at mediawiki:Sitenotice or Portal:Article Collaboration. If your concern is perception as spam, other sites (such as OhMyNews) have put a link on the side on their front pages and I have not received any major objections from readers. Of course though, each site has its own culture. Please contact me at if you're open to talking further. Thanks again. Hsing 13:39, 16 March 2006 (UTC)Hsing


Excellent! I'll leave that for the second generation of this idea though; there are too many possibilities for this initial offering. - Amgine | talk en.WN 00:34, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

medal count

The reason that the equal sign is there, is showing that the counties are tided. However if you think they should not be there, I'll remove them Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 23:11, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I see. To me it looks like someone made a table markup mistake, and thats the last thing I'd have geussed. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 23:21, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Yes, i suppose they could be seen to be a markup mistake :) Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 23:25, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Re; my comment to Ironiridis

  • My comment was meant just as a retaliation to his accusing me of voting against his adminbecause of his edits. I considereed that accusation very insulting so I tried to do a "comeback" that was supposed to get under his skin like his "dissapointing" comment got under mine. I couldn't even stand my own comment so I changed it to a triple negative which basically negated the damn thing. The bottom line is, it wasn't meant to be taken as anything more than a silly comeback comment.
  • It was stupid and wrong for me to make that comment so I am going to send a big apology to Ironiridis along with an explanation that I hope shows it was not meant as a serious accusation. Neutralizer 14:08, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm glad you choose to do that. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 01:33, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Motion to Close - BNZ v Amgine

Would you please vote (or discuss or make a change in the implementation notes) in the Motion to Close in BNZ v Amgine? Thank you! --Chiacomo (talk) 00:09, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Your userbox whitelist support (outside of RfAr, of course)

You have consistently resisted instruction creep of any kind (even in good ideas like my 3RR proposal =)). I am curious why you would even consider supporting this. StrangerInParadise 07:04, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

On Brian v Amgine you're down as supporting a whitelist

By creating a net-5 vote, you are making it policy on the motion to close, though you said that this policy should not be made by arbcom. Which is it? If you think ArbCom should not do this, you need to change your vote for the userbox whitelist! If you are even tempted to support this, then consider a whitelist for allowable news topics as well. StrangerInParadise 18:32, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I think it should be a suggestion, and I think I made that clear in my vote. I don't like the making it policy, but just delaying the closure of the case will do nothing. I feel that the whitelist's instruction creep, counteracts the wasted time on squabling over userboxes. As I see it, the whitelist is fully modifiable at anytime if any-one wants another different box. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 23:50, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Your vote counted as more than a suggestion, it was counted as a support. The only person who has wasted time over userboxes is Amgine, to whom ArbCom has handed just what he wanted- a pass on his actions and a gag on userboxes. Why should anyone have to seek prior permission to put something on his userpage, or to offer it to others? Please make your views clear. This would not delay closure of the case, it just means ArbCom doesn't make a whitelist policy. StrangerInParadise 23:58, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

As you can see, I voted support to the reconfirm. Even if I didn't vote support to the whitelist, It'd still have 4 votes. Notwithstanding my opinions on arbcom and policy, I still support the whitelist as a means of control over userboxes. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 00:02, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

By reconfirm, I assume you mean the summary at the bottom of the final decision. So long as your intention was to create a whitelist policy, that's fine. Your vote may actually be decisive, as I have asked EdBrown05 to confirm his as well, since his comments didn't quite square with his vote either. I don't have a problem with ArbCom making interim policy, per se, but this is a particularly bad one, sorry. Thanks for the confirmation. StrangerInParadise 00:25, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Category Economy and business

I saw your note but I dont understand the question. What do you have in mind? --Sfullenwider 05:16, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Except for those of us who have a really good understanding of the workings of a wiki I fail to see the point, we're small enough to know one another... Plus I can't figure out the tag :) --Sfullenwider 05:22, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
Also only one of thoose people are still active, so they're not used very much. (Tag is [[Category:Interest in Economy and business]] added to userpage). just thought I'd mention. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 05:28, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Interview questions needed: Chris Cerf

Christopher Cerf has agreed to an interview, co-organized and published by Wikinews and Muppet Wiki (a Wikicities project).

Chris' achievements throughout the years include:

  • composer and lyricist for Sesame Street (three Emmys, two Grammys).
  • founded and served as original editor-in-chief of Sesame Workshop's books, records, and toys division, critical in funding the series.
  • co-creating Between the Lions.
  • senior editor at Random House for eight years. There he worked with writers George Plimpton, Andy Warhol, Abbie Hoffman, Ray Bradbury, and Dr. Seuss.
  • editor and producer of Marlo Thomas & Friends' Free To Be... A Family book, album and TV special. The book was a NYT #1 bestseller within a week of publication.
  • Contributing Editor of National Lampoon magazine
  • involved in Not the New York Times, The Experts Speak, The Pentagon Catalog: Ordinary Products at Extraordinary Prices, The Official Politically Correct Dictionary, The Gulf War Reader, The Iraq War Reader
  • his songs have been sung by Paul Simon, Ray Charles, Johnny Cash, R.E.M., James Taylor, Tony Bennett, The Dixie Chicks, Tracy Chapman, Carol Channing, Randy Travis, The Four Tops, Melissa Etheridge, Smokey Robinson, Bonnie Raitt, Wynton Marsalis, Little Richard, B.B. King, Jimmy Buffett, Bart Simpson, and the Metropolitan Opera's José Carreras
  • Cerf’s musical material has appeared on Saturday Night Live, The National Lampoon Radio Hour, The Electric Company, Square One Television, Between the Lions, and in numerous Muppet productions
  • Son of Bennett Cerf (publisher, editor, and TV panelist, co-founder of Random House)

Got a question about Chris, his writings, his compositions, his productions, etc? -- Zanimum 18:26, 25 March 2006 (UTC)


for the welcome. SeniorWikiNewsReporter 23:57, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


commons:User talk:Bawolff. pctdayelise 05:34, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Daily e-mail of the Print edition pdf

You said you might need reminding of looking into this - so here's your reminder! Sounds a really good idea. Dan100 (Talk) 10:34, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Userbox discussion seems dead.

I reviewed your version a while back. I have a few problems with it, particularly the issues regarding transclusion as it serves as a defacto category system for users like SiP (who used a whatlinkshere to locate and spam people for the purpose of skewing a vote.)

I'd like to propose a few modifications to your policy:

Userboxes must not be templates (both as in transcluded and in template: namespace)
See below for justification for this change.
Userboxes must be limited to user space
Userboxes must be limited to use in User: and User talk: namespaces. They may link to pages in the Wikinews: namespace (such as the Wikinews:Translators pages) or pages in the User: and User talk: namespaces.
This replacement of the paragraph focuses on where they may be used (not in any other namespace) and what they may link to.
Userboxes which aren't templates
Almost any page can act like a template, and be included in another page. But better yet, almost any page can be copied into another page. Using {{subst:Namespace:Pagename}} the actual text of a page can be copied into a user's page wherever they would like it. Userboxes must be copied into the user's page.
Requiring userboxes to be subst: removes their use to create pools of party voters.

There are a number of shoulds I would prefer to remove, to avoid future arguments. Especially with wikilawyers. But the one thing I really want to avoid is use of transclusion. - Amgine | talk en.WN 18:39, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I personally think, the less set in stone the better This way if that is truely the best method it will always be applied, and if it isn't something else will be applied. But to me, I'm not planing to really use userboxes so I honestly don't mind too much either way. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 00:00, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Just a silly question...

The latest news is on the main page, as well as a link to the latest news (!?) and to the RSS feed for the latest news, as well as to Wikipedia articles on RSS and Atom. There are also two links to audio wikinews, the latest podcast, the RSS feed, and to Wikipedia help using OGG. The print edition has 2 links including the latest, an RSS feed, and a link to the Wikipedia article on Portable Document Format. And you've just added a link to a place where all of these are linked again, plus a link to WP articles on IRC and HTML.

Why do we need all these links on the main page? Don't we currently have a horrendously unbalanced layout? - Amgine | talk en.WN 23:06, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, when you put it that way, perhaps not . I just thought it'd be great to have a link to all the feeds all in one place. feel free to remove it if you wish. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 23:15, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Well hello!

Thanks for the warm welcome! It's nice to be acknowledged, especially when I'm just trying to figure out how the simplest things work.  :) Aramistin 07:01, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for saying Hi!

I'm a longtime Wikipedian making the dubious jump to Wikinews, and just wanted to say thank you...if the goals of wikinews are the same as Wikipedia, in general, I'll be fine...I mainly joined it because I was a subject of a Wikinews article by a fellow with a similar name to mine...and got accused (by similarity of the names) of contributing to a wikinews story about myself, which I didn't do! (I discovered a natural entrance to Mammoth Cave and the guy who reported it to wikinews has a similar name.) I promise to do my best to contribute only responsible edits or submissions. Best, Alan Canon 07:12, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Hotel articles

Thanks for the compliments :) I have put a lot of work into them and researched a lot. I made some good friends and in turn, they want Wikinews to be the main source of media reporting. According to the lawyer, for the most recent article, they sent me all the information before the local media :) Jason Safoutin 11:24, 25 April 2006 (UTC)


thanks, bawolff, a cup of tea always hits the spot. :) Doldrums 16:12, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikinews:Requests for arbitration/Users Cartman02au et al v Mrmiscellanious

It seems that little has happened with the case over the past few weeks. Is it possible that it be wrapped up shortly?-Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 23:10, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry. I'll try and push it forward. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 19:20, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Bawolff. I must be leaving the site for now, but I wanted you to be aware of these discussions before I return:
I posted to Cartman02au's talk page the following comment...
As you are one of the bringers of the case, my concern for you and other editors is the refusal by MrM to deal with the issues raised. What is sought by the dispute resolution process is a change in MrM's behavior. If he is allowed to not respond by labelling them as "attacks", and refuses to respond, then no opportunity is afforded you, as a disputant, to receive the relief you sought.
Are you satisfied with the heightened awareness of etiquette as enough of a response.
Personally, I am not. I maintain that it a responsibility to respond to the community. Failure to do so is one of the highest breeches of etiqette, because it ignores another's concerns. Where to ignore someone belittles them.
I have thoughts to proceed by asking ArbCom to either force MrM to answer to the dispute, or that he, or by precident any other editor, would leave the community if they refuse to answer to disputes that have merit.
Thoughts? -Edbrown05 01:22, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Cartman02au replied...
I agree that the case is far from being resolved to satisfaction. The problem is that at present it is hanging in limbo, which at the same time is doing nothing to solve the problem either.
I am not sure we could force MrM to answer the allegations, but I certainly agree that his behaviour should not go unnoticed. All that would do is give rise to a precendent that to avoid ArbCom action you just ignore the case - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 08:12, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
I made an identical comment to DragonFire1024, which resulted in this exchange on my talk page....
My stance has been clear. If any admin is do be de-admined, it is to be through a Rfda and voted from the community. Arbcom has no right to take away a position to which the community voted on. So I will not support a de-admin through arbcom. IMO, this arbcom case was opened with no other means of dispute resolution. As I know, you were blocked for an attack on MrM. Whether it was actually one or not I don't know. But you were blocked. If he feels that he was attacked by you, then I too would be hesitant to respond or might not respond at all. If you want to speak of ediquette, then IMO you should recuse from the Arbcom Committee in this case. Jason Safoutin 16:07, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't know why I was blocked, no explanation was ever given to me.
Your reply Jason is symtomatic of the problem... "If he [MrM] feels he was attacked...", then it results in a case where there is failure to "... respond at all."
I think that position leads toward what you complain about, that Wikinews is becoming a 'Theatre of War'. It will be and continue to be a theatre if people's concerns are being ignored, which is what MrM seems to be doing. -Edbrown05 16:34, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
That maybe your opinon, but I have never had a problem with MrM, and if I did, it was resolved. I see him attempting to keep the peace, but in most cases (90%) he is completely and blantantly ignored. I have given up on talk pages of articles that are disputed becasue of the lack of colloberation. I have in the past days, noticed a few articles where he is ignored, and where I was ignored. If I was attacked by you or anyone for that matter, I would not respond and if I did, it would not be right away. I don't think he is ignoring anything, I think 90% o the time he is beig ignored. And its not just him being ignored either. Jason Safoutin 16:43, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
You are responding with an 'article-centric' point-of-view, where I was speaking from an 'ArbCom-centric' point of view. I was referring to MrM's failure to repond at Dispute resolution/Users Borofkin, Mrmiscellanious, and others.
On article talk pages, I don't think anybody is able to put a finger on the exact causes of issues that arise there, but the manner in which MrM intacts with community is summarized by disputants on the 'Dispute resolution' linked in the paragraph above.
For MrM to work out the problems he confronts, he must face them. -Edbrown05 17:03, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Singapore Elections

Thanks for helping me update. I didn't see anything about the elections, so I decided to help out. How does one go about making a page "published"? -- 02:28, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! That's a lot of help. Hope I can put in some kind of image relating to the elections.-- 03:12, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi, my contributions in text are in CC-BY. Feel free to copy the table. The use of logos are fairuse, i suppose. cheers. --Vsion 03:23, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Thankyou. yes picts are okay. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 03:29, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

re: Great work

Hi Bawolff, thank you for your compliment!

Concerning the templates, I understood that I´m supposed to add the big template to every article, since I´ve read it like this on the help pages. But since I read so many help pages in the first days of working for and with wiki, I might have misread it. Anyway, I do think your perception of this is good. (And I admit, I had the same feeling once or twice, especially, when I read a rather short article. :-)

Tell you wa´, from now on I´ll just stick to the small template. Since this is wikinews, I guess, no one will "beat me up" for that. ;-) Thanks Gumboyaya 09:14, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Now that I´ve reread the relevant help pages, and just for your info: You are right. I already changed all the pages, as far as I could. Ta Gumboyaya 09:44, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok. I was wondering, because on some of thoose pages the big template looked really weird (: Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 16:11, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Portal Africa

Thanks for your prompt response. I added a new category on that article, though i "category:Africa" was added on 5th and "category:Sudan" is added today, ie 7th. I am sure the programme can be changed so that a new category can can be added on a later day, which won't change the original posting date of the article.Thanks again.Indrajitneogi 19:02, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. I'm not sure what you mean by I am sure the programme can be changed so that a new category can can be added on a later day, which won't change the original posting date of the article., so I can't really help you with that. I think they or organized by the DPl not which category is added (i.e. Adding a new cat won't help) but the DPL's confuse me in that aspect a bit. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 19:11, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Alternative stylesheets

According to Template:Wn news, you're the person to ask about this. The alternative stylesheet 'Clean and blue' replaces the Wikinews logo with a Wikipedia one. Is there any way we can prevent this? Frankie Roberto 09:56, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes. I was just about to fix it actually. Happy editing. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 21:53, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Good stuff! Cheers, Frankie Roberto 22:21, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Talk Page

Thanks for deleting my unnecessary talk page. FellowWikiNews 22:32, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 22:36, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Motion to close

There is a motion to close in Users Cartman02au et al v Mrmiscellanious. Would please review the implementation notes and cast your vote, if you feel ready? --Chiacomo (talk) 04:42, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

cat:Washington, D.C.

What do you think, scrap [[Category:District of Columbia]], and replace it with [[Category:Washington, D.C.]]? Your category usage in Wuerl appointed Washington, D.C.'s new bishop is more intuitive. -Edbrown05 00:58, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Crap, did I use the wrong one :O. Sure, that sound okay. (I thought I checked that). Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 01:11, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I was going to say something about that. FellowWikiNews 01:20, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
What do you think FellowWikiNews? Is there anything in the District of Columbia besides Washington? -Edbrown05 01:31, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Sorry. FellowWikiNews 23:24, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
For what? Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 00:15, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
I think Edbrown05 did not like what I said. FellowWikiNews 00:39, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


If the contest started on the 16, why does it say I have 2 jokers...We start with 3 right...well I earned one by doing 2 articles on the 16...on the 17 (today) I poublished one article, assuming vonbergm comments on it soon. Jason Safoutin 20:46, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Looking into it. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 22:41, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
fixed. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 00:30, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Barcelona article

Ahh erm a good start for my first article! Ok would a piece of original writing using Wikipedia work (I watched the game but its always useful to have backup), and also was the use of the lineups from the BBC article allowed; I would assume so because lineups are published freely in every media outlet and I didn't just copy those but adapted them, but I'd rather make sure. --Iamajpeg 10:03, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Its fine to re-write something wikipedia has done. We're just not allowed to cut and paste from them (they're allowed to cut and paste from us though). Happy editing. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 13:55, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


<grin> Yes, I know, that's why I own a commercial line for my setup. I am the ISP for this server. And the server is sitting a few feet away from me, so I can upgrade the hardware when I can afford it. And so on. <muwahahaha> Okay, maybe it's not so great; I still don't have the time/skills to fix the things which need fixing. - Amgine | talk en.WN 17:12, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

World to End - prepared story

Hi I'm Deicide2006 trying to contact User: Bawolff (and I'm too stupid to figure out user talk)

Yes - I am trying to create "world ends" prepared stories page and can't. Am I doing something wrong or is it disallowed?

Update - Hey! I found my earlier version under [[Wikinews:Bad_jokes_and_other_deleted_nonsense|] !!

Well I'm glad you all had fun - but I was being serious! World's gonna end some day... no more ridiculous than any of the other "prepared storied" IMHO. Genuinely... there was a serious point in there... somewhere... I vote for re-instating it, as the one story on Wikinews which is perpetually "prepared" but never quite finished; an eternal work in progress. deicide2006

Well you're free to try at WN:DR#Undeletion_requests, but I'm doubtful it'll pass. Happy editing. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 00:36, 19 May 2006 (UTC)


I was just talking with the commons admins to figure out what was going on with this; there are no plans to delete the .png there. It appears to be a somewhat eager contributor from Hong Kong. - Amgine | talk en.WN 04:55, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I was just looking for something to do. It seemed consistant with commons policy of deleting everything, everybody, and their dog. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 13:22, 19 May 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for your comments - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 22:00, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Maybe that is why Aussies need this, we spend too much time sitting in front of a computer editing wikis lol - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 10:46, 22 May 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for finding the time to vote on my RfA. I assure you that if I am granted Administratorship, I will use it use it solely in the best interests of Wikinews.


I changed the confirmation notice on WN:A a bit -- and voting shouldn't really begin before 0000 UTC tomorrow (May 26). --Chiacomo (talk) 05:43, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Mmm, the case closed on 23:26, 12 May 2006 (UTC). --Chiacomo (talk) 05:46, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
When I looked, the date is March 20 somehow (relooking). Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 05:47, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

The last vote on the motion to close was May 12 -- I closed it later that night at around 2300. See the top of the page for the closed stamp and the bottom of the proposed decision page for the last vote. --Chiacomo (talk) 05:48, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

The case wasn't opened until March 22. --Chiacomo (talk) 05:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I read the wrong date. I thought it was strange that neut let this pass for a month without saying anything. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 05:53, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I've been following the date carefully. No problem! --Chiacomo (talk) 06:05, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Chat WNN

You can use an irc client or the web applet, the info is this:

Okay, thanks. I just realized what day the 29th is, so I proably won't be able to come, but best of luck with it. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 18:42, 28 May 2006 (UTC)


This is a message to inform you that I have added every administrator to the Rfda section on WN:A. This is not personal and I feel as if the community, who did not have the option of voting for or against most of the administrators, should be able to choose who they want to be in charge. I also want to say that I value everyones work on this site and I know that everyone does their best. I hope that none of you will take this personally and I hope that all of us will continue to work together. Jason Safoutin 12:06, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

contest 2

I just published the IOTM for May: Keep your eyes peeled for cosmic debris. Would that count as an article for the writing contest? Jason Safoutin 17:44, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually Ral315 just helped out :) Jason Safoutin 17:51, 28 May 2006 (UTC)


I got it at Wikimedia commons under Kabul [7]

On another note, I am writing an article about the Curfew in Kabul and I am able to put the image in. However, I do not know how to make a thumbnail, can you help me out here?

-Thanks JesseCM


Thanks for the tip. I'm new here and took it as a warm welcome. If there is anything I can do to help around here just let me know. RadioKirk talk to me 22:11, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Sure. Theres lots to do depending what you're intreasted in. Finding good pictures for articles is one way that people who know their way arround commons/the image license thing, help out often (However are rules are different). Also Wikinews:Audio is always looking for more volunteers (well I assume so, I don't spend that much time on the audio part of the site). As well, Recent changes patrol is a lot more fun then in wikipedia as we don't have an overburdening amount of edits. You'll proablly find something you like to do here, after exploring a little. Happy editing. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 22:22, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
P.S Consider joining the IRC channel #Wikinews, #Wikinews-en on , as well as #en.wikinews on

Main page!

What happend to the main page? I could be wrong, but there are redlinks. See my comment here. FellowWikiNews 00:39, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


Go ahead. Ral315 (talk) 02:49, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I kinda already did, because you didn't respond for two days. Glad we agree. (I hope Elliot agrees to rejoin) Happy editing Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 03:07, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

My impostor

Frankly, it shouldn't have taken me as long to figure it out as it did, but I know who my impostor was, and the pw was simple from there, and the account is mine. Chiacomo was kind enough to unblock based on my e-mail address. When it's convenient, feel free to unblock the account itself. As for User:MyName, don't block him yet, let me see what I can do first. Thanks again for your help! RadioKirk talk to me 05:06, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


Per this discussion, feel free to permablock User:Nanook. Meantime, User:MyName swears his vandal days are over, and I hope he means it this time—among other things, an awful lot of eyes will be watching ;) RadioKirk talk to me 18:04, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Quick Question

Is there a list of all articles listed and in development so I can see what is already being covered and not recover something? MyName 18:45, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

yes. wikinews:Workspace, template:developing stories as well as a list on the lower right of the main page. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 00:22, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. Also, the vandlaism will NEVER happen again. MyName 00:27, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Well I hope so. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 00:29, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: My picture of the week

LOL sorry, this cracks me up... "Feel free to use ... my picture of the week", just follow this red link!! ;) RadioKirk talk to me 01:00, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Well at one point I had pictures there that I thought were cool. Then I stoped updating it because, well I'm lazy. Link auto-changes each week. Happy editing. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 02:58, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Q: Page Styles

In the monobook theme there is the View -> Page Style. But it only applys to that page, how can I make it so it is the default? nzgabriel 07:41, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

It only applies to the current page, because of the way your browser works (which to me seems sort of stupid). If you want it to stay the same you have to add a line to user:Nzgabriel/monobook.css, and it will stay that way. Which style do you want? Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 22:44, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Datrio. Please. nzgabriel 03:03, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


@import url(;

Re: Bureaucrat

I will accept, though I'm not sure we really need another bureaucrat. Thank you for your confidence. --Chiacomo (talk) 03:05, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Alright (: Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 03:14, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

To make things right

As a part of ArbCom you have selected and approved some users to do CheckUser permissions. This is done without any discussions, nominations or selection by Wikinews community. ArbComs part in this is not stated in any policy on Wikinews and this speedy and unauthoriced process can be seen as instructioncreeping. A fair posision in this case is to accept Wikimedia Foundation demand for allowing CheckUser permissions. It is that ArbCom approve them.

In ArbCom You now have selected these users. That is not a within ArbComs authotity. Whats done is a mistake and can easy be corrected by ArbCom. Declare this decision open and ask the community to select these users. The selection process is a buissnes for the whole Wikinews community and should be done by voting.

I must point to the importance of this. As I wrote in water cooler this can be a first step to make ArbCom to a kind of goverment body and this is not whats decided. I will go so far as to question the status of those of you, that dont work against a community based selection in this case, as elected representative in ArbCom or in worst case raise the question of ArbComs abolishing.

I hope that you solve this problem and make things right and dont put prestige in this in itself small thing. international 22:07, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I will consider your message and talk with the rest of arbcom. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 22:15, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

The policy change

You are right. The only important thing is that make it more obvious that ArbCom dont make other decisions than it is made to do. It might bee tempting to not ask community and let Arbcom make more faster and effective decisions. Or be used as a representative body in talks with others, like Wiki Foundation. This it what I think happend. international 09:59, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

To be more clear, The selection was not a dispute resolution, therby not a task for arbcom international 10:20, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Canadian English

But what if I like Canadian English??? Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 22:44, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
I like Canadian English. The page is a joke. FellowWikiNews 23:20, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes I know, I was joking. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 00:17, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


Some rule like this might work, although in principle the operation guidelines are good. Maybe the problem is just that it takes a couple of checkuser requests until everybody, including the people with checkuser authority gather some understanding of the guidelines.

What I find more concerning than 'frivolous checkuser requests' is fishing. This boils down to the people with checkuser privilige needing to understand the basics of how checkuser can and cannot be used (apart from the need to understand the technical side of figuring out which IPs are proxies, open proxies, access points, ..., so that not all people going through AOL's proxy come up as sockpuppets). I believe Chiacome understands these issues sufficiently well, whereas Cspurrier clearly does not. At this point, I simply believe Cspurrier should not have checkuser privilige because of this. Surely there is a trusted user on this wiki that could replace him. I am not sure if arbcom was paying attention to these issues when they selected these people, but this should be easy to fix. I find this much preferrable to miniculously spelling out policy regarding what is allowed with checkuser and what is not. Or do you have another idea how to deal with this? --vonbergm 04:37, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

You bring up a good point. you can always add more instructions, and more beuracrasy, but it isn't always a good idea. I also agree that revealing factchecker (I think it was fact checker) as sock was inapropriate. I'll think more about this tonight.user:Bawolff 05:12, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Another tought on checkuser. There should be a formal accept/reject procedure before a checkuser is perfromed. My guess is that if Cspurrier had not jumped on it right away, that request would have been rejected (for reasons including the one that the last checkuser was rejected). If we continue to have three checkusers, then it would make sense that one needs two 'accepts' until a checkuser can go ahead. (not sure how to deal with two accept and one reject.) also, maybe it is worthwile to put a sentence on data fishing into the policy, just for the record. Assuming that all checkusers understand the statistical and technological aspects of checkuser (which I am not confident in right now), this should be fine. --vonbergm 03:40, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Hmm. "Tonight" is when the next Checkuse request comes up? I am afraid that people will get upset again if there are no clear rules. Last time, Cspurrier (and Amgine) argued that fishing is ok. So I guess it will happen again. --vonbergm 04:20, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Oh, sorry about that, Lifes been busy, and I havn't had time to do much here. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 16:24, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Story prep.

Thanks for the tip Bawolff, I knew there was a feature like that but I couldnt find it at the time. Cheers. Fy2006 07:36, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

No problem. glad I could help. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 22:27, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


Very good proposition, The only thing that might make it better is a longer time between userrequest and formal checkuser request. 24 hours seems good. There is hardly a rush with it as in all cases of emergensy I can think on, action can take place without checkuser. And important to not, this include 'the checkusers' also. international 11:12, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

User talk:

Can you please delete this again? FellowWikiNews 22:10, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


I have configured and tested CommonsTicker for your site, please have a look. Please tell me if everything is OK, so I can start the ticker. -- w:de:Benutzer:Duesentrieb 16:00, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I put the newest entries on top (sorry about that). Shall I activate the bot now? -- w:de:Benutzer:Duesentrieb 23:57, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Sure. Thanks again. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 01:13, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I activated the ticker, next update around 10:13 UTC - note that there may be issues due to the massive replication lag we currently have on the toolserver. I'm working on making CommonsTicker more resilient to that. -- w:de:Benutzer:Duesentrieb 08:11, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Yipee. Thanks. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 17:01, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

CommonsTicker: new version to fix some problems

e replication lag we currently see on the toolserver (it's more than a day behind). While I hope this will not happen again in the future, I have been working on improving CommonsTicker so it handles out-of-sync entries gracefully.

I plan to activate a new version of CommonsTicker tonight or tomorrow - so look out for any new problems. Here are the most relevant changes:

  • fix handling of out-of-sync records (see above); added "latecomer" parameter to TickerEntry template (may be ignored)

id=377144 like this]. here] for an example that strikes out the entry if status is set to "done".

For the future, I'm planning to let CommonsTicker post warnings to the talk page of articles that use an image das is (about to be) deleted. I'll post another announcement when that feature is ready.

This message was posted automatically by the CommonsTicker bot. For feedback and discussion, please go to meta:User talk:Duesentrieb/CommonsTicker -- CommonsTicker 14:18, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

CommonsTicker: new version to fix some problems

Hello - sorry, the privious message was a bit broken. Below is a full repost. Sorry again -- CommonsTicker 14:51, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi - you may have noticed some problems with CommonsTicker lately - namely, some entries about deletions went missing, and some entries arrived several days late (messing up the date headings for ticker pages using append mode). This is caused by the massive replication lag we currently see on the toolserver (it's more than a day behind). While I hope this will not happen again in the future, I have been working on improving CommonsTicker so it handles out-of-sync entries gracefully.

I plan to activate a new version of CommonsTicker tonight or tomorrow - so look out for any new problems. Here are the most relevant changes:

  • fix handling of out-of-sync records (see above); added "latecomer" parameter to TickerEntry template (may be ignored)
  • deleted images can be restored now. To reflect this, I have added a "restored" action to CommonsTicker. To use it, you need to change your templates and/or CSS like this.
  • for pages in append-mode, there an empty "status" parameter is now handed to the TickerEntry template - this parameter can be set manually to trigger some type of marking or highliting, depending on how you set up your template and CSS. See here for an example that strikes out the entry if status is set to "done".

For the future, I'm planning to let CommonsTicker post warnings to the talk page of articles that use an image das is (about to be) deleted. I'll post another announcement when that feature is ready.

