Talk:Wikinews interviews the President of WSA: today's World Passports and World Citizen Government
Add topicOriginal Reporting Notes
[edit]- Reporter:
- Sheminghui.WU
- Date:
- 2025-11-16
- Reporting Type:
- Interview
- Interview Type:
- Multiple
- Interviewee:
- David·Galluo
- Consent granted?:
- Yes
- Verification Method:
- Through WSA's Official account
-- Sheminghui.WU (talk) 08:35, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
Neutrality, OR notes, and further development
[edit]Journalism is a discipline of verification.
As we covered extensively at the Wolfendale interview, full transcripts are required for original reporting. Please provide the complete interview text here on the talk page, with any sensitive details removed. In the OR Notes you describe the interview type as “multiple.” Please clarify what that means. If any questions and answers occurred over chat or social media, those exchanges also need to be transcribed here.
I can verify receiving the following two emails via Scoop on November 16:
Subject: Fwd: Site Visitor Message (no attachments)
Subject: Fwd: World Citizenship RE: Site Visitor Message (7 attached PDFs) Note: It would help the review process along if you explain how and where those seven attachments were used.
All formal Q&A's in the emails, whether included in the article or not, should be transcribed into the OR notes above, preferably using the OR Wizard.
OR concerns
[edit]Per OR policy, "The onus is on you as the reporter, to make sure those facts [presented by the interviewee] are correct." Some examples of things that need to be verified explicitly here in the talk page would include:
- "We have issued over 800,000 World Passports and over 5 million other documents."
- "I have served as President and General Counsel for nearly 35 years."
- "WSA is a legally registered nonprofit in Washington, D.C., with a charitable license from the District of Columbia, carrying out humanitarian and human rights work since 1954."
Neutrality concerns
[edit]The introduction mixes background facts, evaluative language, and reported speech without consistent attribution. Several claims appear in wikivoice that should instead be sourced or clearly attributed to Mr. Gallup, critics (specific when possible, sourced always), or published reporting. Strengthening attribution and removing promotional or loaded phrasing will improve neutrality and balance. The following are some examples:
- “the famous ‘fantasy document’ World Passport”
- Needs attribution (who calls it “famous”, who calls it "fantasy"?)
- “has received formal legal recognition from six UN member states”
- Requires sourcing or attribution; otherwise implies endorsement in wikivoice.
- “some still valid today (e.g., Tanzania)”
- Needs a source or attribution. (if the source is the interview, the answer must be verified per WN:OR)
- “personal cosmopolitan philosophy”
- Needs attribution (who described it as cosmopolitan?)
- “shared his vision for the future”
- Promotional phrasing; should be framed as what he said.
- “WSA has a tradition of helping refugees”
- Should be attributed or supported with evidence.
- “has also been criticized by some refugees as ‘useless’”
- Needs to be attributed and preferably clarified (who, when, where) otherwise this is weaselly.
Style concerns
[edit]Also check the article thoroughly against the Style guide. I have spotted a few things such as titles of books not italicized, images need attribution, etc.
Reassess all of the images for relevance. For instance, the photo from the w:Pioneer plaque doesn’t appear connected to the interview topic. Its caption says the figures are caucasian, but it’s unclear why that detail is included or who made that determination. This risks pulling the article into a seemingly unrelated debate.Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 15:03, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for your review. Reference regarding refugee criticism is provided at the end of the article. The PDF file is meaningless; it's just something they automatically distributed from their official account.
- "We have issued over 800,000 World Passports and over 5 million other documents." That's what they say on their official website homepage too, but I can't verify it independently. You can choose to delete it if you have time.
- Regarding Tanzania, I sent an email to the embassy to verify (I think it might be forwarded in Scoop's emails), but I hope the email will not be made public. Please check it.
