# User talk:Diego Grez-Cañete/archive

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## Hello!

Hi MisterWiki! I just wanted to make it clear that I have nothing against you here, since I am very active here and so you may be seeing a lot of me. Wikipedia and Wikinews are very different, and as far as I'm concerned you are most welcome here and I have no hard feelings against you. What goes on over there stays there. It would be nice to see something positive come out of this. :) Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 20:27, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

:) --MisterWiki (talk) 20:28, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

## The Wikinews Writing Contest 2010 Newsletter

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## Writing contest newsletter: week 2

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## Original reporting

Where is the original reporting indicated here [1]? I thought everything was covered by the sources. If there is original reporting then it should have notes on the talk page. Nice article by the way, I've published it. ;-) Tempodivalse [talk] 03:00, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Well yes, I just could add that it lasted about 15 or 20 seconds. And thanks for publishing it. --Diego Grez let's talk 03:02, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

## images from other news organization

Just a reminder, you can't upload images from somebody competiting with us. So any image from another news organization is not ok.(The exception being if the article is about something that the competiting news organization did, like CNN typo mixes up prospective U.S. presidential candidate with Osama bin Laden.) Bawolff 02:33, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

OK. --Diego Grez let's talk 12:53, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
• Just to add to that, you might find something like a VoA article where you could reuse the images; however, that would require it to actually be an image they owned and thus, per their remit, released into the public domain. If they source from someone like AFP it will generally indicate so on the image and you can be sure you can not use it. --194.72.106.44 (talk) 14:52, 27 March 2010 (UTC) [Brian, but forgot my work account password - please don't DDoS this IP ;-)]

## Chile portal

Would you be willing to maintain the Chile portal? The lead was two years old before I updated it, and I think that with your constant reporting the portal could survive pretty well. Benny the mascot (talk) 03:40, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Oka. I did some retouches on the portal. Tell me if you like it ;-) --Diego Grez let's talk 19:04, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Looks great! Hopefully you've read this discussion as well? In theory the change (if it gets consensus) shouldn't affect you too much...you'll just have to edit a different page. FWIW... Benny the mascot (talk) 19:21, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Don't reupload. The image cannot be used here without a fair use rationale in accordance with US law. You also forgot the source. --Mikemoral♪♫ 02:00, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't saw it was deleted before uploading the high quality version, and after looking there was no previous version.. I said, oops. If you think it have to be deleted, delete it! Thanks. --Diego Grez let's talk 02:01, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

## I'll let the IRC logs speak for themself

```(10:58:55 PM) Pitsilemu: wazzaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap
(11:55:40 PM) mode (+o ShakataGaNai) by ChanServ
(11:56:00 PM) Pitsilemu left the room (Kicked by ShakataGaNai (either your a bot, or you are not.  Either way, no more random "greetings")).
(11:56:02 PM) Pitsilemu [pasqual@nightshade.toolserver.org] entered the room.
(11:56:03 PM) Pitsilemu: ShakataGaNai, I will smash your face!
(11:56:03 PM) Pitsilemu: Hallo
(11:56:25 PM) mode (+b Pitsilemu!*@*) by ShakataGaNai
(11:56:37 PM) Pitsilemu left the room (Kicked by ShakataGaNai (until you turn the auto-rejoin on kick off, you're banned)).
(11:56:46 PM) mode (-o ShakataGaNai) by ChanServ
```

--ShakataGaNai ^_^ 06:58, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. I'll have to do some retouches to the code... again. Thanks. --Diego Grez let's talk 13:05, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Done I have commited the new changes to SourceForge (I still can't do to google :-P) However, I'll have to wait until Pasqual can update the code (after Easter). --Diego Grez let's talk 13:19, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
What's the problem here? I've never had any issues with Pitsilemu's welcomes, they aren't any more random than the stuff we sometimes do in IRC, plus it helps give the channel a more fun/welcome atmosphere, imo. Cheers, Tempodivalse [talk] 13:22, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
I agree. I don't see a problem with the bot. Benny the mascot (talk) 14:04, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

## Barnstar

I award Diego Grez the Barnstar of National Merit for his diligent efforts to expand Wikinews's coverage of Chile.

I've always meant to give you a barnstar someday; I just never got around to actually doing it. Please accept this as a token of appreciation for all of your hard work.

By the way, I saw your RFA. It's quite disappointing that the rest of the community hasn't developed much confidence in you, despite your productive tenure here. For what it's worth, I would have supported you if you hadn't withdrawn the nomination. Anyway, have a great day! Benny the mascot (talk) 14:55, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! :-D --Diego Grez let's talk 17:09, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

## Disagree with Speedy Deletion

I object to you putting a "speedy delete" tag on my Wikinews article "New Zealand swimming team for 2010 Commonwealth Games" — Wikinews, {{{2}}} (the Commonwealth Games category still has a similar article on the Welsh 2006 swim team!) Hugo99 (talk) 03:46, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

/me notes that the speedy deletion tag was removed, and the article was not deleted. So there really should be no issue here. Bawolff 03:57, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

## Reviewer Promotion

I have promoted you to the Wikinews:Reviewer class, as I feel you can be trusted to mark revisions of articles as sighted (review). Please take a moment to read:

If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask for help on my talk page, and thank you for contributing to Wikinews!

Mikemoral♪♫ 04:10, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I forgot this :p --Mikemoral♪♫ 04:12, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:D Thanks. --Diego Grez let's talk 16:21, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

## Sorry

I'm logging off for the night before I reviewed. If it's still there when I log on next I'll review it. --Mikemoral♪♫ 04:56, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

OK. I'm going to sleep too. It's late :p --Diego Grez let's talk 04:57, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

## Thank you!

Thanks for supporting the new, improved audio wikinews. I also want to say thank you for your excellent reports from Chile. I've been following this story exclusively through your reports and you've done an outstanding job. Please, stay safe down there and let me know if you need anything or want me to focus the audio reports on anything in particular. Turtlestack (talk) 01:04, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

OK. Thank you! --Diego Grez return fire 01:36, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

## Interview

Hey. I just wanted to let you know I reverted your edit here to avoid confusion regarding my real name etc. –Juliancolton | Talk 16:01, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. I don't think so, but well, it's your article :-) --Diego Grez return fire 22:27, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

## British National Party loses all seats in Barking & Dagenham after general elections

I noticed this article showed up at Articles mispublished; apparently, EasyPeerReview failed to sight it. So I sighted it. --Pi zero (talk) 03:23, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

OK. Thanks. --Diego Grez return fire 15:06, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

## Thank you and sorry

Please allow me to offer you my apologies for casting doubt on your judgement with regards your reviews of the article Wikimedia founder Jimbo Wales moves to purge pornography from Commons. Please also allow me to offer you my thanks. After reflection, your comments together with that of other users has allowed me to better understand the how and why of the bias in the article.KTo288 (talk) 12:13, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

No worries. There wasn't even need to come here ;-) The article didn't seem fine and I was lazy to correct it. :-P --Diego Grez return fire 15:54, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

## Damn...

I'm glad it was written. That's what really matters, so I can incorporate my changes into that article. I would say mine was a more comprehensive look at the EPL's final day anyhow. Calebrw (talk) 22:40, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Do what you want ! ;-) --Diego Grez return fire 22:41, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

## Re:Sorry Again

Ok, sorry about that. Feel free to delete it. Tjc6 (talk) 02:26, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

## Lo siento

pero debes conseguir otro bot que haga el trabajo... la jodiste no más. Saludos --Superzerocool (talk) 03:07, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

## New message

You have a new message at my talk page. Best wishes. Immunize (talk) 15:01, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

## Hey!

Hey Diego, how you doin'? That photo-essay was brilliant. Hopefully with those minor tweaks I suggested it'll pass FAC :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:52, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Hey! Great. :) --Diego Grez return fire 22:03, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm on as HJM. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:08, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
OK :) --Diego Grez return fire 22:09, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

## Violence in Bangkok prompts closure of US embassy in Thailand - WN:SG compliance

Please note the following important points from the Style guide:

1. All numbers of 20 or less must be spelt out in full
2. All dates must be of the format Monthname daynumber, year.

When reviewing or writing articles please make sure you comply with these rules to ensure professional consistency in articles. -- Brian McNeil (alt. account) /alt-talkmain talk' 16:07, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

OK. --Diego Grez return fire 22:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Diego, if the only thing your bot's going to be doing is capitalising "special:/user:" and putting spaces after bullets, maybe you shouldn't run it at all? Especially to talk and policy pages, where it changes the meaning of users' posts? It looks exactly the same either way, it's honestly just pointless edits. Also, please make sure the machine doesn't remove legitimate links; that's already happened twice and it could be looking at a bot-block if it persists. Cheers, Tempodivalse [talk] 21:28, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Huhu. I'll remove the cosmetic changes part, but the one that removed links, was because they were bad links (interwikis). --Diego Grez return fire 21:29, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
Yes, but the bot shouldn't remove links on archived discussion pages, such this. That changes the meaning of another user's post - almost always a big no-no. Tempodivalse [talk] 21:32, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
Tempo, sure, I just have to remove the cosmetic changes part ;) --Diego Grez return fire 21:32, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
I thin what Tempo is trying to say (Tempo, please correct me if I'm mistaken) is that maybe your bot is doing much. I was watching the recent changes (avoiding WP for a few hours after the shitstorm I created yesterday) earlier and I have to say it was bordering on flooded by your bot and the edits it was making didn't seem to be doing anything consequential. Maybe it might not be such a good idea to run it- if it was doing that on WP, I have to say, it would never get BAG approval. I admire your skill at being able to write a bot, it's not something I could hope to do, but perhaps it might be an idea to leave it for a bit? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:32, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
I think so. (and I didn't write it) --Diego Grez return fire 22:33, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
I wasn't so much concerned about the flooding, but more about the purpose and point of the edits since they were - as you said - inconsequential - and removed content from discussion pages. Maybe just stick to interwikis? Tempodivalse [talk] 22:40, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
OK. --Diego Grez return fire 22:42, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

## Your bot in Ta Wikinews

Hi Diego, with regarding your request for the bot status in Tamil wikinews: tamil Wikinews has no bureaucrat, can you please request at m:Steward requests/Bot status (metawiki) to grant bot status for your bot, I will support you. Please let me know. Thanks you for your support. Regards.--Kanags (talk) 21:20, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Done [2] --Diego Grez return fire 21:23, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

