User talk:Bddpaux/Wikinews interviews Texas woman returned home following ordeal in China

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Actually!![edit]

...nevermind my NEVERMIND!! we spoke by phone just shortly after I'd given up!! Took loads of notes! --2600:1700:79D2:D950:7917:32D4:82BE:19F0 (talk) 16:09, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above was me! --Bddpaux (talk) 19:02, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • It appears Giraffe English is a fairly large company in China. I'm having a hard time, though, finding an email address for them. Apparently, they are heavily franchised and spread out all over the country. --Bddpaux (talk) 16:17, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Notes[edit]

I took a LOAD of notes on this interview, but I don't feel good do a question/answer style article, as I might've missed a couple of words and I'm a stickler about NOT misquoting people. --Bddpaux (talk) 19:01, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Her assignments: "Several places in Asia: Thailand, Hong Kong, China." --Bddpaux (talk) Stated there were a number of people on social media who questioned the veracity of her claims, which added to her stress. --Bddpaux (talk) 19:11, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • She stated she arrived in country on Jan. 12th and left there to return home to Texas on Feb. 20th. --Bddpaux (talk) 17:34, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The apartment she lived in was company-provided, and had company-sponsored wifi service. --Bddpaux (talk) 20:19, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Her male coworker was reportedly from California. He later contacted US media sources (using a reportedly false name) denying her account of her assault, alleging she was "frequently drunk [while in China]and things like that." She states she did not touch alcohol at all during her assignment there. --Bddpaux (talk) 20:22, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • There were no English speakers near her, other than her co-worker.--Bddpaux (talk) 21:45, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Due to having no passport/visa, she could not use public transportation and could not travel to the US Embassy. --Bddpaux (talk) 21:49, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Shortly after her arrival, much of the Coronavirus stuff starting showing up in news reports there. --Bddpaux (talk) 15:47, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Her pleas on social media garnered the attention of several Americans (who helped with a plane ticket, Visa arrangements, etc. Honestly, I wish I'd dug into that part a wee bit more.) --Bddpaux (talk) 15:49, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • She arrived just before the start of the Chinese New Year, so really did very little teaching...(a huge holiday in China); helped with a couple of demos, which she described as sales/marketing type events that school do in public places for parents to attend....sort of a 'show' of English speaking. --Bddpaux (talk) 15:51, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stated during interview (re: just after she arrived): " "Then coronavirus hit. I was stuck in my apartment." Her only real lifeline was her laptop. States she did have a small amount of contact with her parents/boyfriend, all of whom were in the US. --Bddpaux (talk) 15:53, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I asked several different times about other Americans, Brits...anyone she could've spoken with locally for help. She stated there were, "...no Americans, no English speakers other than the [one] male co-worker."--Bddpaux (talk) 16:04, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • She had to beg neighbors for a phone just to call police. They came (on two separate occassions), spoke very briefly with her then with a neighbor. "The first time, they did that, then went downstairs. I thought they were just interviewing other neighbors....but, no. I went down there and they had left. They just left the building. They hardly spoke to me. They didn't speak English." --Bddpaux (talk) 16:06, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Regarding the alleged attack, "My boss didn't believe me. She said, 'I need video.'" --Bddpaux (talk) 16:13, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • She told her boss, "I don't have video. He took my phone." --Bddpaux (talk) 16:14, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • States: "That guy was working in China illegally." Also: "You can get in trouble there for employing an American illegally. I could have been homeless. I could have been on the street. The wifi in that apartment and my laptop, that was my only link to the outside world." Also: "I had to retract my police statement or the company would've kicked me out of that apartment. I could've been on the street. I could've been homeless."--Bddpaux (talk) 16:17, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Remarks[edit]

@Bddpaux: Some of the wording, I can see, needs some work to achieve neutrality. Beware of subjective assertions (attribute them), and purple prose (tone it down or occasionally, when applicable, attribute it). This sort of thing might be easier for you to redress than for a reviewer; whatever you could do to help would be appreciated.

I hesitate to even ask for a shorter lede, as clearly this is tricky material to deal with. The lede is rather long and detailed though. --Pi zero (talk) 20:58, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Will try to address these issues. --Bddpaux (talk) 21:15, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think I'm going to try to bring out (more assertively) her initial statements to media and her early stuff pertaining to the virus outbreak. --Bddpaux (talk) 21:17, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are 4 stories here: An American saw firsthand what was happening in China as the Coronavirus stuff started landing; an American woman alleges that an American man assaulted and robbed her in China, while they were working there together; her boss did not believe her and the police under responded; she had a hard time getting back to Texas and some Americans were very helpful in that regard. On a lesser end: a bunch of Americans said nasty things about her following her return, both questioning the veracity of her claims and also largely about her walking about in public. I tried to stay focused. I wish (in hindsight) I'd asked more questions about the people who helped her get home. I think this interview is an important contribution to the project. --Bddpaux (talk) 21:55, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bddpaux: Because this is weighty stuff, it seems to call for pretty solid documentation. Notes here on the talk page feel a bit casual for the purpose, by themselves. I don't see anything about it on scoop, and the email I received directly was quite specific, not general documentation. Could you provide, well, something more substantial either to scoop or (if you feel that's not private enough for this purpose) by direct email? --Pi zero (talk) 22:38, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, indeed. I think I can just add it to the talk page. --Bddpaux (talk) 15:45, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sent you an additional email. I think I've covered everything as well as I can. The other media sources cover a few bits also. --Bddpaux (talk) 16:18, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Review of revision 4557387 [Not ready][edit]