- “has received formal legal recognition from six UN member states” I can verify the documents provided on the official website to see their credibility. If official correspondence is provided, then I believe my statement is reasonable. However, I actually meant to say "had received" rather than "received," because many recognitions may be invalid now. But this is still rare for documents not issued by a state/UN.
- The image was added to make the reading experience more visually comfortable, as the interviewee mentioned things related to the Earth and humanity. The phrase "Caucasian race" was copied from the image description on Chinese Wikipedia and can be removed.
- All the interview transcripts are here; I may have chosen the wrong category. @Michael.C.Wright I will try to revise some issues after work, and you can also edit if you have time; this report does need some minor revisions. ~ Sheminghui.WU (talk) 22:32, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- > Regarding Tanzania, I sent an email to the embassy to verify (I think it might be forwarded in Scoop's emails), but I hope the email will not be made public.
That message was not received by Scoop. If you have a reply from the Tanzanian embassy, please forward it to Scoop for verification. If no response was received, the statement should be removed from the article as unverified. I listed the two Scoop emails above; please confirm that list and send anything not included. - The claim that the World passport “received formal recognition from six UN member states” must be verified before inclusion or we must clarify what kind of recognition he means. Are they recognized as official passports legal for entry into those states, or are they recognized for use along with other documentation? If you can't verify each country via their embassies or other official routes, consider asking Gallup for proof (and we'll need to verify whatever is sent).
- Under WN:OR, all interviewee statements require verification by the interviewer. We cannot repeat claims without confirmation. As our guidance notes:
[I]t is important to consider what slant the person may want to give your final story, and to make sure that you, rather than the source, decide which details are relevant.
- I can’t proceed with a review until the interviewee’s statements are verified in accordance with WN:OR and WN:Source. Verification is required for all original reporting, so the article isn’t ready for review until that’s complete.Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 16:20, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- I have independently verified this(Tanzania), and screenshots have been sent to Scoop. Sheminghui.WU (talk) 22:40, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- I can verify that an email containing three screenshots from a chat were received on November 20. From the screenshots, it is clear the individual stated "the suitable Passport is your Country's Passport
But if you don't have... you can use that one." I assume attached a copy or photo of a World passport and that is what "that one" refers to. Is that correct? - Do you have any reason to keep that source anonymous in the public-facing article? Using their name and title in the article would significantly strengthen our statement.Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 14:24, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Michael.C.Wright Yes, based on the contents of the email, it appears that I may do so even if I hold only the World Passport.
- You may add (independently confirmed with the Immigration Head Quarters through the Tanzanian Embassy in Japan by a reporter). Sheminghui.WU (talk) 00:38, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- I can verify that an email containing three screenshots from a chat were received on November 20. From the screenshots, it is clear the individual stated "the suitable Passport is your Country's Passport
- @Michael.C.Wright Regarding the claim of "had received," their official website lists some official letters, which I think is a reasonable statement, meaning they once recognized it. To my knowledge, some of these have been formally revoked. However, merely "recognizing" it carries a different significance under international law. You could help me revise the wording to be more neutral, emphasizing "admitted" rather than "still admitting". ~ Sheminghui.WU (talk) 22:44, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- [1] I have read the documents, and I feel we have no reason not to believe that the recognitions made by Tanzania, Zambia, Togo, Upper Volta, Ecuador, and Mauritania were real. ~ Sheminghui.WU (talk) 22:46, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- I’m not confident in the claim of recognition as presented. For example:
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- The 1954 Ecuador letter does not show acceptance. It calls the World Passport an “interesting idea” and says it would be accepted “providing all requirements are complied with and security maintained.” We don’t know what those requirements were or whether the passport ever met them.
- The Mauritania letter is from 1975, issued under a government that was overthrown in 1978.
- The 1972 Haute Volta letter predates a later coup and even the country’s name change.
- These historical letters do not demonstrate present-day recognition, and only a few suggest recognition even at the time. Presenting them as evidence of acceptance underscores the need for caution with Gallup’s broader claims. For example, the letter from the UN High Commissioner for Refugees simply asks for “a list of the countries accepting the Authority’s passport.” That request does not itself indicate recognition by the UN or any other organization.