## Hmm?

Care to explain why you reverted my edit using rollback? Inferno, Lord of Penguins (talk) 22:08, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

The article is completely new, for sure, but it is not breaking news. Breaking news are supposed to be news on internationally-relevant topics, unlike this one. I've never heard of this guy, absolutely. And it is {{celebrity "news"}} too. --Diego Grez return fire 22:11, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
Well, it would have helped if WN:Breaking news actually said what constitutes breaking news on it...alright. I'll remember that in the future. (If I make a mistake in the future, could you leave an edit summary explaining exactly what said error is? Otherwise I just get confused and might make it again. Thanks.) Inferno, Lord of Penguins (talk) 22:25, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
Diego, once again, please don't use rollback to revert edits that aren't your own or blatant vandalism. In this instance it would have been much more appropriate to use the "undo" button, with at least some reason as to why you're reverting. It's especially frustrating to new contributors when their edits are treated like this. Tempodivalse [talk] 23:55, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
It's okay, sorry if I was too blunt. Just try to be a little more careful in the future, is all . Cheers, Tempodivalse [talk] 00:01, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

To be clear, I don't think it's worth making a fuss about, I just wanted to know what I did wrong. Now I know, so it's all good. Inferno, Lord of Penguins (talk) 00:11, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

## User:Fire in the Hole

Diego, is Fire in the Hole (talk · contribs) a unified account? If it is, you need to let me know so I can block it on WP otherwise you'll be violating your restrictions there. Let me know here and, if it is, I can sort it out quietly over there. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:47, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes it is, but there's no need. I'm not using it on en.wp or es.wp. And I don't want to do. :) --Diego Grez return fire 17:34, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Fair enough :). While I see you're online, care to review Karzai visits UK for talks with new PM? It's been waiting for a while... HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:49, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
Done =) --Diego Grez return fire 01:51, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:04, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

## One of the articles you published

Hi Diego, just a heads-up, you may be interested in this discussion over an article you recently published. Tempodivalse [talk] 14:32, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

## A few notes

Diego, this feels kind of odd to be asking of you since you're far more established here than I am, but, please be more careful, particularly when reverting edits. For example, undoing a brand new editor's change without any more explanation than "no" is most unhelpful. On another note, I feel it would have been wise to leave this publish for a few more minutes- it needed a few aesthetic changes before publication which I was in the process of making when you published it. There are other examples, but I just want to get my point across. You need to think before you press buttons- undoing that edit with that summary was very bitey and publishing articles is not a race- if a better article results from leaving it for half an hour, that's a better result than having an imperfect article published. Sorry to berate you like this, really I am, but it needs to be said. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:51, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

OK. I understand perfectly. Have left him a message --Diego Grez return fire 23:53, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
That's great :). We all make mistakes (especially me!). As long we learn from them, there's no real damage done. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:01, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
:) You can also take a look to what I have redacted for Matthewedwards. User:Diego Grez/adopt/Matthewedwards ;) --Diego Grez return fire 00:03, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
That's quite an impressive guide actually! I wish I'd had that when I first started out here! You might want to cover some of the stuff other than article writing though like the water coolers, copyediting etc. Anyway, once I've finished being yelled at over on WP for not protecting someone's article, I'm going to bed! :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:16, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
I see. I watch your talk page on IRC ;) You can someday take a look at my channel, there is a bot that reports all the edits to your and my talk pages.
<SoxBot> New edit: User talk:HJ Mitchell http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=363107986&oldid=363106858 * Qotsa37 * (+152) /* semi-protection of Attack Attack! (album) */
;) --Diego Grez return fire 00:20, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

...has been granted Reviewer permissions. Cheers, Pmlineditor discuss 08:49, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. --Diego Grez return fire 16:50, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

## Condolences

Hi Diego. I'm sorry to hear about your aunt. I'm sure she will be missed by loving relatives such as yourself. And don't worry about Wikinews; we can take care of ourselves. Just come back if or when you feel like it. Benny the mascot (talk) 00:51, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, I'm sorry to hear about that. You're welcome to email me if you want to chat. Hope to see you back when you're ready. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:10, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Thank you guys. :) (/me is on the road). --Diego Grez return fire 01:54, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
My condolences as well Diego. May she rest in peace. Regards --Александр Дмитрий (Alexandr Dmitri) (talk) 06:58, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks Alexandr. I think so :) --Diego Grez return fire 14:27, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
May I also add my condolences. KTo288 (talk) 14:49, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

## US scientist creates 'artificial life'

Can you have another look at US scientist creates 'artificial life' I added a coda to it not knowing that it had already been published. I would have added it with another account if I had known. If its not useful I'll revert to the previously sighted draft. Thanks.KTo288 (talk) 14:49, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

It was published too. :) --Diego Grez return fire 14:50, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi Diego. I had to delete one of the articles you kept in Story Preparation. See here for my reasons why (without getting into too much detail over sensitive matters) Benny the mascot (talk) 04:25, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

So, if I can make him publish his name, or if he doesn't wants to. I'll just remove his name and then you can delete the old revisions. I think. --Diego Grez return fire 13:32, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
If he lets you publish his name, then I will undelete the article. Otherwise, you must create a new article (new title as well) with his identity suppressed. Benny the mascot (talk) 14:17, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
Sure. --Diego Grez return fire 14:18, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

## I see you're on...

Would you mind taking a look at Beckham visits British troops in Afghanistan? Much obliged :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:11, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Done :) --Diego Grez return fire 17:15, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:25, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

## My Condolences

My condolences to you and your family during this difficult time. Come back when you feel ready to, there's no rush. Tjc6 (talk) 19:42, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. --Diego Grez return fire 19:43, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
From myself as well. Times like these are always tough. I hope you're doing ok. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 20:24, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
Thank you too :) I hope this strange sensation can go soon, as well. The had been on my house last week, and suddenly she fell ill. Well, she was diabetic. She is feeling better right now :) --Diego Grez return fire 20:26, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

## Contest

 Silver Medal Diego Grez has received 2nd place in the May 2010 Wikinews writing contest, having contributed 14 articles and earned 122 points.

Mikemoral♪♫ 23:56, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Yay! --Diego Grez return fire 23:48, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

## From waray-waray wikipedia

Hi Diego. I have a message for you in Waray-waray wikipedia --JinJian (talk) 10:46, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

## flagged revisions in Ta wikinews

Hi Diego, left a message here: [3]. Thanks.--Kanags (talk) 11:37, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

## Publish - unpublish

Tis OK. I started the article when no other was started, as I had checked, but I took so long in writing it, that the other article was finished first. No problems. I just got to learn how to type faster  ;-) SriMesh | talk 00:02, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

OK :) --Diego Grez return fire 00:03, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
I did a tiny merge, but my article was more international, and the other one was more U.S., so the sources and content don't match the title. The article as it is now stands alone very well and all is as it should be for now. Kind Regards SriMesh | talk 00:12, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
Sure, excuse me for the chaos. --Diego Grez return fire 00:22, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

## Longer statement

Fox News's attempt to slime us for hosting artworks seems to have mostly blown over, which was pretty predictable, and would likely have happened far faster if it weren't for Jimbo's attempted cover-up. So long as we can point to a compelling educational value in our controversial images, it would be hard to really attack us and make us stick. Indeed, had Jimbo acted sensibly, he'd have made a press release pointing out the educational value of hosting notable works by French Decadent artists, and Fox News would've had a much weaker article that didn't include them being able to talk about "thousands" of deletions - and yet look at how much remains! (It was actually about 400 deletions, before the undeletions started. One suspects Jimbo's the one that fed them that thousands line somehow, not bothering to check, and... well, that's speculation.) Anyway, this would've been more-or-less over with, had sensible behaviour reigned.

But our defense depends on educational value. If the images don't have a legitimate educational value, if they're only intended to provoke, shock, and push the boundaries, with no artistic, historical, or educational value, then we're going to find it hard to defend ourselves. So we probably do need a policy on sexual content, but it can't be based on lies about laws, or knee-jerk capitulations to a scandalmongering media outlet: Instead, it needs to be about education.

Competent behaviour by Jimbo would've resulted in a review of the educational value of our images, and I'm sure that we'd have found some which should've been deleted. I don't know, honestly, I'm not that interested in photography, and don't really want to look at random pornographic images, in deletion logs that require you to click through to the full-sized image just to find out what they were. But notable artworks attacked and deleted, including some from my own field of expertise, engravings.

Look at it this way. One of my favourite engravers, and one which I have quite a number of Featured Pictures from, is Gustave Doré. His engravings to Dante's Inferno, which I only own a rather beaten-up copy of (though with the engravings themselves in good condition) are considered some of the best illustrations produced for Dante's work. However, the Inferno contains nudity and a lot of extreme violence. Doré depicts that. Now, imagine my reaction to seeing Jimbo deleting artworks as pornographic, at the same time as advocating for sadomasochistic works to be included in the list, and refusing to talk about where the line's going to be drawn until he's deleted everything - and that immediately after he had seemingly agreed artworks should be protected, and is now deleting artworks. That's pretty much how I got involved with this. Artworks I love, which are considered some of the masterworks of engraving, contain some incidental nudity, and some fairly extreme violence, because that's what the book they're illustrating is like. Who knew where it was going to end?

It's very hard to rebuild a destroyed collection. If we delete, as Jimbo did, Felicien Rops and Franz von Bayros - notable artists with their own articles on English Wikipedia - can we ever get their works back? My experience has shown that we don't have a lot of things you'd think we would in engravings, and have very few contributors of new scans of them. Once we decide artworks are pornography, even if this interpretation exists only in the mind of Fox News and Jimbo, how can I trust him not to suddenly decide that this illustration of The Inferno isn't pornographic too, deleting hours of work? Or deciding that Loki being tied naked to a rock with a snake dripping venom on him was BDSM, and so had to be deleted? How about this image from the Library of Congress, which I think is A. a horrible image, but B. does an exceptionally good job at illustrating why The Taming of the Shrew is rather uncomfortable to modern audiences, by bringing out the inherent misogyny?

However, when challenged about one of the artworks he deleted, he wrote that "I have redeleted the image for the duration of the cleanup project. We will have a solid discussion about whether Commons should ever host pornography and under what circumstances at a later day - June 1st will be a fine time to start."

In short, he was acting in a way that he says was "confusing people about [his] own position on what to keep" while he point-blank refused to discuss any of his actions for nearly an entire month.

