Wikinews talk:Flagged revisions/Requests for permissions/Archive 1

When are users

When are users allowed to make requests on this page. There seems to be consensus for this at the Water cooler. Anonymous101^talk 12:37, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Not sure, but see also Wikinews:Requests for permissions. Cirt (talk) 12:54, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

No actually I think if anything there is more of a consensus to make "editor" a discretion promote. The Mind's Eye (talk) 13:18, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Cirt (talk) 13:23, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Move discussion to other permissions page

I think there's no need for lots of request pages. This should be happening on Wikinews:Requests for permissions. Majorly ^talk 16:36, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I disagree, you see, this is sort of in the vein of w:WP:ROLLBACK, and since the Editor function will be given our fairly liberally, it doesn't really need to get meshed into the RfA discussion page. (Unless it turns out not to be that active a page, in which case, nevermind. :) ) Cirt (talk) 17:17, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Well at the moment WN:RFP requests users here, but I am not averse to giving this some more thought and changing my mind, of course others feel free to please give input as well. Cirt (talk) 18:06, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Make policy?

Discussion

Any objections to this formally being made policy and the way that users get Wikinews:Editor status in the future? Cirt (talk) 10:31, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I very much believe that at least three days are needed for any objections to someone being granted Editor status coming to light. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 10:39, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Did you see? I just made that change, actually. Cirt (talk) 11:11, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Isn't most of this de facto policy because that is the version of MediaWiki we are running? As far as the waiting period for editor status, I am not sure that I agree. I think that there can be cases where that should be circumvented. As far as the section on gaining 'Reviewer' status, I don't think we should include that here until the "Who are the Reviewers" discussion has been resolved. Cheers, --SVTCobra 01:41, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I commented out the Reviewer part for now. What suggestions to you have for altering the page otherwise? Cirt (talk) 02:04, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

The only thing I have a problem with is setting the waiting period for 'Editor' in stone by making it policy. I feel the risk is limited, if one Admin makes a bad judgment and grants 'Editor' to someone who abuses it, it only takes another Admin to remove that status. 'Editor' shouldn't be thought of as a permanent thing, or even one that takes a whole 'de-editor' process. "Easy come, easy go." --SVTCobra 02:24, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't think this should be just like handing out candy, but I do sympathise with concerns that a cast in stone waiting period may not be the best approach. Patrick's comment in the below voting section is something else though, just taking away editor status seems like a road to conflict. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 07:53, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps a solution could be that if an Admin removes the Editor status, that too should be required to be posted on the Requests for Permissions with a reason. That way others can see if they agree, and voice their opinion. But yes, I do see your point that it all can be a road to conflict.--SVTCobra 00:25, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree, an admin that does remove a user's status must be able to explain why they did it and really, it should only be removed when it's completely apparent why it should be removed such as allowing an article that is competently wrong. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 23:35, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Poll

Support

• Support Lets do it already. We've already forced the use of flagged rev's. --ShakataGaNai ^{^_^} 00:50, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
• Support Per ShakataGaNai (talk · contribs). Cirt (talk) 14:44, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
• Support per others. Anonymous101^talk 13:27, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Oppose

• Oppose I agree with everything in the policy except for the three day waiting period. If an admin feels that a user should be given editor status, then they should do just that. I really feel that this thing should be no big deal. Likewise, if a admin feels that a editor screws up, they should just remove it. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 02:10, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

  If it comes and goes so easily, then will it really serve much good in terms of preventing vandalism? "Oh, I feel like I should give this users editor" A few sighted vandalisms later, a few published & sighted hoax articles (onto the front page that Google News picks up... "Oh, I guess I shouldn't have given that too him, oh well". There goes our google news contract --ShakataGaNai ^{^_^} 07:57, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• Polls suck. This should be policy because no one has disagreed with it yet (or if someone disagrees, we should discuss, modify, etc). Policies should not be created by virtue of a vote, they should be a summary of current practices. Bawolff ☺☻ 11:12, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

• I agree. Can this be made policy already? I don't like having users directed to this page when it is only "proposed". Gopher65_talk 04:41, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

• I changed this from Proposed Policy to Policy. If people disagree then we can revert and bring it back here for discussion. But really this has effectively been policy for months now, so this change is simply a reflection of the current status of the page. Gopher65_talk 04:43, 10 April 2009 (UTC)