- If we include this point in the article, it needs protective wording. For example:
According to Gallup, the World Passport has been recognized by six UN member states. The documents offered in support are historical and do not establish current recognition. - At this point, the verification issues are significant enough that I have serious concerns about the article’s reliability in its current form.Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 15:08, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Michael.C.Wright Thank you for reviewing the content. The key point here is the phrase “was once recognised.” Please help me adjust the wording so that readers understand it means only that it had been recognised in the past. Indeed, I don’t quite remember the contents of every letter, so we can remove Ecuador and change the number of countries to five. ~ Sheminghui.WU (talk) 00:24, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- I don’t see it that way. The letters from the United Nations and the Vatican clearly do not show any form of recognition, yet according to the WSA they also count these two, as well as Ecuador. As an independent media outlet, we should exclude such cases and only count those that explicitly expressed recognition — and those would be considered historical recognition. At present, the only one I can independently verify as still valid is Tanzania, though I believe there may have been a second one. It doesn’t really matter; we should simply state the number of UN member states that once recognised it, once recognised. ~ Sheminghui.WU (talk) 00:28, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- (In addition, I didn't receive the email you sent to Tanzania. However, since such inquiries seem to involve a certain amount of work, perhaps we should send another letter that does not require further verification.) Sheminghui.WU (talk) 01:03, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- [1] I have read the documents, and I feel we have no reason not to believe that the recognitions made by Tanzania, Zambia, Togo, Upper Volta, Ecuador, and Mauritania were real. ~ Sheminghui.WU (talk) 22:46, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Michael.C.Wright I've made some changes, please check them. ~ Sheminghui.WU (talk) 00:59, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- I have independently verified this(Tanzania), and screenshots have been sent to Scoop. Sheminghui.WU (talk) 22:40, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- > Regarding Tanzania, I sent an email to the embassy to verify (I think it might be forwarded in Scoop's emails), but I hope the email will not be made public.
- “the famous ‘fantasy document’ World Passport”, see w:fantasy passport, Perhaps we could add "as shown in the ICAO documents". Sheminghui.WU (talk) 22:36, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- I believe it's not easy to have an independent Wikipedia entry. I rarely see a Fantasy Passport with its own entry, which is quite notability and could be considered famous. Sheminghui.WU (talk) 22:38, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Please feel free to edit it ~ Sheminghui.WU (talk) 22:59, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not trying to do too much editing because reviewers must remain independent of article development in order to qualify to review the article. So my edits will be minimal and primarily focused on getting it publishable.
- I believe the term "fantasy passport" is meant to be dismissive or derogatory, so we should limit our use of the term in wikivoice and attribute or explain it in some way to distance ourselves from the bias.
- As you mentioned, the 2023 ICAO document[2] might be a good source since that document defines the term and the ICAO publishes passport standards. They classify fantasy passports as fraudulent.
- This one[3] might be better. Though we'd have to work through if we should consider it, as a blog, to be a reliable source. If you use it, you might prepare to defend[4] the use. That blog article discusses Gary Davis and the World Passport and could provide support for needed balance in our article.