Is it any wonder, in those circumstances, that people got upset, and that there was no way of telling where it would end?

[There. Divide that up a bit, slip in some questions of your choice, and you should have a decent article on my views =)]

Adam Cuerden (talk) 07:22, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

OK. I'll use this on the page. Thanks Adam. (Sorry for the delay, didn't notice this ;) ) --Diego Grez return fire 01:46, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

## Lolol story

Hola, Diego! I read your story on Lolol for today's show. I was really looking forward to doing it on Saturday before my weekend got cut short, but, hopefully, late is better than never. Keep the great stories coming, especially anything from Chile. BTW: I'm glad you did the Copernicus story as well; anything science related (especially astronomy) piques my interest, so thank you for that one too. Keep up the excellent work. Turtlestack (talk) 01:44, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

OK! :) --Diego Grez return fire 01:45, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

## Dupe of story on Gary Coleman's death

Hi Diego, it seems that we both created articles on the death of Gary Coleman (Gary Coleman dies aged 42, American actor Gary Coleman dies after suffering brain hemorrhage), lets try to merge them and get them published. Thanks, Cocoaguytalkcontribs 19:29, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

## NOTI7's reporter Aníbal Archila killed by Pacaya volcano

Hello there. I did a bit on the article you started (added image, categories) I am not sure if the reporter is notable enough in the news, and has enough info for an obituary. Possibly the article should have the {{Guatemala}} infobox instead. 'Tis up to you. Kind Regards SriMesh | talk 18:25, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

### Merger?

As the reporter's death is also noted on the other volcano story - Pacaya volcano erupts; "state of public calamity" decreed - possibly the two articles should be merged.SriMesh | talk 18:30, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

No. I decided to write an article about him because the story is interesting enough, or I had written it instantly on the other article (that I'd write too) ;) --Diego Grez return fire 18:37, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
Thank you - also replied on article talk page. SriMesh | talk 19:32, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Sunday, 30 May 2010

Hey Diego Grez,

Hope yr having a good day - The page is updated now, I changed the heading and updated the source link can you please review?? Thanks again please let me know if this updated version is ok Tin_Alley_set_to_take_on_the_world Cheers, Wikihead

Sunday, 30 May 2010.. 5.30pm

Hey Diego Grez,

The article is refreshed and contains new news thanks

Hmm. The content is exactly the same, you just changed the title. --Diego Grez return fire 13:21, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

The article that needs to be renamed is BP: Plug for underwater oil leak in Gulf of Mexico implemented‎. The plug failed, I think the article should be renamed to reflect that (the content was expanded to include the failure as well as the implementation). Thanks --DUKyleXY (talk) 14:21, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

I added a possible headline to the talk page of the article. I was the one that updated the existing brief. --DUKyleXY (talk) 14:24, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Done --Diego Grez return fire 14:27, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

## Griffinofwales

Diego, please don't call an established editor a vandal; Griffin's depublish may have been controversial but it wasn't vandalism by any means. Seems like things are getting somewhat heated; maybe you'd like to take a break from editing the article in question? Tempodivalse [talk] 21:36, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

An established editor... lol. It's obvious he doesn't knows anything about policies. --Diego Grez return fire 21:37, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
But ok. I'm gonna abstain from editing that. The article is not to be unpublished, anyway. That guy, because he doesn't likes anything, everything needs to be like he wants... like this time unpublish it, as he tried last time with this. well. no. --Diego Grez return fire 21:39, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

## News Article Updated

Monday, 31 may 2010 Hey Diego,

Hope all is well - I changed the news article FYI all sources are updated and the news article has been changed but you didn't reply to my last message or review the page to remove yr stale link?? Now all seems to be fine in my eyes can you please go over thanks Australian_rock_group_Tin_Alley_moves_on_independent_release regards, Wikhead

## Category:Obituaries

Hallo, Diego. I won't revert your edit, but did you actually read w:Obituary? --Matthiasb (talk) 09:07, 1 June 2010 (UTC) PS: Nice job you're doing covering South America.

Hmm. Okay. --Diego Grez return fire 12:45, 1 June 2010 (UTC) I misunderstood your message. The article is about the death of someone, and that's why it uses Obituary. --Diego Grez return fire 19:22, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
Diego: An obituary is more than just an article about someone's death. It also goes into detail about the main events in the person's life - for example, British Formula Two driver Henry Surtees dies after race accident not only explains the circumstances of the new development (in this case the death; it could also be something like a funeral) - it also gives an account of his short life. (edit conflict.... that was a current discussion, last reply minutes ago) Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 19:31, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
OK. --Diego Grez return fire 19:43, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

## Sports Prefixes

Could you please take a look at Wikinews:Water_cooler/policy#Sports_Prefixes. Please give your thoughts there. Calebrw (talk) 18:25, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

## More help needed for Ta wikinews

Hi Diego, How can I add "Share this: (FB, TW, etc..)" box to the articles in Tamil Wikinews pages. I could't find any relevant templates here. Thanks for your help.--Kanags (talk) 01:26, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I'll take a look. Cheers. --Diego Grez return fire 01:28, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks Diego, It is included in the Publish template. I'll look into it. If I need any help I'll let you know. Thanks.--Kanags (talk) 01:41, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
I think, because of the url encoding this may not work with Tamil articles. What do you think?--Kanags (talk) 02:19, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
Oh thanks Diego. It works. Cheers.--Kanags (talk) 02:21, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
No problem, it was just a problem with the images |link thing. I have fixed them, and removed some that don't have picture. (I took the pictures from Spanish's {{published}}). Cheers. --Diego Grez return fire 02:23, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

i have developed the article since your review.

--Polysynaptic (talk) 17:05, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

--Polysynaptic (talk) 17:49, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

how can you say it's old news? it's still hot in Turkey and the ban is still in operation. it's the restriction of Internet we are talking about.

your last review is not decent. i'm sorry.

--Polysynaptic (talk) 17:51, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

It is. We do not publish 2-3 days old news! --Diego Grez return fire 17:52, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

## The Rambling Man

Diego, calling someone a troll is not the way to decrease drama. C628 (talk) 21:26, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

I think so, but he is trolling. --Diego Grez return fire 21:27, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
"You are a troll" != "You are trolling". Maybe not the most tactful way of going about it, but not the same. --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 21:28, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

## Creating unnecessary drama

Diego, please consider not chiming into conversations unless you have something constructive to add. This wasn't exactly relevant or helping the topic at hand. Thanks, Tempodivalse [talk] 22:37, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Sure. But you know that is the truth. --Diego Grez return fire 22:38, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

## Wikinews interviews a Wikimedia Commons administrator, regarding the sexual content controversy

I Diego,

• I would maybe change the first line to something like; Wikinews' Diego Grez has spoken to Adam Cuerden,
• I am not sure about this line, I think Jimbo dated someone from it for a while, Rachael Marsden, something like that. ~~ Mrchris (talk) 14:01, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

## :D

This barnstar is for helping me. Enjoy! 03:26, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
/me is enjoying! --Diego Grez return fire 03:28, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

## England vs. Algeria Match move

Just a question as to why this was moved onto my personal page rather than as an article? NickyJ101 (talk) 19:56, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Because you are still working on it, and it is not published yet. --Diego Grez return fire 19:57, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Fair enough of a point, probably should have point develop on the top. NickyJ101 (talk) 19:59, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
...And? Wanna move ever other article in development while you're at it? Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 20:00, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Shall we agree to move it back after the match, it's quite disruptive when being moved with constant editing NickyJ101 (talk) 20:06, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Heh. I don't wanted to be disruptive you, by contrast, I just wanted to make it better. Move back whenever you want. --Diego Grez return fire 20:07, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Don't worry about it, will do once the game is over. Also do you think that giving this sort of 'live commentary' is a good idea for Wikinews? Have had some positive feedback so far. NickyJ101 (talk) 20:10, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Not really sure. WN articles should adhere to our style guide after all. --Diego Grez return fire 20:11, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Moved back, have edited to help it conform better to the style by adding match summary. Have submitted to the reviewers and see what they think NickyJ101 (talk) 20:29, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

## The quickest question

You could probably guess from this I'm new, but in the Watchlist, what are the numbers next to the article? Thanks NickyJ101 (talk) 22:20, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't think Diego's here right now, so I hope he doesn't mind if I answer. The numbers is how many letters changed between revisions. For example (+22) means that the edit in question added 22 letters to that page. Bawolff 22:26, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick response bawolff. I was preparing the following reply:
Well, I have this on my watchlist:

(diff | hist) . . User talk:Diego Grez‎; 22:20 . . (+228) . . NickyJ101 (Talk | contribs) [rollback]

By the numbers I assume you mean the green thing. Well, that is the number of bytes added in that edition. --Diego Grez return fire 22:28, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, that makes more sense now. Thanks NickyJ101 (talk) 22:46, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

## here v there

:P Benny the mascot (talk) 22:39, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

He made the same mistake on his WB userpage. Kayau (talk · contribs) 09:00, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi, just stopping by to drop you a note that you made a typo in your WB userpage. It should be 'not here', not 'not there'.　I welcomed you there BTW. Kayau (talk · contribs) 08:59, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Yep, I saw. I have been correcting my userpage cross-wikily. --Diego Grez return fire 11:51, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

## Hello!

I've just found you on your Bavarian user-page (Boarisch). No wonder that you have no Bavarian; my Mapudungun is very rusty, either ;-) . But I propose to create something like a Mapudungun-Bavarian partnership in the Wikipedia - what do you think of it? Hellsepp 22:20, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Nice idea! However, my Mapudungun isn't much either, and Mapudungun doesn't has its own Wikipedia yet :( incubator:Wp/arn Feel free to poke me anytime. Cheers! --Diego Grez return fire 23:02, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

## Australian Labor Party caucus vote to change prime minister

Please review --RockerballAustralia c 23:56, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

## Wikimedia Foundation board resolution

Your interview topic is news again. Links at User talk:Diego Grez/Wikinews interviews a Wikimedia Commons administrator regarding the sexual content controversy#It is news again - new board resolution (and lengthy statement). --InfantGorilla (talk) 10:56, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the message! I couldn't reply before because I was using a phone, but thanks anyway! :-) --Diego Grez return fire 20:03, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

## Reinforcing our guideline for approaching interviewees

I notice that you told Adam Cuerden: "The interview is for Wikinews, by the way." Surprisingly (to me) your source was unaware that no one can promise publication, and Wikinewsies can only represent ourselves as individuals, not a group or community.