This message was posted automatically by the CommonsTicker bot. For feedback and discussion, please go to meta:User talk:Duesentrieb/CommonsTicker -- CommonsTicker 14:51, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


Wanna hear a joke? Wazzawazzawaz 15:02, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Sure I geuss. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 21:14, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


Shouldn't Vonbergm be nominated for adminship eventually? I havn't really been watching but I havn't seen any issues. Nyarlathotep 17:06, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't see any issues with him being an admin. Why don't you nominate him? Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 21:15, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: deletion of Image:Ken.jpg

The undeletion of image is impossible (technically). Sorry for the inconvenience. The problem is this image was copyrighted by Forbes. The last version of description page follows:

{{speedydelete|Images comes from Forbes -- not GFDL}}

== Summary ==
|Description=Canadian Kenneth Thompson
|Date=June 14, 2006

== Licensing ==

I believe, you can find another photo of Kenneth Thompson, but please do not upload it to Commons UNLESS it is under free license. Copyrighted and fair use images are not acceptable. Thank you. -- Zirland

What SAS stands for

SAS stands for submit a story. It was our old way for new user to submit stories if they found the normal way to hard. They would add it to a page and then someone (often myself) would copy it to its own page. If the story was a press release or a copyvio, it would just be removed from the SAS page. The copyvio sas template was created to let people know what happened to their story.--Cspurrier 20:08, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, intreasting. My page is now 105 kib big... lets see how big it can go! Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 20:10, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Anderson Picture

Yes. I got it from the depths of the SETI@home website. They just now deleted it? As I recall, I thought I sourced it. But I do not have time to look for it as I am on a computer at a cafe. But it is on the SETI@home website. Jason Safoutin 20:28, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll look into. Happy traveling. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 20:30, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Okay Duesentrieb told me that its from now I just need to figure out the license. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 00:30, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
The rest of the boinc website has the footer Copyright © 2006 University of California. Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation. Would it be safe to assume that this license would extend to the page in question? R2b2 00:35, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
hmmm, That'd certainly make life easier. I'll email the guy as that seems the safest thing to do. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 01:30, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Actually it'd qualify as a publicity photo but GFDL is better then fair use. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 02:15, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Email sent

Thanks for the change

Thank you very very much from changing from that ridiculous SectionMenu to the new, refreshing Browse. —THIS IS MESSEDR with umlaut.pngOCKER (TALK) 20:11, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

No problem. It was your idea afterall. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 04:33, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Time Warner and Turner Broadcasting to launch Cartoon Cartoon Network

Hi Bawolff - notice that this is the same IP that created All Wal-Mart Discount Stores are to become SuperCenters? Also, the Wikipedia article Cartoon Cartoons is currently tagged as "unverified or original research". I don't have time to investigate this, but I suspect a hoaxer. - Borofkin 04:22, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I'll look into it. Happy editing. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 19:17, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

oups !

... we changed the title both ... i need some sleep, i let you fix Jacques Divol

help with image

is needed on Mauritanians vote for new constitution. the second image is broke. does it need to be moved to commons? can u? thanks. Doldrums 17:35, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

here [8]. and thanks again. Doldrums 17:44, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
No problem. <looking> Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 17:45, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the support

Dear friend, i do appreciate your support in the situation with the article( status (published or disputed?). It shouldn't be allowed to anybody who just visits Wikinews to make such changes, without a single excuse or explanation. Thanks. Zorba 00:30, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Stuff like that happens from time to time. The general rule is that if you have no actionable objections (or you don't voice them), you can't stop it from being published. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 05:37, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


I have noticed that neither you nor Ral have been active as judges lately. Could you please tally up the jokers when you have the time. I am estimating there are 5-6 days left (if Jason doesn't return) -Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 10:49, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Whoops, totally forgot about that. Sorry. I'll tally it up. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 19:38, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
No problem, to be honest I dont know if the 2 articles per day went through. After Ral said about it we were still running under the normal rules, so I assume not.
Ok, I'll count with normal rules. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 21:59, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Happy Canada Day!

Happy Canada Day well tommorow anyways. FellowWikiNews 02:26, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Commons license

Hi, How do I add the right license to show it's a homemade image that I release to the public domain? Is it {{GFDL}}(self made)? and how would I add it to the image now? Neutralizer 13:18, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Return to editing footy portal :-)

I'm returning to start a new and improved football portal. :-D Spum 21:10, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

CommonsTicker: new version, new features

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RfC at Template:Source-science


wow, impressive talkpage. Anyway, I would appreciate some comment on Template:Source-science which I've proposed, but so far nobody commented down by the water cooler (here)...

--Steven Fruitsmaak (Talk) 16:08, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm going for a length record (: (Or thats my coverstory, really I'm just to lazy to archive). I'm looking at your source thingy. Happy editing. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 05:36, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Thx for your improvements, looks a lot better that way. I didn't know that "strange and unusual template" :-). I know it won't get used a lot, maybe it would help if the edit window said: "All articles should be sourced using this [[Category:Citation templates|template]]...", with a wikilink to a more complete list of citation templates... Anyway I mainly created it to be able to use it myself :-) --Steven Fruitsmaak (Talk) 09:47, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Welome back.

... no bears got you, or perhaps the other way around! :) Edbrown05 03:22, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

thanks. Good to be back. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 03:34, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for the welcome. I'm not sure if you're Canadian or not but if you are (or have an interest in Canada) you may want to join Wikinews:WikiBureau Canada. Crimson 05:43, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Can you look at this?

Can you please take a look at Bodies of Afghan boy, Canadian soldier returned, there's a bit of a conflict on the talk page. Crimson 17:16, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Main Page Section Menu

Portal:Canada is a well-maintained portal. Is it okay if I add it to the Main Page Section Menu? FellowWikiNews (W) 21:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Good question, I have no clue. Originally I think it was meant for continents, and Australia was a lone exception. Now we're getting to the point with other well-maintained portals, and if we keep putting exceptions its going to turn into another Wikinews:SectionMenu or Wikinews:Browse. Perhaps it would be overall better just to go back to continents. I really don't know, try asking on the Water cooler, or main page talk, or template talk:MainPageSectionMenu (with flag). I'm really unsure. (Or you could just be bold and add it, and If anyone gets mad about it they can revert it. that might be easier to do.) Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 21:22, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
I already added it to the Main Page Section Menu. But, Dan100 deleted it. [9] FellowWikiNews (W) 23:01, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


Hi Bawolff,

First of all, I like reading your articles!

About my question, I was wondering if it's possible to arrange stories in order of importance. For example, at the top of the list today is "The Green Party of Canada to elect new leader", but surely a more significant piece of news like "Iran inaugurates heavy-water production plant" should be at the top. You may be thinking it's silly of me to say such a thing, but I know quite a few people who use Wikipedia, and they agree with me.

Thanks for your help, Mick.

Mick 21:46, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for the tea! FellowWikiNews (W) 22:46, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for the warm cuppa. Crimson 00:07, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Template talk again... Fruitsmaak (Talk) 14:28, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I didn't quite understand your reply to my post over there, could you explain it some more? It's probably my English but I can't figure out what you're trying to say.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Talk) 22:40, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

stylesheet: some gratuitous opinion

i think the contrast b/w the white text background and the dark blue margins is too much. a slight blue-gray or blue-green background for text? Doldrums 06:58, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

hmm, I kinda like the contrast. I might try some different backgrounds later. Thanks for the opinion. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 07:02, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Sorry I misread your comment. I might try that, the problem is many templates are designed to work with white backgrounds (colored slightly offwhite, etc), I may try it though. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 00:28, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


Where can I see the old v. new stylesheets? On the links you provide I can only see the old??? maybe I am mistaken? Jason Safoutin 18:37, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure what you mean. Can you rephrase that? In firefox its view→Page Style→Datrio+MrM. By old do you mean standard monobook? Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 23:45, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I got an e-mail from you about the redesigns you are doing...I recall seeing a layout for articles?? something [fancy...]. The so called "old version." I see the old but where's the new above it? :) I rather like the old one but the headline should fill the grey or blue space or have the "breaking news" across there. Jason Safoutin 00:01, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
I would assume monobook...but for some reason in the past with the roll back button, before becoming an admin, I could not get it to work. But I also could have done it wrong. Jason Safoutin 00:02, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Nope, Wikinews:Custom skin is a seperate, dead project that I have nothing to do with. I Just propose changing the CSS. I could change the CSS for you to my version to show you what I mean if you want. (Also go on IRC to discuss too) Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 00:04, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Aww dead? I was thinking of more along the lines of a regular use in articles...Would that be possible? Lets bring the dead to life ;) Jason Safoutin 00:08, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't have the necissary skills to develop that type of skin (also tried to get it to work on my own mediawiki install, but failed misrable. CSS for that is missing as well) I'd love to do that if I had a clue what I was doing on that front. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 00:11, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
And I have to admit as well I also have no clue how, or the tools to do it. I just think that the white background and same style just get kinda there any easier way to do it? Jason Safoutin 00:13, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
As for tools, its just php for that and you can do it in notepad, unfourtanatly I don't know PHP. Could I set your user account to use my CSS to show you what I mean for a CSS redesign? Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 00:16, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


hi, will try it out. btw, there appears to be a glitch with the page footer (with the copyright notice, "Wikimedia" and "Mediawiki powered" thingies - its background turns white on mousover, and reverts to its normal translucant blue when the mouse is moved off (on Firefoxes old (1.0.7) and new ( Doldrums 04:59, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, thats intentional. Should I kill the effect? Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 18:58, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
oh? what is it for? Doldrums 09:17, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
To look cool (: Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 21:57, 5 September 2006 (UTC)


Great! Didn't know about those, glad to see they are already quite popular! --Fastfission 14:44, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


Yeah... but that doesn't seem to be the case, now does it? ;) irid:t 04:46, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Smart-1 probe ends 3 year mission by crashing into the Moon

Thanks! I was working on it till 4 O'clock in the morning. Yawn... Nice to know you like it :D --Errant 09:01, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikinews User Statistics Image

Hey Bawolff, NGerda here. The image was created by me from the Wikimedia official internal statistics data, so I'd assume it was fair game for Wikinews, but it really doesn't matter, since it's over a year old now. Best of luck to you! -- NGerda 06:37, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. If you created it from the statistics data, then its whatever license you choose for it, as only presentation can be copyrighted, not data (I think. IANAL don't quote me on that). So anyways, if you could tell me what license you would put that image under, that would be great. Happy editing. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 19:55, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Public Domain is fine.  :) -- NGerda 00:12, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Thankyou. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 05:17, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

"Cat food"

Nice edit summary. —this is messedrocker (talk) 05:22, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

You know thats the second time I've done that, and someone's pointed it out. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 05:24, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Lol. I just noticed that now. FellowWikiNews (W) (sign here!) 00:43, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


Original Barnstar.png Barnstar
For hardwork, building up numerous articles, going through doing the mindnumbing tasks, working hard on the wonderful new stylesheets, I give you this barnstar as a thanks. Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 07:10, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Thank you very much. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 07:11, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

date template

good job!... now let's see what people have to say about it. Doldrums 12:06, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad you got my message!

I'll be seeing you around hopefully. :o) Rubikfreak 14:23, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Admin

Could you delete Extremely drug-resistant tuberculosis strain emerges in South Africa per copyvio, and replace it with the new Extremely drug-resistant tuberculosis strain emerges in South Africa/Temp? Thankyou!--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 23:00, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

no problem. done. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 23:12, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I really hope you don't mind... Smiley.png think it was slowing computers like mine here, plus it took like forever to Show preview...--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 23:24, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Don't worry, I don't mind. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 23:24, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Please make a better one because I didn't do a very good job. Mabie you can make a better one. FellowWikiNews (W) 20:40, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


Sorry about article didn't know I had to use my own words.

Don't worry, Its your first article. Everything has to be original, if its not a quote. Happy editing, and good luck with your article. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 04:15, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


It was ok. One thing I could not stand though, is the repeated logo in the background. To tell you the truth, I come here very rarely, so I just removed it because I only wanted to try it. notafish }<';> 22:45, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay thanks for trying it. By the way, Datrio is basicly this minus the background. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 00:41, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


Just want to draw your attention to the current admin nomination vote. Crimson 21:16, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Admin Alert

Please visit this, there is a dispute that this user is webhosting his stuff. It says on top "THIS IS A SELF MADE SITE TO SHOW MY WEBPAGE". Anyways is there a wikinews template message in relevance to be placed in his page? Zer T 23:02, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


You seem to be consistently misspelling "mathematics" as "mathamatics". The following pages need to be moved from Category:Mathamatics to Category:Mathematics:

And then, in my opinion, Category:Mathamatics should be deleted. - dcljr 23:31, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

<sticks nose in> articles in cat:mathamatics have been fixed. am nominating the category for deletion. Doldrums 08:43, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing my spelling. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 22:01, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Doldrums' main page

hi, saw ur comment in the redesign page. have since then unhidden a leettle more. i'd appreciate it if u could take another look and comment (perhaps here). thanks :), Doldrums 08:30, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Admin vote

Thanks for supporting my successful admin nomination! I will try to live up to the confidence that's been shown in me. Crimson 17:17, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

RE: wireless talk thingy

I do, however, I don't know anywhere I can upload PNG files. If you can find a place, I will... Thunderhead(talk) 23:20, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[[Image:WirelessPNG.png]] There you go! Thunderhead(talk) 23:50, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


Hey Bawolff!

TimLee90 here, my apologies for violating wikinews policies. Thank you for informing me!

Don't worry, we all make mistakes. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 00:22, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Amgine can not de-admin himself

See this "Stewards are the only users who can remove administrator privileges." on the administrators' page. MrM wanted to be taken off the admin list and Eloquence said "No; not unless he was deadmined by the Stewards." 00:40, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

No, you don't know what you are talking about. MrM wanted to hide that he was an admin, Amgine IS NOT AN ADMIN. Stewards removed his admin privs. you can go talk to them if you don't believe me. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 00:43, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Please be helpful and provide the link showing the Stewards stripped him of his authority. Messed and you have been wrong more often than not. 00:46, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Edit removal

NO! Cspurrier said edits must be left; see here where he put this personal attack back.[10]after someone removed it. 01:04, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

These are two different situations. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 03:07, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


I have no problems with his block length being reduced, and agree that an indefinite ban might have been harsh. I do ask, however, that his user-page (the one on which he was spamming) not be undeleted. Thanks. PVJ(Talk)(Articles I have written) Flag of India.svg 07:44, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the user page being deleted is a good idea. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 01:43, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Categories on Commons

Would you mind sending me some cats on Commons? Thunderhead(talk) 21:18, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Although it does seem like i'd actually look at the main page. :P Thunderhead(talk) 01:49, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

RE: Snow in Iraq

You know, I didn't really think about that. So much for my trust in Google. You would think that 'American Embassy in Iraq' would bring some reliable results. Let me see if I can find another. Thanks! Thunderhead(talk) 01:07, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I actually would never thought of that either, it was the anon that brought it up, then I noticed RCMP outside the building, and that just seemed odd. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 01:13, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
yep and the anon is the guy they keep blocking; me. 01:16, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Messedrocker is Amgine; here's the undisputable proof

[11] " I restored his talk page history and replaced it with a notice. —this is messedrocker [[User talk:Messedrocker|<font "

[12] [13]

Abba 12:33, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

And you are neutralizer as well as being full of it. Look at the dates. MessedRocker restored Amgine's page on the 5 (As noted by special:log/delete - put user talk:Amgine in the title there). Then 5 days later (on oct 10) Amgine screwed arround with his page, as he can do if he whishes. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 23:24, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
See my response on Eloquence's talk page. —this is messedrocker (talk) 23:26, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Radio

That was on MessedRocker's talk page. I knew about Wikinews Audio, but I didn't know if I could compile those or not. Thunderhead(talk) 03:42, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


Hey Bawolff, thanks for the welcome message. I am indeed the same Khoikhoi from the English Wikipedia. Khoikhoi 02:45, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Thats good. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 04:56, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Tamil wikinews

Bawolff, thanks for leaving message at my user page in tamil wikipedia. glad that u took steps for the prelaunch pahse of tamil wikinews..but i don see a mention of it in ?? - w:ta:user:ravidreams-- 08:27, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

I actually don't know any tamil (or any other language for that matter other then english), so I can not start anything in the pre-launch phase as I don't know the language. I just put it there as its definitly ready to start translating stuff. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 19:05, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


Thanks Bawolff for your help on this image. However I'm not sure if Jerome Chen will agree to let this image to be fair used. I will call Jerome Chen by phone to have some double check for copyright issue later.--H.T. Chien / 眼鏡虎 (Discuss|Contributions) 16:48, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

I think we're legally allowed to use any logo under fair use if its the logo of something thats the subject of a story. (IANAL, so I proablly don't know what I'm talking about.). I have also emailed him. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 19:07, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for letting me know. That was me, but it was one of my wireless IPs. Thunderhead(talk) 06:53, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok, Just wanted to make sure that it was you. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 00:31, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the concern. Yep, then I edit alot from Lab at school, so I'll try to login @ school. Thunderhead(talk) 00:39, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: WN, WN:A

Sorry about that! Hey, worst that can happen is not get accepted, right? check WN:A Thunderhead(talk) 22:41, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I think you proabblly will. Best of luck. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 22:45, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll probably need it. I think I destroyed my fingernails when I tried for AR! :P Thunderhead(talk) 22:47, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
WN:AR is harder then WN:A. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 22:51, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
So I could tell. I'm glad though. My doctor advised me not to do WN:AR for a while. Thunderhead(talk) 22:57, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


I am interested in doing the "Today's Matches" section on the Football Portal. Ross-1 17:21, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Excellent. Basiclly what you have to do is just create a page for everyday, and what matches are on that day, and it will automaticlly rotate through them. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 22:14, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
In more details, what you have to do:
  1. === [[Portal:Football/Fixtures/2006/February/1|01, February 2006]] ===
    *Arsenal v West Ham, kick off at 20:00
    *Aston Villa v Chelsea, kick off at 19:45
    *Blackburn v Man Utd, kick off at 20:00
    *Liverpool v Birmingham, kick off at 20:00
    *Man City v Newcastle, kick off at 19:45
    *Portsmouth v Bolton, kick off at 19:45
    ===[[Portal:Football/Fixtures/2006/February/7|07, February 2005]]===
    No football games today.
    • For days with games, transclude it into the month page
    • Should use this format (note the artificial line doesn't need to be there as subpages has been enabled in Wikinews now.
    <noinclude><small>< [[Portal:Football/Fixtures/2006|2006]] | [[Portal:Football|Football]] </small><!-- artificial t'll its truly enabled --><br style="clear:both;" /></noinclude>
    <!-- more to come -->
    [[Category:February 2006|F]]
  2. Every year, make a new year page. see Portal:Football/Fixtures/2006 for details.

    Note none of this is set in stone, If you think anything would be better another way, feel free to be bold and change it. This is just how its done before.Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 22:47, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


Were you slightly ebrious when you posted this?

  • user:Stevenfruitsmaak is an admin!!! He will weild the mop and bucket like it never has been before, we will enter a new age of enlightenment! [14]

--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 00:28, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, now you know that people read it, and I promptly added it to my watchlist Smiley.png. I already added the word elsewhere in the wiktionary, but for your courtesy I've created, for the first time on wiktionary, a new entry: wikt:ebrious.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 20:04, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm glad your reading it. And to answer were original question, no. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 20:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Re:Poll on Cat:Israel

Thank you for offering to cast a vote on my behalf. I have since been unblocked and have responded to the poll. PVJ(Talk)(Articles I have written) Flag of India.svg 03:56, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Mars rover engineers build test sandbox

Hi and sorry for late reply, I don't come here very often. I know it looks like a valid question, but this user has been leaving this message on many projects; see for instance fr.wikipedia, en.wikiversity, meta.wikimedia. He has also left it on Commons and en.wikipedia, but it's too difficult to search the logs. guillom 14:40, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

See also [15] --Cspurrier 18:18, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, I've been told that about that by a number of people now. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 23:21, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


What is this for? Thunderhead(talk) 00:45, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

See Dragonfires recent edit summary, and talk page. Bawolff 00:48, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Alrighty. Mind putting Template:Nopublish so it won't show up in Developing Stories? Thunderhead(talk) 00:49, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Well the entire point was to have it show up in developing stories. Actually we could proablly delete it now. Bawolff 00:55, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I'll take your word for it, administrator! Thunderhead(talk) 00:55, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


Yep, that's what I was trying to do. Course I've always been bad at anything other than Wikicoding and Javascript. I've never really understood CSS. Thanks for your help. Thunderhead(talk) 01:55, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Glad I could help. I've always been bad at js (slowly learning), but love CSS. You know you can edit your Javascript at user:Thunderhead/monobook.js too. Bawolff 04:33, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Smiley.png Bawolff, Thank you for your comment on my recent RfA, which passed with a final tally of 6/2/2. This is a great achievement for me - and I cannot express what it means to me to become an administrator. If there is anything I can do to assist you in any way, don't hesitate to contact me! --Skenmy(tcwi) 16:23, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Your welcome. congratulations. Bawolff 00:31, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


Your CSS file:

@import "";

I tried to use this, and It worked in the preview, but when I saved, it didn't. Mind being Tech. Support? Thunderhead(talk)(Check out my RFA test) 00:19, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Never mind, it just kicked in. Great work! Thunderhead(talk)(Check out my RFA test) 00:21, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Glad to hear your trying it - Also, theres a couple of other ones you can try as alternate style-sheets (In firefox View->page style->selection, in other browsers something else, in Internet explorer nothing 'cause IE sucks. might not work though if you have other stylesheets and stuff in special:mypage/monobook.css). Yeah you generally need to wait a while or do a hard refresh (ctrl+R depending on browser) to get it to work. So, what do you think? Bawolff 00:31, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Also check out Wikinews:Skins. Bawolff 00:35, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Awesome work! Everthing is great, except for the tabs, which are now capitalized. Good work on that, but it takes some getting used to. Thunderhead(talk)(Check out my RFA test) 00:38, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Glad you like it. I personally never understood why the tabs were all lowercase - I always thought you capitilized the first letter on a title... but If you like it better lowercase, there is a line you can add to your monobook.css to make that happen. Bawolff 00:43, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Nah, I love your design, it just takes a while to get used to. Thunderhead(talk)(Check out my RFA test) 00:47, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Glad you like it, but I can't take all of the credit. It was mostly pl:wikireporter:Datrio's and MrM's [16] work. I just put them together. Bawolff 01:01, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Wikinews capitilization in Mediawiki:Sidebar

How do I get capitalization in the sidebar when using IE? —FellowWikiNews (W) 02:22, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Basicly a slight variation on what you did. You added a different redesign/css thingy I did to your monobook (Thats also included in the stylesheet you need however as well. see User:Bawolff/Sandbox/MessedRocker based main page redesign. I added the correct one. do a hard refresh (ctrl+R . If using AWB then I don't know if that keystroke works or not).
Nice design! It just takes a while to get used to. FellowWikiNews (W) 02:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Glad you like it. know if only I could convince people to make it the default.... Bawolff 02:44, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Image:Logo collage.png

Did Wikispecies change thier logo? I remember that there was a poll to change it from 3D to 2D. Thunderhead(talk)(Check out my RFA test) 02:04, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes the collage is outdated. Bawolff 06:34, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


Absolutely not. Got for it! --Skenmy(tcwi) 19:00, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Baghdad story

Can the Baghdad story be published yet? Sugarpine 00:01, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

responded on articles talk page. Bawolff 00:08, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


Sure you can put the numbers on the front page, just need to set my alarm earlier so i can have enough time to record. terinjokes User Page / Talk 03:42, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! I guess I have to update it now :) If anyone wants to help out, please leave a message on my talk. terinjokes User Page / Talk @ school

RE: Review

Hey, Bawollf. Thank you for the comments on my Peer Review, but what do you mean "this page"? Thunderhead(talk)(Check out my RFA test) 21:30, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

speedy dpl

thanks for catching that! shld've looked myself, i guess.  — Doldrums(talk) 08:45, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Bawolff 23:49, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Adminship thanks

Hi there! I'd like to thank you for your support to become an admin, it's greatly appreciated! -- Zanimum 14:26, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


Google ruined my life, because I was listed in their search results! I'm forever doomed! terinjokes User Page / Talk 17:46, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

umm, okay. Bawolff 04:21, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

The Cabal

Actually, I meant for that to seem like the "cabal" had marked that out. I have changed the link to Special:Cabal so that it is more clear. Thanks for the concern, though! Thunderhead(talk)(Check out my RFA test) 08:02, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

What cabal? Bawolff 00:28, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Exactly. By the way, thanks for the island. It is freezing down here :) Thunderhead(talk)(Check out my RFA test) 04:37, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Your welcome, Happy Birthday. Bawolff 04:44, 25 November 2006 (UTC)


I answered your question regarding the picture in my talk page Towsonu2003 04:05, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Venezuelan Rally Photos

No, I received permission from the person who took them.

Okay. Could you Please put who you recieved permission from, their exact words, how you recieved it (EMail, in person written etc), and if the picture is avalible online, where online on the image description page. (What would also be really great is if you did this but that's a little complicated and not required, but it would make it so all wikimedia projects in all languages could use that picture) thanks. Bawolff 07:58, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I am not the author I have had emails with him, and he didn't mind. I deleted the e-mail I cna e-mail him again if need be, but he is a busy blogger and might not check it for a while.
If you look at the articles's sources they are right there at as the bottom source.
Just delete it then, I know his e-mail, but he is extremely busy on the campaign trail and this is a small reason to bother him. If you still need the e-mail just ask me. The 13th 4postle

Revamp Main Page

I propose that the front page be revamped to display more articles at any one time and should displya categories like any news site. In order to sustain people's interest in the project, we need plenty of updates all the time and that featured main page stories be categorily arranged. Please check normal news sites such as googlenews for an idea on what I am saying. The revamp would include the following changed.

  • More stories on the homepage.
  • Bigger Picture for main story.
  • News Categories
  • Change title fonts back to Arial.
  • Change logo to resemble Wikipedia's main logo.

Please discuss this matter. TownCrier 01:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)


thanks! i always enjoy a cuppa :)  — Doldrums(talk) 08:51, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Your welcome. Bawolff 08:08, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of images

Hello Bawolff, sorry for troubling you. The google is not responsible for the copyrights. The uploader on picassaweb has their own copyrights. I have contacted the uploader, may be he could clarify the copyrights of the images. He claims the gallery as public album. May be they could use as in public domain once the uploader confirms the copyright. Regrads, Shyam (T/C) 08:56, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes google is not responsible for the copyrights in any way. its all the author. However public album definitly does not equal public domain. Could you perhaps forward me his responses to you contacting him? Thanks. User:Bawolff / 09:04, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


Bawolff, I am not that guy. Yes, you are correct. Someone else is using my name to spam the commons mailing list. I did not subscribe the commons list, so I was not aware of it. Very thanks to you for letting me know. Could someone warn/ban that user? Shyam (T/C) 06:55, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure they already have. (I have no idea how that works on mailing lists). I just thought you proablly wanted to know what was happening. Bawolff 04:39, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

free culture

I replied with another link regarding Lessig's free culture on my talk page Towsonu2003 07:26, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

User notice: spam2

Excellent work with your Monobook file! I love the live spell check, and the templates at the top are perfect. We bow down to you, O Modifier! Thunderhead - (talk) 03:28, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about. But it's impossible to put a live spell checker in css, you'd have to use JS for that. have you updated to Firefox 2 recently? Bawolff 01:34, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes, that I did, Bawolff. But I'm just telling you what I saw on the skin. Toolbar. 02:15, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Boy, I feel stupid for not adding {{WikimediaMention}} to the interview. I was caught up in the moment. Thunderhead - (talk) Congrajulations to Kat! 02:18, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Don't worry. Everyone always forgets that. Bawolff 02:27, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

On subject of modifications to the skin: Well, I didn't do it. Firefox 2 includes an inline spell checker. Whats on the toolbar? (I didn't notice anything new, so I'm curious as to what you are refering to). But thanks for the nice words. Bawolff 02:27, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

PD image

Image:1971 surrender.jpg may not be PD.  — Doldrums(talk) 07:39, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh sorry, I could of sworn the version I read said PD. Bawolff 20:54, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas, Bawolff/archives! I have really enjoyed working with you this year, and I am honestly looking forward to another year just like it. Wikinews is a great community, and I am really excited to be a part of it. Again, Merry Christmas! Thunderhead Wikinews-logo.svg
Thanks. Merry Christmas to you too. Bawolff 20:57, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

File:Santa arrest.JPG
HO HO HO! These people got no presents from me this year.
FellowWikiNews is whishing thou a Merry very pegan Christmas , Seasons Greetings, Happy Holidays, Happy Hanukkah, or whatever thou calls it, and
realised they had purposefully forgotten about thou. This user is completely thoughtless, doesn't care about Season's Greetings,
and therefore DEMANDS you have yourself a Merry Christmas... NOW!

Failure to comply will result in going to jail with Santa. (Note: Santa is Satan spelt backwards)!

Christmas Story (Children Friendly):

So kids, is Santa Democrat or Republican??!

Often depicted as an obese man wearing a tasteless red, ermine trimmed suit, Santa Claus is a self-employed Caucasian male who's been married to the same woman for several centuries. It appears likely that he is a churchgoer, insofar as he is a Catholic saint and a former bishop. It has to be assumed here that Claus was released from his vows, or else he would not have been married.

Frequent arguments have erupted over the political affiliation of Claus. Ten years ago, Dick Cheney inadvertently dealt a savage blow to the morale of the Republican Party when he misidentified the political affiliation of Santa Claus in his best-selling book, Parliament of Whores. "Santa Claus," he said, "is a Democrat." However it is perfectly obvious from his demographic profile alone that Santa is in fact a Republican.

This assessment is often rebutted by Democrats with Anne-McCaffery counter-analysis: Santa Claus has no children. High-achieving professionals without children trend Democratic. While the Clausian canon does not specifically address the issue of Santa's children, numerous extra-canonical sources suggest that Claus did, in fact, reproduce. Numerous Christmas TV movie specials alone support this point.

Santa is renowned for an aggressive adherence to a binary naughty/nice list, which suggests an impatience for nuanced moral positions that betrays his Republican preferences. Santa's mere willingness to define individuals along a naughty/nice axis demonstrates his indifference to the philosophical stance of, say, The New York Times. And note that no canonical or extra-canonical Clausian text indicates that Santa ever attended college or, God forbid, graduate school.


FellowWikiNews approves of this story.

I'm just going to say ummmm, to this. Merry Christmas Bawolff 21:01, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

P.S. What about Festivus (you seem to list every other holiday)? Bawolff 21:01, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

It's ok if you didn't think that it is funny. I got the story from w:Uncyclopedia, anyways. FellowWikiNews (W) 21:40, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
I think Santa is more likely a Liberal or an NDP. (he lives in Canada after all, despite whatever North Pole, Alaska may say.) (: Bawolff 23:57, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Do they even have polling stations in the North Pole? I think he would vote for Frosty the Snowman or mabie Mrs. Claus. lol. FellowWikiNews (W) 02:43, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Special ballot. Bawolff 04:22, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!


