User talk:Yuriybrisk

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Thanks![edit]

Thanks for the latest F1 report, can you put some original reporting notes on the talk page please? Unless you were one lucky guy at the race I assume you watched on TV, just detail what channel, times, and - if you know - commentators. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:38, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Correct assumption. Though I'm an F1 fan, you know... Maybe in future I'll be such a "lucky guy", but not for now... :( Placed notes here as requested... --Yuriybrisk 17:51, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for that. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:18, 14 May 2006 (UTC)


re: Thanks for reading "Alonso wins Spanish GP"[edit]

You´re welcome. The pleasure was mine. Even though I have to admit, it was one of the toughest articles I´ve read so far. My problem was - of course - to "jump between the pronounciations" of different languages, or to be more precise, names from different countries. (In one part of the article, for example, a french Renault "was follwed" by an italian Ferrari.) Nice task though. :-) Gumboyaya 21:41, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

French Grand Prix story[edit]

Excellent work! I have questions regarding the images, however. It is most likely the case that these images cannot be hosted on Wikinews as they are from news broadcasts; we cannot claim fair use for such images. This is why our fair use policy does not allow such images, but only a limited collection of fair use images such as publicity images, or corporate logos. If you can provide a url to the source of these images, I can attempt to verify if they might qualify under our fair use policy. - Amgine | talk en.WN 15:08, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Photos are not from news broadcast, but from official broadcast. Using fair use policy: "Screen captures may contain copyrighted information even though the image is made on a personal computer, but may perfectly illustrate an article about software or the internet. When used this way they are fair use." Moreover, I think that this is simply as if I made a photo from the stand. If I can not afford a ticket to the F1 event to make a better shot from the stand, I probably could make a photo of lower quality from my TV, why not?
Surely I couln't provide an URL cause it is my photo :) --Yuriybrisk 15:29, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
"Example of appropriate use: A capture of a program's splash screen or a shot highlighting a specific news worthy item in an article about the program or news item."
Can you explain to me what an "official broadcast" is? - Amgine | talk en.WN 01:35, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Official broadcast is the primary news source, a translation of a live event. It's simply as if I made a photo from the stand. --Yuriybrisk 12:42, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Also, you should be aware that it is not your photo. Although you created a capture image of the broad cast, the entire video, being made up of many thousands of images, is owned and copyrighted, according to US law. - Amgine | talk en.WN 01:37, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Why is it not my photo if I made it? Yes, it may contain copyrighted work, i assume this. But I also assume that the work may be distributed under "fair use" because it: 1) "perfectly illustrate an article", 2) "have significantly lower quality". Probably, we should simply ask Formula One Administration if such use is possible (without any spontaneous actions)... --Yuriybrisk 12:42, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Oh, I forgot 3) "non-commercial use"... --Yuriybrisk 13:23, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Bernie Ecclestone & co have shutted down fan sites that made highlight videos that probably didn't do much else than to promote the sport. Wish you good luck :-) --Jambalaya 14:12, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, i can not understand your previous sentence. What fan sites are you talking of (links, court decisions, forum discussions)? In any case, Wikipedia is not a fan site - it's a news source. This article about Formula 1 is also a news article, not a fan discussion. What do you mean? --Yuriybrisk 14:43, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
The owner of Formula One's commercial rights, Bernie Ecclestone, is very strict on keep exclusive rights. That means FOM (Formula One Management) only allows accredited use of their TV material. I don't even think FOM does allows fair use of it's material. Mail them, show them your screen cap, show them the Wikinews story. I doubt they'll allow it. --Jambalaya 15:45, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
How about that - http://f1.racing-live.com/f1/en/photos/2006/index_gp.shtml? They claim copyright on the photos with the content copyrighted by FOM!
Well, OK, I'll mail FOM if I'll find their correct e-mail... --Yuriybrisk 16:37, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
And why this image Image:M_schumacher_win_2006.jpg Image:M_schumacher_win_2006.jpg is different? --Yuriybrisk 16:42, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Official broadcast is the primary news source, a translation of a live event.
In short, it is a news source. As we are also a news source, fair use defense cannot apply to our use of any material from another news source unless it is an original, unique expression. A screen capture from a video stream is not an original, unique expression.
Furthermore, if you attend an FOM event you will find the fine print on your ticket stating that you agree that any photo, video, or audio of the event will be copyright by FOM, and/or that you agree to not record in any way the event. - Amgine | talk en.WN 16:54, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
OK, I'll repeat my question: how about that - Image:M_schumacher_win_2006.jpg? How about a fine print on his ticket or on the tickets of those guys on f1.racing-live.com? I'm really confused, you know... :)
Probably, we shouldn't make any futher actions until the first official notice from FOM... --Yuriybrisk 17:08, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
F1.racing-live.com's photos are taken by accredited, professional photographers. Doesn't seem the photographer of Image:M_schumacher_win_2006.jpg is aware of FOM's rules. --Jambalaya 17:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

OK, then one must remove Image:M_schumacher_win_2006.jpg... Let's remove the whole F1 image segment on Wikimedia! :-)

An excerpt from here: "FOPA would later become known as Formula One Management. FOPA received 23% of TV revenues, 47% went to the teams, and 30% to the FIA. FOPA, however, received all the fees paid by promoters. In exchange for this FOPA paid prize money to the teams." FOM contracts with TV companies. TV companies broadcasts their content to us, end users (viewers). TV companies receives revenue from commercials. FOM, probably, have nothing to do with us (viewers).