In future, it is best to avoid mentioning Wikinews unless asked. Allow me to remind you of the words in bold near the bottom of WN:OR: "when contacting sources, you must represent yourself as an independent author/researcher, not as a 'representative' of Wikinews."

Your mistake was one of omission. I put it down to your inexperience, and a quite reasonable expectation that Mr Cuerden was aware of how wikis such as Wikinews operate.

Stuff happens, especially to inexperienced Wikinewsies, like me: a year ago I taped some interviews that didn't get published due to circumstances. (I am glad I remembered not to mention Wikinews. I may not get friendly treatment the next time those sources see my face, but Wikinews is unharmed.)

I suggest (from my shared inexperience):

1. Offer a polite personal apology to Mr Cuerden for giving him false expectations. (His misunderstanding is your fault.)
2. Don't be discouraged. Keep politely gathering news (OR). I suspect that professionalism only takes experience to learn.

--InfantGorilla (talk) 10:04, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

## IRC Geni

Olá, vi que traduzis-te a geni para inglês, ainda tens os ficheiros originais em catalão? Se puderes, procura-me no irc, em #wikipedia-pt . Obrigado. Alchimista (talk) 16:38, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

OK. --Diego Grez return fire 17:12, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

## One big local sport FA push

I just want to get your thoughts on whether this is on track for FA status. Obviously some of the info will need to be changed as needed and it isn't until September.

I want to prepare it as thoroughly as possible, so queries and suggestions are welcome. --RockerballAustralia c 10:35, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I'll give you my thoughts this evening. Cheers, Diego Grez return fire 17:16, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for what you said about the one-line short summary box. I'll use it more in future.

Shankarnikhil88 (talk) 02:10, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

## Post office photograph

Diego, Did you notice that the post office image (File:Demolition of Pichilemu post office.jpg) has disappeared? An admin at Commons suggested that you try to upload it again, with a different file name.

--InfantGorilla (talk) 12:09, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Saw the discussion, and the file is re-uploaded as File:Pichilemu post office demolition.jpg. Thanks for noticing me! Diego Grez return fire 18:03, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

## Sorry

Sorry about the problem with the permissions page. When voting, I accidentally deleted the interwiki part, and I tried to patch it back up (but it looks like I failed). Anyway, sorry, I'll be more careful.

--Shankarnikhil88 (talk) 22:25, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

## Why?

Hello, why did you revert my changes on Popmusicbuff's page? I was leaving a comment that self-publishing is not allowed. --Shankarnikhil88 (talk) 21:56, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

1. You weren't logged in;
2. You were a bit bite-y;
Feel free to readd these comments logged in. Thanks. Diego Grez return fire 21:57, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
What's wrong with him adding those comments as an IP? They're not vandalism and you should not be rolling them back. This is abusing the rollback tool, Diego Grez. Either way (talk) 22:01, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
*g* Maybe it wasn't proper, but well, next time try to log in :) Diego Grez return fire 22:02, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Again, why does he need to log in? Please do not jump on anonymous user's edits simply because they are anonymous users. Either way (talk) 22:09, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
It's just a suggestion, he can take it or leave it. I don't really care about it but it lets us know who is really editing. And, again I'll be careful with the rollback, Either, take it easy :-) Diego Grez return fire 22:24, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

## Review my revision

Hey there Diego Grez, it would be appreciated if you could review my revision here. Thanks. MC10 (TCL) 17:31, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Done :) Diego Grez return fire 17:35, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
Thank you. MC10 (TCL) 17:42, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

## Did you translate my username to Spanish?

Muchas gracias, El Gorila Infante --InfantGorilla (talk) 20:05, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Haha :P Diego Grez return fire 20:10, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

## Myself

Since you voted oppose on me,, I have created more articles like you said. Are you still against me or nuetral. I doubt that you would support. --Nascar1996 03:08, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry, be happy :-) Diego Grez return fire 03:11, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
LOL!!! You've tipped the scales, Diego! Nascar1996's nomination is starting to get a bit more successful. :) Benny the mascot (talk) 03:13, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Yes from 50% support to 56% percent support. Now I need to ask everyone else because I am serious about this. Anyway I need to make sure that they still think the same thing to set my goals higher. --Nascar1996 03:17, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Please cancel my review. I don't even need that. The main purpose I started editing on here was to up date NASCAR news for w:Portal:NASCAR.--Nascar1996 17:29, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for opposing. After I think about it I won't be reviewing articles I just want it so every time I edit the United States lead someone else would not have to review the pending changes. --Nascar1996 17:37, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

## Review this redirect

Please review this redirect. Thanks. MC10 (TCL) 23:36, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Done Diego Grez return fire 23:37, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. MC10 (TCL) 23:42, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

...you know better than to edit other people's comments: [4]. Either way (talk) 03:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm completely fine with it. I can't wait until next week when I create more articles. (NASCAR is off this week).--Nascar1996 03:41, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Seriously it was nothing special. Just a typo fix ;) Diego Grez return fire 03:57, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

## Redirect categories

Just FYI, you cannot use redirect categories. You must put articles in the correct category. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:08, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Huh, what? Diego Grez return fire 18:17, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

## West Virgnina senator

I think it needs to be renamed as in he is only the substitute senator until November. --Nascar1996 23:23, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Probably, but it could result in a very long title. Diego Grez return fire 23:25, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Okay, I noticed that you edit on Wikipedia. --Nascar1996 00:26, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

## Bot flag request on nl-wiki

Dear Diego Grez, I have looked into your bot-edits on nl-wiki so far, and they seem okay to me. Please perform some more of them. Typically your bot flag will be set about a week after your request, when no objections are made. Kind regards, Lymantria (talk) 06:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Glad to hear that, thanks. Diego Grez return fire 21:36, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

## wikisource

Ciao! Muchas gracias por tu trabajo sobre Alghe della laguna! Candalua (talk) 21:35, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

No problemo! :-) Diego Grez return fire 21:36, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

## sr wiki

Please, stop the bot on sr wiki, and wait for resolving the request.--Metodicar (talk) 22:45, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Done Diego Grez return fire 22:49, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you.--Metodicar (talk) 22:57, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

## lt wiki

Bot status are granted --Vpovilaitis (talk) 10:54, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Diego Grez return fire 15:09, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

## arz wikipedia

• Diego Grez Bot is not registered on arz.wikipedia yet and no edits has been done using it.once your Bot account is registered and a few edits have been done , your bot could be given a bot flag. Please stat some edits. Best wishes.--Ghaly (talk) 12:58, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
OK, I'm doing. Diego Grez return fire 15:10, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Done.--Ghaly (talk) 14:19, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

You may not know Breton and so dont understand that Katolik Breizh was banned and his insults should be removed. If you dont trust my word ask admins in breton wiki. Regards. 92.158.209.142 (talk) 17:11, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

## Diego Grez Bot on :fr

Hola,

Your botflag request has been granted on fr:wikipedia.

Adios, Popo le Chien (talk) 16:28, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

## Wikibooks

I have found out, while casually looking at your talk page, that you have several bots. If you can build one that does the same thing as SineBot for Wikibooks, it would be great, because at WB we are currently lacking working bots. Thanks for taking time to read this. Kayau (talk · contribs) 14:48, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

## Actually, it was unpublished

Just to be clear, the article was not published at the time I removed it from the lead. It had been published, briefly, but it wasn't anymore since Brian McNeil had removed the template. Without the template, it was not in Category:Published, and therefore it didn't appear on the DPL on the main page — even though it did appear as a lead. You published the article, by adding the template — the old-fashioned way, by hand, rather than by using EasyPeerReview. --Pi zero (talk) 04:57, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

## Please don't do it again

The way you and BKCW8 both behaved is getting in the way of everyone gathering news. --InfantGorilla (talk) 14:49, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Huh? A joke is a joke. I'm not disrupting anything, just mockering him. If that guy has no humour sense, it is not my fault. Diego Grez return fire 23:21, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
You are wrong about it not being disruptive. It's corrosive to the project. BTW, if you successfully provoke him, of course it's your fault; that doesn't make it any less his fault, but fault is not zero-sum. --Pi zero (talk) 00:11, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

## Certificate of participation

${\displaystyle {\color {Blue}{\mathfrak {Wikinews}}}:{\color {Sepia}The\;Free\;News\;Source}}$

Certificate of Participation

This certifies that Diego Grez participated in the May 2010 writing contest, writing 14 articles for 122 points in the course of the competition. Good work.

Furthermore you came in second. Good work! Bawolff 08:50, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Diego Grez return fire 22:38, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

## Tone it down

I'm sorry, but your tone of language doesn't need to be EXAGGERATELY BIG either. Isn't Wikinews supposed to be friendly? Your comment sounds hostile. --Shankarnikhil88 (talk) 22:35, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Take it as a joke, it's my manner to say things. No offense/whatever intended ;) Diego Grez return fire 22:37, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

## Justin Bieber on main page

Hi Diego. As I said in my edit summary, he does have a huge fanbase, and having that on the front page will bring them into the site. If just one of those then chooses to stay and edit, that's A Good Thing. Personally, I have no interest in him. As for saying "it's not news", then why was it not nuked, or declined at the reviewing stage. One of the criteria is that it has to be news for it to be published, and this was published (I do note it wasn't you who reviewed and okayed it). Seems a bit elitist to me to say its newsworthy enough go be published, but we can't let people read it. Does the Main Pag. e have topics that are banned? If so I wasn't aware. Matthewedwards (talk) 23:40, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

No. BarkingFish just beated me to review it, and I was going to tag it as not news, because it is not. There are more important topics to cover than a worthless singer that always repeat the same word. Also, the fact that it appears on the automaticly-generated right sidebar and on Google News, it doesn't change much. Diego Grez return fire 23:50, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

## Vandalism

User talk:98.177.155.42 was blanked yet again by the IP user right after the protection on the page expired. The user also created several vandalism pages. Looks like it's more than passing vandalism and you've got yourself a problem child. Adrignola (talk) 12:33, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

User:Mikemoral has taken care of it. :) Diego Grez return fire 17:23, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

## Shooting from the hip...

Your sig does welcome topic responses with headlines like this; but, I figure it'll tickle your sense of humour.