Merry Christmas! Wishing you all the best for the forthcoming year. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:17, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Merry Christmas to you too. Bawolff 21:01, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

Here's wishing you a very Merry Christmas and a happy New Year! Zeest(Talk)(Newpages) 03:10, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Merry Christmas to you too. Bawolff 04:20, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Temporary adminship

There was no sysop seeming to be present at this moment, so, after having seen vandal's contributions and his former blocks, in order to stop the vandal IP, I requested help on IRC channel #wikimedia-stewards ( One of the steward, knowing me well and being sure that I would clean everything in a few minutes, has chosen to give me temporary rights of sysop to help, as it happens sometimes for other projects when it's needed, and he removed those rights when it was no more necessary. smiley Hégésippe | ±Θ± 04:05, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

okay, Just was wondering what was going on. Glad you were there. We've seen to have had a lot of vandals arround today and yesterday, and most of the regurals have not been here. Bawolff 05:51, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

P.S. you don't show up in that log when I put your name as the title. only when its set to all entries, I looked there and didn't see you. Really glad you were there. Thanks Bawolff 05:51, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Sometimes, when there are for example little waves (or "tsunamis"...) of spam or vandalism on "small" projects without sysops (and there are a lot), a steward can also give adminship for him/herself (after having created his own account, at this time where single user login is not ready), delete or revert what has to be and block who has to be, and then remove his/her temporary adminship. In another way, Anthere (steward and chair of Wikimedia Foundation) gave herself adminship on some French projects for working on the MediaWiki message about the current fundraising. The log of rights, on Meta-Wiki, is full of this kind of "technical" temporary adminships. Hégésippe | ±Θ± 14:22, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Kicked from IRC?

Why was I kicked from IRC? 05:37, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

image uploads

Thanks for the tip. I didn't see the particular licenses in the drop-down, so I went without. It wasn't even clear to me whether I should label them as the right CC or as Grant of License. Of if they would even be allowed past breaking period. - KeithTyler 20:25, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Well honsetly our image use polcy is very lax and allows almost anything under GoL (Unlike the drop-down menu), so I personally think the most important part is to make sure they're labeled. user:BAwolff

I'd appreciate your feedback:

on my latest post on WN:AW.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 12:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


Please convince my local RSS reader (erm, Opera) as well as some of the online RSS readers [17]]. They all display correctly (it is just raw text...)

I don't think Firefox will for text/x-wiki. (checking) Bawolff 17:49, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
well look at that, it worked. I swear that didn't work six months ago. Bawolff 17:54, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Still not the best practice to send things with a wrong mime type though. Bawolff 17:59, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Half the web still sends out the wrong MIME type for half the stuff they send... terinjokes | Talk | Come visit the WikiBistro 18:03, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps, but this is really thew wrong mime type. Not even remotely close to the correct one. Bawolff 18:11, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikinews contest

Hi, I believe you owe me a Gmail invite for my friend. But I cant think of any friends who don't have Gmail (and would use it). And if they wanted a Gmail invite then I probably already gave them one because I have a Gmail account already. So I don't really need your prize of a Gmail invite, sorry. --Nzgabriel | Talk 19:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

yeah I thought so. Bawolff 08:30, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Main page experiments test redesigns etc

Talks for the feedback on the audio and for rmv the cats, completely forgot about that: obviously the test wasn't very succesful...--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 22:06, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

your welcome. Bawolff 08:31, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

CommonsTicker: Ticker Trouble


As you may have noticed, there have been some problems with CommonsTicker lately:

  • first, the toolserver was down. After it was back up, we had to wait for fresh database dumps.
  • also, many updates where failing because ticker pages where growing too large. Updates that went through half-way somtimes also caused entries to be posted multiple times, making the problem worse.
  • when I tried to improve performance, I introduced a bug that caused the ticker to post trash sometimes. I disabled the ticker again when I was told about it, and I have fixed all effected pages yesterday (I hope I didn't miss any).

To sort this out completely, I have to rewrite parts of CommonsTicker. For now, I will enable the ticker again for most wikis, but not for the ones that where having most trouble - namely de-wikipedia, en-wikinews, eo-wikipedia, es-wikipedia, fr-wikipedia, ja-wikipedia, ru-wikipedia, simple-wikipedia and zh-wikipedia. I'll have to investigate those more closely.

So please keep an eye on CommonsTicker in the next days - if there is any more trouble, please tell me, preferrably on meta:User_talk:Duesentrieb/CommonsTicker.

Regards -- meta:User:Duesentrieb 13:39, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

This message was posted automatically by the CommonsTicker bot. For feedback and discussion, please go to meta:User talk:Duesentrieb/CommonsTicker -- CommonsTicker 13:39, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

new here

I´m new here , can I ask why you reverted my edit?

Responded on your talk. Bawolff 09:10, 6 January 2007 (UTC)


As you may know this wiki is being mismanaged and will have to be dismantled if it can't interwiki with the big sister. A new mainpage design hasn't been selected and most new members lose their resolve after one day, like me. Please let me know how we can go about sorting out the new main page and then we can talk about the sense of purpose. TownCrier 05:55, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I'm a little tired, so I might be misunderstanding you, but we play fine with Wikipedia, wikibooks, wikispecies etc. We obey all wikimedia global policies (that I am aware of). Weather its mismanaged is in the eye of the beholder, but it certainly isn't getting dis-mantelled anytime soon.
Anyway, in regards to the main page, well their have been some changes, and that has resolved quite a few peoples problems with it. Currently there is nothing so seriouslly wrong with it that so a new version would have to be significantly better to take over. All the centralized efforts to replace it have failed so far, but there is some that are no longer active but say what is needed in a main page. Bawolff 06:08, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Have you considered going on Wikinews chat. its a lot easier then talking on talk pages. (Avalible at web interface or #en.wikinews on on your favourite w:IRC client.

I would use the wikinews chat to generate interest but i don't want to do that. as it seems to me, less then 5% of members who opened accounts actually participate here because of the right with WP current. What is worse is that the readership level is much less than the editorial level in comparison to WP. This is what i meant with the lack of interwiki, they can't coexist, wikinews either has to be a template within WP, or WP current has to #R to WN. Its really very simple and this proposal was talked about with no consensus to its regard. I don't want to start a conversation in public talk when i don't know what response i will get, i want to start a lobby to bring to meta wiki to bring up these issues. about the main-page its not good, especially with the font choice for the headlines. the MPs of all WMF wikis need to look like the MPs of all the sister wikis, period. i think WN has a great future if it sorts out the interwiki issue as i put it above. Are you interested in joining the lobby? Sleep well. TownCrier 06:48, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Okay, so you want all the wikimedia wiki's to be in one wiki, (like Uncyclopedia: and friends), or at least merge Wikipedia's current events. Well I disagree with you on quite a few points there. We are doing well in my opinion. Ever see Wikipedia in its early days? it was not anywhere near where it is now. We are currently just bit over two years old. We are doing well. If only 5% of people registering accounts here edit, you should see the number of accounts at wikipedia versus edits. As for chat, I don't mean to try and get support for your position (especially considering that this time of day only me and Doldrums are online) I just find it easier to understand what other people mean in an instant chat as oposed to a talk page chat. Happy editing. Bawolff 06:59, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

P.S. heres a previous discussion page, that might have some ideas on it if you're intreasted. Wikinews:Main Page redesign. Bawolff 23:49, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

newsletter idea

Hi, (I hope you don't mind this general message, I'm just randomly contacting people from my talk page)

I've had an idea after reading User:Kinnerc/WhereToWikinews? that might make people more aware of what's currently going on on this site, what discussions are being held, where help is needed etc. I've designed a little signpost-like box that I would like to introduce as a newsletter to post on user talk pages. Of course, the majority is copied from the Newsroom, which I think people don't visit often enough. Oh yeah, and the title should probably change :-D

I would appreciate some feedback on the idea, and also I'm interested to know if you would subscribe to such a newsletter. Please go to User_talk:Stevenfruitsmaak/Goings-on.

--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 19:49, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

The Fruitsmaak Goings-on Selection

Wikinews community

Wikipedia news - Wikimedia news

edit this

Collaboration requests

Post new request

Flagged discussions

Dan100 history

Dan made close to 20 edits on January 5. Now his edit history only shows three. What's up with that? -Edbrown05 03:54, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what your talking about. he has 29 by my count on his contrib page . Bawolff :-)(-: 04:04, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Please Bawollf link to Dan100's history page. I know sometimes my route to something is rendered differently than anothers. -Edbrown05 04:09, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Sometimes that happens to me too. :D .See messedRockers talk page (I have problems spelling that word, and I don't want to look it up again). Bawolff :-)(-: 04:11, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
yes. try special:contributions/Dan100. Bawolff :-)(-: 04:19, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: UFOs

"However I just want to make sure I am correct in the assumption its not ready to publish." Very. we don't know how old the reported statements are. all we have is "some were made in recent moonths", so not sure this is news. plus i've raised npov concerns.  — Doldrums(talk) 06:51, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay, just wanted to make sure. Bawolff :-)(-: 07:06, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh look I'm getting popular. 3 (at least) vandilizations of my page in about a week (And its the first three times too). Intreasting. Bawolff :-)(-: 07:06, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Well what do u expect, when you go against the vatican and ETs? :) btw, ur arbcom comment hasn't been signed.  — Doldrums(talk) 07:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Well that was the mumfum guy who did it last (presumably because I blocked him) and the guy before had no apparent reason that I can think of. oh well shows that we're growing as a site (:thanks for reminding me to sign. Bawolff :-)(-: 07:34, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


Hi, I can't see the comments tabs at the moment, if they are there that is. --Nzgabriel | Talk 05:25, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Try doing a hard refresh (proablly ctrl+R depending on which browser you use) (I made a screw up with the JS, that sort of made everything in mediawiki:monobook.js stop working. (RSS, no main page title, comments alt stylesheets etc for a short period of time.[which makes me feel really stupid. for some reason when I edited it, it randomlly deleted some lines] ) you may still have it in your cache of your browser. user:Bawolff


dear Bawolff

this is not a simple copyright violation. I work at a newspaper and am perfectly capable of knowing about plagurism. Our newspaper pays the AAP (and reuters for that matter) to supply us with stories. these stories have no copyright if we have paid for them. we publish dozens of these stories everyday. I do have premission. Everyone at my newspaper does


Symode09 23:15, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

The Goings-on Selection

Welcome to the first edition of this fortnightly Community Newsletter! If you have comments, please voice them. If you no longer wish to receive this newsletter, you can unsubscribe. If you have news for the next edition, please submit it here.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 00:30, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikinews community

Wikipedia news - Wikimedia news

edit this

Collaboration requests


Flagged discussions

Open polls

Please vote in open polls! Add {{poll}} to a page to have it listed here.

RE: Infoboxes

No problem at all! You mean the Template:Weather news infobox? Sure! Thunderhead - (talk) Congrajulations to Kat! 06:49, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

okay, good. Bawolff :-)(-: 23:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Your Wiki Check

Thunderhead                                                        January 16, 2007
123 Wikinews Ave.
Wikiwiki, WN 94541

PAY TO THE ORDER OF '''Bawolff'''                                  $1,000.00

IN THE AMOUNT OF '''One thousand dollars and 00/00 cents'''

Memo: '''©opyVio'''                           X ~~~~

Thunderhead - (talk) Congrajulations to Kat! 09:43, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I love recieving $1000 checks! However, I'm not really sure what this is for... Bawolff :-)(-: 23:21, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Remember the Copyright violation payment I owed FWN? I gave him $1,000 for the infrigement, and I'm basically bribing you... Thunderhead - (talk) Congrajulations to Kat! 23:28, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


I have spoken to my company lawyers and they essentially said that it was alright to publish stories as long as the company is paying a subscription however, to play it safe and to comply with some other overseas laws, the story should still be credited to the origional Journalist


Symode09 00:57, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

You are aware that by publishing it here, you are agreeing to let eny other website/newspaper/whoever to re-publish, and do whatever the crap they want with it, without paying for it? (just want to make sure) Bawolff :-)(-: 01:16, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

No seriously, I think we should get over the whole copyright thing, it is two difficult to be involved in this debate everythime I insert a story so, I shall just write it, it shouldn't be to hard

thanks anyway, it is mainly my fault I should have just given up because it is not worth it

Let's mov eon and focus on improving wikinews

thanks Symode09 06:34, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Philippines article

hi, can u take a look at Upcoming elections in the Philippines may be violent? needs some pov work i think, and have done my share of unpublishing and commenting (not actually editing, though:( ). would like to see some more views, thanks — Doldrums(talk) 07:49, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Prof shot in front of students and Philippine partylists announce nominees for upcoming elections are copied from a source which has a "Permission is granted to reprint or redistribute the articles, provided the author/s and Bulatlat are properly credited and notified.". i don't think the notif. requirement is compatible with our license. i sent an e-mail requesting permission and haven't got a reply yet. any ideas on what to do?  — Doldrums(talk) 09:42, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
hmmm, I geuss we'll have to remove the articles from wikinews, if they don't respond. I'm fairly certain that you're correct in saying that their license is incompatible because of notification. Bawolff 21:23, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


Oops, I just clicked on edit section and deleted the section. Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 11:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry, I did a similiar thing too, a bit ago. Bawolff 19:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not making wrong informations

Hi Bawollf i see that you reverted my edits to the verison of the wrong ones and you could just use your and you could do good edits and the five edits. —Daisy's Gamer 00:26, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Series of earthquakes hit Korea, Indonesia, Turkey and Norway

In the page there only times on the clock on wiki means five and zero because it has the hand on the time line. —Daisy's Gamer 00:37, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


I have replied to the message you left me on my talk page on my talk page here.


Yes I took it. I work in Russell Square House (you can look it up on a map), my Camera is a Canon Powershot A300. If you would like proof that I work there, please email me using the "email this user" form. - w:en:User:Francis Tyers

wikipedia images

Are not always okay here. We have different policies then they do (Specificly, If the image is fiar use and from a news organization or blog, it is not okay, and everything needs to have a url on it if its from an online source). Bawolff 01:12, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I know :) I think you're talking about - It's public domain as specified in its page... Towsonu2003 01:22, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
yes, And that one is okay, I just wanted to make sure you knew that as a general rule, that is not always the case. Bawolff 01:29, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
On a similiar note, Image:Masum.gif met speedy deletion criteria. Bawolff 02:10, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't know / remember what that is. Towsonu2003 04:28, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
It was an image from an online newspaper. Bawolff 04:32, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
looks like some cops, poking at some dead guy on a bench or something like that. Bawolff 04:34, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh yes, that should be the pic for the pic for Turkish homeless man burns to death after being neglected -it was a breaking news item, than I just forgot about the pic... Towsonu2003 06:11, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Well we're on the subject of images, just to confirm, you took Image:Linux sreenshot.jpg yourself? (and if so, what theme was it using (specioficly a free or not free one)? and are there any proprity programs runing)? Bawolff 00:10, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
You're strict, aren't you :) No, it came either from commons.wikimedi or wikipedia... don't remember... keep in mind that
Cquote1.svg This is a screen shot. It is believed that screen shots may be exhibited on Wikimedia projects under the fair use provision of United States copyright law. Use of the screen shot here does not imply endorsement of the software by the Wikimedia Foundation, nor does it imply endorsement of the Wikimedia Foundation by the software authors. Cquote2.svg
thanks Towsonu2003 00:36, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
okay found it (w:Image:Linux sreenshot.jpg) . thanks. Bawolff 00:42, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
wow good work :) I looked for it myself and couldn't find... Towsonu2003 00:50, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
lol. Bawolff 00:53, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Burlington map

I copyied the source info from Wikipedia. I guess they will have to change it to Crown copyright too. FellowWikiNews (W) (sign here!) 01:28, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

yes, sometimes wikipedia lies. But the important thing is that its all sorted out (On wikinews, I can't make heads or tails about what your supposed to do with that on wikipedia). Bawolff 01:31, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Image HrantDink asassin

I have left a comment on the talk page here and would appriciate your help. Cheers --Markie 15:06, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


i don't think UFOs belong as a Space topic, at best, this is partly true(meteorites) or disputed, at worst, simply appears to lend legitimacy to a what is labelled as a Pseudoscience topic on WP.  — Doldrums(talk) 20:37, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Well its (potentially crazy) people believing aliens are coming from space. It probably isn't true, but its directly linked with space. where else would you put it? Bawolff 20:40, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
sorry for the late response. i would do the following - use cat:UFO whenever there's a claim. add cat:Space to article if there's a suggestion/claim that the event is a astronomical one, use cat:wacky if it seems so. i would make subcat UFOs under Science/Tech - whatever the explanation for the event - it is going to be a natural or manmade event; rather than make it a subcat of Space - that wld be claiming that the explanation is of extraterrestrial origin. sounds good?  — Doldrums(talk) 04:37, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
ok, sounds good. Bawolff 08:13, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

template specialPublish

I see you are working ahead of the curve for sorting MainPage news stories from Portal pages. I am a bit of a stickler for naming conventions. I also believe that the 'Comment' tab suffered for a lack of a good naming convention. With certainly, some news stories will not make to the MainPage. The tag name to make that so must be suitable. -Edbrown05 09:07, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I am a little tired right now, so if I misinterpret something you say, please tell me. I'm assuming you mean specialPublish is a crappy name for the tag, which it is, but currently its not really used (as we're small enough, that every story needs to count), but if it is ever is, it should probably be renamed (if you feel like it, you can rename it now, just make sure to make everything in portal:quaker work). As far as the comment tab thing goes, that was one of the main issues with it, but its very hard to express the difference between discuss and comment (and add comment) in less then a sentence. Bawolff 09:14, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Smiling, and thinking too, that's all I had to say right now. -Edbrown05 09:20, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Sort of thinking Category:PortalNews is accurate, fair, and neutral. -Edbrown05 08:18, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
That sounds good, or maybe something like category:Local publish (to go along with category:Local only) maybe. Bawolff 21:51, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Local only news

Note the correct category for local news is category:Local only (ussually acompined with something like template:specialPublish). However I disagree with Discriminatory job ad by Central Bank of Turkey asks for men only being considered local only. I think, especially at this stage in wikinews development, that it is intreasting enough for a global audience. Bawolff 06:50, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to go about this. I added this "local" tag to it because of the discussions on having single non-english sources... so I used that local tag to show that that news item was not subject to the single source non-english issue... I don't want it to be seen as "local only, don't read it!". Rather I wanted to convey the message of "this is local, I can't find english source"... Here's the discussion I have been dealing with about foreign sources. Towsonu2003 09:48, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
hmm, somehow I don't think that will solve the underlying problem though (If its not english, no one else canread it, so they can't verify it). Bawolff 09:54, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Help?? Yes!

I was trying to make it work with an optional second parameter, but it didn't seem to work so I had to settle for a "name=" parameter. Could you make it work with just {{{2}}}? It should work I think, maybe I just didn't look hard enough... anyway works now too and is explained. I ocasionally try to show some template skills but usually reach my limits pretty fast :-D
--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 21:30, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

How's it look now (You need to purge the cache ( ) to make the template update if its included on its own page. Bawolff 21:33, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Ah yes... I refreshed but of course I should've purged... thank God for the computer-gifted! Thanks.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 21:37, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
your welcome, glad I could help. Bawolff 21:40, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Re:Santa image

I found the source but I'm not sure about the copyright :( Please help... FellowWikiNews (W) (sign here!) 17:00, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

sure, just I can't look at it today (just checking my messages right now, don't really have time to do anything at the moment). Bawolff 21:51, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


Hey, thanks for fixing these mistakes and leave-outs i've been making. It's 3:05 in the morning here, and honestly, my mind is cloudy. Haven't been getting much sleep latley with school and all. I'll try to be more aware in the future, and attempt to change my edit / sleep habits :) Thunderhead - (talk) 08:05, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

your welcome. Bawolff 21:51, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Image:Olympic rings.png

I honestly don't remember. Replace as desired. Ral315 (talk) 03:09, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

okay, thanks. Bawolff 08:12, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


Please help me, O' Lord computer-gifted Bawolff. I was removing the deleted firefox image off User:RossKoepke's user page but I got a notice saying:

Spam protection filter
From Wikinews, the free news source you can write!
Jump to: navigation, search
The page you wanted to save was blocked by the spam filter. This is probably caused by a link to an external site. 
The following text is what triggered our spam filter:
Return to Main Page.

I removed the links so I could remove the image but now it won't let me re-add the links. What should I do? FellowWikiNews (W) (sign here!) 02:25, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

You can't reinsert it linked (without somehow getting it off the meta:spam blacklist), however you can replace it with ross__dot__servebeer__dot__com or something (if you omit the http:// it might work). Bawolff 04:32, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


ah! so that was the problem.  — Doldrums(talk) 07:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

btw, what do u think of the Shorts idea?  — Doldrums(talk) 07:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

RE: Bulladelah photo

Hey, I've added the email. Sam doesnt want his address published though. Cheers - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 10:02, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 10:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikinews RSS Feed

Thanks for your kind words about my rss feed. I was just getting to much dos on my rss and had to shut it down. Once I pulled the feed I was getting this every day.

Analysed requests from Thu-01-Feb-2007 00:00 to Fri-02-Feb-2007 00:47 (1.0 days). Total failed requests: 343,181

Happy editing to you as well Inic 05:54, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Appointment to Wikinews Arbitration Committee

To whom it may concern.

Following the elections of January 2007, the Wikinews Arbitration Committee Appointment Committee (WNARBCOMAPCO) hereby appoints you, Ma'am or Sir, to a seat on the Arbitration Committee (ARBCOM) for a term ending on January 31, 2008. The WNARBCOMAPCO congratulates you on your election to this esteemed committee and wishes you the best of luck for your tenure.

Yours sincerely,

--+Deprifry+ 03:26, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Head of the Wikinews Arbitration Committee Appointment Committee Board of Managing Directors (HOTWNARBCOMAPCOBOMD)

yipee, another year of being on the cabal, err, I mean arbcom. TINC! Bawolff 03:32, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
On a serious note. I wanted to say thank you for everyone who voted for me. I hope to continue to serve everyone well as an arbitrator. Bawolff 03:32, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
You deserved it! FellowWikiNews (W) (sign here!) 03:33, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thank you. Bawolff 03:35, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


How long ago was this poll? Mabye time for a new one... Club2007 00:34, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Okay, I won't argue. I looked at the poll and there were only about 60 votes. Time for a re-vote?


Yeah sorry about that. To be honest i didn't check the source on 'peida so it's my fault and yes it should have been deleted. Thanks--Markie 12:43, 4 February 2007 (UTC) Also related to this i would like to upload from 'pedia but does "SkySport" count as a competing news source??--Markie 13:26, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that image would be allowed. That tv station does news too, and its proably from their news broadcast. 21:00, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


No problem, sorry about the confusion. I think I might also have found an image on Commons that could have superseeded (sp?) that. Can't remember the file name, though. --Thunderhead - (talk) 15:09, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I highly doubt that, as images like that are not really allowed on commons. Bawolff 21:01, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Soccer results/fixtures moderator


I saw you are in need of moderator for soccer results/fixtures section. I could provide you with (free) accurate XML feeds with results/fixtures for over 600 soccer competitions world wide.

Please contact me if you are interested:

I'm currently discussing this with someone. Bawolff 21:19, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi Bawolff, have you already decided about this one? As said, we could embed our results/fixtures data for over 600 leagues inside Wikipedia.

"Shrinking Cities" Image

Thanks. --Elatanatari 19:23, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Do you know how to get the article on the Culture & Entertainment list of the North America Portal?

It is there currently. Usually you just add the two categories (category:North America, and Category:Culture and entertainment). Bawolff 23:19, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again.--Elatanatari 16:48, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Removal of title tag

Thanks for the title tag tip... it worked! :-) --user:jgladding

your welcome, glad I could help. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask (just not on w:Talk:Main Page as that's actually the wrong place) Bawolff 06:02, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
yeah, I figured as much, but I'm still learning Witiquette... it's so hard to follow all the "rules" around here. ;-)
yes, well around here (wikinews) its a lot simpler. On wikipedia its complex due to the extreme amount of people there. they have to have lots of rules, or stuff would become over-run. Bawolff 08:58, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

photos (animation) thingy

Good job with the photographer thingy for Annie awards. Bawolff 22:46, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Any sort of pre-planned event in a major metro area, I'm willing to try and get professional photographers to come out to it. I didn't expect many people would want to take pictures of people that are only famous within such a narrow community, but it's amazing how much interest that I got, just through a single Craigslist posting. -- Zanimum 16:05, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I just think that it is really cool. Bawolff 03:06, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

fur story

How does it qualify as an interview? Bawolff 03:30, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

See this revision - Zanimum was the person who decided to add that to the article. I'm not a regular at Wikinews, so I don't know what qualifies as an interview. It wasn't exactly one-on-one, but there were more board members than people attending the meeting. GreenReaper 04:22, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Well that's slightly pushing it, but I think its okay. Bawolff 04:31, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
p.s. do you want me to revert the crap on this page? Bawolff 03:30, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
It is history. Let it remain. :-) GreenReaper 04:22, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

GFDL images

can't be used, i take it. place a note to that effect on WN:IUP?  — Doldrums(talk) 07:23, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

WN:IUP is not reflective of current practices. The correct answer is they sort of can be used — Category:GFDL images. They should (in ideal world) be at commons. However they are allowed here because people got pissed at commons a while back, and its a slippery slope from there. Also by the same logic, we'd have to remove all CC-bY, PD CC-BY-SA, and other free images as well (which we should do eventually). Bawolff 07:28, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
See also Wikinews talk:Image use policy. Actually I just made a post to commons-l, discussing how wikinews and commons have sort of drifted apart (IMHO) [19] Bawolff 07:35, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
hmmm...i still haven't figured out the answer to the question i has in mind - whether i can use Image:Al aqsa moschee 2.jpg (GFDL licensed on Commons) in the Al Aqsa mosque article, there does exist a CC alternative - Image:Al_Aksa_Mosque,_Mount_of_Olives.jpg.  — Doldrums(talk) 07:59, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Oh, yes you could use it. We can use a lot of variations in image licenses, we just can't use GFDL text in the article. Anything on Commons we can use (unless it has a speedy delete template on it, then it ight not be okay) Bawolff 08:02, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thanks, will do. (note to self: ask the right question to get the right answer.)  — Doldrums(talk) 08:15, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


If you look at the history of these pages i didnt actually add the licenses as i admit they confuse the hell out of me but Doldrums added the licensing info for me. I don't add licensing ifo because im never sure which it is so i leave it to others such as Doldrums. Any chance of a simple guide to which one to use. Also please feel free to change the licensing to the right one as i have no idea about them.

Thanks--Markie 10:43, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


No need. I should be thanking you for spuring me to figure out how that worked. Thanks--Elatanatari 02:18, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

By the way, if you want a better edit counter, try (gives you a bit extra info, for example here's mine) (slightly outdated (about a month) for the english wikipedia, everything else is about a day and a half behind). Bawolff 03:21, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: Missourced images

Image:Hospitality Club - Brussels 2004 meeting.JPG and Image:Hospitality Club - Monnai camp 2005.jpg were both taken from [20] (which unfortunately is now answering 403) along with the licence text that I put under the photos. The authors (which I both know personally) have given their consent that the photos be used in the context of a news story but retain copyrights. From there on you know the policies better than I and it's up to you whether you keep or delete them. -- 04:48, 11 February 2007 (UTC) (w:User:Valmi)

Thankyou for responding. Bawolff 04:59, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

images, images

are the images here and here fair game? the copyright statement is a restricted one.  — Doldrums(talk) 11:43, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

found (and used) from here instead: [21].  — Doldrums(talk) 12:30, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
They're (all of them) are probably okay as fair use - publicity (but free-er images are preferred if available). Try clicking on the validate xhtml link at the bottom of the first site you linked. Bawolff 04:50, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry about that, wrong pic.--Elatanatari 19:27, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

renaming ok?

is this way out of line:

original headline aws considered pov.  — Doldrums(talk) 06:07, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Umm, if its in quote marks I think it'd be okay. I'm not really sure though. Bawolff 06:09, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


cool idea! second no-brainer we shld've thought of long back. (but then they're all no-brainers in retrospect :). why does the globe appear lopsided though? is this more insiduous anglo-american pov at work? :P If recreating this on another image is not too difficult, then we could do it with a larger image and a plain map/globe instead of the wikinews one. — Doldrums(talk) 06:40, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Its fairly easy to do. see for an easy way to make them. Bawolff 06:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


Wow Bawolff... your talk page is getting quite long. Mabie it is time to archive? FellowWikiNews (W) (sign here!) 00:48, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I was actually thinking about doing that. (Its going to happen soon). Bawolff 00:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

re: interwiki templates

interwiki templates

its great that your trying to improve stuff, but could you say on the talk pages what exactly they do? Bawolff 05:34, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

note I read the page on 'pedia, and I am still very confused as to what they do. Bawolff 05:38, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry didn't see this. Try W:Wikipedia:WikiProject template sharing and if that (draft status--will move to Meta when finished) doesn't ease your pain, drop me an email. (Fabartus --at-- comcast dot net) Gotta run! I was going to bed over an hour ago. Ha! //FrankB 06:07, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
ok. My main concern was that some of these seemed useless, but I was lumping it together with some other very useless stuff. Now I see this is separate, and quite probably useful [or at the very least they are not hurting anyone], so anyways, carry on. Also don't forget that if any of these templates were edited by people other then yourself, that you need to have correct copyright permissions. Bawolff 22:54, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Stupid bots

Well, the page you showed me was only created once along with User talk:FellowWikiNews/Guestbook/w/index.php?title=User:FellowWikiNews/Guestbook/w/index.php and User talk:FellowWikiNews/w/index.php?title=User:FellowWikiNews/w/index.php. The ips that are creating these pages are probably bots. So, yes... In this case I would add them to protected deletions. FellowWikiNews (W) (sign here!) 23:27, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually I don't think its bots. Why would someone make a bot to do that. Maybe a broken browser or something like that. Bawolff 23:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
see: [22] FellowWikiNews (W) (sign here!) 23:47, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Protected Deletions: Cascading Option

Wonderful idea! This'll certainly help our procedures, and prevent further vandalisim. --Thunderhead - (talk) 00:34, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

yeah I stole it from 'pedia. Bawolff 01:03, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Eh. Credit where credit is due. Good job taking that idea ;) --Thunderhead - (talk) 04:02, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. One thing I didn't manage to steal though is how they make their warning in wikipedia, the warning one you try to edit a page is much better then ours for cascading protected deletion. Bawolff 04:05, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
It's a MediaWiki notice. See here to edit it. Wikipedia's should be here. --Thunderhead - (talk) 19:09, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
oh, I see, they use phaser functions to figure out why its protected. I was wondering how they did it without doing it for all cascaded protections. Bawolff 03:09, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Front page tweak

I'm very glad you think Wikinews' best deserves a front-line link. However, I noticed the "help" link on the front page now flows onto a second line on 1024x786. Might I suggest changing the text "Help with Breaking News" to "Report Breaking News"? This appears to fix the problem in both IE and Firefox. GreenReaper 06:00, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry. I'm using 1280x1024. Bawolff 06:07, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
So am I! I just got used to trying things out 1024 as well, because I know a lot of users are still stuck on it, and they complain at me if it doesn't work. ;-) WikiFur's top 5 are 1024x768 (47.32%), 1280x1024 (19.68%), 1280x800 (8.33%), 800x600 (6.53%) and 1152x864 (4.59%) - I'm guessing it's at least roughly the same for here). GreenReaper 06:11, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


I have replied to your question on my talk page here. Thanks for getting in touch. --Nzgabriel | Talk 08:12, 18 February 2007 (UTC)



Thanks for the heads up! I'll register an account when I get a chance to. 02:24, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

your welcome. By the way, if you're interested in css, and you're using firefox or opera you can also check out are alternative style sheets. (view→page style→selection). Theres also some other options in special:preferences for registered users. Bawolff 23:37, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Arizona Mortgage

I actually was not finished with the "Arizona Mortgages" article and was trying to unsubmit it. I had accidentally clicked to submit. Is there a way I could continue to edit it and then finally submit it later? --Diovi

[responded on your talk]. Bawolff 03:40, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Images discussion

Where is the discussion taking place?--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 17:01, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Be specific, which image. Bawolff 23:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

tigger image ( Image:Tigger looses stripes.jpg )

The source is nbc. Even though there is no alternative, I don't think we're allowed to use it as it comes from a competing news source. Bawolff 01:52, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, I could source it to the raw, unedited clip on YouTube. It was originally reported by a Fox affiliate, and most papers haven't credited it to anybody. It was also used as police evidence in the case. -- Zanimum 18:40, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I geuss that's okay. Bawolff 23:47, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Soccer Portal

Hi there, I am interested in being the maintainer for the soccer portal here on Wikinews. I would be able to update it at least three times a week with current info on games around the world. Please get back to me, i would be glad to help out Wikinews in any way i could.
Dark Squall 19:59, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi there, i have a query pretaining to the portal. Every time i create the "Todays Matches" pages, must i cite the sources? all my sources are the same, so is there a way i cant just leave them out of the individual files, and have some sort of generalized source thing somewhere? thank youDark Squall 17:34, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Umm, I don't think so as its really just common information. Perhaps you should ask on the water cooler. Bawolff 22:57, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey there mate, i was just wondering about editing other things on the portal, such as the top news story. I tried looking in editing, but it only says "News lead" or something in those funky brackets {}. I'd just like to change the story to something more recent than Germany and Cyprus tying...Thanks :)Dark Squall 19:42, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

{{foo}} means to include stuff from other pages. So to edit the lead, edit Template:Football main leads. Bawolff 00:43, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


thanks for the hello, I added comments to two Jehovah's WItnesses blood transfusion articles talk pages. George m 23:03, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, I will keep an eye out for any new JW articles and try to give input on our view(s) thanks. George m 23:12, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Glad to hear that. Bawolff 23:13, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Prodi's reisgnation

I answered you on Talk:Italy: President Napolitano dismisses Prodi's resignation. --Panairjdde 23:26, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Please review

If you have time: Talk:In_depth:_XM_and_Sirius_merger. I can't figure out how to get this story off the Newsroom.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 20:46, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

spot of OR

care for a spot of OR on this?  — Doldrums(talk) 14:39, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Well it all seem pretty well sourced to me. Theres a link after pretty much every statement. Bawolff 00:21, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
there're some interviews to be done.  — Doldrums(talk) 05:14, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Quickest Protection Yet

Wow ... you got Template:Office within the minuite. Nice work on RC :) --Thunderhead - (talk) 04:58, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Just happened to hit refresh at the right time. Bawolff 04:59, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Or did I just happen to hit save at just the right time? --Thunderhead - (talk) 05:03, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Ooooh.... pretty buttons....

