Talk:India: Karnataka closed for a day for protests over Mahadayi river share

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Notes[edit]

Not the best headline, but I really can't think of any creative one, without affecting NPOV, and "assumed" CoI.
•–• 19:19, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Notes emailed to reviewer.
•–• 23:53, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
Notes were emailed to me. We always tell folks to email to scoop. At any rate, I have received the emails in question. Admittedly, of the three currently active reviewers, I'm the only one with access to scoop. --Pi zero (talk) 04:32, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
I always receive failure notice when I send an email to scoop.
223.237.247.61 (talk) 04:43, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
That doesn't mean it failed, altogether. Some of the accounts do that, but others succeed. --Pi zero (talk) 18:03, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Comments[edit]

  • Who called for the bandh?
  • "The people"? Surely, not everyone is of the same mindset.
  • "observing" bandh. Is it not true that shops close, not willingly, but because they would get smashed by those who called the bandh?

Cheers, --SVTCobra 05:43, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

you do realise Mysore is not in northern Karnataka, and they would do it on serious note for Kaveri— of course, only if you about the geography, or read what ex-Cm said (you can find it in the article)
182.19.57.115 (talk) 07:37, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
Also, Bangalore, which is a city with population size in 10^6 (and not even in North Karnataka, which is severely affected) — all people came together for a bandh. Self explanatory that different people were willing to stop activities for a day. Also; just to let you know, Netravati and Kaveri do not get support from each other. That poster quote tells one why.
182.19.57.115 (talk) 07:58, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
So you are saying that there's is not a single person there who is loyal to BJP? Sounds dubious. Still, the article should state who called the bandh. Why did they need to deploy 15,000 police if there was no threat of violence and everyone was in complete agreement? --SVTCobra 12:44, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
When there is a bandh -- there are certain instances where protestors vandalise. I have seen it happen. Threat to violence -- it is not guaranteed, you can see that. And in complete agreement does not mean one is not free to carry on their business -- the TTT 2018, which is in Mysore started on 25th, and most of the participants arrived via Bangalore -- which is a great example to tell that why some people were out during a bandh.
182.19.57.115 (talk) 22:21, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
@SVTCobra: You were asking who called for the bandh. The best answer available seems to be in our third paragraph. --Pi zero (talk) 04:10, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Times of India seem to pin it down on a single political activist, namely Vatal Nagaraj who is definitely Kannada affiliated. --SVTCobra 04:29, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Hm. Anything agreed on by Kannada groups would likely go, at some point, through the person who's the head of the umbrella group. --Pi zero (talk) 14:47, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

ToI has published misleading incorrect information several times and it is not reliable, to be honest.
223.237.255.84 (talk) 15:20, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Vatal Nagaraj is mentioned in several of the listed sources. It seems odd not to mention the vocal leader of a political faction in an article about their activities. It also seems odd not to mention that the bandh was set to coincide with BJP president Amit Shah's rally. It is mentioned in 6 of 8 listed sources (Twitter omitted in count). It seems to be a major contention that the bandh is not just about the river water. --SVTCobra 16:32, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
...which calls into question who is responsible for it happening? --Pi zero (talk) 17:19, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
The story feels pro-Kannada. It doesn't represent both sides. Omitting the leader makes it seem like a noble undertaking by the people. Also, bandh are considered illegal by the Supreme Court of India, but that, too, is not mentioned. --SVTCobra 17:34, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
@SVTCobra: Can you submit an edit or two to address this concern? Often one or two gentle additions will mitigate such a difficulty. (I didn't feel it was pro-Kannada so much as describing observable consequences rather than getting into the aspects you mention, but that doesn't mean the article mightn't be improved by some straightforward factual additions. If I spent my afternoon on this as well I might devise something, but I want to attend this afternoon to other articles as well.) --Pi zero (talk) 17:50, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
OK. I will have to read the sources more in-depth than I have so far. Also, I need to run to the store. Give me 90 minutes +/-. --SVTCobra 18:09, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
@Pi zero: I added two tiny paragraphs. I tried to insert them best I could without breaking any flow. They can be moved around if you so choose. I annotated which sources (I did not add any sources) that the information can be found in. Cheers, --SVTCobra 20:01, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