RE: Closing requests for Reviewer... Please bear in mind that the style guide specifies spell out all numbers of twenty or less. That includes two. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:30, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed after I published the article, but well, it's fine after all :) Diego Grez return fire 22:42, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

## I don't know how this happened

MakeLead put an unpublished story on the front page

Would you talk with Bawolff and maybe get to the bottom of how this happened, so you can prevent others from making a similar error, please? --InfantGorilla (talk) 09:25, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't know either :-S . My Internet connection has became annoying-ly slow. I remember to have published that article. Well. Diego Grez return fire 14:39, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
It looks like diego tried to publish the article [5] but easy peer review failed. If easy peer review didn't detect it failed (it should detect, but it doesn't always as its a piece of crap ;) ), it presents diego with the success screen, which advises him to use Make Lead. Make lead itself doesn't check if the article is published, but assumes that if you got to that point its already been checked. Bawolff 17:47, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

## EPR and flood

It occurs to me that EPR might have gotten confused (not that it isn't always a bit confused) by the flood flag. --Pi zero (talk) 00:29, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I thought so. :-) Anyway, it wasn't hard to correct it . :-P Cheers, Diego Grez return fire 00:31, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Also, for some odd reason I don't know, I can't move pages using my main account. I will use this one to do that job. Diego Grez (alternate account) alt. talk 00:34, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

## Why so against Wackynews?

By golly, why on earth are your so against these? If you say the style is so bad, why not leave some comments about how to fix it instead of saying "it's horrible"? It's something new, and Wikinews needs something new. --Shankarnikhil88 (talk) 23:47, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm not against them, I just don't think they are newsworthy, and the King of New Zealand's article fails so epicly the WN:SG that it just couldn't be published as it is now. Capisci? Diego Grez return fire 23:52, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Well, Wikinews doesn't need something new, it needs people reviewing the good articles we're already writing...Why are we so against it? I'm so against it because it's the confluence of a few bad ideas: Wackynews (which is often tenuously "wacky"), Shorts (which never get reviewed on time) and Notnews. When articles are dying by the armload in the queue because people aren't reviewing, it dilutes Wikinews's integrity to deliberately load its output with time-wasting crap. --Killing Vector (talk) 00:00, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I know that the Newsroom is butchering half of the articles created, including many stale ones that should've been published days before. Maybe Wikinews doesn't need something new, it needs more reviewers and reviewers that review. That's why I'm trying to become a reviewer. Worried that I would have passed that Wackynews Shorts? Probably not without a lot of editing; your standards rise when you become a reviewer.--Shankarnikhil88 (talk) 00:24, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Well, I do review articles sometimes, but I have been busy recently sorting the requests for permisions in subpages, but I will do some reviews now. It's sad that almost no one actually edited Wikinews. Diego Grez return fire 00:28, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Its less of something new and more of a centralisation of something old! Just because you in vision something different to I, doesn't mean you have the right to be openly counteractive! By your own admission you have not been so involved with wikinews as of late, so who are you to make such bold and fresh moves?BKCW8 talk 08:25, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Diego, see my message on the wackynews talk. And BCKW8, your logic is flawed. Anyone can be bold and contribute here, regardless of activity. Stop responding to Diego and Diego stop worrying about the article. Merge this and the regular shorts together (Wackynews is not a word, either) and be done with it please. 16:58, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
I don't care. The fact is, that these "news" are not taken seriously. It's preferrable to write about more important topics IMO. Diego Grez return fire 18:25, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
It's news all the same, and it accepted under current policy. If you want to change what we allow and do not allow, please gain consensus elsewhere, but not try and block this article for WP:IDONTLIKEIT. 19:13, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Meh. Diego Grez return fire 19:15, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

## De-flooding Fire in the Hole

so you have an account readily available for when you want to make potentially controversial edits, since you don't have the ability to temporarily de-flood yourself whenever something comes up. Longer explanation here. --Pi zero (talk) 17:39, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Pi zero, nothing that I did with "Fire in the Hole" was really controversial rather than moving pages, something I could not do with my main account because it triggered the abuse filter "Pattern vandalism #4", that disallowed me the right to move 'em. Otherwise, I would have done them by myself. Also, I reviewed one page with it, but it clearly showed my name, I have nothing to hide. I still can't move pages. That's my reasoning. Diego Grez return fire 17:56, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Um, that's not what I meant. It's not that you did anything controversial with Fire in the Hole, it's that you did something controversial, period. Therefore, you need to have the means to do controversial things without the flood flag, which is the ethical way to do them. An admin would just temporarily de-flood themself. Since you have to ask someone else to toggle the flag for you, and that's not practical when something comes up that you want to act on in real time, as long as you're hanging on to the flood flag for an extended period, you need to have an account available to you that doesn't have flood.
I acknowledge the page move problem is a puzzle. You could, I suppose (but am not fond of this idea), temporarily have two alternate accounts, one with and one without the flood flag; the pre-existing one would have to have the flood flag, because the second alternate would be new and therefore incapable of moving pages. If you've got a better way to reconcile the needs for a non-flood account and a move-capable flood account, I'd be glad to hear it. --Pi zero (talk) 18:34, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Ah, yes, I misunderstood the original comment. I don't think I would need any moves from now, but if I would have to use "Fire in the Hole" again to move, I don't think it would flood the Recent Changes, so no flood flag for it anymore, for security reasons (it's the account I use in the school and cyber-cafes). --Diego Grez return fire 18:39, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

## I'm not Sam Santiago

Just because I write a page on the guys wife doesn't mean that I'm him... In fact I'm a completely different person... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yamariel (talkcontribs) 19:03, 9 August 2010

I noticed you weren't Sam Santiago after doing some researching. Wikinews does not accept editorials, specially not written with a neutral point of view. You are w:Yeshiyah Amariel. I have presented a sockpuppetry investigation on Wikipedia about you. Diego Grez return fire 19:05, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

## Logged out edit

I suppose you'll want your IP removed from the page history? Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 17:22, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Go ahead, play with your tools around a bit :-P. Diego Grez return fire 17:24, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

## Re: Comments on my talk page

With regards to your comments on my talk page, I will continue to leave the 'Blairpedia' image off my talk page but on my Wikipedia-En User Talk Page, I would recommend for you not to remove them primarily because I have had permission from User:Deskana who is an administrator, bureaucrat and a checkuser on the English Wikipedia. Thank you very much.

-- 08:05, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Just making sure. Diego Grez return fire 16:40, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

## Review this redirect

Hello there, Diego Grez. Please review my redirect H1N1 Strikes Again in the Philippines!. Thanks. Cheers, MC10 (TCL) 16:48, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Done :) Diego Grez return fire 16:51, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. MC10 (TCL) 17:32, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

## Second earthquake in eleven days hits New Britain, Papua New Guinea

This shouldn't have been published with only one source. --Pi zero (talk) 19:12, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

A new source was supposed to be added later by the author, but that never happened. Diego Grez return fire 15:48, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

## Diego Grez Bot on ro.wp

Diego Grez Bot now has bot flag on ro.wp for double redirect fixing and interwiki management.Andrei Stroe (talk) 09:20, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Diego Grez return fire 15:49, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

## {{delete}} on fr.wiktionary

Hello!

on fr.wiktionary, the template {{delete}} seems to redirect to {{supprimer}}. When using that template, you should add an entry to Pages proposées à la suppression (pages to be discussed for deletion), wich is then discussed,. The vote takes about one week. Is it really what you want?

Responded on fr. Wiktionary Diego Grez return fire 23:09, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

## Star Wars

Wow......2 days is ultra-stale?! Gee whiz! Buddpaul (talk)

The fact is... that I published it. Now go away ;) Diego Grez return fire 22:12, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

## Re:Welcome

Thanks for the welcome, though I probably won't be too active here. It feels strange being a "new user" all over again. --Patar knight (talk) 01:23, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

## Diego Grez Bot on it.wikinews

Hi Diego. Your bot has been flagged on it.wikinews. --Darth Kule - Comlink 14:09, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

## Study suggests 'sleeping sickness' parasite mutated to evade immune system defences

I just rescued this one from Articles weirdly flagged, by doing this. --Pi zero (talk) 06:48, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks :) Diego Grez return fire 17:15, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

## Request

Hi, of course I can. I'm starting right now :) Seksen iki yüz kırk beş (talk) 09:08, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks :) Diego Grez return fire 17:14, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

## usurp on strategy wiki

hello,

I am writing because you are a bureaucrat at the strategy wiki. I am the owner of the SUL-Account User:L and there is a user of that name in the strategy wiki. can you rename that account? --L (talk) 19:33, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Looking... Diego Grez return fire 21:09, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Done The old account L was renamed to L (usurped). You are free to create an account with that name now there. --Diego Grez return fire 21:11, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
thank you. --L (talk) 08:24, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

## Study suggests 'sleeping sickness' parasite mutated to evade immune system defences

It looks to me as if this story only has one source. --Pi zero (talk) 00:24, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

## sorry

For giving you so many edit conflicts and versions to review :P sonia 01:37, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

No worries. Many thanks for your improvings to the article :) Diego Grez return fire 01:39, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

## La Cruz Hill

See Talk:People from Pichilemu, Chile leave La Cruz Hill#Request. --Pi zero (talk) 13:58, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

## How on earth?

? Perhaps clicking edit this section? Diego Grez return fire 03:00, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Ah, try clicking one of the sections (Wikinews:Water cooler/proposals by example) and edit them. Only the main water cooler page is protected. Diego Grez return fire 03:11, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

## Infobox

Oh, nah, I was just messin' around with the infobox template to see what could be done with it. Regards, WackyWacetalk 19:26, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

I tried, but I couldn't think of anything better. :P Had a couple of concepts that were more abstract, but the original seemed best. If you like, I'd be happy to append "concept by Diego Grez" to the description. Cheers. sonia 23:39, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

## File:Americo en vivo 2.jpg

Do you have a link to the original blog entry where this image is drawn from? - 19:23, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

No, I don't have it. It's not my fault that it was deleted as copyvio as commons. It's the same picture it was before. Image credit (Wenoby) should also be removed from the Colegio Preciosa Sangre article. --Diego Grez return fire 20:48, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
The problem is there is no file named Americ en vivo 2.jpg in the Commons deletion logs. Without the file name there it's difficult to know if the blog image was news coverage-derived or not. - 21:01, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps because the file was named Americo en vivo 2.JPG and not Americo en vivo 2.jpg ;) --Diego Grez return fire 21:08, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Yes, that would be it, and shows the image was originally from Portavoz.cl I'm not certain if this site qualifies as a news site; it appears to primarily focus on regional stories and articles. - 03:27, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
• It's a celebrity "news" site, so it's not a real news agency, imo. —Mikemoral♪♫ 05:12, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

## RfP

Can you please fix things such that subbed RfPs don't vanish? I put one in last night, it is not in place and being discussed.