- If you wanted (and I think it would strengthen our article), you could dig into all of this para-passport/pseudo document/fantasy passport thing a bit more and do a more lengthy explainer. Done well enough, it could serve as a foundation for a dedicated Wikipedia article. That also gives you an opportunity to balance the article; by countering this bold statement: "The only risk lies in the nation-state system increasingly being seen as outdated and destructive to human rights, human dignity, and planetary survival. Those few “state leaders” who cling to power will eventually be replaced by the force of the world’s people."Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 00:07, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for your editing. I was genuinely at a loss for words regarding a news article on "fantasy passports," and I didn't have many ideas on how to balance the information. Was such a rebuttal necessary? That was indeed a very radical viewpoint on his part. I welcome your continued contributions on ideas, such as how to balance the term "fantasy passport," as simply using "passport" could be misleading from the reader's perspective. Frankly, the exact nature of a passport remains a subject of debate in academia. Sheminghui.WU (talk) 01:10, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Michael.C.Wright I added image sources and optimized some wording issues. ~ Sheminghui.WU (talk) 03:56, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for your editing. I was genuinely at a loss for words regarding a news article on "fantasy passports," and I didn't have many ideas on how to balance the information. Was such a rebuttal necessary? That was indeed a very radical viewpoint on his part. I welcome your continued contributions on ideas, such as how to balance the term "fantasy passport," as simply using "passport" could be misleading from the reader's perspective. Frankly, the exact nature of a passport remains a subject of debate in academia. Sheminghui.WU (talk) 01:10, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- Please feel free to edit it ~ Sheminghui.WU (talk) 22:59, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- I believe it's not easy to have an independent Wikipedia entry. I rarely see a Fantasy Passport with its own entry, which is quite notability and could be considered famous. Sheminghui.WU (talk) 22:38, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Ecuador said "In summary, Ecuador accepts your world passport as travel document for personal identification." I believe it was at least recognized as a travel document at the time; it's a yes or no question. ~ Sheminghui.WU (talk) 05:25, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- I changed it to this: but it has also been formally recognised by six UN member states at some point in the past (three of them did not impose any conditions) ~ Sheminghui.WU (talk) 05:47, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Togo, Tanzania and Zambia Sheminghui.WU (talk) 05:52, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- I changed it to this: but it has also been formally recognised by six UN member states at some point in the past (three of them did not impose any conditions) ~ Sheminghui.WU (talk) 05:47, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
Minor bits
[edit]I think I've waded a bit too far in on c/e etc. to review now. The top-most source appears to be an archived grab of a pay-walled article, but part of it is there and might be enough to be OK.--Bddpaux (talk) 18:12, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you ~ Sheminghui.WU (talk) 02:22, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- I'd really like to see this one make it!--Bddpaux (talk) 21:39, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @Sheminghui.WU
- If you have any private notes such as
- David's official contact email
- a copy of the interview audio if it was audio,
- It would help me to review. Please provide this information to this address
- scoop
wn-reporters.org email here privately (do not provide this information here on wiki)
- scoop
- Regards, -- Gryllida 01:34, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Gryllida Hi Gryllida!! However, the information here and that has already been forwarded to Scoop is all the information we have. ~ Sheminghui.WU (talk) 05:38, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Didn't see it. What date? Gryllida 07:32, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- 20/11 for Scoop ~ Sheminghui.WU (talk) 08:16, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks. Replied to the email. Gryllida 08:24, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Done. Sheminghui.WU (talk) 10:50, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Replied. Gryllida 11:39, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Forwarded for another time. ~ Sheminghui.WU (talk) 11:54, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks. FYI - opened a discussion. Gryllida 12:49, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Is this part of normal process... and please feel free to change any word choice or content according to the original text. The original text is just too long any some times speak in a bureaucratic tone. Sheminghui.WU (talk) 13:09, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- It is first time an interviewee requests minor changes. This should happen before submitting for review. I have to provide that information to you. Gryllida 09:28, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
- I really don’t understand all of this. Are we even a media organisation? It’s really strange that you communicate with the interviewee but not with me, and the version submitted for review has already been seen by Mr. David. It’s just that, this time, after your discussion with him, he made a new suggestion.
- Furthermore, I really don’t understand—every interview on the market, including other language versions of Wikinews and any non-profit citizen media, can freely modify the raw material once obtained. Why can’t ENWN do the same? Is this really a policy requirement? Doesn’t the policy state that content should be determined by the journalist?