Thank you
Thank you for your comment on my recent RfA! My RfA passed with a final tally of 12/0/1, and Cspurrier promoted me tonight. It feels great to have support from my fellow Wikinewsies. Thanks again for your support, and feel free to come to me if you need anything. Thanks! --Thunderhead - (talk) 23:43, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
you deserved it. Bawolff 23:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


After the mild debate on ALERT, I have been bold and proposed this could you please have a look over, and sign if you agree Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 10:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

NZ crown

Ok cheers for that - thanks.--MarkieTalk 13:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Contents Bar

Hey there, im wondering if there is a way to make a page so a contents bar will not be created. thank you—Dark Squall 00:45, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Not a 100% sure what you mean by contents bar, but if you mean table of contents, try writing __NOTOC__ anywhere on the page (traditionally near the bottom with the categories). See m:Help:Magic Words#Magic_words_between_double_underscores for more information. Bawolff 01:01, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for not explaining it properly, my fault. You got it correct here, the notoc worked, thanks alot mate. If you would like to see what im working in, check out the soccer portal and look at the links directly below the banner (click the blue one obviously :P)—Dark Squall 01:23, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Glad i could help. Bawolff 01:33, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Alan Johnston picture...

Could you please wait on the deletion of the image of Alan Johnston. I am going to contact the BBC, through I will be absent from Thursday evening until Monday, so could you please wait until then?


Booksworm 06:31, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Little too late now, but if you can successfully get permission, I will make sure it gets restored. Bawolff 00:15, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

About Wikinews

Hi Bawolff -- I saw your comment on my blog. My first reaction was to respond in hope of eliciting information about how to "manage" those folks. However, it took me only a few brief moments to realize that the Wikinews community is not well known to other groups contributing to Wikimedia projects. (Well, okay: not well known to people in en.wikipedia like yours truly.) Any thought about writing something to introduce Wikinews to the rest of us? I know the folks behind the Signpost are always looking for material. -- en:llywrch 17:33, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

that is a idea, put a report in the signpost Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 19:01, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I would certainly be willing to assist in such an effort, however I think for something like that should be made by the community as a whole. Bawolff 00:11, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

RE: Alledgedly...

Glad you liked it. I actually set that up as a varient to use on April 1st. You see, I'm going to replace the Mediawiki default version of the Main Page, so when users visit, they'll be redirected to the Alleged Main Page. This'll maintain all the vital information, while adding a ... twist. :)  Thunderhead  ►  00:57, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Basketball issues template

You rock. Any chance I could you to create a baseball template in the same manner? :)-- Theirishpianist 01:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

sorry, I sort of have to go right now, and unfortunately I'll be away for the next couple of days, but one I get back sure. (assuming nobody's beat me too it). Bawolff 01:56, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Dynamic content

When you have some time can you look into why the dynamic content on the front page is all showing expanded. I don't know if that is a css or javascript problem, or a combination of the two. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:12, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Looking. last time this happened it was a js problem. Seeing as alt stylesheets, and rss link also stopped, probably js. Bawolff 22:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Fixed there was a missing /* when the comment tab code was inserted. you will need to do a hard refresh. (ctrl+r in Firefox). Bawolff 22:55, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

comment tab on talk:main page

I had to delete Talk:Main Page/Comments. Could you please remove it from talk:main page? Thanks. FellowWikiNews (W) (sign here!) 02:18, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually just (hopefully) did that. Bawolff 02:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thanks. FellowWikiNews (W) (sign here!) 02:21, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


Hi, on the header of the "Add a new opinion" pages, there should not be an apostrophe in the "use it's normal talk page" text. I haven't a clue what or where that template is so can't fix it myself! Dan100 (Talk) 22:14, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. I always seem to mix those up. the template is at Wikinews:Commentary pages on news events/intro. You can tell by the &editintro=Wikinews:Commentary_pages_on_news_events/intro in the url. Bawolff 22:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Cat:Social sciences...

...was deleted some time ago... Would you be able to think of a better name for this category? Note that we already have Category:Society.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 19:44, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I can't think of any. Bawolff 22:23, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikinews:Commentary pages on news events

I am trying to leave comments on many articles, just to try and see if the system works, and try and encourage other users to use them ;) Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 23:03, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Quebec veils story

Your spiderman comment inspired me to create something: Image:Spiderman joke.jpg. Enjoy :) FellowWikiNews (W) (sign here!) 00:24, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you that's great. Bawolff 00:06, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! FellowWikiNews (W) (sign here!) 00:26, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

help please.

Hope the move works better this time, but can you check tis one to be on the safe side?

UK sources say British sailors detained by Iran to be tried for "espionage"/Comment

maybe no need as the page was epmpty? international 19:35, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

You only need to do it if the page exists. If it doesn't exist, don't worry about moving it. Perhaps we should get a bot for this. Its going to cause lots of confussion. Bawolff 00:03, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

RE Deletion

Its a talk page with no article to go with it.?.?.? DragonFire1024 05:38, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually it does, sort of. See Wikinews:Commentary pages on news events. Javascript isn't anywhere near perfect yet, so it just appears that it doesn't have an article. Bawolff 06:49, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Yeah I noticed that when the actual talk page was created. Just so used to non existent talk pages referring to a web page which turn out to be spam. DragonFire1024 08:06, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok. Bawolff 08:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


nice, ok im working on it, but how do we set it so that the middle column always centers the infoboxes? the infoboxes are aligned to the right side of the middle column, not the center hehe (:O) Nima Baghaei 16:36, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think you can (eaily), as the infobox is coded to float to the left. Good work with the infoboxes Bawolff 21:43, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

comment tabs

Hey Bawolff. Could you make the comment tabs red when they have no comments and blue when they do have comments? Or could you put "Add opinion" when they have no comments and "View opinions" when they do have comments? I think it would make more sense to do this. FellowWikiNewsie (sign here!) 23:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes it would. Unfourtanatly that is way beyond my js skills. It might be possible by adding a #ifexist to the publish template, but I don't know if that's a good idea (well actually it might be okay. unsure). It also could be done by making javascript that tries to access the comment page to see if it exists, but that also is not a good idea, because it effectively doubles the number of hits (Really bad idea, and also beyond my skill level). I think first thing I should figure out how to do is to make the comment/article tab link back to the proper place when pressing article/discussion. Bawolff 00:03, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


Does that belong in the Sitenotice? I figured it was important enough that the community should know. Cheers,  Thunderhead  ►  00:42, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Ugh, badness. (I think its well intentioned, but not good for wikinews (Good for other projects), and contradictory to our current image policy) Its good for pretty much every other project) Yes probably it should be there. That's going to be a big job. (somewhere between about 2000 images (out of 2500) (on a stricter reading) to every image improperly tagged, and everything tagged with {{pgol}} {{gol image}} {{non-com}} {{cc-by-nd-2.5}} {{Cc-by-nc-sa-2.0}} {{Cc-by-nd-2.0}} on a more interpitave reading of that policy. Bawolff 01:32, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Wow, 2500 images... then removing them from articles ... uuuughhhh...  Thunderhead  ►  01:35, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
no, just 2000 i think. theres a good 500 okay ones. We should wait before deleting anything but really obvious, images, just to make sure i read it right. Bawolff 01:38, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Still, it's gonna be a huge job. I haven't really studied the new policy, I just saw "New image policy" on the Foundation's site, and I jumped on it.  Thunderhead  ►  01:41, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes. Well at least we have a year, so we can hopefully fix most of them. It might be much less if we don't need to create individual arguments for their use. Bawolff 02:26, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

My Images

I am against the new policy. My images were uploaded before it took affect therefore should not be affected. As the copyright holder, I have the right to choose what license I want to use and I was given the choice to use that particular license. If they did not want images with that license, then they should not have given me the option to do so. I have already stated that if a liscense like the current one is not available, I will delete my images before they need to be. Many of my images are 100% exclusive to Wikinews and not anywhere else. If they are not on here then I don't want them anywhere including commons. I refuse to have my images, if not required to be on commons.

I also believe that this is why this policy was enacted, without the community's approval as such policies are supposed to be and because commons is jealous that some content is not on their Wiki. Tough luck, maybe if they changed their attitude I may reconsider.

As to this image, here is what the articles author said: [23]. I was not sure what license to use as she said its not copyrighted. DragonFire1024 00:31, 29 March 2007 (UTC)::I agree with you (about not applying to retroactive images, and you having a choice as to how to license them, which is entirely your own, However commons being jealous is unlikely in my opinion. I think the push came from the english wikipedia, and general free media advocates in wikimedia [many of whom are commoners] It doesn't help commons any). As far as the image in question goes, sorry I forgot to check the talk page, my fault. Bawolff 03:48, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

No probably should be on commons, but at the time I had no time and just did it quickly.

Thanks for agreeing with me in that matter. Im sorry it's just that this is where I want MY content to be. I could go as far as saying: Maybe Indymedia might like it better? DragonFire1024 03:50, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

ok. Bawolff 04:13, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I understood what you meant...all my images were uploaded before this even came into effect. DragonFire1024 04:20, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


Not really sure, they are uploaded locally on 'pedia and some/one of them are screen shots of wikipeida therefore not fair use (as it is now - can't understand the new jargon) so uploaded them locally here. If you think that they can go on commons then i will move them - it's just ive only ever uploaded one or two pics to commons and i think they've both been deleted. --MarkTalk 08:48, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

oh yeah, forgot about that image. still you say they're ok here. i presume thats until this new policy is introduced yeah?--MarkTalk 15:35, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
No, the new policy has nothing to do with what we are talking about and won't affect it. (however are old policy does, but no one follows that anyways). Bawolff 19:37, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Right so it doesnt come under the "EDP" whatever that is then? SO i could move these to commons and try my luck with them (see how fast they can delete them).--MarkTalk 19:43, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
No, EDP is just a fancy word for policy for stuff to do with fair use in USA, fair dealing in coomonwealth nations. I'll watch the images there to make sure they arn't deleted. Also make sure you add them to a category (you'd have to make a new one) such as Wikimedia ads. For pd ones use tag {{pd-user-w|en|w|Qxz}} for screenshot can't remember exact tag but put
GPL This work is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or any later version.
This work is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but without any warranty; without even the implied warranty of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose. See version 2 and version 3 of the GNU General Public License for more details. You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin St, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA 02110-1301 USA
on it.</nowiki> Bawolff  19:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Right thanks for this - lets see how it goes!--MarkTalk 20:22, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Right there uploaded and have been for over 5 mins (success) - dont think there tagged correctly but my commons knowledge is not too good. If you have a spare moment could you check them please. Contribs are here. Cheers --MarkTalk 20:35, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
I fixed the tags. they should be good. They are all on my watchlist, so if anything happens I should know. Bawolff 22:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


Hi! Andrevan 07:53, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

hello. Bawolff 07:54, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

About Italian Wikipedia separates from Wikimedia Foundation

I can confirm it was a joke: I wrote about it in Wikinews irc-chan, adding that I would have asked to someone to write a joke similar to La Wikipedia in lingua italiana decide di forkare. ^_^ Ciao! --Tooby 16:00, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

ok. Bawolff 22:53, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

re: issue you noticed with comments

Speaking from my experience, it seems that anonymous IP users are not presented with the new 'view opinions' tab, so therefore cannot participate unless they have a user account. However, it is possible to post anonymously, i.e. here and other 'view opinion' pages. I would think that unlogged users would be able to see the comment pages.

What we have with the 'discussion' tab is red text if no content exists in the tab. That is not the case with the 'view opinions' tab, it is blue by default (so checking it may lead to a page that has no content, which is a waste of time). Also, once loading the page 'view opinions' the 'article' tab appears in red text. If you click the red text 'article' tab, it loads a page with no content.

This what I meant when saying earlier that, "The click stream is wrong." My browser is MSN v.9.

I am encouraged by the little bit of use the interface is getting. Best regards -Edbrown05 00:34, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh I thought you meant something else. Not sure what you're talking about with anons, they should have the same tabs we do. Bawolff 01:45, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


I've been having a hack at the dynamic sections javascript. Mainly because I'd like to fix an annoying feature of having the topical section boxes on the main page.

Essentially I want to duplicate the ability to show/hide a section, but if you show one section any other open ones are collapsed.

If you can suggest any tools to debug javascript with (Windows based) then I'll have another crack at it. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:16, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I just got back, so I have a lot to look at at the moment, but I'll try to have a peak at that soon (peek might not be very sucessful though, as I'm quite new to javascript). As for debug tools, I've never used it, but firebug is supposed to be good (requires firefox). Bawolff 19:20, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I've got Firebug now, but I think to do this myself I'd need to go learn Javascript. My level with it at the moment is I can read and understand some but not all. However, I've been pestering lots of people for this feature. :-) --Brian McNeil / talk 19:25, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikinews Video Edition

Hey Bawolff,

I saw you commented on he idea of having wikinews video. I have created a really good opener (the audio is from sky news UK/Australia)

I spent heaps of time on the graphics so, drop me a line on my talk page and tell me what you think.

The video is located at


--Symode09 07:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

One last question, with the graphics (ticker clock etc), would you like them with corners and square (more traditional) or curved and round (my preference but, some people don't like these types of graphics)?

--Symode09 09:09, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Just watched. Looks nice. I'm unsure about the graphics (round vs square) thing though. Can you shome an example? Bawolff 19:39, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Video Wikinews

Hey Bawloff,

I see you are interested in the video wikinews. You might want to "enlist" with us.

thanx :P

Symode09 14:09, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


I see that you've granted AWB requests in the past. I'd like to ask you to begin watching this page, which is where new AWB requests should go. Thanks!  Thunderhead  ►  20:12, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Watching, but I never use my watchlist on this project. Bawolff 21:56, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Template: 2007 Stanley Cup Playoffs

That's great. Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks. --wjmoore 01:39, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Your welcome, glad I could help. Bawolff 02:37, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


Hi Bawolff. May I please ask for your assistance with Wikinews:Water cooler/technical#Background. I am requesting the background of Wikinews to become the standard "grey-gradient" (see [24] or [25]). Can this be fixed, as soon as possible, as at current there is no easy distinction for the eye, for where there is a background or a news article. Also, all other wiki sites use the "grey-gradient" as default, so this will add a bit of consistancy. Thanks. Stickeylabel 10:33, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


see: [26] [27] (wikinews is listed there with an update) DragonFire1024 17:53, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey Bawolff,

You might wanna see the poll (and my latest comment)

thanx--Symode09 01:40, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes I saw. I'm watching the live RC on IRC. Bawolff 01:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

zappd comments?

What happened, is the opinions/comments tab "out" again? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Edbrown05 (talkcontribs)

nope, they are still there. I do plan to remove them at the end of this month through. We I readded them; I planned it as a test. I would like to see community support (even if that means a poll) to keep them in. (and I would support keeping them, but I feel it’s good to follow procedure like this) Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 06:36, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Well the reason that I asked is because the 'view opinions' tab on the Jimbo Wales to lead development of 'code of conduct' for bloggers at one time did contain content. Now it is empty. How could that be possible? -Edbrown05 06:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Because, who ever moved that article, did not move the comments page as well. (see Talk:Jimbo Wales to create 'code of conduct' for bloggers and the Wikimedia Foundation/Comments Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 06:46, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Fixed Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 06:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
No, it is not "fixed" (what a monster that coding must be). -Edbrown05 06:52, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes, its fixed. It is not a coding issue. Eloquence moved the article. However he did not move the Comment's page at the same time. Despite the clear instructions, to move Comments pages as well. Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 06:57, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
I can certainly forgive Eoquence of that. I did not know you had to manually move the 'Comments' page (now I do, thanks). You do not have to manually move the 'Talk' page, it happens by default when you 'Rename' an article.
You make mention of procedure. I understand there is some disagreement or even controvery surrounding the 'add opinion' tab. How would that issue be settled? -Edbrown05 07:04, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, that is one fault we having Comments in JS. (After a page move, there is a part saying that if this link is blue, you need no move that page as well, however)
I am suggesting we have a poll at the end of this month. Along the lines of "Do you support the continuation of the Comments” etc Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 07:15, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Couldn't we submit a request to bugzilla to have a new namespace created as a sub of the main, so that it would be automatically moved?  Thunderhead  ►  07:27, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
I support the idea of having comments, and as Thunderhead says it should be a namespace that is linked to Main. You should be able to have a link to the page, [[Comment:PAGENAME|Comment or leave your opinion on this story]], and no need to worry about page moves there either. --Brian McNeil / talk 07:34, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
I too think the new ns would be a good idea. Bawolff 16:59, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Video content

See here, can we have the Java player like commons does? --Brian McNeil / talk 12:33, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

After testing it, apperently not. I'm sure if you asked commons:User:Gmaxwell he'd be able to make it so you could. why do we need the java player locally anyways? Bawolff 16:57, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Spelling Conventions

Hi, I have a question regarding spelling conventions. What is standard practice in choosing between AMerican style and English style English. I'm looking atHorse_racing:_Silver_Birch_wins_the_2007_Grand_National. specifically the word "favourite" would it be appropiate for me to change it to "favorite" or keep it how it is? Thanks? Ycanneh 21:21, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Umm i think it was we use the variant of whoever started the article. So if it started with British English, we do the article as British en, if it started as en-us, we keep it at that. see WN:SG#Spelling for more details. Bawolff 21:29, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. Ycanneh 21:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: heads up

If you mean Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Planet osiris, I already had my say there.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 22:55, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: No to NHL on Front Page

Who were you addressing about the soccer/football tournament? The user with the IP address or me? Or were you just bringing it to my attention? I did see the comment on the main talk page. I don't think that there are any big soccer tournaments going on now anyway... . --wjmoore 02:53, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

The ip. Bawolff 03:12, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

bold edit

yeah, I thought @import had something to do with it. but i changed my and and removed it, as I knew it would be opposed :) Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 03:08, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, i wish i was bold when it was first created and added it, now thier are too many people who I know dislike it to justify adding it (in my mind at least). Bawolff 03:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Yep, agreed. What ever happens, I'll be sticking to using it. As not only (imo) is it nice, it is easier to read as well. Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 03:21, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


Try user:Ycanneh/monobook.js (as oposed to user talk:). By the way the stuff in mine does didly squat, and is really not that useful if you're wondering. The top half only allows you to open one show/hide dynamic box in a page at a time. the bottom half is me experimenting with the comment tab, and is supposed to be commented out, since its now in the sitewide js, but isn't because i'm lazy. Bawolff 21:52, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Ya, thanks. I'll probally just go w/out it anyway. Over on WIkipedia I use some stuff, but changes dont seem to go too fast here anyway to the point that I would need any shortcuts or anything. Ycanneh 17:45, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


Excellent! just what we were after! Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 21:11, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

btw, I'm off for a week, hoilday ;) Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 21:11, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm doing too many js things. which one are you refering to? Bawolff 21:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
onebox Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 21:20, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Good, glad i can help. Bawolff 21:21, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


What does it do? FellowWikiNewsie 00:14, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

responded on your talk. Bawolff 00:46, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
that is cool as well. I can foresee that having benefits, perhaps on a mainpage redesign. Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 01:32, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I plan on making it much cooler (perhaps to the point of a bad imitation of ) Bawolff 01:34, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
It still doesn't work. FellowWikiNewsie 18:17, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I did do a hard refresh. I'm using the Datrio+MrM skin. FellowWikiNewsie 19:33, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
It apparently has problems in IE. (I have no idea why, but I plan to look into it when i get a chance). If you're not using MSIE, i have no idea why it isn't working. Bawolff 23:30, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Supposed vandalism


Your recent contributions constitute vandalism and have been reverted. Should you believe that your contributions are *not* vandalism, please argue your case on your talk page, or in WN:ALERT.

Further vandalism will result in a 24 hour ban. Please contribute to Wikinews in a constructive fashion instead. Bawolff 04:12, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

What of my editting do you consider vandalism? Is it this?:
That information is true if you look it up, you will see this. I don't edit Wikinews that often. I am on Wikipedia more often. --Kalmia 03:32, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I made a mistake. Bawolff 23:28, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

EDP image list

Yeah feel free to edit these pages - wasnt planning on doining everything for myself.--MarkTalk 10:41, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay. Bawolff 17:19, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Virgina tech

Hey Bawolff! Can you please help me!!! Would you be able to find out who I should contact at Virginia tech in regards to media interviews/ questions. My internet asdl is screwed up (danm lighning surge) and I just got my PC back from getting vista installed - now things are 20 X slower.

thanks PS. I'll tell you a story! There once was a wikinews user who never archived his page. It is you!!! —Symode09 13:42, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry i have absolutly no idea where to find that. By the way, see my real talk page Bawolff 07:46, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
p.s., trust the penguin...

Thanks for the Welcome

Bawolff, thanks for the welcome on my Talk page. Yeah, I'm using the Datrio CSS skin so far and I think it's great. Maybe it's my personal preference, but it looks phenomenal... lovin' the layout so far.ContemplativeInAction 23:45, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

That's good (now if only I could convince the rest of the site to make it default...). By the way i belive you're using Datrio+MrM, not plain Datrio (couple differences, mostly with background). Bawolff 02:53, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


Hey, just a small favor. Could you unprotect the categories at User:Zachary/Sandbox so I can update them with the CalendarBot? Thanks, —Zachary talk 02:42, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Is semi-protection okay? Bawolff 02:54, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Australian Princess gives birth to daughter

Regarding your comment on Talk:Australian Princess gives birth to daughter.:

This was an article that I found in the disputed section of the Newsroom. Meanwhile, I had put together a piece on this same subject in Wikinews Shorts: April 23, 2007. So, I first created a redirect to the shorts, but since the disputed article had never been published, I thought it ought to be deleted. Maybe the steps I took were not proper, but they were with the best of intentions. --SVTCobra 03:16, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Don't worry, those are totally the correct steps. I'm just not really sure the need of deleting the redirect. We generally keep redirects unless there is a really good reason not to (aka stuff on wheels). Bawolff 22:02, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

you are right

Hi you posted on my page that person really wasn't being serious I dont think.


I'd recomend you just ignore him. Happy editing. Bawolff 23:33, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice.

Emmi 23:43, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

r u bored?

Shilpa Sheedy category? are you serious? --SVTCobra 02:11, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Well... We have categories for people with less articles. Bawolff 02:12, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
You didn't answer the question? And it's "fewer articles." Sniff, sniff do I detect alcohol on your breath? --SVTCobra 02:16, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I'll go with bored. But i'd like to point out Category:Ed Stelmach with a whopping 2 articles. Bawolff 02:20, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
You gotta talk to your fellow Canadians about that. --SVTCobra 02:23, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
But we may have more articles about Stelmach in the future. FellowWikiNewsie 02:25, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
You've stirred the pot, Bawolff.--SVTCobra 02:27, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Well he could always really screw up, and the Marxist-lenist party could steal the next election (maybe with a merger from the albertan greens!) Bawolff Smile.png 02:31, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Ah ha! I said something so stupid, that nobody had a response to it! Bawolff 02:38, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, it's okay if you delete it, but if we get more articles about him I think we would have to re-create it again. Also, Category:Justin Trudeau only has one article! Mabie we should consider deleting that too! FellowWikiNewsie 02:33, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
oh no, i like categories (plus Justin Trudeau is definitly going to have more articles, if he screws up or not). I'm just trying to justify my creation of a category with only 4 articles. Bawolff 02:35, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Okay. FellowWikiNewsie 02:39, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

need image help

I did what I supposed should be called a reproduction of RHakeem's Image:Nwfpmap.png map and uploaded it to Commons as Image:NWFP and FATA.jpg.

Here are the troubles:

  1. the image is in the .jpg format, rather than .png
  2. the 'full resolution' size of the file is a whopping 1.96MB file

I don't know how to fix either of these issues. Frankly, even if I could figure it out, I would rather not, since I've had it up to my chin in dealing with the map to get it where it is now! Can you make changes you see fit, even its Commons category, to get it consistent with standard usage? -Edbrown05 23:53, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I'll try (I've personally haven't done much of actual converting images, but i think I know the basic idea). However I'm a little busy right now, so i hope its okay if I start on it tommorow? Bawolff 03:05, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for any help. I'm hoping to soon wrap up the interview where this map is placed. -Edbrown05 17:32, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Ed: I have converted the map to .png and sent it to your email, it is a large size, so if your IP rejects it based on size, pls let me know where to upload it to Wiki. --RHakeem 19:39, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

By the way, you (RHakeem) should send an email to so that we have a record of your permission for us to use your image (commons is a bit strict on that). Bawolff 22:29, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Okay, my first attempt didn't work that well — Image:Map showing NWFP and FATA.png. Trying again soon. Bawolff 23:31, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I did get the emailed attachment from RHakeem in the .png file format. The file size of the image in that attachment was around 5MB! Okay, now that I have the proper file extention, how does one make the resolution render to about 1300px X 1200px or whatever? -Edbrown05 06:57, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Good. Upload over top of commons:image:Map showing NWFP and FATA.png, and mediawiki will automatically take care of the resizing. Bawolff 01:32, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Original work

Re: Image:Delta before after.png – The original work was the taking of the actual screenshot (it does not include the entire window, but only the relevant parts of the Web site) as well as finding and laying out the logos along with the sites below. It is an illustration, and that is the original work that took place. Though these images are effectively copyrighted and used under fair use, their arrangement and display is my original work, and I'd like to be credited for it if someone decides to copy the image wholesale. --Omaryak 05:25, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Well okayWell maybe okay, i'm not sure if thats valid considering they're fair use. (never been really good at figuring out this whole copyright thing). Bawolff 05:27, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you




Notice of Appreciation

Thank you for creating this neat thank you card! :P —Zachary talk 01:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. It was mostly me trying to turn a useless thing, into something semi-useful. Bawolff 02:06, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Bawolff, you need to check the spelling of "appreciation"! Cheers, Jcart1534 02:19, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
lol. I even have a spell checker in browser. Bawolff 03:56, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
No sweat! Looks good now. Nice job on the award! Jcart1534 10:27, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

reply to vote

Hey mate, just wanted to say, the only reason I applied while being so new is because it said work on other wikimedia projects counts, and I've done a good bit at wikipedia. But hey, its cool. The people I want to cover/get to are medium level people, most field grade officers in the military, and to be allowed to cover local brigade events, which always requires accreditation. (not quite Steven Harper, but also not the local kwikemart owner) anyways, just wanted to explain why such a newbi was requesting it, and thanks for showing an intrest in supporting me later on if I am not successful this time around.

Well that is true, but you generally have to have a lot of other project stuff to be able to get accredited by that. Its just that in general, people who request it when they are so new (not always, but often) stay for about 2 weeks, get bored, and then leave. However If you keep going in the direction you're going, I'll definitly support you in the future. Bawolff 04:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: interesting citizen journalism article

Why did you think it was interesting?--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 10:52, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I just find different view points intresting. However it would have been much more intresting if they talked about wikinews. Also I kind of wanted to spred the message around, as no one read wikinews-l (although the message I posted kind of lost the meaning of the mailing list post). Bawolff 10:59, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


I am a student however - that was a simple example but, I have made an agreement in the past with them :)

Symode09 11:12, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, your agreement was to give them all your money in exchange for a mediocre operating system and office suite. —Zachary talk 11:23, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Lol. Bawolff 21:57, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


Hey! can you go on the IRC asap, i just want to talk to you before I go thanx Symode09 14:54, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I missed you. I'm on irc right now. Bawolff 22:23, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

how can this piece of code become more specialized?