Yes, I'm still editing from my phone. Your well-intentioned changes take no account of limited browsers.

Once you've fixed that issue, give me a shout - preferably by getting invited into #wikinewsie. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:02, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

I've been meaning to revamp our RfP page so that RfPs get added there instead of in subpages, as there seemed to be a consensus for that. I figured I'd model it on the Wikibooks RfD page. I almost got to it yesterday... --Pi zero (talk) 11:07, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
The RfP has been moved to the main RfP page. I'll see if I can address the general change to the main RfP page today (if my WN time isn't fully occupied with putting out other fires, that is). --Pi zero (talk) 12:09, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
Um. I'm sorry it didn't work well with your phone, Brian. Yes, the RfP page should be made more easy-to-use, and I agree with Pi Zero that they should be moved to subpages just after the discussions are done. --Diego Grez return fire 14:52, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

## Retired nw

• So finally I have decided to leave this project. By the way, why you retired from EN Wikipedia? hope you will be back there some time near. As for ITN nomination of Bicentennial of Chile, please do not mind, it was not my personal opinion to oppose. I would definately support it but there is really no international responce to this event. --Saki (talk) 19:37, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
• No, I did not retire from Wikipedia because of that. I don't like the way they treat articles about minor, but still notable organizations that are not so centralized on United States. --Diego Grez return fire 19:39, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
So does it means you'll not watch my edits on EN Wikipedia anymore? Just kidding! :D --Saki (talk) 19:50, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
I am not watching your edits on Wikipedia, and I never did. I had HJ Mitchell's talk page on my watchlist as he is (was, I'm not part of Wikipedia anymore) my mentor. --Diego Grez return fire 19:54, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

## Assume good faith

Diego, I don't care that you reverted my edits from your talk page and then later you archive it to hide from community that you're lying to me but you should Assume good intentions with other Wikinews users like me but you didn't. Bye --Saki (talk) 20:20, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

## Bicentennial articles

I've done my best with them on the main page—is there any way you'd recommend displaying them (and, when it is published, the one you've just started) on the main page? Regards, Wackywacedictaphone 18:22, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps put Category:Bicentennial of Chile as lead, and a brief description of the news. --Diego Grez return fire 18:25, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
Nice. Will do. Wackywacedictaphone 18:27, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll take a look through it. Usually the problem is that we have too few article—now all the articles on the main page have only been there for a short period of time :-) Regards, Wackywacedictaphone 18:40, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
Er, one small problem—the article isn't marked as needing review. I'm not entirely sure: can I change it or have I then invalidated any review I give it? If so, I'd be grateful if you could change it. Thanks, Wackywacedictaphone 18:45, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
Oops, lol. Marked as needing review. --Diego Grez return fire 18:59, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

## Stay off my talk page

Do not remove posts that I have requested from my talk page. How dare you. Tony1 (talk) 02:59, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Well ... it was just a mistake. Please do come back to my talk page if there's anything you'd like to collaborate on. Tony1 (talk) 17:32, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Okay. --Diego Grez return fire 17:35, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

## Bot edits

Ummm, Did you check if BRS wanted his pseudonym or real name used? I expected to see Category:Iain MacDonald (Wikinewsie) being added. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:24, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

His category is "Blood Red Sandman (Wikinewsie)", not Iain MacDonald. I can change it if he wants it that way though. --Diego Grez return fire 17:28, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Cat was auto-created during the writing contest and used my pseudonym simply because it was needed for the way that was set up. I'd be perfectly happy for you to change it - though if you do, please note that the proper capitalisation is slightly perverse - Iain Macdonald, with a lower-case d. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 19:33, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Done--Diego Grez return fire 23:28, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Thanks a lot :) Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 23:39, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
No problem :) I'm done with the category job (I also did it for myself ;-)). Any bureaucrat may freely remove the sysop flag from the bot. Thanks. --Diego Grez return fire 23:47, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

## Re:User Page

Thanks, I appreciate it. red-thunder. 00:57, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

## Don't...

.. involve yourself in the Greg L/Tony1 debacle. Remember what is important on Wikinews is content in the main namespace.

Let them reiterate, the one or two points they feel justified in pursuing me over, criticising first hitting a cornerstone project policy, and objecting to being chastised for such; that little fad will pass if their baiting is ignored. You, I assume, note that near every edit takes the section it is in over the limit at which I can respond inline. I assume this is deliberate, I have highlighted the problem repeatedly.

ShakataGaNai is, apparently, going to review what I consider their disruption and descent into adversarial Usenet-style debate. Would that there were more contributors of my own age who remember Usenet. All that is missing, so far, is invocation of Godwin's Law.

You do good content work, and help out with simpler automated tasks; don't march into a minefield of politicing. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:45, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Brian, this whole month you've made one revert and one move in the main namespace. The last time you wrote an article was June, and before that February. Perhaps you should try taking your own advice. the wub "?!" 18:11, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
• This whole past month I've had about 2 hours at a 'real PC' for non-work related use. And, yes, my last article was June; it was heavily criticised from some quarters, despite a substantial amount of OR work to produce it. Fortunately, that was later recognised with FA status. --Brian McNeil / talk 07:38, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

## Categories...

...are useful, and I'm sure you remember usually when reviewing and publishing, but you forgot this time! Regards, Bencherlite (talk) 22:20, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, I always categorize the articles I publish... but this time I just couldn't, because I was on my school. Anyway, thanks for doing that job! --Diego Grez return fire 22:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
No problem; helping out with minor things was one of the reasons I asked for the "+reviewer" flag back. Anyway (1) I'm not perfect and (2) a few people after you edited the article without noticing... Bencherlite (talk) 22:25, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

## WN:RFP

Two things for you to respond to, at WN:RFP. -- Cirt (talk) 19:08, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

## Swedish suicide article

Hi Diego. Thanks for reviewing the article. The review template is still on the page though, rather than the publish one. Was that purposeful or just an oversight? Best, Matt 208.54.5.77 (talk) 19:25, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Not sure what happened. Might have been the random error that happens sometimes. The article has been fixed. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 19:28, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
Just guessing — if Diego used HotCat on the revision that's displayed when EPR completes, that would... I think... erase the changes to the page by EPR, because HotCat would be working off the revision just before the EPR edits.
Even without that, though, EPR had failed to properly publish the article because it gets confused when one of the sources is commented out: it removed the {{review}} tag correctly, but put the {{publish}} tag inside the comment. --Pi zero (talk) 21:11, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing it DF1024. It was published with the script it seems, but it was ruined by the HotCat edit. Diego Grez return fire 22:13, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

## Congrats!

Congratulations on your successful RFP! Good luck! Tyrol5 (talk) 20:10, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Tyrol! Diego Grez return fire 20:13, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
And from me and all! You'll do well with the mop! Wackywacedictaphone 20:51, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Indeed ;-) Diego Grez return fire 21:17, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
A bit late, but congrats! Kayau (talk · contribs) 01:39, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Hah! Thanks anyway! Diego Grez return fire 01:51, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

## A thought on archiving

When archiving an article, I recommend always adding the {{Archive}} tag before you protect the article. That way, if the article was on the main page, it will be removed from the main page (by the tag) before you protect it. --Pi zero (talk) 03:02, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Ah! Didn't know that. Will take it into account next time ;-) Diego Grez return fire 03:03, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

## Thanks

I just pinged BRS on his TP to close that RFP, but you got to it first (forgot you were an admin). Tyrol5 (talk) 15:40, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Heh. I just wanted to do my first RFP closure :-P Diego Grez return fire 15:41, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

## Thanks.....

for publishing the Texas Ag Commissioner article....I appreciate the vote of confidence...those are so far and few between around here. I'll get some photos of Orr Elementary up on Commons in the next 60 days.Bddpaux (talk) 16:45, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

## Peanut gallery

Please, please try to ignore the rude comments about your writing that pop up from the feedback form. People are entitled to express their opinions, no matter how stupid they may be. I don't think random readers need to hear "I'm sure you wouldn't be capable of writing a paragraph at most" even if it is true. --InfantGorilla (talk) 08:26, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Hehe. Okay. Diego Grez return fire 16:28, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

## Voice recorder?

You should upload a voice recording of your eyewitness account of last night's aftershock. Then Turtlestack can splice it into Audio Wikinews. (I don't think anyone ever gives him audio!)

Maybe we could link it from the web article too.

--InfantGorilla (talk) 22:40, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

It's a good idea! I'll have to leave in some minutes to do my homework and to do cycling a while; but I think I can do it. My pronunciation is not perfect, so excuse me if I don't get it right ;-) Diego Grez return fire 22:56, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
I think the world is used to Chilean accents this month! Everyone except those boobs on the feedback form will forgive an eyewitness
But I just realized that Turtlestack took a break, and there has been no Audio Wikinews for two months :(
Study hard!
--InfantGorilla (talk) 23:07, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

## Pseudo-bot

Oops. --Pi zero (talk) 18:18, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

## Portal interwikis

Hi, Sorry i am not an admin to correct protal namespace, we have two admin , i said to them but they didn't correct it. Mjbmr `Talk` 18:20, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately I don't speak or read a word of Tibetan, but it seems from the user's global contributions[6], and lack of blocks, that this was a good faith attempt to edit the wiki in Tibetan.

I think this might not be a 'blocking' mistake. (The photo upload was probably a PD US Dept of Defense image, but I can't translate the caption, so I support the deletion.)

