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Independent category?[edit]

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SARS is a syndrome, and it should not be redirected to CAT:coronavirus. SARS-CoV-2 is a subset of coronavirus, and SARS should have its independent category.
•–• 10:23, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Well, it's a coronavirus-cased syndrome, so this isn't totally inappropriate. Agree we should set up a distinct cat for it, though. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 11:29, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
When I looked into this before, I concluded there weren't enough articles about SARS for a category. The big outbreak was a year or two before Wikinews. Let's see, though. The relevant search is Special:Search/insource:SARS; atm it has eighteen matches, of which one is a category, one is a brief, eleven are about SARS-CoV-2, and two are about bird flu. That leaves three articles. Two of these are imho categorizable under SARS.
The third, though, doesn't seem to me to belong in a SARS category.
--Pi zero (talk) 12:13, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
I suggest we make two changes, for now.
  • rename Category:COVID-19 to Category:SARS-CoV-2.
Although I understand the desire to logically separate diseases from infectious agents, mostly we've got diseases defined by their agents so that having two categories just wouldn't make logistical sense. Which said, it would be nice to be uniform, at least in this part of our category hierarchy, on which of the two is used for the name of the category; hence my suggestion to rename the category from the disease to the agent.
  • create Category:SARS-CoV-1.
On structural grounds, this seems to me a reasonable bending of the three-article rule-of-thumb.
Hopefully these would help untangle things. --Pi zero (talk) 14:03, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
I think the disease and the virus should have separate categories. Example, if we are writing an obit of someone who died due to dengue, we will reasonably add CAT:Dengue. Dengue is caused by mosquitoes, but we don't mention mosquito in the article. Seeing mosquitoes in an obit will be weird. In this case, following articles will qualify for COVID-19 category:
  1. Burundi President Pierre Nkurunziza dies aged 55
  2. English mathematician John Horton Conway dies after contracting COVID-19
  3. 200 in New Delhi, India drink cow urine to fight off COVID-19
  4. Iranian government official Mohammad Mir-Mohammadi dies of COVID-19.
SARS-CoV-2 is a superset of COVID-19, but it makes sense to have two different categories.
•–• 14:36, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
Some thoughts.
  • Mosquitoes are in a different relationship to dengue fever than the things we're talking about rearranging atm. The cause there is the dengue virus.
  • If we have separate categories for (e.g.) COVID-19 and SARS-CoV-2, imho neither should be a subcategory of the other (to avoid possible confusion over whether strict implication is being recommended), but we should be sure that each of the two category pages explicitly mentions the other, either in the intro or in a usage note.
  • I guess I'm willing to go along with creation of separate categories for COVID-19 versus SARS-CoV-2, though I'm still skeptical.
  • However, if we're distinguishing between SARS and SARS-CoV-1, it seems we have two articles on SARS and zero articles on SARS-CoV-1. I've already said I'm willing to bend the rules on structural grounds here to create a category for the two articles; but it seems to me we'd have no reason to create a category for SARS-CoV-1.
--Pi zero (talk) 15:19, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
Replace mosquito with dengue virus, in the sentence in that case. (talk) 15:23, 14 June 2020 (UTC)