A bandh is not illegal. But what happened in Mumbai, recently, what are the reasons and objectives and the way a protest happens — all those factors contributes to what is permitted. The quote discussing about Ballari schools would remain closed says it was what Farmer Association wanted. Taking the credit from many farmers in north Karnataka and giving it to one political leader, that is not a good thing to do. Just like a million things happening, including the Wikimedia TTT that day — just because two political parties who don’t go well together doesn’t mean it is totally in context. Look at the BJP4Karnataka’s (I assume that is what their handle name was) tweets — just like how an angry thirteen year old would whine. BJP’s reaction and all of that part calls for a different focus and a different story.
182.19.57.115 (talk) 01:39, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

No? And also tl;dr on your farmer discussion. Please see this and this. The functional quote from that is: "On 6th January, 2010 Gauhati High Court declared that “Bandh” is illegal and unconstitutional."
That does not mean that 'bandh' is not a continuing practice and effective protest. It simply means that, de juris it is illegal and de facto it still exists. Cheers, --SVTCobra 02:12, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
Oops, Gauhati is only regional, but per the "Supreme Court, a bandh interferes with the exercise of the Fundamental freedoms of other citizens, in addition to causing national loss in many ways. The Fundamental Right of the people as a whole cannot be regarded as subservient to a claim of Fundamental Rights of an individual, or of a section of the people. The Supreme Court has now declared the reason why bandh should be banned." I can't tell if the Supreme Court said that in 2013 or if the site added it in 2013. --SVTCobra 02:19, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
I live in this quasi federal country and I know how it . Just weeks ago, there was a non-peaceful protest in Maharashtra where SC’s ruling comes into picture. Not this.
182.19.57.115 (talk) 02:23, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
Well, don't stress. Nothing was added to the article about the legal status of bandh. Who or what is SC, btw? --SVTCobra 02:28, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
More than a billion people in the world have heard about Supreme Court. Your country has one. Reminds me of the BBC.
182.19.57.115 (talk) 03:34, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
OK, SC=Supreme Court. We call ours SCOTUS, probably because we have SC (South Carolina). Well, why doesn't the Supreme Court's ruling apply? I am genuinely interested. Is it because of that quasi-federal thing you mentioned before? How much of the constitution applies to your part of the country? --SVTCobra 03:53, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Review of revision 4378817 [Passed][edit]

Why is edit limited for autoconfirmed users?
182.19.57.115 (talk) 01:28, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
I've enabled IP editing, since you ask. We had some rather aggressive vandalism of the project recently. --Pi zero (talk) 01:39, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
just like how you would not protect a template just because it might be vandalised, I don’t think you should protect the page until it is vandalised.
182.19.57.115 (talk) 02:01, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Bakery question[edit]

Just to satisfy my curiosity, the photo of the bakery with the shutters down while customers are inside and protesters outside, that means the bakery was not observing bandh, right? They were just pretending to be closed until potential trouble-makers were gone, right? Did you ask the shopkeeper how he felt about the bandh? Cheers, --SVTCobra 02:35, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

I believe I can not disclose that detail publicly without breaking the journalistic code of ethics.
182.19.57.115 (talk) 03:21, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
True. But what is the point of not writing about it in your journalism? I mean, you can hide the name of the shop and the shopkeeper, but a journalist's job is to tell the story, yes? --SVTCobra 03:48, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
I regularly visit that bakery, and there are a lot of things that I know, because I am a customer and not because I asked on the behalf of Wikinews. There comments/opinions would be pointless unless I tell their origin, and other details which I know because of a friendly chat. You can see my classmate in one of the photos, and a lot of people know about me, and the so called "anonymity" will be no less than an illusion. However I can interview them…and some others, like the local basket weavers, and the people who earn money in a daily basis and whose lives seems to be affected a lot by a bandh.
223.237.249.225 (talk) 10:47, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
I don’t know if I am allowed to do that, but I feel if Wikinews can interview Diego Grez after an earthquake, this should not be unacceptable.
223.237.249.225 (talk) 10:49, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
We do want to be careful. Not every precedent in the archives is a good one. Which said, I don't know, first-hand, one way or another about measures taken when that particular interview was conducted (on IRC?); I wasn't involved in the article's production in any capacity. It seems as if the interview was not conducted by people who know Diego Grez irl, since I'm pretty sure Diego was at the time the only Chilean Wikinewsie. --Pi zero (talk) 12:51, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
true. But instead of thinking about why it is not a good idea, we can think about what measures to take to have one of such — considering the upcoming bandh in February 4, in a manner that article stands on the pillars.
223.237.206.41 (talk) 19:47, 29 January 2018 (UTC)