All the major information on the FIA site (there's no direct FOM site as it seem to me) is about accreditation: ACCREDITATION GUIDELINES FOR THE 2006 FIA FORMULA ONE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP. Very good you say, but that article is about "professional journalists and photographers" - I doubt that we are "professionals" in their thoughts (we all work on a non-commercial basis and are juniors :)...

There's interesting note about "ELECTRONIC MEDIA AND WEBSITES" - All applications from web sites and other electronic media should be directed to Formula One Management, as with television, radio and promotional photographer applications. Well, it's also about commercial use...

I couldn't find a distribution policy for non-commercial news sources...

I'll write a letter to press@fiacommunications.com to see what they will answer...

--Yuriybrisk 17:28, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

French GP[edit]

The French GP is being shown 'tape delayed' on network TV in the USA, and just started. When this happens, or when I tape an F1 race, I am always very careful not to visit many sites before I watch the race, so I don't learn who won. I would never guessed that I would have to add Wikinews to that list. I should have known better! Good article. I hope you enjoyed the race. At least I'll be able to watch the GP2 race, and Champ Car and be surprised. Emperor NortonXXIII 17:23, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanx :) --Yuriybrisk 23:52, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

User Pages[edit]

Please note that copyrighted images are not allowed in the user space. Unfourtuanelty, I have removed a a copyrighted logo from your userspace and replaced it with a message saying copyrighted logo removed. I suggest you remove this.

Sorrry for the inconvenience,

--A101 - (talk) 12:47, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Referencing[edit]

Hi,

Just a quick note, here on Wikinews we don't use inline references (<ref>) for some reason, we just put all sources under the Sources section. I've fixed that article for you, but keep it in mind for future :) TheFearow (userpage) 21:15, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, noted. --Yuriybrisk (talk) 21:53, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Georgia wants ceasefire in Ossetia war[edit]

I called it bias as it seemed to be promoting the Ossetian viewpoint and it had opinions in it. I removed it after a discussion regarding the edit with other users on IRC who agreed that it did not follow NPOV. I am sorry if I was mistaken and please feel free to re-add it if you disagree (I will not remove it again). Thanks, Anonymous101talk 22:05, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Use of quote templates[edit]

Just wanted to highlight a couple of concerns on your article about Shoemaker coming back to F1. My concern, which I fixed in a copyedit was to take out inline links to other Wikinews stories. These, as you'll now see, are collected in the related news.

The second concern is use of {{QuoteLeft}} and {{QuoteRight}}. The strongly recommended practice with these is to only use to highlight text that is in the actual body of the article, not an additional quote that is unused elsewhere. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:04, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Understood both points. I agree, thanks. --Yuriybrisk (talk) 13:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Lewis Hamilton wins 2009 Singapore Grand Prix[edit]

This article is now published after some copyedit and cleanup work. I'd really appreciate if you look at the changes made following your submission of it for review. The following were some of the points I had as critisisms:

  • There was still a link within the article to a previous Wikinews story, and from my point of view this doesn't seem right.
  • In general, the article was way, way over-wikified.
  • For related news, the template to use is {{wikinews}}.
  • A lot of the phrasings to describe who took which position were grammatically incorrect and, well, just not something you'd see in standard English.
  • Date formats in the WN:SG are "Monthname Daynumber, Year". That's always the full month name, and although the ordering may seem Americanised it is unambiguous.

I hope the above helps you improve your F1 contributions, it is clear you put a lot of work into them and I think everyone is quite happy to help improve the English on them because you get the key points of avoiding copyright infringement and the general article style. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:18, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Brian, I honestly think it's O.K. when somebody corrects issues when and if somebody messed up. In this case Wikinews is just like Linux kernel development for me - when everybody doing his work front but are ready to help if some troubled stuff occurs (no, I'm not a Linux contributor, I just make minor changes in it for myself :) It's just a matter of open content systems - our job is to make all aspects of them better (by working together too).
I agree with most of your points except over-wikifying the article... I think it's a bit subjective. Any piece of plain text may point at certain related information in any form it once was presented (surely, the most appropriate form is preferable). Still, the articles with less hyperlinks leaves a feeling that something is missing... and you'll never know what could interest the reader. --Yuriybrisk (talk) 19:48, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Recruiting from Wikipedia[edit]

Can you look at w:Portal talk:Formula One#Sisterprojects? You write a lot of F1 stuff, this might get others to copyedit, or provide pictures. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:57, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Death of musician[edit]

I've left a couple of comments on the talk page-Talk:George Garanian, Russian Armenian jazz band leader, dies at age 75. I don't have time to copyedit I'm afraid, but it might be giving a native speaker a shout to fix it up. Shouldn't take long. Sorry!   Tris   18:16, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

2010 GP Season[edit]

I have to say I'm delighted to see you trying to get these in. I've always found most of your submissions just need a copyedit for the reason that you're not a native speaker of English.

Please keep subbing the articles, pestering people for sub-editing, and improving your written English!

I appreciate your efforts, and apologise that time/work constraints prevent copyediting as I've done previously. If I wasn't editing from a mobile phone I'd make you a Scalelectrix Barnstar for your F1 efforts. --Brian McNeil / talk 23:01, 10 October 2010 (UTC)