{{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|{{ns:14}}||''' [[:Category:{{PAGENAME}}|View all]] '''articles about this person.}}

Meaning, can it be made into a robot that crawls through Wikinews, grabs 'regions' and 'people' links and assigns them to the appropriate category/portal pages? -Edbrown05 08:29, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Umm, I'm not really sure what you mean, but probably no. it can only make templates that do certain things based on arguments or variables. See meta:ParserFunctions for more on them. Bawolff 22:03, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


DragonFire1024 had an image that was deleted on Commons; from a project funded by NASA, but with a NC clause in the license on the site. I wasn't going to wait six weeks for Commons to adapt their {{NASA}} template and accept the image.

This is an example of why people here don't like working with Commons. They left one of our articles with a redlink, the one about the supernova - and that visually relied on the picture for impact.

I'm sick of them believing - and operating - on the principle of better to delete than contact the (newbie - about to be put off using Commons) uploader for further information. That behaviour was supposed to have stopped. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:27, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I also added a CC SA 2.5, GFDL combo to relicense my EDP request images. It took a while, but I do not trust them on commons as far as I can throw them. DragonFire1024 08:31, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Um NC license clauses would be deleted both here and commons (for here, courtsey of the foundation resolution). We delete copyvio articles, why wouldn't they delete copyvio images. Commons has not non-legentmently deleted an image that was used here in a good year. Bawolff 23:02, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Participatory journalism on mailing list


Actually she asked to wait until the assignment is over, then she will post it on a user subpage. So I've removed the link in your comment, hope that's ok.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 14:34, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

oh ok. Bawolff 22:55, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Alan J

The image i uploaded was (i think) from a news article but the image is also used (in a modified form) on the BBC blog campaign where they want people to but the image on their blog (kinda publiciity i think) but i didnt use this image as its got text on it. Blog article is here. Cheers for the help.--MarkTalk 08:23, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I have emailed the BBC press office asking for an image we can use under CC or Fair use. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:36, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
I have a response from Iain MacDougall at the Picture desk, I've put the text of the email on the picture, can you work out what license text should then be on it to go with this? My inference from the email is they want people to use the image to promote the man's plight. You can also - for future reference - file pictures<at>bbc<dot>co<dot>uk away as the email address to request photo permission from the Beeb, the impression I got from my response is they'd be pretty relaxed about it - they responded quickly and treated my inquiry as being from a journalist. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:35, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Am I allowed to make articles about these topics.

w:Rajinikanth and w:Sivaji: The Boss or any other w:Tamil cinema stars? I read all the guidelines but they still don't answer my question.

I am w:User:Vagish.

~~ Vagish [wp] [wn] 14:49, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


I want to update the hotline a bit and try and revive its' use. It's a fantastic way for people to contribute without writing, or whilst out in the field. --Skenmy(tcwi) 16:15, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

responded on your talk. Bawolff 21:06, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikinews Video


I see you have previously shown some interest in Wikinews Video Edition and, need your help. As you may already know, the projet is is need of assistance - we have finished all the graphics and need to start actually brainstorming ideas for the first news story. We will cover one news story and, will cover it with much depth - the story will go for 15-20 minutes. We are looking for something which is not of direct interest to the media (ie. tax increases or politics) but rather, a heartfelt or deep story. Could you please help to collaborate and brainstorm here.

thanx, USer:symode09

Wikinews:Commons categories

Hi Bawolff, I don't think this is policy handed down in any official way. User:Mac has been adding templates and stuff like this from other wikiprojects, often with dead links and such. Not sure who should look into the activities of Mac. --SVTCobra 20:39, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes I know. Thats my problem with the thing. Bawolff 22:47, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

IRC for Private Request

Can you get on IRC for a moment?  Thunderhead  ►  22:48, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I'll try, but my internet is having intermitant problems so I might not be their for too long. Bawolff 22:55, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


cheers, wasnt sure how long it should be. --MarkTalk 19:12, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Well it doesn't really matter for those ones as we know what the resualt will be, but technically, articles 3days, everything else 7. Bawolff 22:15, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: status changer

Thanks :) Currently it's not working for me so I'll have to experiment a bit later when I have some time. FellowWikiNewsie 22:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Very Very Important

I left this at the watercooler but since you are very active I wanted to tip you off so you can tell other admins. VERY IMPORTANT! Do not ban IP if he does vandalism. On Wikipedia it says it doing so will lock out every editor for a brief period of time until the developers fix whatever bug is causing the squid problems. Just giving a heads up that something is buggy with Wikipedia and be careful.

Re: you're back (a little bit anyway)

Actually, I probably could have stayed away. However, I got bored in French class, so I decided to visit Wikinews, and for the hell of it, I logged back in and made an edit. MR 19:22, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: wikipedia ads

From commons:User talk:Golbez

You recently deleted the wikipedia ads saying: creator/original uploader req; belongs on enwiki, not commons. Well they are free content, and we're using them on the english wikinews (not all of them all enwiki specific), why shouldn't they be at commons. Bawolff 03:42, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi. While I don't have any problem with you using the ads on projects other than Wikipedia, can we try to organize things a little better? As uploader of the images I would have appreciated being notified that they were about to be deleted from Wikipedia, but I was not. When I found that files had been moved without regard for this, or preservation of the description page, and with no apparent reason for the move, I asked for them to be moved back.
If you wish to move them back to Commons, you are welcome to do so, but please do not delete the local description pages, please do not use the wrong license tag and please link to w:Template:Qxz-ads on the Commons description page. You may also find it useful to copy the contents of that template and modify it as appropriate (I'm aware that Wikinews uses a different license, however barring trivial modifications I'm the author of the template and I'm not bothered what you do with it.) The ad project was originally a personal project in my userspace, I only uploaded the images for my own use and moved it out of userspace because I no longer had time to fulfil requests. It took a lot of time to create the images and while I can't impose any license restrictions on them I can ask nicely that people not misuse them within Wikimedia projects. Thanks – Gurch 20:09, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Thankyou for responding. I'm glad you're okay with me re-uploading them. As for them being deleted, that is what the english wikipedia admins did. They deemed that it fell under the speedy deletion policy, and I have no control over that, you'll have to take it up with them. I did not request their deletion, I only noted that there was a version on commons. I believe everything was correctly tagged on commons, and linked back to the template. (however I uploaded them a while ago, so I don't 100% remember.) If that is not true, I'm sorry about that. I assure you that we are not misusing them in any way (to my knowledge). Sorry for all the confusion and happy editing. Bawolff 21:31, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


I think the category:Budapest is not problem to you, because u didn't do it. I hope I just helped to you.--Kádár Tamás 09:01, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

My problem is that there is no news for it. Portals/categories for things that are not countries need articles on them before creation. Bawolff 18:32, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

IRC cloak request

I am bawolff on freenode and I would like the cloak wikinews/Bawolff. Thanks. --Bawolff 05:55, 20 May 2007 (UTC)



Notice of Appreciation

I based this template on your card - hope you don't mind :p

Not at all. Template looks great. Bawolff 19:30, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

New page

It is hard to see a page created by you in the recent times. Can you give me any one ?. Regards.--Mac 09:14, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Define page. (article, or any page including things like templates?). However I mostly concentrate on non-writing tasks so my new page creation is lower then most people. Bawolff 19:26, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: template:abandoned

I deleted deprected beside template:abandoned. I think both ways are okay...{{subst:aband}} automatically puts the date for you, {{abandoned|May 20, 2007}} doesn't. Please see my edits. FellowWikiNewsie 19:54, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, that sounds good. Bawolff 19:56, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I repeat

Main page. Main page. It's only the main page I want to redesign. MR 13:30, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Thats what they all saySmile.png. Bawolff 20:38, 21 May 2007 (UTC)


Your wish = my command! Please see this for the brand spanking new advanced version. Cheers --MarkTalk 09:57, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Looks good (Well in lynx anyway, the rest of the world is looking at it totally differently, but I'm sure it looks great in graphical browsers too (: Bawolff 20:55, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Also now have this java version - havent finished the instructions and prettiness of it yet but also to let you know. --MarkTalk 21:05, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Expandable tables

Hello! I had a chat with brianmc and DragonFire1024 on IRC channel #wikinews-en requesting help to add the feature of expandable tables to a corporate media wiki. brianmc suggested I might ask you. I would really appreciate it. --Bensin 23:05, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Sure, I'd love to help. Can you be a bit more specific about what you mean by expandable tables? Bawolff 20:56, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome

Just a note of thanks. OK, so I know it's a varient on the standard welcome template I've stuck on dozens of Wikipedia newbie's talk pages, but I allways really apreciated those few who made the effort to work out how to say thanks (especialy considering it took me so long to work it out that the time to say thanks in was ong-gone - something I cared little about then but have come to regret). Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 22:42, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Its fun to {{subst:hello}} everywhere Smile.png. Anyways, if you ever need any help with anything (which you probably won't that much as you seem experianced), don't hesitate to ask. Also, consider using IRC, We use IRC here quite a lot. Bawolff 22:45, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Makes sense that you should use more IRC here then on the 'pedia - the 24 hours difference a time zone can make is a long time news-wise. I'll call if I need anything ;-) Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 22:49, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Ok, Happy editing. Bawolff 22:50, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


Ah! Thanks for clearing that up, I hadn't even noticed! Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 23:11, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Bawolff 23:12, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Category:Oceans, Category:Water

These look like encyclopedic cat's to me. Cat:Oceans is only used on one article, Cat:Water on two. What do you think? FellowWikiNewsie 00:24, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Its on the edge I admit, but lots of bad things can happen with Water as well as Oceans. Things like drinking water contamination, etc is news, similarly Poaching in Oceans is news, all the greenpeace protests in the oceans is news, the Jappenese whaling stuff happened in the oceans is news. Bawolff 00:26, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I agree. But mabie we could change Cat:Water to Cat:Contamination or something that doesn't sound encyclopedic? FellowWikiNewsie 00:29, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Yes cat water does sound like a horrid name to me, but you don't want anything to specific (especially considering the current pop of the cat.) Bawolff 00:37, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
But then again there is lots of water articles [28] everything from water on mars to great lake water level falling, to boil water adviseries. So the question is, is a cat with all things water useful to a news source Bawolff 00:37, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Template help needed


could you edit Template:Image lead so that if you don't list a "full_story" (leave the parameter empty), it doesn't return anything in Template:Featured picture (if you understand what I'm saying...).

--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 13:12, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Did I do what you meant? Bawolff 20:09, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

CGI:IRC javascript

Hmm dont think it can be used here - is under GFDL as shown here. Sorry --MarkTalk 21:10, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

oh well thats okay, it is not that important. Bawolff 21:55, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Can't change tag on my user picture

I didn't take the photo, so I don't own the copyright. --Munchkinguy 03:52, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

responded on your talk. Bawolff 22:03, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


I'm not sure how to go about specifying my notes. Wisekwai 05:08, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Hold on, now I think I know what you need. Will fix that up, and add a few sources as well. Wisekwai 05:20, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Basically Anything with an OR tag has to have notes describing exactly what is and what isn't OR. See WN:OR for details. Bawolff 06:35, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok That's the link thanx alot man I appreciate it. I have no idea how to add pictures that will be allowed. The 13th 4postle 00:07, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

OK, I'll look into them. I may need to ask the authors okay, so it might take a couple days. Bawolff 00:19, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
If this is about adding images to Venezuelan protests continue over closure of RCTV, I don't think we can do so to an article that has aged this much. You can find a related discussion at Talk:Pro-secular Turks rally against Erdogan's possible presidential candidacy (last topic), which was an article that also was about a protest. --SVTCobra 00:33, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
It is about restoring images deleted by commons delinker from Students protest closing of Venezuelan Channel RCTV Bawolff 00:37, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Permission request email has been sent. Bawolff 22:45, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
I've just been informed that the photographs come from a competing news source (reuters), and therefor we can't use them. Sorry. Bawolff 23:05, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

location map templates

Hi Bawolff, I noticed you are adding a bunch of location map templates. How do I use them in an article? Are these going to part of the infobox location map? Or do I have to add something else to use them? --SVTCobra 02:22, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

May be that link is helpful? Obersachse 14:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
They can be used however they are useful (which has yet to be determined). Basically, if say a bomb goes off somewhere, instead of finding a map with a dot on it indicating where it happened, we can just use this template to create one on the fly. Bawolff 22:17, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Image:Mapa lokalizacyjna v6.svg, w:Template:Location map Poland

Licence changed. Should be ok now. {{self|GFDL|cc-by-2.5}} Regards, Hiuppo

All I need is your permission to use your edits to w:template:Location map Poland under the cc-by-2.5 license. I do not need anything to do with the image. Thanks, Bawolff 22:28, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

OK. But where I should place this licence? In source code of this template? Hiuppo

You don't have to place a license anywhere. All you have to do is say yes on my talk page. Bawolff 21:10, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Soooo... Yes ;) Hiuppo

Thanks Smile.png. Bawolff 20:03, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Guaicaipuro Cuatemoc

Hi. Thanks for your consideration but it's completely useless since it violates a series of politics such as Neutral Point, Content guide, etc. as it isn't neither written formally nor neutral (and is somewhat anti-capitalist). So you may erase it here at en: . Anyway, thanks again for your consideration. Regards - es:user:Jurock 01:15, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok, will do. Just wanted to make sure i wasn't deleting something potentially useful. Bawolff 04:00, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


Hello I'am Hyrax a news person would you like to edit my articles please asap if you can thank you. --Hyrax 23:39, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Which article do you want me to edit? Bawolff 20:41, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

All of them please. --Hyrax 23:34, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


Hi, thanks for your message, I have replied on my talk page. Regards. Adambro 10:22, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Regarding Image:Moblog 7af00dae65efd mod.jpg

In what way does the length of time the image has been uploaded effect whether it falls under the speedy deletion criteria? Regards. Adambro 22:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

At the time of the upload it was under an acceptable but discouraged license. Under current policy it will not be deleted until March 23, 2008 (To give time to try to get a new license for it). This applies to any image uploaded before March 23, 2007. Bawolff 22:29, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
At a time when people are talking about keeping "fair use" images, aren't you pushing the envelope by tagging "Cc-by-nc-nd-2.5" images for deletion? Aren't they more "free" than "fair use"? --SVTCobra 23:33, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
That depends on your perspective, but well, not really. Most people feel fair use is way better then cc-by-nc-nd. Also I haven't tagged any of them for deletion. they were all tagged a while ago, and one image was mistagged. Bawolff 23:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Dang Bawollf

You can write a 1st lead synopsis :) Thanks for... all the hard coding and keeping us tuned. -Edbrown05 07:46, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

your welcome. Bawolff

away message

I hope I catch you, but you might want to fix the date on your away message (on the talk page). --SVTCobra 01:15, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Thats okay, acording to that date, I already came back a month ago :). On a serious note, I'm going to be leaving tomorrow, so I'm still here for a little bit. Thanks for catching that. Bawolff 01:17, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
NP. Well, happy travels or whatever you are doing. I hope it is something you want to be doing. --SVTCobra 02:19, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Yep it is. Thanks. Bawolff 02:19, 30 June 2007 (UTC)


Hey Bawolff, good to see ya. Hope you are enjoying your break! Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 07:35, 29 July 2007 (UTC)


ran across this posting by you, and replied there. I could not find an inbound from her for those images. Hope that helps. ++Lar: t/c 18:20, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

What's a crap error?

=) Thunderhead - (talk) 02:18, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikinews:Arbitration Committee/CheckUser and oversight requests

There are two requests in relation to CheckUser and oversight which require the approval of the Arbitration Committee before they are presented to Wikimedia stewards for action to be taken. I would ask you to review these two requests:

  1. User:Brianmc has recently been elected to the committee and requests CheckUser and oversight
  2. User:Chiacomo hasn't been re-elected and has been inactive on the project since March, User:Adambro has suggested his privileges are revoked.

I would appreciate your input, as a member of ARBCOM which I understand has the final say on whether a user has these rights, on these two requests. Adambro 14:12, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Welcome back!

Nice to see you on Wikinews again! FellowWiki Newsie 23:46, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

thanks. Bawolff 00:03, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Immigrant's Festival begins in Argentina

It's original reporting, I put a link to the spanish vertion. :) Regards, Loco085 22:24, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok good. Sorry for jumping on you so fast. Thanks for translating. Bawolff 22:25, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Image Information

Alright don't use commons that often but now I know the proper use. Thanks for your help. Herb 14:41, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

No problem, glad to be of help. Bawolff 05:28, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


Noticing that you're a Canadian WN editor, I was wondering if I could ask specifically which city - so that I can smack people on their talk pages if there's an upcoming event I'd love to see covered as per Wikinews:Happenings/Ontario and similar. On an unrelated note, seeing your talk page, we really do need to do something about the lack of public domain stories on WN - I see no reason why a story shouldn't be able to be put into the PD by its creator with a template announcing its status, and that all further edits are PD by default :( It's sad to see that we our knowledge and information is not as widely dessiminated as it could be, simply because a bunch of people dream of seeing CNN quote WikiNews. :\ Sherurcij refusing to add Original Reporting until PD Articles are allowed 21:02, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Well I'm in alberta, but i'm not very much of a writer. As for PD, well I personally put all my edits under PD, I don't think it really makes too much of difference for people copying us. After the switch we yelled at all the people mirroring us who weren't crediting us, and most of them (bear in mind there were very few of them who actually mirrored us, and thoose that did ussually said something along the lines from wikinews etc) added a linkback line, I remember one that stopped mirroring us, but they weren't exactly doing a good job mirroring us anyhow (e.g. they displayed the wikicode for the article). The cc-by really requires not very much for the person copying us, and the amount of people copying us depends on our quality of content way more than pd vs cc-by in my opinion. Bawolff 20:21, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Difference between images

The country we are looking for the World News Quiz isn't mentioned in the title of the image I uploaded. I've also uploaded duplicates for previous quizzes. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 09:09, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok. Bawolff 18:13, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Iranian President Ahmadinejad speaks at Columbia University

Thanks for the compliment - that felt good! I need to take a break from writing the article and I think it would benefit from other eyes an hands. Plus, I have my interview with Tom Tancredo tomorrow at 1:15 and I need to bone up for that. Have at it guys. --David Shankbone 02:49, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Your welcome. I fixed a few miscatergorations, but other then that, you write much much better then me, and there is really nothing I can add. Excellent article, Happy editing. Bawolff 03:24, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks again :-) I actually wrote it kind of rushed. But at least that $120,000 I spent on law school did some good. --David Shankbone 12:43, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

RE 6%

No kidding! thats really'd you figure that? just curious :) DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 05:01, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

10281/568 = 0.0552475... * 100% = ~6%

Bawolff 05:04, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

LOL...good call on some easy math...I am impressed :) DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 05:05, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

PD and that stuff

Ok, I actually really knew that... My real question is: "Why are PD articles allowed here when WMF stated licence for WN is CC-BY 2.5?". And I don't mean to be rude, but I think the real "issue" (to name it somehow) has been a little distorted. My question is still the same: Wikinews:Copyright (policy here in WN) states license of submitted work here is CC-by 2.5, so why are PD articles allowed nonetheless? - Jurock (reply here) 20:03, 1 October 2007 (UTC) (PS: BTW, I also share your view that GFDL is not a great license)

Wait a sec! That you wrote in my talk wasn't really for me, was it? It was for the person who posted above you? Then sorry =P. But in es:wikinews we don't usually answer other people in third party's usertalks... - Jurock (reply here) 20:08, 1 October 2007 (UTC)


Yeah, I'm familiar. Thanks for welcoming me :) Spebi 07:37, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Calbot and protected date pages

Can't see a problem with that, as CalendarBot is an admin and would be able to edit anyways..

But thanks for letting me know none the less :D —Zachary talk 00:55, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


Hi Bawolff... I was wondering, is there any way at all to introduce your code for oppinion tabs to es.wikinews? I mean, I read the sort of "warning" that it wouldn't work for other languages, and since I have almost 0 .js knowledge, I'd like to know if there is a little chance... Byes! - Jurock (reply here) 17:35, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok. Thing is, I had tried already but failed (maybe some variables I didn't know from?). Anyway, comments in Spanish is "Comentarios"... - Jurock (reply) 23:24, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
(I must surely be rather annoying...) Well, just to tell you I have been experimenting in es:MediaWiki:Comments.js and have almost done it... All I'm missing is the tab to appear in the main article (it appears in the talk page, however, and it links back wonderfully now...). Anyway, if you wish to use it in your own monobook, just add includePage ( 'MediaWiki:Comments.js' ). Thanks! - Jurock (reply) 21:59, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Don't worry about being annoying, I like doing stuff with javascript. Bawolff 22:07, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Comments tab

There's a problem with the comments tab. Please see admin alerts page. FellowWiki Newsie 17:12, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

crap that was my fault. Bawolff 00:10, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Bryan Habana tackled for Webb Ellis Cup

Ellis Cup

Hi there

I just did an post in my blog about the Web ellis cup which was almost stolen in South Africa yesterday. See my post here and maybe you can ad it to wikinews.


simon - South Africa 08:11, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Done Rugby player Bryan Habana tackled by fan. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 09:45, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


(well, that's in Spanish... the equivalent for hahaha!). Just laughing at those quotes... xD Thanks, you gave me a good laugh... Smile.png - Jurock (reply) 22:50, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Smile.png Bawolff 22:03, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


For a short while the first tab on articles was listed as "Page" instead of "Article". Do you know why that was? Is someone toying with the "code"? I know next to nothing about these aspects of Wikinews, but I remember the problem with the commentary section. Is this something to be concerned about? --SVTCobra 01:05, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

It was (Me and Thunderhead are assuming at least) a developer who made a difference in the server-side code to the site changing the default name for the main namespace tab from Article to Page. It has now been changed back to Article. It can be controlled by mediawiki:nstab-main. (If the page does not exist, it uses default). Bawolff 07:37, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


hi bawolff, i saw ur msg in portuguese wikipedia. feel free. someone can try to understand what u said. thankyou. alex Abmac 11:44, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Fixing problems

Hello Bawolff:

I'm Brunoy Anastasiya Seryozhenko one contribuitor of lusophon Wikinews; I see your messenger here, and I said the problem in that page; We will fix that in a few time, and I thank you for see this problem, and if you have more problems from Lusophon Wikinews to talk (which you said), you can contact me in my talk page of lusophon Wikipedia, or my talk page on Wikinews.

Thanks. Brunoy Anastasiya Seryozhenko 14:12, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Bawolff's bot

Any chance of getting it running on Template:Popular articles/recent? --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 11:03, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Very soon. I just have to fix a thing with commas I just discovered. Bawolff 20:17, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Weirdness with calendar

Hi Bawolff. I figured you might be able to sort this out. Have a look at the calendar at the top right of this page. The "November" link is red and seems to be trying to access 2008, rather than 2007. Cheers, Jcart1534 21:24, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Done Somebody made a mistake in typing a year. Bawolff 00:06, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Bot's comment

Sorry for delay... I am back in Belgrade, but I realized that I have problems with Internet connection (ADSL modem died) which should be fixed today evening. As I am able to access normally to Toolserver only from my personal computer and it is possible to make changes only if something is urgent. (Resetting my key for SSH or asking some admin to shut down the bot.) If everything goes normally, I'll fix subject tomorrow around UTC noon. --millosh (talk (sr:)) 17:51, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Done. If you want to change text in table, you may change meta:User:Millbot/ and I'll include it ASAP. Don't touch left side, but only right side of the configuration file. --millosh (talk (sr:)) 13:00, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Sounds good. Bawolff 23:15, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Template:Popular articles/recent

Is it possible that this list will be getting shorter and shorter the longer this tool keeps track of articles? Because it will become harder for new articles to beat articles that have been viewed a lot more because they are much older... --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 22:26, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Theoretically the list should reset itself once a month (I think). However I'm not sure if it did that or not. Anyways, I've increased the size of the list the bot uses from the toolserver from 200 to 300 of the most popular articles. Bawolff 20:52, 8 December 2007 (UTC)


It was for a story about myself which has now been canned feel free to delete it.--Irate 12:28, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikinews:Story preparation/Interview with Reggie Bibbs on his life with neurofibromatosis

Hi bawolff,

as you read here: User_talk:Nzgabriel#Looking_for_help_on_Video_Interview, I'm now behind a firewall and I can't get the video and upload it to Commons, if you have time could you do that for me and put cc-by-2.0 with OTRS pending (I'll forward permission once I know the filename)? I'm feeling really stupid because I've just moved to a new job and I can't freely access anything here, so now I can't finish this article which I'd really like to publish now...

Thanks a million for all your help! (also with bawolff bot etc.)

--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 18:22, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I just read this now. I'm currently downloading the video (all 153 megabytes), assuming all goes well with converting it (I hope it does, I find converting videos only seems to work about 50% of the time for me), I'll upload it to commons soon. Bawolff 20:50, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your help, I agree it might be better to have a few parts and make the video bigger about 300px, maybe even 3 parts I don't know. Problem is I'm on a hospital IT network where I can't even view videos or download anything so I really depend on others to publish this. If you have time please increase the size and create partitions and then publish the story. Thanks for all your help bawolff. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 15:44, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I will, but I can't right now, I just logged in to check my messages. I'll try to do that soon. 03:32, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
That's allright just whenever you have time, just let me know if you think it will be >2weeks or something then I'll try to find someone else to help out but otherwise that's quite allright you've been incredibly helpful already! Thanks, --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 21:38, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Its uploaded. Bawolff 00:41, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your incredible help Bawolff, Fellowikinews and SVTCobra have been writing the transcript so this is slowly but surely getting there, I hope you found the video interesting (I haven't seen it myself but I've read the transcript). I understand the sound quality is poor... Do you think the article can be published without the full transcript (I can't finish it myself so then I'll ask a few other people to help out...)? --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 22:51, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
As to sound quality: The main problem (I think) is the questioners voice is very hard to hear. Reggie's voice is loud and clear to me. I'm not sure if the questioners voice could be somehow edited into betterness, or perhaps recordered over, thats definitly over my know how. I think publishing the unfinished version is fine, as long as it gets finished soon. Bawolff 00:35, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Interview templates

I took your template for responses - and made {{WNIQ}}. The idea with this is for a one-on-one interview the interviewer can use their name and initials. The templates I did can be used for group interviews done on IRC or by email. HOWEVER, the rendering in MSIE is WYSIWTF. The left and right of the letters are cropped.

Anyway, use would be

Wikinews waves Left.pngInterviewee NameWikinews waves Right.png This is the first question.

Wikinews waves Left.pngINWikinews waves Right.png Second and subsequent.

For responses I think it would be overkill to decorate beyond bolding initials. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:30, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I like the black ionstead of the aqua better too. Aqua was too much blue. I modified the templates to be less squished to the image, as that was what is causing the IE weirdness (transparent png support = not in IE).Another thought: When we're doing wikinews, I think that perhaps we should abbreviate to WN, not just W, as W in my mind equals wikipedia. Bawolff 00:40, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Sure am serious

Yeah, I'm deadly serious. But, yeah, seriously, thanks for making the effort to do that - I'm told it can be a pain to adapt things to work properly in IE! Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 07:42, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

No problem. IE is annoying (or depending on your perspective, the rest of the world is annoying), but that was a very short script and was quite painless to adapt. Bawolff 07:48, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


The least you could have done was include a congrats on the new photo. I saw it earlier, but I don't know NGerda, so it would probably have been weird. lol, cheers, --SVTCobra 00:40, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


Can you come back to IRC? I have something important to discuss and nobody is there to discuss it with me. TheCustomOfLife 01:41, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, don't worry about it, just go to the final section on the collaboration page of the WMF article and comment. TheCustomOfLife 01:56, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

project:Changing username#Instructions

Dear Bawolff! Thanks for the note at my user talk page. However I want to let you know that the « Instructions » at project:Changing username#Instructions where before I copied a minimum of required templates useless as template:Renameuser is a nested template copied from w:en:template:Renameuser. So either the instructions should be changed or the templates need to be adapted. If you want I can assit you. you can reach me at #kavehoyz or via Skype:irelgnag. Best regards
‫·‏לערי ריינהארט‏·‏T‏·‏m‏:‏Th‏·‏T‏·‏email me‏·‏‬ 09:13, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi! template:Listuser is one of the nested templates required for template:Renameuser see special:Whatlinkshere/template:Listuser. Best regards
‫·‏לערי ריינהארט‏·‏T‏·‏m‏:‏Th‏·‏T‏·‏email me‏·‏‬ 07:29, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Dual License

Well done for Dual Licensing your edits (PD/CC-BY). You are the first Wikinews user I have seen (except me) who uses dual licensing (despite it being relitavely common on Wikipedia. The problem is it iis virtually useless unless other users do the same. --User:Anonymous101 19:47, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Well the difference, is here the licensing is quite liberal. The GFDL on the other hand is just bleh, so there is much more incentive to dual license on 'pedia. There was only one other user who pd'd there edits here that I'm aware of (Sherurcij (talk · contribs)) but he is not very active (excluding the obvious before September 25, 2005).
Personally I've tried to import templates and such from wikipedia, and found that copyright even when copyleft is still an absolute royal pain :). Its especially annoying as most users don't care if you want to copy it as long as you're not a jerk about it, but you have to jump through hoops anyways. Bawolff 23:24, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

re perth temps

i'll give a couple of hours and see what comes along Gnangarra 07:50, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

thanks for your help Gnangarra 07:50, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
glad to help. Bawolff 07:53, 26 December 2007 (UTC)


When I tried the new quiz feature it worked but it put your sig with the date and time that you added it to MediaWiki:Gadget-quizScorePost.js instead of mine with the current date and time. FellowWiki Newsie 19:24, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Can't believe i did that Smile.png. fixed (may have to do hard refresh). Bawolff 03:51, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I tested again but now there is no box showing. I did a couple hard refreshes. FellowWiki Newsie 18:39, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Thats weird. I think i fixed it, but i have no idea wht it did that so I'm going to have to look into it more later. It should work now. Bawolff 19:34, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Ok, it works now. FellowWiki Newsie 19:36, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

My userpage

Yeah, the aesthetic sacrifices one has to make, huh? ;-) Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 12:53, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

I dunno if you do RfA thanks here, or if it's just a Wikipedia thing. If not, I reckon the trend needs broken. Many thanks for participating in my RfA, which, as you've already congratulated me for, was successful. Unfortunatly, I can't use the excuse of testing my shiny new buttons to see what they do as I have them on Wikipedia ;). So, I guess that rules out any rogue-adminish behaivour ;-). Seriously, though, cheers, and see you around on-wiki! Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 15:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Your welcome. Bawolff 05:27, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Weirdness with calendar, part 2

Hi Bawolff. Can you have a look at this month's article listing page? There is usually a calendar at the top right. You sorted out a previous problem with this, so I am hoping you can fix up this as well? Cheers, --Jcart1534 00:50, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Zachary is looking into it. Bawolff 05:28, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

News brief recording

Just wanted to say I listened to your news brief and it sounded great. Happy editing (and recording). Bawolff 10:37, 3 January 2008 (UTC) p.s. Theres a discrepancy between the license you say the recording is under in the recording (CC-By 2.5), and the license you say on the commons page (CC-BY-SA). I believe CC-By 2.5 is the correct one as that is what the rest of the site is under, and what other audio things have been under. Bawolff 10:51, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Dear Bawolff: Thank you so much, I'm honoured that you thought it up to the necessary standard. The most recent issue that I recorded is much more professional actually, as I'm getting more practiced I think at the newsreading/scriptwriting process. Stay tuned for future briefs! Thank you also for letting me know about the tagging mistake which I've now fixed. If there's anything you think could be done better in my News Briefs recordings, or something which you think I should add to them, please do let me know. All the best, --NicholasTurnbull 21:48, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

DPL: Select articles based on REVISION dates?