- And speaking factually, after all this time we’ve spent, what benefit is there for the readers? I don’t see any, except that we ended up with a more mundane, run-of-the-mill headline. This is Wikinews, a free news source—how can journalists have so many constraints?
- I mean, these are some of my questions. If there are no answers to these questions, then we need reform. ~ Sheminghui.WU (talk) 10:23, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
- I needed to communicate with interviewee to ask to confirm that the interview text is indeed his. That's normal as part of peer review. Usually the answer is 'yes, it is' and they walk away.
- We have got a difficult case when they keep asking to make edits practically on each contact. When I saw this I forwarded them to you and included you in the email chain. Doing this is not a reviewer's task. Gryllida 10:41, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
- Ok. But I didn't notice many changes, what else besides about The Cosmocitizens Tribune? Sheminghui.WU (talk) 10:45, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
- Probably just that, they kept asking to modify the phrase. Let's see what they say now to last request. Gryllida 10:52, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
- Ok. But I didn't notice many changes, what else besides about The Cosmocitizens Tribune? Sheminghui.WU (talk) 10:45, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
- It is first time an interviewee requests minor changes. This should happen before submitting for review. I have to provide that information to you. Gryllida 09:28, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
- Is this part of normal process... and please feel free to change any word choice or content according to the original text. The original text is just too long any some times speak in a bureaucratic tone. Sheminghui.WU (talk) 13:09, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks. FYI - opened a discussion. Gryllida 12:49, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Forwarded for another time. ~ Sheminghui.WU (talk) 11:54, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Replied. Gryllida 11:39, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Done. Sheminghui.WU (talk) 10:50, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks. Replied to the email. Gryllida 08:24, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- 20/11 for Scoop ~ Sheminghui.WU (talk) 08:16, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Didn't see it. What date? Gryllida 07:32, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Gryllida Hi, may I ask why can't we use the original title? As the reporter who spoke with him, I knew (and that was also my plan) that the topic of this interview is "Today's World Passports and World Citizen Governments." Also, his name doesn't seem particularly significant to be included in the title (readers will see it when they click through), so I'm wondering if it's necessary? ~ Sheminghui.WU (talk) 11:37, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- I just needed active voice. Changes are welcome. Gryllida 09:27, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
- Done. Please check @Gryllida Sheminghui.WU (talk) 10:31, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
- lowercase the 'interviews' and 'today' as headlines are in sentence case not camel case thanks Gryllida 10:33, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
- Done @Gryllida Sheminghui.WU (talk) 10:37, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks, i'll publish in around 10h if no major objections from interviewee or on this page Gryllida 11:55, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks;) Sheminghui.WU (talk) 12:32, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
- i just published and sent the interviewee a stern disclaimer that they are not going to be forever owner of the page
i will update a documentation about interviewing in next couple days, so that it is not this painful in future. thanks a lot for your attention to the incoming requests Gryllida 02:35, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
- ??? Sheminghui.WU (talk) 02:50, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
- Ah, I see, Ok, seems good. Sheminghui.WU (talk) 02:50, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
- Do we have {reflist} template? Thank you. Sheminghui.WU (talk) 02:59, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
- i just published and sent the interviewee a stern disclaimer that they are not going to be forever owner of the page
- Thanks;) Sheminghui.WU (talk) 12:32, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks, i'll publish in around 10h if no major objections from interviewee or on this page Gryllida 11:55, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
- Done @Gryllida Sheminghui.WU (talk) 10:37, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
- lowercase the 'interviews' and 'today' as headlines are in sentence case not camel case thanks Gryllida 10:33, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
- Done. Please check @Gryllida Sheminghui.WU (talk) 10:31, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
- I just needed active voice. Changes are welcome. Gryllida 09:27, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Gryllida Hi Gryllida!! However, the information here and that has already been forwarded to Scoop is all the information we have. ~ Sheminghui.WU (talk) 05:38, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
Update
[edit]Hi @Michael.C.Wright please summarize which concerns are still pending, ideally in less than 200 words. This will help me with publishing. I do not have capacity to read the entire page above. I would greatly appreciate your help! Gryllida 09:27, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
- Please do that within next 10 hours if you can, thatd help a lot, thanks Gryllida 10:53, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
- I don't expect to have time to review this article in the near future. I do not make any claim to exclusive reviewer rights of any article unless I mark it as 'under review.'