--InfantGorilla (talk) 11:49, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, I'm not sure. They were doing edits that were out of the scope of English Wikinews. If they want a Wikinews in Tibetan, then ask for one, but this is not their playground. Will shorten the block to two weeks, though. Diego Grez return fire 19:17, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Sure. In hindsight I think it is best to delete and warn before blocking. --InfantGorilla (talk) 13:17, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

## 113 dead and hundreds missing in Indonesia after tsunami destroys island villages

Was this reviewed or not? You didn't sight it but the reviewed template is on the talk page. 02:35, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

It's worse than Fetchcomms describes. The article itself did not have the {{breaking review}} tag replaced by {{publish}}; so it isn't in Category:Published and does have a review tag on it, which doesn't look good on a lead article. Wackywace has sighted it, but that only put it into Articles weirdly flagged. --Pi zero (talk) 11:51, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Oops. It was something about my connection, I think. Sorry. It is correctly published, now. Diego Grez return fire 16:54, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

## Paul the 'psychic' octopus dies

EPR doesn't like you today. I sighted it. --Pi zero (talk) 22:37, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Argh! Not again that silly script. Thanks! Diego Grez return fire 22:42, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

## Ummm

The article that I recently created on Saturday, will not be updated, so delete. This is the reason why I say that you need to worry about these articles that easily goes out of date faster before the others. If this place can't have up to date news coming in how do you even expect people to review these when they are freaken 5 days old. I understand that this doesn't have a lot of reviewers, but this is pitiful. I know they can review more articles than this. I try when I can, but with real life issues, I am not able to. Also I seen that the Formula One article was published.......From now on the NASCAR articles will be the same!!!!!! Which means it should even have to be checked it it has the same type of sources and the same words. Now give me a break. This is very frustrating. Furthermore, I don't see how it is out of date, I normally create them on Tuesday, then they are normally reviewed on today. It seems like since Tempo left this is dead! 23:40, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Hey, Nascar1996. I'm not guilty nobody reviewed your article, but seriously, an article about something that happened on Sunday isn't newsworthy on Wednesday/Thursday. I am not guilty you are frustrated either, I have more important things to do than review articles, but I still try to do what I can. Your article is stale, and Tempodivalse =! Wikinews. It is constructed by all of us, and what you're doing is not worth anything. --Diego Grez return fire 23:59, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
I know it wasn't your fault, but you are the one who votes on it. Also, fine then if my stuff isn't important as some as this stupid stuff......I say you don't even care...but I'm DONE]. 00:39, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Diego, Nascar1996 is a valued contributor. Tensions run high when an article goes stale in the queue. We all try, and we don't always succeed. Let's not take it out on each other. --Pi zero (talk) 00:35, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
I know, Pi zero. I also had some of my first articles deleted for being stale, but it didn't let me down. I have nothing against you, Nascar, but the article is almost four days old, and is not as newsworthy as it was on Sunday. It's not funny you're retiring, either. --Diego Grez return fire 01:40, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
• Harping on about Tempodivalse is most unproductive. First, writing up coverage of a sporting event two days after it took place is already bordering on stale. The Russian guy who does F1 coverage kicks out his articles a few hours after the race ends; and it is not "parochial". Formula One has a wide, international audience - in stark contrast to the US-centric nature of Nascar. We have all lost articles on staleness grounds; the best way to avoid such is to submit outstanding copy. Anything looking in need of a couple hours copyediting before an actual review is always given lower priority. If you wish to berate people for not reviewing your work, start a little closer to home - i.e. Amerikans who should know the sport. --Brian McNeil / talk 07:53, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
• Whatever is what I have to say. I created the article two hours after the race. Also you don't know if their not world-wide is true or not; you don't live everywhere. NASCAR is a popular sport world-wide. Not as much as F1, but NASCAR (wait a minute, its not Nascar?) does have a big population of fans. Half of this news is not for a crowd as big as NASCAR anyway! And if you didn't notice, the NASCAR article is the most popular article for about two hours, then stays in the first ten for about two days. This is the reason I'm leaving, everyone says what I'm doing is not important. I'm going to stay at Wikipedia where my work is appreciated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 19:16, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
• One more comment: This is not only about the article. 19:21, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
• I understand your frustration Nascar but, seriously, crying out loud because for once your article is going to be deleted is not helping. My Pichilemu articles are something that "nobody cares about", because Wikinews is not as popular as Wikipedia, and its audience is mostly US-based, but I don't feel frustraded about it, by contrast, I feel happy I'm helping in some way to this project, and informing people from far places about my hometown. This may be similar to what it is NASCAR for you; I didn't know about that sport until you started creating articles here. I learned something new ;-) Diego Grez return fire 21:15, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
• Thanks for not deleting the article, but I'm still going to take a break from this wiki. I may or may not return because it is getting really complicated to fully write the article about the race, and the news article. I guess this is good bye until possibly February 2011, but I may create one more article here. It would be who wins the championship, which if it is Jimmie Johnson it has a historical importance from being the first driver to ever win five consecutive championships. I'll activily be looking at my talk page and see how this is going. If it improves, I may come back earlier. Thanks for your lessons :), and happy editing. 02:19, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

## Diego Grez Bot@fa.wikinews

Hello! Your bot has been flagged on fa.wikinews. Best regardsSahim (talk) 19:20, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

## Ultra stale? :-)

Granted, it's stale, but not that stale. The most recent source is three days old, and the event happened less than a week ago. (The author dated it to the event rather than to the composition of the article.) --Pi zero (talk) 19:48, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Ah... --Diego Grez return fire 20:36, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
• Dated to sources is irrelevant on Wikinews. As I'm fond of saying, "Facts don't cease to be facts, but news ceases to be news."
That being said, I'm not at all opposed to scientific, or more technically complex pieces being given extra leeway. However, such should be an allowance to seek quotes or further insights, from primary sources. Ditto for obits. Many mainstream publications will post a brief death announcement, then a far more reflective piece once associates and archives have been consulted. It pains me that output "quantity" is low; my gut feeling is that the best counter to this is quality. But, perhaps this is a subject for wider discussion on the WC. --Brian McNeil / talk%
Indeed. Starting from UK court jails man for trolling online tribute pages, which was on Monday, of all the articles published recently I have written three and published seven, making only two articles I haven't been involved with. Over this week's working days I have felt at times like I'm running this site and a few folk help me - which isn't a fair reflection (every article takes at least two) but doesn't feel far off. Once again, getting folk to review is the main problem. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 21:36, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
• Due to such low activity levels, I've braved use of a mobile phone for copyedit and review work. I have to thank BRS for doing more than just cursory checks where I've been forced into heavy-handed rewrites. I would refer all contributors who may peruse this discussion to the heavily edited Orwell quote I added to the style guide. Neither wonder our local university expects freshers to spend two years learning to write. Even Prof. Jones of Herriot Watt dispaired of postgrads with no ability to present a cogent argument in their final thesis papers. [Sorry Diego, the vitriol is not directed at you - you do better than many 'supposed' native speakers - if you've the grades, you'd have no problem studying at a "quality" UK institution]. Incidentally, I spent yesterday afternoon in Edinburgh's Central Library; when I expressed delight at an old-fashioned card index system, I think I could've had the female librarian for dinner; dewey-decimal seems like a certain secret handshake to these guardians of knowledge, or the fact that you know of such a system is some sort of aphrodisiac. :D --Brian McNeil / talk 22:16, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

## Turkey lifts ban on YouTube‎

Actually, this article wasn't due to be archived until tomorrow (when it would have been the only one archived; there won't be any to archive now for over 46 hours). Only articles published on the 31st were due for archiving tonight. Which means nothing was due to be archived tonight, because there were no articles published on the 31st. That's happened several times lately; there weren't any on the 5th, either, and almost weren't any on the 6th.

I always keep track of what to archive using the list at WN:ARCHIVE#To archive.

(Reminder, in these grim times: add the archive tag first — and a further wrinkle I learned the hard way: make sure it's really off the main page before protecting it. A null edit to the main page may be required to make this happen. And even worse than that, before even starting the archiving process, check that the article isn't one of the 5 leads; I actually had to change one of the leads before archiving an article a few nights ago.) --Pi zero (talk) 01:51, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Oops!. Sorry about that. Will take this into account. Thanks Pi zero. Diego Grez return fire 01:56, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

## North Korean military leader Jo Myong Rok dies at age 82

Hello, may I ask (if you know) why this didn't appear in the latest new column on the main page? I published it, but it would change the template, so I changed it manually. 16:44, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to but in, but I took a look and the gadget also failed to sight the publication. I've done that and (hopefuly) it will work now. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 16:47, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
Okay, it added it to the talk page, but it didn't create the comments page or change the article itself. 16:48, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
Fixed: it is now fixed. 16:54, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
I'm sorry I couldn't help. I'm having connection issues. Diego Grez return fire 18:04, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

## An Urgent Request

Hi Diego, My name is Kelly and I am asking for your help to translate some messages into Spanish for this year's WMF fundraiser. As you may already know this year's fundraiser is intended to be a collaborative effort and we have been asking for community participation. The fundraiser starts in just a few days and we need help proofreading the Spanish Jimmy letter. Therefore, I am asking for your help :) On Translation you will find links to the Jimmy Appeal, FAQ, Core Messages, and Benefactors. These are the priorities that we need translated as soon as possible. Please feel free to contact me with any questions. Thanks, in advance, for your collaboration.Klyman (talk) 19:45, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Okay, will take a look. Diego Grez return fire 19:48, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

## Article quote

Where is the quote "defend the coast to avoid polluting the water and not end up with the surfing competitions"? I don't see anything like that in the articles. Gopher65talk 02:35, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

See El Cachapoal's article: "La campaña que se llevó a cabo, era defender la costa para no contaminar sus aguas y terminar con las competencias de Surf." Diego Grez return fire 02:37, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
Ah ok. I was looking for a quote. Remember that it's normally not a good idea for us to quote a rival news agency directly like that. We can use quotes that they recorded other people as saying, but we shouldn't take their words and make them our own, quote or not. I'll rephrase the sentence slightly to fix it. Almost done with the article:). Gopher65talk 02:47, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
You know, I really don't understand what the last part of that line is trying to say. Are they implying that they want to end surfing competitions, or to stop surfing competitions from being ended by water pollution? Gopher65talk 02:52, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
I just removed the bit about surfing for now, since I couldn't make sense of it. Also, I left a question on the talk page for you about the capitalization of of Wastewater Treatment Plant. Gopher65talk 03:59, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
I have seen the name being capitalized in the official Essbio website, but anyway, it's not so important I think. --Diego Grez (alternate account) alt. talk 00:03, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

## Multiwiki Userpages

Hey, Diego. Can you temporarily stop adding your userpage to hundreds of wikis at once so that me and User:CommonsDelinker don't have to keep chasing after the image you uploaded and remove every single instance of it that you put up? Thanks, :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 04:52, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

No. It's not my fault that that bot works like crap. Diego Grez return fire 16:08, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
No, I'm talking about you, not the bot. Do you want to have every single userpage that you put up deleted or something? :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 15:40, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Go ahead and request the speedy deletion of my userpages in all those small wikis if you want... Diego Grez return fire 15:56, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
FYI: [7] Jafeluv (talk) 11:51, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