There doesn't seem to be much action there. Do you care to comment on Select articles based on REVISION dates? Thanks. RichardF 19:19, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Basically we use a very old version of dpl (efficency reasons i think, don't quote me on that though). Anyways, see mw:Extension:DynamicPageList/old is the extention page for the version we use. (/me whishes for DPL2, it looks awesome). Bawolff 06:42, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


Wikinews:Arbitration_Committee/Elections_January_2008#User:Bawolff . --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 22:13, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. Bawolff 06:43, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

m:wikt:yi:project:IRC, w:ps:project:IRC etc.

Dear Bawolff! Thanks for all what you have done so far to get « project:IRC » running. For the « clones » at m:s:yi:project:IRC, w:yi:project:IRC and w:ps:project:IRC it would be best to ask for a temporary sysopship. I was absent during the last days as well but I hope to be more time online during the next days. Best regards
‫·‏לערי ריינהארט‏·‏T‏·‏m‏:‏Th‏·‏T‏·‏email me‏·‏‬ 22:44, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Script update

Hello Bawolff. I updated a script in your JavaScript file to fix a problem with new restrictions in MediaWiki. Unfortunately, another MediaWiki change has temporarily broken refreshing; if you want to use it after it breaks, you'll need to try one of these options:

  • Wait a few days or weeks; the server and browser caches will eventually time out.
  • Repeatedly hard-refresh your browser while viewing an edit page on Wikinews.
  • In your preferences under the "Misc" section, add a check mark next to "disable page caching". Next, view the raw JavaScript code, and hard-refresh your browser. You might want to re-enable page caching after that to avoid slow page loading times.

If you're curious, developers recently restricted the use of the URL parameter "&action=raw" to the primary script access point— this means that it can no longer be used with simplified URLs. Pathoschild 05:29, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Strangeness for editing

Currently the clickable link below the edit box looks wrong and inserts *[[:Template:Source]]. I'm not sure where this is buried. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:51, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I believe it relates to Zach's recent edits to mediawiki:Edittools (and various js files). Looks like its all fixed now. Bawolff 04:14, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

tabbed navigation

what's the likelihood of setting up tabbed navigation (such as [29])? –Doldrums(talk) 15:17, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Quite easy. I believe user:Darklama has code for something similiar on wikibooks (I'll look into that). Alternatively we could probably easily adapt the link you provided as well. Bawolff 22:19, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

thanks for setting it up :) saved me from figuring out why

function bar( t ) {
        tabs = t.parentNode.nextSibling.nextSibling.cells;
        for (i = 0; i < tabs.length; i++){
                if (tabs[i].style.display != 'none' ){
                tabs[i].style.display = 'none';
        tabs[t.cellIndex].style.display = 'block';

is broken on IE (first row of a table has the tab names, second row has the tab contents and bar(this) is called on click). and this is why i wanted the tabs. thanks again, –Doldrums(talk) 17:53, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


its not an an opinion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elfhmar (talkcontribs) 08:01, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

--are you the author of yes... i am the author. anyway, its ok..i will remove the 'article'. :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elfhmar (talkcontribs) 08:26, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


thanks for responding, man :) i found this is one of the policies: "Closeness to a subject does not mean you're incapable of being neutral"

i'm not trying to fight against everyone. it's just in my article - i was writing about what happened. and yeah it did happen to me, but that doesn't in this case that it jeapordizes the professionalsim of wikinews, because it WAS written from a neutral point of view. I mean, if it is really that big of an issue, I could give both my own statement and the police report at a later date, and let someone else edit it. But I contend that it is something that is newsworthy, and it is written from a neutral point of view.

Again, thank you. And yes I would appreciate it if it was "un-deleted" lol. thanks :p - Brian Best 07:52, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


I'm new to wikinews and I want to create a lacrosse portal in the sports section. how can i do this? (Twiggslaxfpc 08:03, 10 February 2008 (UTC))

I also have a question about tables. how can i create one for the different teams in the various lacrosse leagues? Also, where is a good place to spread the news about the new lacrosse portal? (Twiggslaxfpc 15:05, 10 February 2008 (UTC))

rss feeds

not sure if this is useful to your rss template, but you can make text rssy (or at least the old style of rssy icon) by putting stuff in the class rss. For example RSS or XML. Bawolff 06:49, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Don't think its useful for my template at the moment but thank anyway. --Anonymous101 Talk 06:56, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
ok. p.s. I changed the variable from {{PAGENAME}} to {{PAGENAMEE}} so that it works with usernames with spaces in them. Cheers. Bawolff 07:00, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. --Anonymous101 Talk 07:02, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I see that you know what you are doing for RSS feeds. Is there any chance you can teach me how you create one on a wiki?- Kristinpedia (talk) 17:37, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

If you could tell me how to step by step create an rss feed on a wiki I'd really appreciate it. Or even a link to an article that describes how your guys did it.Kristinpedia (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 21:37, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Does the community on this website not respect it's own policies?

This is not a retorical question, bawolf. It's real. And I sort of wouldn't mind getting an answer to my question; you can give me a suggestion to act differently or some personality critisicism as well, but please, i'm humbly asking that you answer the question in the topic heading.

You should know why I ask that, deep down. But it's because the article I wrote is subjected to deletion and it seems like nobody has read the policies. They furthermore ignore my quoted statements, fail to answer or to try to find any answer to my questions in the polices.

I would very much like to get along well with everyone here. I don't know if I should just not expect people to respect the policies on the website they are using, or if I should. I guess I am sort of mad, because people ignored me completely, and were acting as if I wasn't important, or maybe as if I wasn't going to read what they wrote. So I don't know. Brian Best - (talk) 00:43, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Policy is only the writing down of common practices. Sometimes thoose practices change, but policy does not get updated (however i do not believe that is happening here). While you do point out that closeness to something doesn't necessarily mean that you can't be neutral, there is a point where someone can be so close to the issue that we don't think they can. In addition, don't take this the wrong way, but you are a new user, and we have very little to go on if we should trust you. Combined with the fact that it is very hard to verify your story, we have no way of knowing if for some reason you could be somebody who is just lieing through your teeth and the vent did not happen. (not that we think you are, but the possibility always remains).
Basically what it boils down to is that we don't trust that you are neutral, and we can't prove that you are neutral. If many of us were in the same place as you were, we don't think we would be able to be neutral, so how can we know if you are actually neutral. Bawolff 01:14, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Main page design

Been playing in your sandbox.

How do I make tabs work for me? Can't get it working on my sandbox. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:39, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Add the following:
importScript("User:Bawolff/tabber.js"); //the tabber code that Deprify suggested <div class="tabber">stuff
importScript("MediaWiki:NavigationTabs.js"); //Darklama's script <div class="navtab">stuff

To either user:Brianmc/monobook.js (or your skin you use). Which will make it work on all pages you visit. (be warned importScript("MediaWiki:NavigationTabs.js"); doesn't behave well on long pages and with some skins). Or you can add it to [[mediawiki:common.js/User:Brianmc/<name of your sandbx here>]] which will make it work for anybody who visits that page. Bawolff 03:34, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Custom Skin

Hello, Bavolff ! - Just found your comment of a couple a days ago about the cool skin of Noclip and your ongoing design / server test. How is it working ?? - I look for such an amazing "look & feel" for my own wiki, which is set up on MediaWiki 1.11.1 (January 2008 version inclusive all new security patches). Does it work with this version ?? - Nice weekend / Hearing from you... --ElJay Arem - (talk) 16:08, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

While i havn't really actually done that much to it, and i'm still very new to php, but i see no reason why it should not work on the latest version of mediawiki. The version i'm testing on is 1.11.0rc1. Bawolff 21:34, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Template:Popular articles/recent

Ping! --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 23:06, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm aware of the issue. Basically Leon's tool which my bot got the data from has not been maintained for quite a while. Recently the toolserver folks rearranged stuff, and no one has fixed leon's tool. On the bright side, Wikipedia currently has real stats coming from wikimedia servers, which might spread to us at some point, but in the mean while we do not have any data source for statistics. (come on irc if you have questions) Bawolff 23:11, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


Could you explain to me what can I do, I'm recently new to wikinews. I don't want to create news articles but is there any maintenance tasks which I can do, my userpage & subpages have all been fully set-up but I wouldn't mind helping out if possible. Terra What do you want? 10:09, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Responded on your talk. Bawolff 23:45, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

User:Anonymous101/Sandbox/PD Article

That page seems to imply you're checking them all by hand. Thats really something that should be done by a computer as doing it by hand must get rather boring. Bawolff 22:39, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm not checking them all in one day. I'm not checking them as there is a dpl to check them. I am just marking them --Anonymous101 (talk · contribs) 06:03, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Your user page

The spider man image that was on your user page has been deleted (it was a copyvio apparently). Therefore, I suggest the you take the image of your user page. --Anonymous101 (talk · contribs) 16:25, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, geuss that had to happen sometime :(. Oh well. Bawolff 02:56, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Template:Popular articles

Any idea on when we could get an update on this? Cirt - (talk) 09:01, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Midnight of never. The page was updated based on a tool on the toolserver. Since that has disappeared, it can't be updated as it has no info. If you know of any places with such info available, please let me know. Bawolff 14:25, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

To Bawolff

Hey Bawolff i know your probably very busy at the moment so please don't rush to answer this i just wanted to know if my articles are okay? ty --Newshybrid059 - (talk) 01:20, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


I am, once again, putting myself up for Rfa. I would appriciate it if you could stop by My RFA and vote. Wheter support or oppose I would appriciate your vote to avoid another situation of having too few votes.-Ryan524 (talk) 23:12, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


Hi Bawolff! You know that I'm most active in it.wikinews, but I'm so interesting to accreditation. Because of Italian law we have many problems to have accreditation, so, I decided to ask you if I can request it on en.wikinews. I understand almost the entire policy, and the request seems quite easy, but I wanted to ask you if it were difficult to obtain because I am more active on another project. Thanks for your help :-) --Stef Mec (talk) 08:52, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Generally it is harder as accreditation is essentially the comunity saying, that you are a) a good person, and b) not going to do anything stupid. While you probably meet thoose criteria, it is much harder to judge if you are not an active member of the en community, as people here don't interact with you as much. Bawolff 02:06, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Re Questions

Found the MUFON reports on Stephenville, Texas. Can you fix that article? 07:32, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I can try. but you have to bear in mind that i am not overall that familiar with the actual writing side of this site, so it may need someone else to help it a long. (like for example, I'm not sure if the ufo sources are considered sufficiently different) Bawolff 07:44, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Audio wikinews RSS feed

I just got your message on my talk. Still need help? terinjokes | Talk 17:52, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

We discussed that over email a while back. Don't really remember what happened with it, but i don't need help with it anymore. Thanks for asking. Bawolff 23:00, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
I thought we did... with us looking like we'll get native RSS feeds, shouldn't be much of a problem anymore. terinjokes | Talk 04:06, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for experimenting with Wikinews. Your test worked, and has now been reverted or removed. Please use Wikinews:Sandbox for any other tests you want to do, since testing in articles may disrupt the site's working and will be reverted quickly.

Bawolff/archives, welcome to Wikinews! Please refrain from using content pages for testing. Here are a few good links for newcomers on how to edit Wikinews:

Our key policies - if you read anything, read these!

Here a few pointers to help you get to know Wikinews:

There are always things to do on Wikinews:

By the way, you can sign your name on Talk pages using four tildes (~~~~), which produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, you can ask them at the water cooler or to anyone on the Welcommittee, or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! terinjokes | Talk 14:36, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Wow, you mean to say I can like edit this thing? Awesome!!!!11111. Bawolff 14:44, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


Can we kill that template. It asked for more than one source. Found three of them. Thanks for the assisstance. 08:14, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

To tell you the truth, I'm not all that familiar with article writing. We could probably kill the template, but we should only change its status to {{ready}} so that someone else who knows what they are doing can give it a once over. Bawolff 08:27, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Someone claimed the article is not ready. 22:02, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
hmm, sorry, but i really am not all that good at the article side of this site. I'm sure the people who commented on the talk page of the article would be able to help you much more than i can. Bawolff 06:01, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


WOW we get almost 22k hits a DAY?!?!?! No way! That's insane. I didn't think anyone read this damn page. Well I'm back in action with Audio Wikinews. .:*:*:DAVUMAYA:*:*:. (talk) 08:13, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

lol. yeah, the statistical stuff surprised me to. bear in mind that the stats include google bot, botnets, etc, but still. Bawolff 08:17, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I think the problem in the past is we have had to rely on Alexa. This gathers statistics from people who install a toolbar which I believe is Internet Explorer only. As I think they're also selling statistical information, the level of detail we can get from them for free just doesn't cut it. In any case, even if 10% of our traffic is software agents such as Googlebot, the figures are pretty good. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:19, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
On top of that, many anti-spyware packages identify the alexa toolbar as spyware and remove it, so their ability to track people is most likely falling. Alexa really only tells you useful stuff if your big enough everyone uses you (like wikipedia). But it should be noted there are many lines in thee statistic file (I assume) trying to use us as an open proxy (although generally its not very much, so it shouldn't throw off hit number. 50 starting with [hH]ttp:// occurred on July 14 2008 between 14:00-15:00):
en.n 1 1021
en.n'_Times_Sake 1 1044
en.n'Donnell 1 1025
en.n ../../../../../etc/passwd 1 1025

As well as some interlanguage interwiki linking (if you link [[n:zh:some page in chinese]] from the english wikipedia, the link first goes to us (and gets counted as a hit, I believe) and then goes to the apropriate page on zh). However linking from the zh wikipedia directly to zh wikinews does nott have this affect (96 hits of this type occurred on July 14 2008 between 14:00-15:00)

en.n nl:Gebruiker:Stevenfruitsmaak 1 986
en.n nl:Special:Search/%C4%82_%C4%86%E2%80%99%C4%82%CB%98%C3%A2%E2%80%9A%C2%AC%C3%82%C2%B0ditions_Privat 1 1061
en.n nl:Special:Search/18._%C3%A5rhundrede 1 994
en.n nl:Special:Search/ 1 1004
en.n de:Kategorie:Franz%C3%B6sisch-Polynesien 1 997
en.n de:Kategorie:Liberia 1 977
en.n de:Kategorie:Marokko 1 1167

So then that just leaves googlebot/other spiders, which we can't really take into account (next we need user-agent stats). But yes, I believe the statistics print a pretty picture :). Bawolff 09:32, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Popular articles

Seems that the list stopped updating. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 14:47, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes I know, I am currently away, and can't update it. Instructions on how its done is on the bots userpage if someone wants to take over for the summer. Bawolff 23:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi Bawolff, will you run your bot continuously or just for today? Would you allow me to make some small changes to your script in future? 1. "this">"last" and 2. adding a link to further daily/monthly sum-up (when having fetched up August; maybe just as noinclude)? --- Best regards, Melancholie (talk) 23:26, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Just for the next couple of days. It basically runs when my computer is on, and i will be away again for another month after a couple of days. As far as changes go: certainly. Code is meant to be modified. (as in I'll change it as soon as i have a moment. I'm a little busy at this particular moment) Bawolff 23:44, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Done, see diff. By the way: If it is really desired by the community to have an hourly top list on maybe the Main_Page or so (see Wikinews:Bots#user:Bawolff_bot), I could update those stats as long as you are away. But currently the list doesn't seem to be used very much. --- Best regards, Melancholie (talk) 00:11, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
After rewriting my scripts for this hourly task, my bot now updates the template. I hope this is useful. --- Best regards, Melancholie (talk) 17:35, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Alright. I think its useful. One of my eventual plans to make it more useful (which i never did do) was to add magic template code so it could be called as {{popular articles|count=5|noshowhitcount=true}} to customize the list, but i never got around to doing that. I'll disable my bot now, and let yours take over. Make sure you get your bot approved if you havn't already done so. Cheers. Bawolff 23:16, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Like you might have seen, the current way of use is {{popular articles|top=5|nohits=true}}. I think it is better to say "show me 10 items" instead of "show me those with more hits than", as hits vary too much. Bot request filed, now. --- Best regards, Melancholie (talk) 23:21, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


If you have not already seen this, please look, comment, and vote both here and on bugzilla. Further assistance such as contact information for Google would be a very useful detail to share and help in petitioning for a listing in their news index. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:54, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikinews:Bots protection

Good point, my mistake. Cirt (talk) 04:05, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Error Message

Here is the error message:

Line: 341
Char: 32
Error: Expected indeifier
Code: 0

Anonymous101talk 08:23, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

My bot

Sorry about those mistakes. Still ironing out some problems. The bot's intended usage is to flag pages for speedy deletion, or to find copyright violations. It should take about 3 - 4 days to fix it then. Apologies if my comments seem rushed, I'm on a public computer now. --Kalspring (talk) 12:39, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

DPL help

If you can, please help out with Wikinews:Water_cooler/technical#How_to_get_2_categories_to_output_in_the_same_DPL.3F. Thanks, Cirt (talk) 05:36, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

See [30] and then: Error: Too many categories! -- Any idea what went wrong? Any help would be appreciated. Cheers, Cirt (talk) 20:40, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
DPL has a limit on how many categories/notcatagory clauses (~6 or something) for what I would assume be performance reasons. There's really no way around it. (guess that makes recatergorizing things the only option) Bawolff 06:53, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

ticker at wikilusa

Hello Bawolff i was lookink for a ticker news and i found you :). Could you please help to try on this new project? Its wikilusa .com thanks ;) 09:24, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Certainly. I'm a little busy at the moment, so it might take me a while to respond, but I'll help the best i can. What specifically do you need help with? Bawolff 05:43, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
Hello Bawolff thank you for your attention. We are talking about a new portuguese wiki and we would like to put your ticker in it, but we have the technical issue... you know. ;). If possible we would like to show also portuguese news. We have one user to do translations so if you have some time to spend with this project we would be much apreciated. Congratulations for your work also in Portuguese 250 millions of native talking people ;))) PTorg (talk) 13:15, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Message from WN User Iceflow

Hi. I have been advised to leave you a message - We have a wikinews user who has imported an antivandal javascript into WN from Wikipedia - its not intended for use here and I am worried that it may cause damage if he attempts to use it. I was asked to leave this message by Amgine - AutisticPsycho is deleting the javascript, and the user who did this is Flewis. He's only been here since 30/Sept. Figured you needed to know. Thanks! Iceflow (talk) 02:52, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I left said user a message. Thanks for letting me know. Bawolff 03:13, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank You

Thanks you so much for writing some quiz questions. I will try and add some tomorrow if you don't finish. Anonymous101talk 20:19, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

To be honest, I doubt I'll have time to do much more at the moment. Thanks for the thanks though. 22:46, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

audio box

I uploaded what I see at Template talk:Audio box. Cheers, --SVTCobra 00:14, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

ok. Bawolff 00:18, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
I think you did fix it. Sorry, I purged the main page cache instead. --SVTCobra 00:19, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
no problem. Glad its working. Bawolff 00:22, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


Does en.wn have an equivalent of wikt:Template:pedialite, a small li one-line link to a wikipedia article? if not, it'd be a really cool addition, as long as it wasn't so complex that people can't understand how it works. Better for sourcing when one is referencing a half-dozen wp articles. - Amgine | t 19:21, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Not to my knowladge. really we only have {{wikipedia}}. Why not just make a normal link though:
  • Look up foo on wikipedia
  • Wikipedia-logo.png Look up foo

Bawolff 03:06, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Horizontal infoboxes

Per your request, see my mockup. Obviously there would be background colouring and things like that, but this is mainly to illustrate the layout/content. Re-read the spec I wrote then look at what I've done as a graphic and it'll probably all make sense. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:06, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

please? :)

Hey Bawolff! Could I ask you to help me introduce the ticker in es.wikinews? I'm really js=0 :(. Would you mind? Pretty pleaseeeee? :P - Julián (reply) 23:50, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

I'd love to help, but I can't today. but i will help you with it when i have time Bawolff 00:15, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Sure, there's no rush. Thanks - Julián (reply) 00:51, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

typos in interviews

IMO its pretty obv that he meant to type technical. had it been something that may have meant another thing or was out of context i would have left it. im open to [sic]'s though, but didnt think it merited it. regards --MarkTalk to me 03:58, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

ok, its probably fine as you edited it. Bawolff 04:52, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


Oops, I deleted my comment? I accidently posted the comment twice so I meant to remove one copy but I removed both. Stupid me. I'm doing well at making stupid errors like this atm, in the last day I have used the name George Washington when creating an article on John Adams at sco.wp, reverted a reversion of vandalism as it looked like vandalism to me, and made this stupid commenting error. I need more sleep. Anonymous101talk 19:29, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry, I've done my share of stupid things too ;). Bawolff 04:20, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

JS Skills

Hey bawolff. to save me some anger, was just trying to adapt the UTC clock gadget code so it could be embedded into a page. You able to code that up by any chance. If not ill have to get my hammer out and start hitting the pc :p cheers --MarkTalk to me 22:50, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Well we can't have you beating an innocent PC now can we. I'll look at the code. Bawolff 23:11, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
cheers :)--MarkTalk to me 23:29, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
yes thats excellent :D my plan was to add it to the election article, dont know if i left it too late to ask, but im sure it would look good on the main page too. cheers --MarkTalk to me 01:07, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Let the groveling begin!

You dear, kind, handsome man; I have traveled these long wikilands in search of your guidance, because the good people of IRCdom informed me of your generous genius (and affinity for assertive alliteration?) (additional assonance in aforementioned asking?).

In short, I was trying to copy over {{Howdy}} to Wikisource, but ran into some JS troubles at s:Template:Welcome2 and hoped you might show me what I'm doing wrong, to get the tabs to work properly. It's probably something basic and simple, I'm just a dunce :) Sherurcij 23:07, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

User RadioUK

Just like WikiNews is a free news site, I operate RadioUK, a free radio. So, yes to your inquery. RadioUK (talk) 06:07, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

User Preferences

I don't know if you're the one to talk to about this, but I ran into a little problem with the User Preferences page. I made several changes to my preferences, and each time it wouldn't let me save the changes unless I filled in the "New Password" boxes. It just kept giving me an error saying my password had to be at least 1 character long. Gopher65talk 03:59, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Post-election spam

Thank you for supporting me for adminship. :) I'll try to make you glad you did it. So here's a Nadezhda "Harry S. Truman" Durova campaign song. All the best, Durova (talk) 00:27, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Cover page to the sheet music
I'm Just Wild About Harry
lol. Bawolff 02:01, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Global bots

Did you mean to support the Wikinews:Global Bots policy or just comment on it? Your comment has been converted to a support vote while this might not be what you intended.

There is further discussion on the talk page of this proposed policy. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:52, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

More meant as a voting is evil but i like the idea style comment, but feel free to reformat it in whatever way is useful. Bawolff 08:43, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

RE: {{Howdy-anon}}

Thanks. Anonymous101talk 07:55, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Feeling Bored

You dont feeling bored while contributing to Wikinews again and again . Will you tell me if is there any kind of money or reward we gaining by contributing to this site or just waisting our time.-- 14:21, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

There is no monetary reward, however its not boredom (trust me, I have lots of things to do that are not-wikinews related, which i should probably do more of over wikinews). I personally find contributing very rewarding, And that is because i do things that I enjoy. You'll notice if you go through my contributions that most of what I do is not writing articles—I am personally not the greatest writer, and don't really enjoy that. However there are many things here that I do enjoy doing. There is also the reward of seeing something you do appreciated by others, and seeing what you do is seen by other people. For example, While we were publishing Chris Benoit mystery editor confesses: Claims "terrible coincidence", it was an extremely exciting time to be on #wikinews, as we could really tell that what we did affect the world in some small way. It may be rather insignificant in the grand scheme of things, but its cool to see something you helped create being talked about by a great many people around the world. [that paticular article was cited by many other news sources, including some major ones] Really its pretty similar to why be involved in any other wiki, or (I assume) open source type project. Bawolff 14:33, 25 December 2008 (UTC)


I, User:Florentino Floro, share and bestow upon Bawolff this Wiki New Year cookie for consistently writing excellent articles on Wikinews

User:Florentino Florotalk has given you a Wiki New Year cookie! Cookies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cookie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy munching!
Spread the goodness of cookies by adding this Cookie to their talk page with a friendly message.

Thanks so much. I just have the luxury of TIME that most of you who are employed do not have. Happy Holidays.--Florentino Floro (talk) 06:47, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


Toolserver is one really bureaucratic place (don't quote me publicly! ;) ). I forgot my ssh-key password and I still didn't get access there again (I sent new key). So, I'll make one server functional for Wikimedia purposes in the company where I am working; and I'll move my cron tools there. I hope that I'll finish everything in a week or two (including adding new Wikinews editions). --millosh (talk) 12:08, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Also, I have new major version of statistics bot... I think that I'll turn it on instead of fixing the previous version. --millosh (talk) 12:09, 16 January 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for your message. It is really headache for the peer viewer to see tons of sources. I had shared my mind and suggestions(put the tons of sources on the articles' talk pages instead if more than 5)[31] Cheers.--Florentino Floro (talk) 10:20, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I need a bit of help

I'll be getting off for the night but I wanted to know if you could help me with some pages tommorow?(RIP Jeff)[[User:Gears of War|<font face="Lightning" size="2.0" color="#7D0008"> '''Gears'''</font>]][[User talk:Gears of War|<font face="Lightning" size="2.3" color="#7D0008"> '''of War'''</font>]] '''2''' (talk) 06:39, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't know if I'll be online tommorow, but if I am here, I'll help however I can. Bawolff 06:50, 20 January 2009 (UTC) p.s. Please see w:Wikipedia:Fix your signature

Thanks & some questions

Thanks for you help on some of my articles to date.....i must admit i question some people views but that is the wonder of such a public forum and community....maybe im just more used to writing editorial for commercial publications where the more one sides the better :)

Seriously....appreciate the help

I have an article in development / prepare that i want to delete....what is the magic command in wiki for "delete sesame"

[responded on user's talk]. Bawolff 06:18, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


Thanks, I missed adding that one as well. Cirt (talk) 22:13, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

no problem. Bawolff 22:16, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer

Well relating to your answer, everything looks justified, well in that case i would like you to delete all the articles written under that name with other alias too. Thanks again for clarifying me. Syedatif (talk) 07:28, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Glad i could clear things up. I believe all your articles have already been deleted. Bawolff 07:33, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Confirmation of vote

This is a message to let you know that I've confirmed the vote: --Sigma 7 (talk) 17:15, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. Bawolff 04:19, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Business Communications Manager

Hello. I noticed that you are active today. Since you are an administrator, could you please delete this non-news article? Thank you. -- ♪TempoDiValse♪  00:37, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Caught me just in time, I was just about to leave. :) - Its deleted now. Thanks. Bawolff 00:42, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Diamond Bar


CAN YOU HELP MAN THIS IS SERIOUS!!!??? Newser (talk) 05:53, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


Thank you for clearing the sandbox. SriMesh | talk 22:41, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Your welcome. Bawolff 22:44, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

DPL for OR

I am trying to do a Wikimania 2009 presentation. I was wondering if you can make a DPL that would organize all the OR we have into tallies for each year...aka a DPL for 2004's OR, 2005's OR. I need a total count of OR articles from each year WN has been active, including this year. Is that possible? Let me know what if anything that can be done. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 11:19, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Not really possible with DPL. Probably doable with the api though. I'll look into it when i have the chance. Bawolff 03:15, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks :) DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 03:30, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Only counting things in the main ns (theres some talk pages with that cat that i'm not counting)
  • Bear in mind this is approximate, and could have errors. In paticular, if the category timestamp was changed after the fact (The OR category was removed and re-added, or, if the article got moved [this is fixed now, but in the past that'd change the timestamp]. Usually this would happen when an article is substantially vandalized (blanked, or replaced). However, archiving usually stops this from causing such things to happen between years.)
    • There's probably a more precise way of doing this based on date categories, but its much more complicated.
  • I have no idea when the or template/category came into use. its possible older OR articles weren't tagged.
  • First OR article: Conference discusses the credibility of blogs - 2005-07-02T04:39:13Z
  • 2004: 0
  • 2005: 224 (between: 2005-07-02T04:39:13Z to 2005-12-30T20:19:52Z)
  • 2006:418 (between 2006-01-02T06:14:28Z and 2006-12-30T19:04:15Z)
  • 2007: 473 (between 2007-01-02T23:49:49Z and 2007-12-27T16:21:08Z)
  • 2008: 417 (between 2008-01-01T07:31:14Z and 2008-12-30T15:49:37Z)
  • 2009 (up to 06:04, 17 March 2009 (UTC) as year not done yet): 36 (between 2009-01-10T00:29:35Z and 2009-03-17T00:14:58Z)

The following pages were not counted, as they are not in the main namespace:

<cm ns="2" title="User:Sj/EmTech" timestamp="2005-09-28T19:41:13Z"/>
<cm ns="4" title="Wikinews:Template messages/General" timestamp="2006-01-03T05:42:45Z"/>
<cm ns="10" title="Template:Katrina college list bottom" timestamp="2006-01-03T05:55:04Z"/>
<cm ns="1" title="Talk:Donald Tusk leads in 1st Round of Poland's Presidential Election; 2nd Round will take place on 23rd October" timestamp="2006-01-03T05:56:46Z"/>
<cm ns="4" title="Wikinews:WikiFootball:Community Help" timestamp="2006-01-29T20:06:06Z"/>
<cm ns="2" title="User:Kokopoko/Article" timestamp="2006-02-19T05:43:38Z"/>
<cm ns="4" title="Wikinews:Story preparation/Wikinews interview with Katelyn Tarver" timestamp="2006-03-11T00:23:29Z"/>
<cm ns="4" title="Wikinews:Transcripts/newPage" timestamp="2006-03-18T03:45:43Z"/>
<cm ns="4" title="Wikinews:Story preparation/Wikinews interview with Christopher Cerf" timestamp="2006-03-25T18:22:29Z"/>
<cm ns="2" title="User:Arthur MacMillan/fhqwgads" timestamp="2006-08-14T11:46:00Z"/>
<cm ns="100" title="Portal:Original reporting" timestamp="2006-09-25T05:45:49Z"/>
<cm ns="2" title="User:Edbrown05/Evictions thwart rowdy party goers’ plans at South Carolina beach resort" timestamp="2007-06-18T05:34:57Z"/>
<cm ns="1" title="Talk:Peace activists propose 'Fast for Freedom'" timestamp="2007-08-30T22:53:05Z"/>
<cm ns="4" title="Wikinews:Story preparation/Wikinews interviews Tory Christman, ex-Scientologist and notable critic" timestamp="2008-03-11T08:20:50Z"/>
<cm ns="2" title="User:Brianmc/Wikinews questions Senior Counterterrorism Counsel of HRW on Camp Delta and more" timestamp="2008-03-18T21:12:04Z"/>
<cm ns="4" title="Wikinews:Story preparation/2008-09 Bundesliga: Matchday 1" timestamp="2008-07-01T14:39:02Z"/>
<cm ns="4" title="Wikinews:Story preparation/Wikinews interviews: Maddy Prior" timestamp="2008-10-17T18:22:34Z"/>
<cm ns="4" title="Wikinews:2005/June" timestamp="2009-01-20T20:31:25Z"/>
<cm ns="4" title="Wikinews:2005/June/11" timestamp="2009-01-20T20:31:25Z"/>
<cm ns="4" title="Wikinews:2005/June/12" timestamp="2009-01-20T20:31:25Z"/>
<cm ns="4" title="Wikinews:2005/June/14" timestamp="2009-01-20T20:31:26Z"/>
<cm ns="4" title="Wikinews:2005/June/16" timestamp="2009-01-20T20:31:26Z"/>
<cm ns="4" title="Wikinews:2005/June/18" timestamp="2009-01-20T20:31:26Z"/>
<cm ns="4" title="Wikinews:2005/June/19" timestamp="2009-01-20T20:31:26Z"/>
<cm ns="4" title="Wikinews:Story preparation/Jimmy Wales discusses Wikipedia's Flagged Revisions proposal with Wikinews" timestamp="2009-02-02T15:03:39Z"/>
<cm ns="4" title="Wikinews:Original reporting" timestamp="2009-03-14T06:11:46Z"/>
<cm ns="14" title="Category:Interview" timestamp="2009-03-14T06:19:00Z"/>

Hope that helps. Bawolff 06:04, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

WOW...thanks so much! Yes...I now have the slide done that I have been dreading. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 22:15, 17 March 2009 (UTC)


Update: Looks like it is working pretty well already at en.wikipedia - how much longer do you want to wait before reconsidering support? :P Cirt (talk) 11:49, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I'd prefer to wait a week or two to see if any major issues develop. However as long as we're not using it to autoblock people, I don't have strong opinions. Bawolff 03:00, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Waiting a week certainly sounds reasonable. Cirt (talk) 05:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)


Thanks man, these are perfect! And as you can see, I'm already putting them to use! lol. Thanks again! Hunter Kahn (talk) 16:21, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Glad to be of assistance. Bawolff 02:29, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Pennsylvania lost 41,000 jobs in February, a 13-year high

Thanks, I responded! Hunter Kahn (talk) 13:28, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

User:Tempodivalse/Writing contest

Hi! I'm sending out this message to all our active contributors. Just wanted to let you know that the writing competition discussed at the water cooler has now been started. The deadline for registration is March 31st, in case you wanted to join. Thanks. Tempo di Valse ♪ 18:45, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite, but, as you may or may not have noticed, I don't actually do all that much constructive things around here, so i probably won't join. Bawolff 19:09, 20 March 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for letting me know, I fixed it. — Hunter Kahn (contribs) 05:18, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


Hi! I've nominated you for bureaucratship. Please indicate whether you accept the nomination at the nomination page. Thanks, tempodivalse 17:56, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


I 'm so Thanks for the answer! You help me a lot!