- I would recommend to whoever reviews this article to consider at least the following:
- The interviewee has provided the interviewer a list of suggested changes to our draft article. These were not accurately represented here. Several of the proposed changes seem innocuous and aimed at accuracy, at brief glance.
- That email was sent directly to Gryllida and then forwarded to Scoop by her, with the subject line "Fwd: World Citizenship RE: Site Visitor Message" on November 24.
- Verify that interviewee answers in the article are verbatim to responses from the interviewee or are minimally and transparently clarified by WN contributors.
- Pay close attention to the evidence provided for the statement "it [the World Passport] has also been formally recognised by six UN member states." I disagree that the evidence provided supports that statement. The relevant discussion above starts here.
- Note also that in 2012 the ICAO explicitly considered (and may still consider) the World Passport a "psuedo document" with no legal value (Introduction to Fraudulent Methods used in travel, Identity, and Visa Documents, pp 20-30). That document states (with my emphasis):
- > Pseudo documents comprise a range of documentation which has no legal value and therefore proves neither the identity nor the nationality of an individual. A pseudo document has the appearance of an existing document, however it is not issued by an existing and legally recognized authority of a given State or Organization, recognized under international law.
- The interviewee has provided the interviewer a list of suggested changes to our draft article. These were not accurately represented here. Several of the proposed changes seem innocuous and aimed at accuracy, at brief glance.
- I’d urge caution before publishing this as written. We should avoid giving the impression that the World Passport is legally accepted anywhere unless we have clear, explicit evidence to support that claim.Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 18:27, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
- 1. I disagree with the note that they were not accurately represented there. The interviewee was suggesting new changes from email to email. I checked that particular one and it was already implemented.
- 2. This is OK with me as interviewee approves of current revision. I don't have the motivation to pursue the requirement not to make modifications to the interview answers. I do recommend that in the future this should not be done but given the interviewee checked the content and approved it, I am comfortable leaving it as is in interest of time. I have re-sent request to David asking to check current revision. To further alleviate this I added a 'Interview answers have been minimally edited by Wikinews for formatting and clarity' disclaimer at the top of the interview section.
- 3. I disagree with the argument 'government had a coup'. That is a waste of time. 'recognized by (a country/six countries) at one time in the past' remains valid.
- 4. That seems covered by a note ICAO calls it a fantasy document. Gryllida 18:46, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
- The following is based on the evidence provided by this page:
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- ❌ Ecuador 1954: "[Y]our idea is interesting and, providing all requirements are complied with and security maintained, Ecuador would accept such documents..." is not official recognition.
- ✅ Haute Volta 1972 "The Ministry of the Interior and Security accepts the entry into Upper Volta of holders of the neutral passport issued by the ‘World Service Authority’." Authorization predates a later coup (change in government) and even the country’s name change. No evidence it is still recognized.
- ✅ Mauritan 1975 "[I]t's recognition will be granted in the framework of the Mauritian laws." Authorization issued under a government that was overthrown in 1978 (change in government). No evidence it is still recognized.
- ✅ Tanzania 1995 "[C]onfirms the official recognition..."
- ✅ Togo 1983 "[T]he Government of Togo has decided to recognize the travel documents that your organization may issue to any individual considered a world citizen, for humanitarian reasons." No evidence of change in recognition. No verification attempt by en.WN that it is still accepted.
- ❌ United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees 1981 "[W]e would be interested in receiving a list of countries accepting the Authority's passport." is not official recognition.