Revision 4557387 of this article has been reviewed by Pi zero (talk · contribs) and found not ready at 19:05, 7 April 2020 (UTC).[reply]

  • Copyright: Not reviewed. Please address other issues.
  • Newsworthiness: Not ready: Article identity crisis, as well as time concerns; see below.
  • Verifiability: Not reviewed. Please address other issues.
  • NPOV: Not reviewed. Please address other issues.
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Comments by reviewer:

  • This article has a bit of an identity crisis (as the reporter has noted elsewhere), i.e., a focus problem. This is somewhat unusual for OR; it's not in Q&A format, for a perfectly reasonable reason, and therefore leans more heavily on the prose presentation to provide story structure. An interview provided mainly as a transcript only needs to provide an introduction, and then let the transcript speak for itself, whereas a prose article needs a focus.
There are three themes going on here: getting back from a foreign country where one got stuck, being assaulted by a co-worker, and being caught in the coronavirus situation in China. The TMT exclusive focuses on the getting-back, and brings in the other themes in supporting roles. The current form of this Wikinews article largely de-emphasizes the getting-back theme —I don't see the word "passport" or "visa" here, though it seems a significant part of her problem in getting back was her loss of these— and is relatively light on the coronavirus theme as well, but the co-worker theme isn't visible in the headline and only slightly in the lede, while it becomes much more prominent later.
  • For whatever reasons, the review of this has been greatly delayed, and we now further need a focus relevant to the situation that is. Perhaps, in finding a currently-relevant focus that some of the interview material could fit into, one ought to be looking for a phenomenon that some aspect(s) of the interviewee's experience would naturally relate to.

Questions about the above? Ask.

If possible, please address the above issues then resubmit the article for another review (by replacing {{tasks}} in the article with {{review}}). This talk page will be updated with subsequent reviews.

Revision 4557387 of this article has been reviewed by Pi zero (talk · contribs) and found not ready at 19:05, 7 April 2020 (UTC).[reply]
  • Copyright: Not reviewed. Please address other issues.
  • Newsworthiness: Not ready: Article identity crisis, as well as time concerns; see below.
  • Verifiability: Not reviewed. Please address other issues.
  • NPOV: Not reviewed. Please address other issues.
  • Style: Not reviewed. Please address other issues.

Comments by reviewer:

  • This article has a bit of an identity crisis (as the reporter has noted elsewhere), i.e., a focus problem. This is somewhat unusual for OR; it's not in Q&A format, for a perfectly reasonable reason, and therefore leans more heavily on the prose presentation to provide story structure. An interview provided mainly as a transcript only needs to provide an introduction, and then let the transcript speak for itself, whereas a prose article needs a focus.
There are three themes going on here: getting back from a foreign country where one got stuck, being assaulted by a co-worker, and being caught in the coronavirus situation in China. The TMT exclusive focuses on the getting-back, and brings in the other themes in supporting roles. The current form of this Wikinews article largely de-emphasizes the getting-back theme —I don't see the word "passport" or "visa" here, though it seems a significant part of her problem in getting back was her loss of these— and is relatively light on the coronavirus theme as well, but the co-worker theme isn't visible in the headline and only slightly in the lede, while it becomes much more prominent later.
  • For whatever reasons, the review of this has been greatly delayed, and we now further need a focus relevant to the situation that is. Perhaps, in finding a currently-relevant focus that some of the interview material could fit into, one ought to be looking for a phenomenon that some aspect(s) of the interviewee's experience would naturally relate to.

Questions about the above? Ask.

If possible, please address the above issues then resubmit the article for another review (by replacing {{tasks}} in the article with {{review}}). This talk page will be updated with subsequent reviews.
...and I think that is precisely what I will try to do. Maybe a montage of Americans' potential experiences/perspectives.....but I will HAVE TO focus on keeping it current and neutral. There is a smidge of what she and I spoke about that I could maybe fold into that. --Bddpaux (talk) 19:51, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
So, at the moment, here is my plan: I am moving 100% of this over to a sandbox. I think I could scoop a bit out of this and pour it into another article. I have a bad case of pandemic brain going right now, so my concentration is $hi^!!! So: delete this article. --Bddpaux (talk) 20:18, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bddpaux: Yeah, there's a lot of that going around. I have no difficulty sympathizing. --Pi zero (talk) 20:26, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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