Smile.png Vitorbraziledit talk 15:50, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Glad i could help. Bawolff 20:31, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Help Search, Templates and {{TalkBack}}

Hiya. I've been sent your way to ask if there's an equivalent, in wikinews, to wikipedia's {{talkback}} template. Would you know? Also, and I may be impatient or unobservant, I couldn't see a list of templates in wikinews, nor a Help Search facility? Best regards, Trafford09 (talk) 13:20, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Responded on users talk. Bawolff 23:27, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


I, Brian, acting upon the advice and consent of the Cable of Wikinews Incorporated hereby promote you to the rank of bureaucrat of the Wiki! Congard!! Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 21:36, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

So, do i get a nicer car? :P. Bawolff 21:56, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
As a member Wikinews Cable Inc you receive access to our Learjet, to jet to the scene of breaking news :) Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 11:05, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Also thank you to everyone who voted for me. Bawolff 21:56, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations! Cirt (talk) 02:11, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Ditto. Smile.png tempodivalse 02:14, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Your user page

I've indef semi'd it, along with a move protection, because I think it's been defaced too often by vandals. Hope you don't mind. (If you don't want the page to be protected, just revert me.) tempodivalse 13:43, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

yep, thats fine - thanks. Bawolff 20:20, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Aurora Borealis caused by electrical space tornadoes

Thank you for your comment and observation, and it did improve the article. This has been resolved now I think.SriMesh | talk 18:22, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Re templates e.g. talkback

Hiya. Thx for your info. re the templates. Trafford09 (talk) 10:08, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Water cooler

Can you answer me here?

Thanks! Vitorbraziledit talk 03:05, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Re:Transclusions at the wc

No problem, I'm fine with it. Now that the wc has been archived, it's much easier to load the page. Thanks for all the archiving. Smile.png Tempodivalse [talk] 22:28, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

yeah, it can really get long when the archiving gets behind. Bawolff 22:29, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikinewsie wiki

Skinning the Wiki. If we want to do a quick and dirty import of a skin/CSS to differentiate the wiki from Wikinewsie, what would be the fastest way to do this?

P.S. you're now sysop/bureaucrat on the wiki and may have to handle user requests as I've disabled account creation for non-sysops. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

cool! - As for skin, the current thing looks fine to me. (other options is basically steal from meta:Wikinews design contest) Bawolff 23:55, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Current bookjive would be better if the namespace descriptions were properly shown at the top of the page. The other big headache I have is that I've secured it so anons can only access a whitelisted set of pages (like main_page and special:userlogin). I'd like to whitelist an entire namespace - "Public:". I see this as a way to replace the never completed reporter profiles on the wikinewsie main page and - hopefully - embarass people into filling something out. --Brian McNeil / talk 00:14, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Hmm. What do you mean by namespace descriptions? for per namespace restrictions - mw:Extension:NamespacePermissions or mw:Extension:Lockdown might be what your looking for. The other way you could go about doing it is to have some sort of bot look at the specific pages in the namespace in question, and copy them to plain html files somewhere else in the server at regural intervals. That would bypass mediawiki entirely, which doesn't seem to be exactly designed with security in mind (based on all the warnings). (but otoh its ugly and more complicated) Bawolff 01:17, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikinews:Water cooler/proposals#Social bookmarking of Wikinews articles

I'm looking at this and thinking we could do virtually all of it without an extension. Most of the bookmarking links could be built in wikicode and I'd guess you can do something with the site .js/.css to suppress the external link graphic and make the bookmark page open in a new window/tab. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:46, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Yep most definitly do-able. responded more fully on the water cooler. Bawolff 22:57, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
I think we're down to the last step - which is to get the popup working reliably. I disagree with DragonFire1024 on 'new tab' as, at least for facebook, the popup will auto close when you've used it.
Added a comment about using a name other than "_blank" for the window name - I had problems and suspect this was the cause, see discussion for comments.
I really want to get this on {{publish}} in the next couple of days. I think having it on old articles is worthwhile; I've often seen on the BBC's list of 'most shared' older news that is tangentially related to current stuff. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:23, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
I don't think _blank is the issue- more that originally it was only enabled on the template page. it should work everywhere now. See my comment on the water cooler. Bawolff 07:30, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


Please see my comment, but really all it is that Twitter will automatically shorten the URLs. See Calebrw (talk) 02:23, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

H1N1 article

Thank you :) --Kattekrab (talk) 07:28, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

your welcome. Bawolff 07:30, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Bombing of Peshawar Pearl Continental kills 11

I'm sorry you don't feel for those poor dead folks and their families. To say that this horrible tragic event is meaningless and unimportant is WRONG. It sickens me that you would make comments like that.

I'll take that under consideration. Bawolff 02:52, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


Please see Template_talk:Howdy#MediaWiki:Welcomecreation. Your input on some CSS is requested. Calebrw (talk) 23:11, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


Please take a look at Template_talk:Popular_articles#Discrepency_between_FF_and_Safari.2FIE. Thanks, Calebrw (talk) 23:34, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Norwegian military security agency accused of conducting illegal surveillance of PM

It'd appear [32] shoved it to the top of new stories. Any ideas why? Computerjoe's talk 22:58, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

[responding on computerJoe's talk page]. Bawolff 22:59, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Replies there. Computerjoe's talk 17:14, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

from Computerjoe's talk

Norweigian article going to top of dpl's

This is due to how DPL's work. DPL orders things by the date that {{publish}} was added to the article (it ignores the date in {{date}} in all but a few specialized pages. Things like template:Latest news being the exception). The vandal removed the publish template, in essence depublishing it. When i reverted the vandal this re-added {{publish}}. The dpl treats this as me republishing the article, and uses the date that i reverted the vandal as the date the article was published instead of the original publish date. Bawolff 23:02, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

This is sub-optimal. Any way the DPL can look at sighted revisions only? --SVTCobra 23:15, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
[repeating what I said on irc in case someone else is reading this and is curious] In short I have no idea. Currently I believe dpl looks at the category links table which is basically a table of the page (number) the category it links to, and the date the category link was made. I don't know if there is some equivelent way of doing it for sighted revs (If i was to geuss, i'd say probably not efficiently, but it'd be a question to ask the devs). Bawolff 23:39, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Who would fix this? Computerjoe's talk 21:43, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
a dev. i don't know which one though. Generally we file a bug and hope it gets fixed. from what i understand flagged revs doesn't really keep track of categories, so i don't know if such a fix is likely (OTOH i am not a dev, and do not really know how these things work, so i most definitly could be wrong on that point).As an alternativive, perhaps it might be possible to sort based on day first sighted or something. Bawolff 05:12, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


Hi, thanks you by the good news :). I have a question: How I make my bot update interwikies in locked pages?. Currently my bot doesn't update the interwikies in old pages because there are protected and -obviously- my bot doesn't has the sysop right. In es.wikinews we have a special permission "editor de prensa", which had rights to edit these pages. Do you have some idea? Superzerocool (talk) 02:56, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

No, unfortunately we have no such user group (we have Wikinews:Editor but they can't edit locked pages). Only sysops are able to edit archived pages. Tempodivalse [talk] 03:02, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
It was suggested on the water cooler at one point, but was not implemented due to lack of interest. If there is interest in it, it is my understanding that with community concencuss its just a bugzilla request away. Currently we just make such bots sysOps. (Put a request on WN:RFP under the normal request for admin rights section. bear in mind however, just because it would be useful for an interwiki bot to have the flag doesn't mean it will automatically get it. In the past the community has been a little touchy about interwiki bots, so no guarantees such a request would be successful, but thats the way to go about getting your bot sysop flagged. In any case it doesn't hurt to try.). Bawolff 04:11, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I will consider do a request in WN:RFP to my bot. :)... Superzerocool (talk) 05:35, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Bot discussion

As someone listed as having an active bot I would like to draw your attention to the following issue. This may not affect you unless your bot edits sighted pages - eg in the Template namespace - but as a bot operator your input is likely to be better informed. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:37, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Google news problem

Hi, I noticed that DRAFT copies of articles are also finding their way into results (before they've been properly vetted) and hence mirror sites may use defective copy if they scour this content (eg may be a copypaste). I can't see a way of adding this comment to the water cooler, so I'll post it here. Please feel free to copy this text elsewhere as appropriate or point others here:

I run an Apache web server and (fwiw) I have a few lines of defence against this sort of thing:

  • edit robots.txt in the web document root to exclude all user agents (crawlers and bots) from indexing certain pages and specific problematic user agents from indexing any pages. You can use a pattern match with some user agents like google, but not others. This works for those user agents that don't simply choose to disregard robots.txt.
  • if that fails, I can set up pattern-based rules in my Apache security module to do things like redirect the browser or crawler to another page (301), issue a page not found (404) or a forbidden (403) response; etc.
  • I can also use rewrite rules in the web server configuration to change the web address so that only my preferred addresses are reached eg changing "" (which can lead to penalties for duplicated content) to", and so forth. Google also recognizes "rel=canonical" to suggest the address they should use when indexing content.
  • if all else fails, I can block specific ip addresses altogether.
  • and occasionally emails work, though they tend to be simply ignored, for example when an algorithm in msnbot had it requesting a fresh copy of my newsfeed every 20 seconds and ignoring my server's response of "not modified" (304).

Hope this is of use. Esowteric | Talk 09:42, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I have moved the copy of this comment that was on the water cooler talk into the existing discussion on the technical section. I see no evidence to back up the assertion that Google News is indexing unpublished main namespace articles. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:00, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


I have posted a question there. Thanks. Calebrw (talk) 18:25, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Peer review


Would you mind doing a peer review for an article I've just written? The link is below.

Link: Scandal erupts after U.S. President Barack Obama fires Inspector General Gerald Walpin

Thanks! --WNewsReporter (talk) 06:59, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Someone has already reviewed it before i read this. Bawolff 19:45, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


Hi Bawolff-I think I'm right in saying you're the guy to talk to re. the ticker. On my userpage, I would like it all to be white so it shows up properly-any chance you can tell me how to do that? It's really cool by the way, well done! Cheers! Dottydotdot (talk) 17:28, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Responded on user's talk page. Bawolff 19:45, 18 June 2009 (UTC)




Notice of Appreciation

The irony of giving you your own barnstar! Thanks for doing that for me! Dottydotdot (talk) 20:17, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

lol, your welcome. Bawolff

Wikinews interviews former Republican U.S. Senator Bob Smith on his latest run for office


Would you mind doing a peer review for the article above?

Thanks. --WNewsReporter (talk) 05:57, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

DPL parameter checking

Hello Bawolff,
I noticed that you corrected the DPL parameter error I found. I installed a complete copy of enwikinews on my local PC and tried the migration from old DPL to the latest DPL version. This helped me to find some errors in the current use of old DPL. For instance the "orcer=" problem affects also the UK template. As you have looked after the US template I would appreciate if you could care for the others as well. (most of the templates are protected so I can't do it myself).

My general feeling is that the new version is just as fast as the old one - but this should better be checked by a person who looks after the current installation of enwikinews. The sources of the new version are already in the "extensions" directory of the server (as they are in the mediawiki subversion system). So the only thing that is needed would be to include in 'LocalSettings.php' the following lines:

  1. require_once( "$IP/extensions/DynamicPageList/DynamicPageList.php" ); // to be activated later
 require_once( "$IP/extensions/DynamicPageList/DynamicPageListMigration.php" );
 ExtDynamicPageList::setFunctionalRichness(2);   // my suggestion for the beginning
 ExtDynamicPageList::$maxResultCount = 500;      // this is also the default, it can be adjusted as needed; of course
                                                 // the DPL statements themselves will normally use a much smaller limit
 ExtDynamicPageList::$respectParserCache = true; // default is false, but for a frequently used site 'true' is better
                                                 // results will only be calculated once per day or on explicit demand

With these settings the new DPL version will be installed in __parallel__ to the existing old one. By changing the 'DynamicPageList' tag in a page __temporarily__ to 'Intersection' you can try out the new version on a per-page base. So you do not create big trouble if something goes wrong. Note: the 'DynamicPageList' tag should be changed to 'intersection' and then only the PREVIEW function of Mediawiki should be used. The page itself should not be modified.

Once a couple of pages have passed this test the migration can be completed by switching to the normal 'require_once' statement (which in the first step was commented out). The 'require_once( .. migration ..) is no longer needed and must be deleted or commented out. The require_once( .. intersection ..) for the old version must also be deleted or commented out. All this (and much more) is extensively described in the documentation of the new DPL.

If I can be of any help let me know.

Algorithmix (talk) 07:31, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Non-wiped hard drives carry U.S. defence contract information in electronic waste sent to Africa to be recycled

Changed as per your feed back on the talk page. Cannot go further with the computer scientist quote, as I am not a computer scientist myself, but if there is one on WN, maybe they can add more regarding your concern. I have to stay within the data presented in the news articles myself. SriMesh | talk 05:38, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Looks better now. Bawolff 06:24, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


I don't want to review my own edits, which are unfortunately interspersed with others that are in need of review here. In light of the comments on both its talk and comments pages, and the current viewing statistics for it, the stable version of this article is in need of update sooner rather than later, I suspect. ☺ Uncle G (talk) 05:56, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Looks like Calebrw has reviewed it. Bawolff 06:24, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


What's the protocol for a user like this-Special:Contributions/Hotuyl? Dotty••| 11:01, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

About Me Section

What do you think about this-Talk:Main_Page#near_the_bottom? Cheers!   Dotty••   07:37, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for answering & reverting the vandalism on my page. How sad.   Dotty••   08:30, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

re-flag option just added to newsroom

Is there some way for this to automatically pull up the review for the listed page? I flagged an old version of an article to try it, it comes up with the dialogue where you have to enter the article name.

Of course... You may still be working on this. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:53, 7 July 2009 (UTC)


Hello, I'm an admin on French Wikinews and I want to update the ticker on the French Main Page. I imported the necessary content (I think) but the French template Ticker has a problem; the news are on another line. Could you help me find the problem plz? I don't find the bug Template:=(. Thank you, --Sniff (talk) 23:52, 20 July 2009 (UTC) You can respond here if you want.

There's a missing } in fr:mediawiki:Common.css. I responded in more detail on your fr talk page. Bawolff 00:20, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
OMG! It's only this minor error Template:O o ... Thank you for the help, this template will be a Template:+ for my new Main Page Smile.png --Sniff (talk) 02:08, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, it always seems to be the tiny errors that are the hardest to find. Good luck with your main page re-design. Bawolff 20:15, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Thank you Bawolff, you resolved the big problem that I had for the new Main page, it is almost ready now Template:;) Bests regards, --Sniff (talk) 18:02, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Glad to be able to help. Let me know if there's anything else i can do. Bawolff 18:43, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


Can you please add instructions, at MediaWiki talk:Gadget-easyPeerReview.js? Thank you, Cirt (talk) 01:21, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Its not really done, and might not work, but instructions have been added. Cheers. Bawolff 01:28, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
I think all you have to do is save importScript('MediaWiki:Gadget-easyPeerReview.js') to your own Monobook page like any other. --SVTCobra 01:32, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
I've turned it into a gadget, as it should mostly work at this point. Just click it in special:Preferences. I'd appreciate any feedback. Bawolff 02:32, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Seems to have some errors and isn't really working for me, reports of an edit conflict when there is none. Cirt (talk) 04:51, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Also got this message:

A local JS function experianed an error on an API request. Please leave a note at the Wikinews:Water_cooler. Details: [object Error] <undefined:undefined>

Not sure what all that is about... :P Cirt (talk) 04:55, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Hmm. Out of curiosity, what web browser are you using? I should stress this has not been tested at all yet, and as such, such errors and issues have not been worked out yet. (btw, the error in question indicates that something bad happened during a request to the wikinews api. Its a problem with the script. Don't actually report it to the water cooler.) Bawolff 06:22, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
The specific problem you mentioned seemed to be cause by internet explorer not supporting the hasAttribute method of xml dom elements. (This same issue was also present in the code that determines if the opinion namespace tab should be red or blue). That specific issue should be fixed, however it is quite possible there are others (in fact i would be very suprised if there were not other issues)

Not sure what browser the above error was in - but I just tried again in Firefox and it seems to have worked for adding the review to the talk page - but did not do the other steps. Got the same edit conflict javascript message pop up, and also this:

A local JS function experianed an error on an API request. Please leave a note at the Wikinews:Water_cooler. Details: TypeError: page is undefined <253:>

Cirt (talk) 20:03, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok, i think i got that one, however there are undoubtedly still other issues. Bawolff 04:54, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Again, just reviewed one - it still allows me to post the review to the talk page, but the script does not do any other steps, and still gives an "edit conflict" message. Also it gives this error message at the end:

A local JS function experianed an error on an API request. Please leave a note at the Wikinews:Water_cooler. Details: TypeError: page is undefined <253:>

Cirt (talk) 22:55, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Hmm i think your using a cached version of the script, since i fixed the problem with page being undefined, and line 253 is now a comment, so there shouldn't be any errors on that line. (however the detecting of an edit conflict is probably an issue still at large should be fixed). Try doing a hard refresh sometime before the next time you use it. Thanks for all the feedback, I really appreciate it. Bawolff 23:00, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks very much for your work on this very useful tool. Cirt (talk) 23:20, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Archiving script

Could you make a script for admins to archive articles? It would give an option to full-protect indef the article, and then add {{archived}} below the {{publish}} tag. Thoughts? Cirt (talk) 04:53, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I definitly think such a script would be a good idea. Not sure when i will get a chance to do it though, as I'm going to be away again starting next week. Bawolff 06:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
On French Wikinews, the admin Grondin has a bot (GrondinBot) to archive and protect the published articles after one week. Best regards, --Sniff (talk) 18:02, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
This would not be a bot, but rather a semi-automated script, to make it easier for individual people to do. Cirt (talk) 20:04, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
I wouldn't make it "too easy". Articles still need to be looked over. I am still finding spelling errors, etc. when I archive. --SVTCobra 05:00, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
A script could however potentially reduce the number of clicks required to the tasks that cannot be automated. Bawolff 05:12, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

re: Easy peer review

Yes, it worked well. Thanks very much! Cirt (talk) 10:42, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Fxmastermind (talk) 16:42, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Rename request

Could you please rename my account to Christianrocker90 as part of my Global rename?-- † CM16 t c 21:19, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Done Actually Wikinews:Changing username is the proper venue for this, but I don't think it makes much difference. Tempodivalse [talk] 21:49, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, Idin' know that existed or I would have done it there.-- † CR90 (talk) 22:32, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Easy peer review feedback

Hi Bawolff. Just wanted to let you know I've tried your easy peer review widget for the first time today, and I have to say it's excellent. It's much more efficient than manually pasting all the templates and sighting the page. seems to be pretty much bug-free as far as I could tell, i.e. it added all the templates in the correct locations and the dialog box looked good. Thanks for creating such a useful gadget. Cheers, Tempodivalse [talk] 14:19, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Seconded. Just one comment: it doesn't seem to recognize the {{breaking review}} template. –Juliancolton | Talk 14:21, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Thirded-just tried it, very useful! Should they be defaulted to pass?   Tris   16:16, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Although, it didn't seem to sight that one? Hmmm...I'll check.   Tris   16:18, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Also, the widget doesn't seem to recognise {{source-pr}} and places the publish template above it instead of below it like it does with {{source}}. Tempodivalse [talk] 16:20, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Just got this-A local JS function experianed an error on an API request. Please leave a note at the Wikinews:Water_cooler. Details: badtoken: Invalid token <undefined:undefined> although it seemed to work alright?   Tris   22:57, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
  • One other note - it appears the widget sights the penultimate version of a page when adding {{publish}}, but not the last one, which results in the article not immediately going live until it's manually sighted. Tempodivalse [talk] 23:04, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
I fixed the issues with breaking review, and various source templates not being recognized (may need to do a hard refresh). The sighting penultimate revision should not happen (It fallsback to the penultimate revision if it can't figure out the current revision) and i'm not sure why thats happening at the moment.I'm also not sure what Tris's issue with having a badtoken is about (however if it has a bad token it should not be able to edit anything at all) - which browser were you using when that happened? Bawolff 22:56, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
I think i figured out why its sighting the wrong revision, but havn't fixed it yet. Bawolff 01:53, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
It should sight the correct revision now. You may have to do a hard refresh to get the changes. Bawolff 17:39, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
  • I've found one other minor problem with the widget: it appears to add two spaces after the publish tag, when usually only one should be inserted. I don't know if you can fix that? Great job, in any case. Cheers Tempodivalse [talk] 17:34, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Comment In creating the final sighted and published version of the article the gadget should place the {{publish}} template immediately before the categories, with one blank line before it, and no blank lines between it and the categories. Good tool, but in dissent from above suggestions I would not have the gadget default to pass for options. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:48, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Actually, it defaults to fail. Cirt (talk) 17:50, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Everyone is having so much fun attacking Bawolff's talk page, I thought I'd join in too. HIIIIII BAWOLFF!!!!! WAASSSUPPP DUDE?! --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 17:58, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
    • Hi Shak! I fixed the problem with {{ready}}. The {{publish}} issue I'll look into later. Bawolff 14:44, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Can I make another request? Can the EPR update the {{date}} headline to make sure it is today (UTC)? We've recently run across a more than a few articles that were misdated because people forget to check/edit that with the easy system (I'm guilty too). Thx --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 23:07, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
    Another note - the gadget seems to be malfunctioning ever after the devs did their last mediawiki update. The auto-sight feature doesn't work any more, and I get an error message after reviewing. Could you take a look at this when you get a chance? Thanks Tempodivalse [talk] 21:46, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
What was the error? Bawolff 22:26, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
I can't remember now, but it had to do something with API. Tempodivalse [talk] 22:34, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Nevermind i found it (assuming it was a 'syncerror'). Its not my fault. I've filled bugzilla:20705. Manually sight articles until its fixed. Bawolff 22:52, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Aaron fixed it. Bawolff 02:01, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. Tempodivalse [talk] 02:04, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
FYI, I noticed you put the "Make a Lead" thing in to EzPR. I pop'd up a bit saying something like "do you want to make this a lead" but before I could do anything it rolled over to an error message: --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 21:47, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
A local JS function experianed an error on an API request. Please leave a note at the Wikinews:Water_cooler. Details: unknownerror: Unknown error:  ``$1 <233:>
Thats an error message directly from the api. Since i'm not getting it on my browser, probably means there is a bug somewhere in js sending wrong info in some circumstance. Not sure what cause is as of yet. Bawolff 23:51, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Science and technology output query

Quick query - do you know how to make a page Wikinews:Wikinews Importer Bot/Science and technology Today-1, modeled after Wikinews:Wikinews Importer Bot/Today-1, to only output articles that are included in Category:Science and technology? Cirt (talk) 00:20, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I have fiddled with it to try to use DPL so we don't have to use a bot for it, but it looks like it is not working properly yet to display the articles. Cirt (talk) 12:26, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
I tried going back that many days in show preview, but there was still zero output for articles listed. Perhaps you could try fiddling with the code for the page? Cirt (talk) 18:22, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


This barnstar is in appreciation of your excellent Easy Peer-Review widget. Thanks much! Smile.png Tempodivalse [talk] 18:00, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. I will proudly display this on my userpage. Bawolff 17:55, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
I just want to say that I second this barnstar. Just tried it out and it worked great. Calebrw (talk) 03:49, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. Bawolff 03:50, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Need for javascript trickery

Please see Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#New_users_unaware_of_rules, particularly the subsection containing proposed changes to Common.js. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:47, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

All hail the mighty JS master

I need your help. I'm trying to make MediaWiki:Gadget-UserMessages.js work here on Wikinews. I never leave talk page messages and it's bad form... but my excuse is that Wikinews has different template names that I always forget.... Anyways. I stole it directly from Commons:MediaWiki:Gadget-UserMessages.js. I changed it to be only 2 test templates instead of the 33 they have... but it doesn't work. The toolbox entries are inserted when on a user talk page, if you click them they prompt (or not) properly. But when they reload the page into edit mode, nothing happens. Specifically there is no edit summary, new text in the page nor does it save. I assume there is _something_ missing, but I don't know JS well enough. Thanks! --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 23:10, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

looking. Bawolff 00:47, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
should be fixed now. I must say I'm not a fan of commons' style of editing via fake url parameters. seems boderline almost xss to me. (Imagine if someone started spamming/tricking people into clicking the following link . (Or worse if the page name is a protected page like the main page and the target is an admin.) It would create a major mess. Of course the risk is limited since everything can be reverted, and only people who purposefully enable the gadget will have it enabled, but still, kind of scary). Bawolff 02:20, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
I was wondering where the hell the links to insert these templates with the gadget were, the toolbox seems rather inconvenient and out of the way. Is it possible to add them to the dropdown list of options on vector? Not as a full list of all the possible templates, but as "Add default notification template>" leading to a sub-menu of all the available templates. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:47, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
I agree, that would be better. Another alternative i was also thinking of was having a section under the toolbox called notify or something (but i like the idea of putting it in the action menu more). The current system of 10 million links in the toolbar is rather ugly. Bawolff 13:04, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Which leads me to ask... On a talk page there's an "Add comment" option. Can this be used? Ideally, if you've not selected the gadget it is exactly as currently with vector. If you've added the gadget it displays a list of options when you hover over it. The type of templates it would offer then depending on the type of talk page (article, user, etc). The thing to then deal with is maintenance of the lists of templates (special pages in I-don't-know-what namespace), and have the user shown a description of the template instead of just assuming you know what it is from the template name. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:59, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Do you mean have a drop down arrow from the add comment tab, with various templates? Bawolff 14:01, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Yes. If no gadget, no dropdown. With gadget, "Add Comment" still works as normal if you click it, but a dropdown displays when you put the mouse over it. Then the list of templates is from an editable page per talk namespace with "template name" and some sort of "description" to better know what clicking on it will produce. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:07, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
That sounds rather cool. I'll try to look into how to make that work sometime soon. Bawolff 14:09, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Assuming you get something like that working and tweaked a bit here, I'd make an effort to bring it to the attention of the usability group - they may see some way to make doing things like this easier with Vector. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:39, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

I've got an initial version of it working. Add var useFancyVectorDropdown = true; to special:mypage/vector.js to make it work (I've already done that for brianmc). It could probably made better so that the dropdown arrow looks more like its attached to edit section. (the gadget in generally could probably made better if it edited using ajax instead of reloading the page). Bawolff 19:06, 18 September 2009 (UTC)


Hi. I was wondering how could I use {{Ticker|speed=1.3}} on my page. Thanks, Gulmammad (talk) 02:05, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

This would require importing the javascript to en wikipedia. This requires permission of an administrator on the english wikipedia. Also note that this would only work with static lists on 'pedia, since DPL is not installed (However you could probably use wikinews headlines via the importer bot)_. Bawolff 02:20, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the explanation. Seems to be not as easy as I thought it would. Gulmammad (talk) 07:03, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


Why are the comments tabs now completely gone? Is this another vector bug? Gopher65talk 02:45, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

You don't see them? That's strange, they work for me. Did you try doing a hard refresh/purge your cache? Tempodivalse [talk] 02:49, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Works for me. I'd say also do a hard refresh. --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 03:25, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
It was another bug. (not so much a bug, as vector fixing the old bug that we were working arround, and changing one of the ids on the div containing the navigation tabs). I made modificatons to the js sometime yesterday, so they should work if you do a hard refresh. Bawolff 12:40, 18 September 2009 (UTC)


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ShakataGaNai ^_^ 19:32, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
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Hi, I've added Category:Statistical templates inside of the Template:Statistics. BTW, new MediaWiki update broke Pywikipediabot and some fixes were needed... --millosh (talk) 23:33, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. yeah, i've heard about the bot breakage. Wikinews importer bot also broke. Bawolff 23:38, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

User:Bawolff/sandbox/makeLead - kicks pages off my watchlist?