- ❌ The Vatican 1983 "I sometimes come in contact with people who would particularly benefit from a World Passport, knowledge of which recently came to my attention." is not official recognition.
- ✅ Zambia 1973 "I am pleased to inform you that my Government has recognised and accepted the Passport as a genuine and valid travel document of identity."
- The following have never been members of the UN:
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- Vatican City State
- I have updated our article to reflect the above and self-sighted the change to avoid misrepresentation of documented evidence. As stated above, we should avoid giving the impression that the World Passport is legally accepted anywhere unless we have clear, explicit evidence to support that claim.Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 14:09, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
- We simply said "it was recognized before," "some point at past"—isn't that clear enough? Recognition by a UN member state is significant, regardless of whether it is revoked or not. and The WSA has never said that the Vatican has recognized it. @Michael.C.Wright Sheminghui.WU (talk) 08:46, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- I believe Ecuador’s position is one of conditional recognition. If you do not recognise something as a travel document, it is impossible to allow its holder to enter your country(especially in official documents); at most, you could issue them another passport or Visa but no passport. It’s just like how I could never enter the United States using a blank sheet of paper as a travel document. Ecuador’s stance is clearly conditional recognition, and the preface at the time of issuance explicitly stated this. ~ Sheminghui.WU (talk) 08:48, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- i agree with Michael here, it is better to be conservative as 'recognised' is a strong word. i'd approve Equador though. Gryllida 08:55, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- My suggestion is to immediately revert to the previous version and discuss changes to the wording. Sheminghui.WU (talk) 09:01, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- "The Government of Togo has decided to recognize the travel documents..." This word is not an exaggeration. Sheminghui.WU (talk) 09:04, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- We can use "acknowledging or recognizing" Sheminghui.WU (talk) 09:06, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- First, I don't understand why the first paragraph of the preface was changed. I also don't understand why the sections about Ecuador, the Vatican, and the UNHCR are presented as if the WSA is lying. Sheminghui.WU (talk) 09:08, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- I honestly don't understand why we're so dedicated to writing news introductions like encyclopedias??? Who wants to read something like this? If readers want more details, here's a link to the Inter-sister project. I'm speechless. Sheminghui.WU (talk) 09:16, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- i agree with Michael here, it is better to be conservative as 'recognised' is a strong word. i'd approve Equador though. Gryllida 08:55, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
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Revision 4949023 of this article has been reviewed by Gryllida (talk · contribs) and has passed its review at 02:26, 26 November 2025 (UTC).
Comments by reviewer: Was a difficult case. Will need to revise OR protocol so that changes to content are not required. The reviewed revision should automatically have been edited by removing {{Review}} and adding {{Publish}} at the bottom, and the edit sighted; if this did not happen, it may be done manually by a reviewer. |
Revision 4949023 of this article has been reviewed by Gryllida (talk · contribs) and has passed its review at 02:26, 26 November 2025 (UTC).
Comments by reviewer: Was a difficult case. Will need to revise OR protocol so that changes to content are not required. The reviewed revision should automatically have been edited by removing {{Review}} and adding {{Publish}} at the bottom, and the edit sighted; if this did not happen, it may be done manually by a reviewer. |
- Thank you both for your assistance! ~ Sheminghui.WU (talk) 03:06, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
Further editing
[edit]I recommend the original author and/or others edit the page for WN:Style issues. For example writing in past tense, ordering the sources newest to oldest per WN:Source, etc.Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 14:53, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Michael.C.Wright However, I am dissatisfied with the changes made to the preface. The previous version was neutral and clear, but the new one now seems to imply that WSA might be lying. I don’t see any reason why we should assume those official documents are fake rather than trust it's genuine; and I have checked the contents one by one, and three of them explicitly mention refugee use while the other three do not. (Also, why do we keep running into this kind of hindsight criticism?)