How come when I use User:Bawolff/sandbox/makeLead, it kicks the lede subpages I just edited off of my watchlist? Cirt (talk) 15:45, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Thats interesting. It should not do that. I'll look into that. Bawolff 18:54, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
It's still doin it. :P Cirt (talk) 18:45, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Wiktionary lookup tool

Working on a project requested by an fr.wikinews contributor... Xe was asking if it were possible to add a "word lookup" function so people visiting fr.wn (they get a lot of French-as-a-second-language students) could quickly and easily look up unfamiliar terms in wiktionary. The first beta version can be seen at my monobook.js, and it seems to work. There's some more functionality to add - like a 'hover' effect - but I'd like to hear your feedback as the resident guru. - Amgine | t 00:54, 25 September 2009 (UTC) Looks pretty good. I'll be honest, I've never actually used the javascript range api for anything, so I'm not all that familiar with that part of the script, but heres some general feedback:

  • If this is enabled by default, people might not expect doubleclicking to have that affect, thus people might get annoyed by random windows opening for no apperent reason (if this is a gadget, than thats not an issue).
    • I'm personally of the opinion, that if i were to use this, I would prefer a hover affect like you mentioned above rather than double clicking.
  • The word should be escaped. For example double click on User:Bawolff?action=edit or even ../w/api.php . Well that in itself is a bit confusing but harmless, I'm sure someone could come up with something evil to do with that, and just in general the intent is to find a page with that name, not apply the arguments. Also double clicking on a + sign won't work (it should go to ) never mind that does work fine. However something like %2B won't go where you think it should.
    • On that note, punctuation marks should probably be stripped. for example double click on the last word of this sentence.
    • Also, string should probably be made lowercase, or at least de-capitalized if not a proper noun (How to determine what is and is not a proper noun is a good question though). Consider the word Not with a capital n (for example if it was at beginning of sentence) OTOH, most of the time, wiktionary takes care of that on their end.
  • Double click on blank space. On windows this goes to the nearest word. I'm not sure if thats whats intended.
  • The way that you handle events in IE vs moz is a bit confusing at first, but it works, so i geuss thats a matter of taste. However it seems slightly fragile as its concievable that a browser could exist that implements document.all for compatibility with IE, but only implements the standardized event model. I would just make findWord take an argument e, than have the first line of that function be if (!e) e = window.event; and than make it use e for the event object, and split moz and IE by testing for which of the range properties they support. that way its only testing the actual thing, rather than making decesions about which api it supports based on an unrelated thing like document.all[] . However again, its probably just a matter of taste.

Bawolff 18:48, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

  • Determine if - is a valid word seperator. perhaps try both.
  • How to style red links (display none, vs making them red.)

Issue: How to set up gadget in common.js for fr.wn? Lotsa requests about this 24+ hours ago (was gone/busy most of today) - Amgine | t 02:42, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Language xslt

As soon as you have any other xslt ready, I can try to get them set up on the various wiktionaries. I have contacts and/or requests for support for:

Wiktionaries/Languages I'm attempting to contact are:

OK. Unfortunatly this week i'm very busy, and probably won't have very much time to work on this. French translation should now be working (try doing a hard refresh, and then go to some page with ?uselang=fr on the end, double click on stuff, and the definition should be in french. (I forgot to translate the could not find page text though...). Bawolff 10:32, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Whee. Guess what was in pm today? someone wondering if there's going to be a version of this tool for Wordpress. I have no clue how doable that is, but I said you'd mentioned it once in passing and I'd ask you about it. So, is it possible to do this as a tool for Wordpress (or any other blogging software?) - Amgine | t 01:09, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

yes, it is possible. What i'd need to do is copy some of the support functions from wikibits.js into some other js file, and then have wordpress load the script. However the script loading aspect brings up an important question. There are two ways of doing that:
  • Have the blog load the script from the wiki. This is ideal, since i can update the script. However we'd have to make sure the devs are ok with us telling people to hot link to the script. (This seems to be how most people acomplish "add this script to your page" type things).
  • Get the script to be locally hosted by the blog in question. But then we wouldn't be able to update the script.

Bawolff 02:18, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Just asked in IRC:
[1:50pm] Amgine: Question: There's a request to make the wikitionary lookup javascript gadget available for bloggers. The developer wants 
wants to know if devs would oppose hotlinking the script on en.wikinews, which would allow ongoing control/development of the
[1:53pm] Platonides: I don't think there would be a problem
[1:53pm] Platonides: what url is it?
[1:53pm] Amgine: Well, the current script is at
[1:54pm] Amgine: But it's missing a bunch of the wikibits, so it would need to be modified for bloggers.
[1:54pm] Platonides: right, it would need to be modified
[1:56pm] Amgine: Can I post this to the dev?
[1:57pm] Platonides: i'm no sysadmin authority 
[1:58pm] Amgine: <grin> No, I just meant can I log your comments in IRC.
[1:59pm] Platonides: well, if you're asking for permission to repeat that I don't think there would be a problem, you can\
[1:59pm] Platonides: it's probably not too useful...
- Amgine | t 21:00, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Cool :). Bawolff 16:34, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Even cooler! - Amgine | t 15:22, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Good good (now all i have to do is actually do this ;). Bawolff 16:46, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

NL Wikt is now ready to be enabled in the script. I'm also adding a table below to show xslt creation, on wiktionary, and script enabled. - Amgine | t 20:50, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Languages available

  il8n xslt on wikt enabled
Deutsch X      
English X X X X
Français X X X X
Nederlands X X X X
Norsk (bokmål)‬        

Language pokes

DE is translated. DE.wikt admins are ready to add xslt to the site as soon as it's available. - Amgine | t 20:19, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

  • On Español, any language *except* Spanish comes up, all from the English wiktionary, when user's language preference is Español. - Amgine | t 18:45, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
    The same is true if user language preference is English, French. - Amgine | t
  • Japanese looks ready to go! - Amgine | t 16:12, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Its enabled. Bawolff 14:27, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Forgot to mention this

TestPilot (developer of WikiLook for FF) had some suggestions for code, ideas over at the grease pit (WC:Technical on Wiktionary) - Amgine | t 23:14, 18 November 2009 (UTC)


There's something odd with the {{money}} template. See the template talk page for a couple of odd examples. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:37, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

A 'nit' with a lot of the templates you set up is that it would be really nice to see them documented using the {{documentation}} template. This sorts out a lot of issues with categories for the template as interwiki and template categorisation is on the sub-page where it can be left unprotected, or only semi-protected. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:57, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Done Bawolff 19:48, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

User talk messages gadget

What about welcoming an IP, and/or welcoming someone that posted on a comments page? Cirt (talk) 16:46, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Which templates would you like me to add. I know we have {{howdy-anon}}. Do we have any for welcoming someone who posted on comments? Bawolff 17:08, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

I think just these. Cirt (talk) 18:10, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Done. May need to do a hard refresh. Bawolff 18:17, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
I was CC'd on the various comments WRT our default skin change on how Vector is to be improved, there was something about 'collapsing' page tabs - I assumed into the same drop-down as we've added Review. How hard would it be to add another item to that - "User messages...>", hover at it for a drop-down of available templates (but more descriptively than is currently done in the sidebar), and even have a mechanism to enter a parameter to enter when subst-ing the template somewhere? --Brian McNeil / talk 15:26, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Let's call it the WalMartGreeterGadget. :-P --Brian McNeil / talk 15:27, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
I was cc'ed on the bug too. I'd have to see the actual new changes in vector to know. Bawolff 16:43, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Is it possible to make the gadget run off a page in, say, the MediaWiki namespace? With a list of templates and editable descriptions? Some of the current descriptions are not detailed enough to pick the right template for different types of "wrong" contributions.

I also like how you've integrated it into the Vector tabs. Not quite what I'd ideally like, I want this as a single item on the Vector-standard dropdown, which displays a sub-menu containing the template list when you hover over it.

There's also what I consider a bug, but a minor bug. If you go to a user talk page that does not exist, the drop-down to access messages is not offered.

I think, if you implement the above couple of points, you would have an excellent demonstration for the usability group that this feature should be built right into Vector - and a working demo probably explains better than trying to get an idea across. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:10, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Its possible to make it work off a mediawiki page. The problem is that than one would have to download said mediawiki page, which introduces unnessary overhead (This is only since we're doing all this on the client-side. If this was an actual feature of mediawiki, this would all be done on the server-side, and thus there wouldn't be the extra unnessary ajax request to get the mediawiki page describing the templates). The script itself is somewhat a mess (it was stolen from commons, and from the comments, the script at commons was stolen from another script), and theres quite a few aspects of it i don't like. In paticular there is a ton of duplicated (not to mention messy) code, and it could be used in various nefarious ways. (for example to trick an admin into vandalizing a protected page. Somewhere in my talk page there is an example of such a link. The script now only works in user talk namespace, but earlier it could of caused people to edit things like the main page. Ideally this would not use a url to edit.) I'm aware of the bug with non-exisitant talk pages - basically i havn't got arround to fixing it (The issue is a result of the script failing to find the add comment tab). The options are still there, but they are placed below the toolbox. I was looking at putting it as a sub-menu, which should be possible, it would just take more work. The putting it as an additional drop down didn't take very much work because it re-uses all the stuff from the standard drop-down. As for the terse descriptions, I didn't write them, but i think that was a result of people not wanting the drop-down to be too wide. All of them should have tooltips Bawolff 14:22, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Make Lead to 6

It's been previously discussed and wanted to have the main page basically "all leads". Well now that we've got an easy lead switcher (Thanks you to and WN:ML), I figure it's about time to implement that. So can you bump Make Lead to include {{Lead article 5}} & {{Lead article 6}}? They will become the new bottom left and right respectively. Once you add them to make lead, I'll put them onto the Main Page and do some other re-arranges. --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 18:15, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Comment: More leads is one thing, but I like having the list of the articles on the Main Page, in addition to the leads. Cirt (talk) 18:39, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Another Comment:Seconded-I also like Tempodivalse's design a bit more-User:Tempodivalse/mainpage, with the better categories at the top & the removal of the stocks section. It has more leads, but retains two main ones, which I think is a good thing. Maybe we should have a discussion before a change?(although I'm pretty sure there have been some before I came!). We could just do it all on Bawolff's talk as well!   Tris   18:43, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Nah, I'd be more for just added two more leads, 5 and 6, of equal size, below, instead of squeezing smaller ones. Cirt (talk) 18:44, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
List of recent news stays. I'm stealing design elements of Tempo's, but not doing the "main leads" versus "sub leads" thing, basically sticking with what we got now but 6 instead of 4. The main thing we have to keep in mind is user screen size. Tempo's page works great on my 1680x1050 screen, but reduce it back down to 1024x768 and the word "Smooshed" comes to mind. --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 18:49, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Okey dokey, sounds fair nuff! How about the cats at the top & the stocks bit?   Tris   18:52, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Come fight it out on my talk page, leave poor bawolff alone. Oh, and I've got my prototype under construction. --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 18:57, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
From last comment by ShakataGaNai, sounds perfect. :) Cirt (talk) 18:58, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Also, see this post i made on the proposals water cooler - might be best to direct all discussion over there to keep it centralised. Cheers. Tempodivalse [talk] 19:05, 29 September 2009 (UTC)


OOI is there a JS tool for archiving or not?   Tris   17:00, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, there isn't any. Some people use auto-wiki browser to assist with arciving though. Bawolff 17:49, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks anon vs welcome anon

I went to add welcome anon, but it gave thanks anon instead! :( Cirt (talk) 20:45, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Done. That was probably my fault. Bawolff 11:23, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Swap to new system?

Some point in time can we swap to the new lead system so we can rotate the new main page into place? Do you have time in the near future where we can coordinate/do this? Thx. --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 05:21, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Maybe on the weekend. This week is going to be very busy for me. Bawolff 10:22, 6 October 2009 (UTC)


Please review Leader of Indian BJP party visits Navi Mumbai to support candidates for general election. Thank you, Srinivas 05:10, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Feature "Would be nice" (AKA Request)

For WN:ML, on the recent published list, if it could color the stories in use as leads slightly differently from the rest. Though it really is a "would be nice", other features like dealing with {{breaking}} and {{original}} are much more important on the request scale. --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 21:43, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

RE:Indian portal

I am very sorry. I didn't know that. Previously the article which is in No publish was present under Developing Stories but that is not the right place. So do you think the source below Developing stories must be changed from:



notcategory=No publish

??? Anyhows, you have a good signature. Srinivas 06:23, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that sounds good. Cheers. Bawolff 12:39, 13 October 2009 (UTC)


Bawolff: Please see Wikinews:Water_cooler/technical#Bug_Oct._13.2C_2009. Thanks, Calebrw (talk) 15:53, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

RE: {{image source}}

Thanks a lot again. Flagged revs really helps to get our mistakes sorted out. It is not so on enWP. No one warns us if we made a mistake except for vandalisms. Once we get whitelisted, no one warns us of our mistakes. Thus I support for flagged revs on enWiki. What more, your user page has helped me! I found out the link to this template from your user page: {{Editintro from wikipedia}}. Thanks a lot, Srinivas 07:37, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad you found the template useful. (I have no idea how you managed to find that from my userpage... or really anything from my userpage, its a bit of a mess). Cheers. Bawolff 16:35, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

EzReview gadget

Would it be possible to update the gadget to have a third option - "NOT CHECKED" with the user allowed to specify a comment if they select it? There are regularly articles can be failed on one or two points without going to the effort of a full review. So, this would be useful in more quickly highlighting failures on just one or two points. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:11, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

I was actually contemplating that a while ago, but never really did it. Should be do-able. {{peer reviewed}} would have to modified so it recognizes n/a or something similiar to mean not reviewed. I'll put it on my list of things to look into. Bawolff 16:33, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
First step done. A fail with a comment of n/a will be rendered differently by the template. (however thats far from done, as it will still put the fix this stuff tag on the actual article) Bawolff 19:12, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Semi-related, how would you set up a shortcut like WN:MAKELEAD to go into the gadget for lead maintenance directly, as opposed to when reviewing an article? --Brian McNeil / talk 17:28, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
    Nevermind, found it. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:46, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
    • And now had a better idea - if possible - can a "Lead maintenance" link be added in Template:Main page header, but only visible to people with Editor privilege? --Brian McNeil / talk 18:30, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
It could be (or perhaps for people who are autoconfirmed?). However i think it'd make more sense to link from the talk page of the Main page. Bawolff 19:04, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Done ShakataGaNai did it. Bawolff 19:25, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Picture of the Year 2009

Is there going to be a Wikinews Picture of the Year 2009? --Rayboy8 (talk) 22:14, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Good question. Basically if someone wants to organize it (preferably that someone not being me ;)), theres no reason not to have it. Would you be up to the challange of organizing it? Basically all that needs to be done is go through {{News in pictures}} (be wary though, the archives don't have all the photos that were there so use the history), and ask arround on irc if anyone has any other photos they want to include. (just basically copy what happened last year on Wikinews:Picture of the Year, but make the eligability to vote rules much simpler as they were much too complicated last year ). Cheers Bawolff 00:49, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
I could help volunteer to set up a POTY if needed - but isn't it a bit early for this at the moment? It's only mid-October. I'd think we should wait at least until December until setting it up. (We held it in January-February last time, IIRC.) Tempodivalse [talk] 01:02, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Yea, it is a bit early... and hardly any of the pictures are in the archives. PS, not it on the organizing. --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 01:04, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Quick request

Just taking a look at Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals/Archive/18#Changing_vertical_CountryTemplates_to_Horizontal again; the problems of national infoboxes crowding out relevant images is still haunting us - I wonder if I could field your view on how to change things from the {{Canada}} way to the {{Canada-h}} way...? Sherurcij 15:48, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

I assume your referring to the change from the horizontal infobox to the vertical one on Canadian news doesn't interest Prime Minister, prefers to watch American? Basically such things are decided on a per article basis. In many cases the vertical infobox just looks nicer than the horizontal one. In other cases the horizontal one will look nicer. It really depends on the number of images and other floating objects in the article. Bawolff 15:11, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
I agree, if there are no images then we're best to use vertical - if there's an image, best to use horizontal. I was more just fielding for an opinion of how to ensure people realise both options exist. Sherurcij 18:05, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, well thats harder. People realize such templates exist when they see them used, and it is fairly rare that an article has so many pictures that horizontal looks better. Bawolff 23:59, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Usability group

As you might have noticed I set up an account Howie-test for someone who's working with Erik on the Flagged Revs config for enWP. He wanted to see how we'd set it up, feedback on issues we'd had, and so on.

Obviously, I'm going to show off some of Wikinews' cool gadgets and stuff given the opportunity. Spoke to him via Skype last night (with difficulty, I've almost completely lost my voice). Was well-impressed with some of the gadgets, and thought other stuff like the social bookmarking was a great idea.

Probably the first time we've got a chance to put some of your work in front of the usability group. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:48, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Thats awesome. I feel kind of famous. Bawolff 16:24, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Misc question

I'm wondering what's the easiest way to have a tooltip-ish template. This would be for my newsroom header. Lots and lots of short, terse, wikilinks in there and I'd like to have a really small template to use instead of the square brackets for a regular wikilink. Not really sure what, but something like {{plink|<wiki link>|<wikicode to display>|<on-hover tooltip description>...}}.

Quite a few places that would be very useful, and one of the things I found looking for code to copy was someone asking for a tooltip on the "Contact us" bit in the sidebar. Seems was done sometime for monobook, but lost now. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:15, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

MakeLead "hack"

Can you put a "hack" into makelead until we get the Google News listing crap sorted?

  • From article to be made a lead (Story) create and sight a redirect (Story (YEAR-MM-DD)) pointing to the article.
  • Use that in the lead template as where the story is, not the displayed title.

I think that gets everything that goes up as a lead into Google News. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:39, 4 November 2009 (UTC)


Hi, I'm testing my bot putting interwikis, I am monitoring it. I forgot to create the user page here. Best Regards!!! --Ezarate (talk) 20:12, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: {{review}} button

I'm honored that I was the first ^.^. Beautifully easy to use, and takes away the hassle of moving around templates. One of those small improvements that make editing a breeze. Thanks for making it (or to who ever did)! Marx01 Tell me about it 00:32, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Glad you liked it. ShakataGaNai gets the credit for thinking it up. Bawolff 01:17, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Wiktionary Hover - minor bug

If you go to the top-right search box and type enough to get a list of possible options, eg "Special:" you can trigger a double-click launch of the gadget by repeatedly clicking to scroll the displayed list down one item. --Brian McNeil / talk 03:53, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Wow, thats cool. I'll have to think about how to fix that one. Bawolff 20:19, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

NL wiktLookUp issue?

Just getting a rprt in IRC about NL language section returning no definition (but menu/box working) - Amgine | t 22:36, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Update, only when page missing. - Amgine | t 22:37, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

A few latin quotes...

  • TURPICULO PUELLA NASO. - Catulus, poem 41
  • NEMO ASPICIT, QUIN INGEMESCAT. - Cicero, In Vatinium

A few semi-random entries... - Amgine | t 05:38, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Wish-list item for MAKELEAD

I don't know how feasible this is....

An option where an article doesn't have a picture to do a search on Commons for an appropriate image to use instead of the WN logo. [Possibly, to do so and change the existing image to a more-appropriate one.]

No idea what would be best for this - perhaps a preloaded search from names of topical infoboxes or categories the article is in. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:31, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Its certainly a cool idea. In many cases it'd probably be able to geuss a relevant picture better. If an article has no picture, but has an a country infobox, it should geuss [[image:Location<somewhere>.png]]. Bawolff 13:13, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I broke WN:ML this morning - it choked on this,000_for_one_month_of_Internet_use&oldid=913863. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:36, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

AlexandrDimitr reported a similiar error a couple days ago. There's something wrong with the regex that strips templates and images when there is a lot of images and templates at beginning of article. I'll hopefully look into it soon. Bawolff 12:18, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
Yes. I broke it with the UN vs Israel one as well. It wanted to put a "]]" in from one of the images at the top of the article. Regex? It's perverse. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:31, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
It should be fixed. The regex did not like have internal/external links in image captions (for the phone bill article). The UN article the issue was that it didn't recognize a quote character as a letter, and didn't recognize blah blah". to be the end of a sentence. Both should be fixed now. let me know if you find any others. Bawolff 13:20, 19 November 2009 (UTC)


HI Bawolff,

My home base is the Dutch wiktionary and I would like to try to create some intersections between categories there to generate some statistics about the Dutch language, e.g. how many transitive verbs are also reflexives etc. Would you know how I could get that going? I tried to use DynamicPageList locally but it does not seem to compute and I have no idea how to get that option installed.

nl:wikt:Gebruiker:Jcwf (I'd appreciate an answer there, because I never come here.)

Jcwf (talk) 02:46, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

responded at dutch wiktionary. Bawolff 13:13, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks a million, Bawolff. I must admit you answer made my head spin a little, but we do have some people there that might be able to do something with it. I might take you up on your kind offer and bother you some more at some point, though. It isn ot a terribly urgent matter, and we have loads of things to do, but it could become a thing of added value to wiktionary I think. I doubt that the kind of statistics you can generate this way are to be found anywhere.
Thanks again

Jcwf (talk) 15:58, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Easy Peer review


I got this message when trying to submit my review of the Vietnam-Facebook story. It worked the second time I hit submit. Not sure it's that important, but it did say to tell you :p. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 15:39, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Ugh. It means something bad happened (unfortunatly the error message on IE is not very descriptive [due to my fault, IE handles errors differently than moz], so what exactly happened is a good question.) At least it worked the second time. Thank you for telling me. Bawolff 03:56, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Tiger Woods

Yes, I know, but I'm trying to avoid 15 articles being created :) I'm adding stuff as fast as I can type :) Guinness2702 (talk) 20:43, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Ok. Sounds good. Bawolff 20:44, 27 November 2009 (UTC)


Hello Bawolff, I will be grateful to make these changes on French Wikinews, it will be a plus for our project. Also, I think the script has a problem with the images of the articles, sometimes they are displayed and sometimes not. For example, for this article, no image is displayed and the box has a problem with the 250 letters. Thank you very much for your help ! - Sniff (talk) 22:05, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: You edit!

That I do! Hopefully I'll be editing a little more now, but things are calming down outside of the wiki-world. --Thunderhead 04:19, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, i know what you mean - stupid real world ;) Bawolff 18:34, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Wiktionary lookup (pt.wikt)

I've created the page on pt.wikt with this. But, I want to tell you that two links you pointed me don't exist, and I created the page just because en.wikt has one too and, if it's possible, I want to know more about the funcionality of this script. (Do it just let other sites to get definitions? Wich sites?) --Jesielt 05:57, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Bawolff, when I make my interface in potuguese it still give the english wiktionary definition ? Otourly (talk) 11:51, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Hey, thak you for the answer!

Well, we make the "see also section" with a 2 level section at the end of page in two ways:
==Ver também==

We rarely use taht dynamicNavBox template. Sometimes, to put words in columns, we use three templates, like this:

*[[word 1]]
*[[word 2]]
*[[word 3]]
*[[word 4]]

But, we use these {{verTambém.Ini}} template in many other cases when we need to put words in columns. So, the 'see also section' is just ==Ver também== and =={{vertb}}==. I hope that it helps you! Regards, Jesielt 22:33, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

If you got a sec

Can you stop by FH again and tell me/fix UserMessages gadget. I tried to import it (stealing some WP templates) and it doesn't work. Now we've only got 1.15 and monobook there, so I suspect that might be part of the issues. Either that or it is my advert plugin below the toolbox. Lemme know, thx. --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 08:19, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Basically, mediawiki replaced ~~~~ with your signature, the ' in your signature was interpreted as an end of string marker, and everything that came after that in your signature caused a syntax error. Should be fixed now. cheers. Bawolff 12:50, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
Damn it, I didn't notice the second instance of my sig. Why is that particular install translating my sig in .js? It doesn't do it here? Is it a 1.16 improvement, or did I screw up a setup config? PS... Thank you for fixing it (and my silly no include 'fix') --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 16:34, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
It should do it here as well. Normally here we have the sig separated by something to stop that from happening (usually either something like '~~\~~' or '~~' + '~~'. Mediawiki also expands templates in js files in a secret manner, where it doesn't display the expanded template, but includes any categories that that template includes. (to sum it up, mediawiki is stupid). Bawolff 12:53, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

question on mwapi

Hi Bawolff. Question for you. What's the best way to do a simple js prompt and have whatever is entered added to the talk page. I'm working on something for my personal wiki. I tried looking at easypeerrevew but realized quickly that I was confusing myself a bit. I took your Mwapilib.js and have that imported. This is basically what I have.


addOnloadHook(function () {
   var hist; var url;
   if (!(hist = document.getElementById('ca-history') )) return;
   if (!(url = hist.getElementsByTagName('a')[0] )) return;
   if (!(url = url.href )) return;
addPortletLink("p-cactions", "javascript:addresearch();void%200;", "Add", "ca-addresearch", "Add Research");

function addresearch(){
var reviewHeader = 'New header';
var researchlink=prompt("Research link");
Bawolff.mwapi.edit({content: researchlink, page: "Talk:" + wgTitle, summary: reviewHeader, section: "new"}, talk_rev_cb);

What am I missing? I'm getting a undefined error on Bawolff.mwapi.edit(). Thanks so much. I really appreciate it. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 10:51, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

talk_rev_cb is undefined (which matters more than it normally would since it is a global variable), change the edit line to:
Bawolff.mwapi.edit({content: researchlink, page: "Talk:" + wgTitle, summary: reviewHeader, section: "new"});

(Assuming you don't want to give the user any sort of success message. Otherwise you could do something like define talk_rev_cb to be:

talk_rev_cb = function () {alert("link successfully posted");};

(btw, my original version of mwapilib was my first attempt at doing something like that, and is a bit confusing. mwapilib2 would probably be less confusing (particularly if you end up doing something more complicated), but then again its not really documented whatsoever.). Cheers. let me know if that works. Bawolff 13:05, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm getting a POST error unknown_action: Unrecognised value for parameter 'action'. There's also a [object:text] message on the top of the page. The link is not added to the talk page. Thanks again. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 13:36, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Are you logged in? Sometimes that error message comes up if you try to edit while not logged in, and anons are not allowed to edit on the wiki in question. Also check to make sure the write API is enabled. (although i think you'd get a different error if it wasn't). Is it a public wiki? if it is do you have a link? Bawolff 23:32, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
I think it was a version issue. I was running 1.12 and I figured this probably had something to do with the problem. I've been meaning to upgrade for awhile and this just kicked me in the ass to do it. It's working great now. Thanks for your help. I might have some more questions shortly. I'm trying to so something like easyreview but use it for financial data and have it go into a template. Thanks again. You rock. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 16:18, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Glad to help. the mediawiki write api was disabled by default up until version 1.14, so that was probably the issue. Don't hesitate to ask if you have any more questions. Bawolff 17:43, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Is there a way to do this without adding in a section header or removing all content? Thanks again. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 02:13, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
yep - I always meant to do this, but never actually needed to, so never did, but i've now added the code to user:Bawolff/mwapilib.js (you'll need to recopy it). basically do:
Bawolff.mwapi.append({content: "\nText to append", page: "some page", summary: "Edit summary"});

Cheers (the \n is to make the new text go on a new line). Bawolff 23:49, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you kindly dear Bawolff. Works like a charm. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 10:41, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Glad to hear. Bawolff 10:48, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Gadget bug


Your gadget informs me it died in a hole. That's not good. It appears it managed to figure it out anyway, though. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 14:24, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

This happens if after it creates the redirect for google, it can't find the revision id, so it can't sight the google redirect. Which article was this for? Bawolff 19:21, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Red Cross appeals for US$33 million in food relief for Zimbabwe. If it makes any difference, it was the second time I tried to submit for review after an edit conflict. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 01:07, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Oh, i bet the first time you submitted it, it created the google redirect before detecting the edit conflict. The second time you submitted it, it probably failed to create the google redirect as it was already there, so it errored on that. That would be consistant with everything appearing to work normally except for the error message. (thats also consistant with the timstamps on the edits) Bawolff 01:34, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

WN:ML Broken?

Bawolff, I can't get the WN:ML to work for the following article: Boeing 787 "Dreamliner" makes maiden flight today. Every part of it works but the actual saving of the lead.

Also, the JS publish tool didn't sight the above article either.

I will update the lead manually. Calebrw (talk) 04:34, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Done This was a serious issue (It could be somewhat exploited as an w:XSS vulnrability [it'd be rather obvious if someone tried, since they'd have to create a really ugly article title, but still very serious]). Thank you for reporting it. Bawolff 22:18, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Glad you got it work out. Calebrw (talk) 05:38, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Did you know review thingy for en.wikipedia

Check this out: w:Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#A_more_comprehensive_proposal. Perhaps you could lend assistance? :P Cirt (talk) 20:17, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

I did a quick read through. I think i'll be able to help. Bawolff 23:25, 17 December 2009 (UTC)


      • Where is your answer? (should have been at my talk page) Q/0/k 22:38, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Please keep these discussions un-fragmented, continue them where they started, if you can. Q/0/k 09:32, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

  • Well to be honest, we're having a conversation on Brianmc's talk page about a subject that really does not involve brianmc. The logical thing to do would be to have conversation on either my talk page, your talk page, on template talk:Howdy.