- Furthermore, the WSA has never claimed recognition from the UNHCR or the Vatican, but has only listed official correspondence. I don't know why this point is being emphasized, but I feel it significantly compromises the neutrality of this article. Please make corrections as soon as possible. ~ Sheminghui.WU (talk) 08:45, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Michael.C.Wright I have already submitted a retraction request. We should revert to the previous wording before discussing any minor adjustments. ~ Sheminghui.WU (talk) 08:53, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- Additionally, the only "nonexistent" country here is Upper Volta, which has merely changed its name to Burkina Faso, meaning "Land of Upright People." ~ Sheminghui.WU (talk) 08:56, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- Moreover, even if it were annexed like Democratic Germany, it would not change the fact that it was a UN member state recognition. ~ Sheminghui.WU (talk) Sheminghui.WU (talk) 08:58, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Gryllida Sheminghui.WU (talk) 08:58, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- Additionally, the only "nonexistent" country here is Upper Volta, which has merely changed its name to Burkina Faso, meaning "Land of Upright People." ~ Sheminghui.WU (talk) 08:56, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- 1. Past tense is content edit that does not qualify for being sufficiently important for a correction. I would not do it.
- 2. Reordering sources is a minor non-content edit. This can be done. Gryllida 11:48, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- Please at least fix the Ecuador one Sheminghui.WU (talk) 12:26, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
- Come on! Why not Ecuador? @Gryllida Sheminghui.WU (talk) 06:53, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
- This is not Wikipedia. After 24 hours after published, have to issue a 'correction'. Would you like one to be added for Equador, if so, requires a new section on talk page, and consensus reached. Gryllida 06:58, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
- Come on! Why not Ecuador? @Gryllida Sheminghui.WU (talk) 06:53, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
- Please at least fix the Ecuador one Sheminghui.WU (talk) 12:26, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
Correction
[edit]add Ecuador(1954) and "Tanzania’s recognition is still valid, as independently verified by Wikinews with the country’s Immigration Headquarters via the Embassy in Japan." @Gryllida Sheminghui.WU (talk) 07:01, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
- Please provide a quote from the source document here than indicates Ecuador officially recognized the World Passport in 1954. Also provide support that recognition is still valid.Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 01:49, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
- I did not say that any country other than Tanzania "has recognized" it to this day; I only said that it "once recognized" it. Singling out Ecuador is a factual error. Sheminghui.WU (talk) 03:08, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
- "In summary, Ecuador accepts your world passport as travel document for personal identification." @Michael.C.Wright Sheminghui.WU (talk) 03:09, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
- For the following reasons, I am not persuaded that the 1954 Ecuador letter demonstrates formal recognition of the World Passport. Because this is a complex and controversial subject, and because Wikinews contributors are citizen journalists rather than legal or immigration-law professionals, we should be especially careful about how we phrase claims in wikivoice. This concern was raised before publication.
- Concerns with the Ecuador letter (especially when contrasted with Tanzania’s explicit and formal statement of recognition):
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- Uses conditional language (“would accept… providing all requirements are complied with”).
- The required conditions are not defined.
- Cites no legal authority or directive authorizing recognition.
- The summary sentence does not override the conditional operative text.
- Tone and structure align with a diplomatic courtesy reply, not a formal recognition instrument.
- Provides no instruction to immigration or border authorities.
- Taken together, these points suggest the letter is insufficient to demonstrate formal recognition. Given the discrepancies within the letter itself, Wikinews should avoid wording that overstates or implies official recognition without explicit supporting evidence. If the original reporter can independently verify formal recognition by Ecuador, either historically or presently, a correction might be appropriate.Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 21:26, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
- This is somewhat a bit like a AI analysis... However, the circumstances under which acceptance or rejection is made are not necessarily related to recognition. This statement alone is sufficient to prove that passports are recognized as travel documents, nothing more. I believe this is a typical case of conditional recognition, and the ambiguity of the conditions does not affect this point. ~ Sheminghui.WU (talk) 22:16, 2 December 2025 (UTC)