## User:TeleComNasSprVen

Whilst this user is clearly still getting used to Wikinews, they are - unlike other users we have seen - trying hard to get their head round the place. In this case, when it became apparent they weren't getting it, they had the common sense and decency to seek an explanation. They weren't trolling by any means. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 19:07, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I am not so sure if it has been the first time they have done this. (will try to find some diffs) And when they were told it wasn't right, they come now, like three months after, and do it again. I believe the block was perfectly okay, and in my opinion they are trolling. Just my opinion, it's not like it matters much to you... Diego Grez return fire 19:13, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
I tend to agree with BRS about this user. Not all useful Wikinewsies got that way rapidly; some of us acclimate to the project more slowly. (I was here for about a year before I became a reviewer.) This is probably a good occasion to apply "Don't bite the newcomers." --Pi zero (talk) 22:59, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

## Pitsilemu

What use/function does Pitsilemu serve in #wikinews? — μ 21:05, December 7 2010 (UTC)

It was originally used to do whois, generate links from [[wiki format]] and some other things. You can see all of its functions using @all. Anyway, does it matter much to you? Diego Grez return fire 22:24, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
```<MC8>       heh
<Pitsilemu> lol
```
QED. — μ 22:28, December 7 2010 (UTC)
Isn't it just easy to /ignore it? Eh? Diego Grez return fire 14:18, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

## Deletion of Soccer-holic's userpage

This was an out-of-order deletion. The circumstances under which such would be appropriate are:

4. cross-wiki stalking

Testing is most definitely not grounds to delete the page.

Don't do it again Diego! --Brian McNeil / talk 19:49, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

## Question

Hello, do you believe that I am trusted by other users? I am considering adminship. Do you think I am ready? Would you consider it? IF not, what do I need to do improve? Thanks in advance for your responces. 18:46, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

You have certainly improved lots since you arrived here! I'd say yes. Diego Grez return fire 19:22, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Yes, as in nominate for adminship or yes I'm trusted? 19:39, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Em, both. Diego Grez return fire 19:49, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Again thanks for your opinions. I rather not nominate myself, but I may wait for a week or two. 19:51, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

## Una cosa de wikinoticias

Por favor, completa el porqué es un reportaje original de Dos mil personas forman mensaje en playa de Pichilemu. Si no nos indicas, el artículo será borrado. Saludos --Superzerocool (talk) 15:47, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Comenté en la página de discusión del artículo. Gracias por la notificación. Diego Grez return fire 20:20, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
Gracias Superzerocool (talk) 21:22, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

## Running bot !!

Hi Diego, i have a question about running bot, please help me, check my two latest edit and check this, how i can run my bot that way B-R-S wants?, you know i use standard framework and any edit's depends on it i didn't anything wrong, please answer me, if i can't run my bot again without blocking please always run your bot on fawikinews , regards. Mjbmr Talk 07:46, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Your bot added a wrong interwiki to that article. That happens when you run it in -auto mode, you can either try not using that feature, or fixing the interwikis on the Italian article (which would be the right decision). Hope that helps. Diego Grez return fire 17:20, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
when i don't use -auto option it will stop running for confirm changes, is it right? Mjbmr Talk 17:26, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Yes, you will have to confirm the changes in the case that there is a conflicting interwiki, or you can either fix directly the article. Diego Grez return fire 17:45, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
All right, thank you Mjbmr Talk 17:54, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

I couldn't find the source (or twitter source) for this line: "It was reported at 19:25 local time (22:25 UTC) that electricity has been restored almost completely in the Tirúa area.". Could you please post the link to that source on the article's talk page? Gopher65talk 23:58, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

I used this tweet for that line. The tweet was made at 19:25, so I reworded what the tweet actually said, and tadá :P Diego Grez return fire 00:07, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Ok. Good enough. Gopher65talk 00:11, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

## Reviewer status (BarkingFish)

Diego. Please read up on the water cooler (Policy) section as to why I had reviewer removed. I resigned it due to a serious error which I made, and I have not done enough of what was asked of me to earn the position back. Please remove the status again, and do not put it back without checking with Pi Zero or Brian McNeil. Thanks. BarkingFish (talk) 12:59, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

## File:Special.png

I believe that was local uploaded because it was a common vandalism target. It was also protected too. Do you mind if i undelete. Bawolff 22:12, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

No I don't Excuse me :( *disappears* Diego Grez return fire 22:48, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

## Fifteen flu sufferers die in Wales in one week

Hi! Just about the article:"Fifteen flu sufferers die in Wales in one week".

More precisely about the line: "With twelve reported admissions, Aneurin Bevan Local Health Board had the highest amount of essential care patients in Wales."

Could you insert the word "critical" instead of "essential"?

"Essential care" has no meaning!

Thanks a lot in advance!82.49.28.194 (talk) 22:58, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

## Notice of Request for deadminship

You are hereby duly informed of the request for desysop filed against you by Microchip08. Your input is requested, and, indeed advised. For what it's worth, good luck. — μ 21:58, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

## Bot

Hey Diego,
Apparently your bot would be able to populate my (hidden category) - http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Category:Yurtletturtle_%28Wikinewsie%29. I would be greatly appreciative if it could. Thanks, ~YTT T | C 22:35, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Done Although I did it manually, as I currently have no access to my computer, nor to the Toolserver (the server where my bot runs). Diego Grez return fire 23:27, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for that. :) ~YTT T | C 23:34, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

## Second "Account Creation Survey"

Hi Diego, would you be willing to translate the second Account Creation Survey into Spanish? You can find all the details on the outreach wiki. All the best --Frank Schulenburg (talk) 20:49, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, sure. Diego Grez return fire 21:31, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! --Frank Schulenburg (talk) 21:59, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

## People camping in La Cruz Hill

Hi Diego, I nominated your photo for Wikinews Press Photo. Thx Przykuta (talk) 12:15, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

## Revert

Please see Wikinews:ARCHIVE#Post-archival edits. It's not even archived yet, but either way, spelling fixes are allowed. "Internet" is correct, "internet" is not. Please undo your revert. Thanks, 17:15, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

• Grumble, grumble. Fetchcomms, please explain the issue to the original author. (I, too, would have been astounded if Egypt could close down The Internet. But, "internet traffic" and "internet access" are correctly capitalised.) --Brian McNeil / talk 18:51, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
• Really? The AP Stylebook and a few other sources (NYT, APA, etc.) seem to prefer "Internet" in all usages. w:Internet capitalization conventions says a little about it; personally, I don't think "internet access" is correct when it's referring to the Internet as opposed to a generic internetwork. I don't really care, though, lest this turn into the second capitalization debate I've had today. 05:20, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

## Investigation launched after two military aircraft nearly collide with passenger airliner

Six minutes flat to review and publish an article? I mean, okay, I tend to be a slow, plodding, methodical worker, so it's not reasonable to expect anyone to take as long as I do at these things, but, well, ... how? --Pi zero (talk) 20:01, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Opened the sources in tabs, checked the content in about two minutes and published it. Diego Grez return fire 20:57, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
And your brain didn't blow a fuse doing that? Cool. :-)  --Pi zero (talk) 21:56, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

## Am I a problem?

You seem to be a very good person to ask this. I have an odd feeling that the problem is me. Several users have left during my time at Wikinews, and I haven't noticed anything else. Please be trueful, am I the problem? I'm wondering, because I have been in arguements (well you know that). 02:40, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

• I don't know why do you think that. Every user has the right to leave the project whenever they wish, after all we all are volunteers. You are not the problem. Diego Grez return fire 02:45, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
• I'm wonderng because of the reasons some have left, such as the project has a bad environment. It seemed to all begin when I came to the project. Thanks for your answer though. -- 02:48, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
• Seems to me like a mere coincidence. I would say the same though :) Anyways... Wikinews has had that bad environment for long. Diego Grez return fire 02:51, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
• Such as what exactly happens? 03:01, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
• Well... there's always disputes about anything (that's pretty normal here and anywhere), but I'd think that the long wait times for reviews are the most outstanding problem, and the one which causes editors to leave the project. Diego Grez return fire 03:15, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
• True, well only a week before I will start creating new articles, and reviewing. I'm taking me a break in a way. 03:23, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
• As an aside (to but into a the private conversation), the mere fact that you can honestly ask that question of yourself, is probably a good indication that you are not the problem. Wikinews has its ups and downs in terms of people coming and going, and always has. I wouldn't be too worried. Bawolff 03:26, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

## Wikinewsie

Hi there,

Sorry if this is a pain but you have helped me out before and am wondering if you could do the same again :D, I have jsut recently noticed the Wikinewsie category's with the created articles in them and am wondering how I would go around getting one for myself? If you could help I would really appreciate it.

Many Thanks,

Chandlerjoeyross (talk) 21:45, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Create Category:Chandlerjoeyross (Wikinewsie), or [[:Category: <your real name> (Wikinewsie)]], stick it into Category:Wikinewsies. Add your articles to it, and you're done. If you want to track your edits with everyone else, add yourself to User:Microchip08/thermometer with an offset of 0. — μ 21:54, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Great, thanks.. One last question and this will proberly sound stupid but.... how do I add my articles to the list? Chandlerjoeyross (talk) 22:03, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
As with normal categories: type [[Category:Chandlerjoeyross (Wikinewsie)]]. — μ 22:13, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
• Thank You sooooooo much... You are a ledgend. The only thing is that Slovenian cyclist Jure Robič dies in traffic accident aged 45 has not shown up on it. I know it's kinda sad I notice which articles are not in but hey. You dont have to bother adding it if you dont want to. You have done more than enough but I would appreciate it.

Thank You again.. Could not of done it without you :D

Chandlerjoeyross (talk) 00:52, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Doneμ 01:11, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
*wonders why Wikimedia is not sending me e-mails* Seems like the Toolserver is failing me, that article didn't show up in the list. Diego Grez return fire 03:49, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

## Account Creation Improvement Project

Hello,

You signed up on the Account Creation Improvment Project on the Outreach wiki. Thanks.

Now, we are looking for help. We are going to test the pages that are in the account creation process right now, against any pages that you create. More information.

Best wishes, Hannibal (talk) 16:27, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

## No worries!

The general rule about user page space is: if it is not harmful to the project or other users, and is not clearly using WMF as a webhost, leave it alone.

I can't *tell* you how many times I was tempted to just delete user's pages... <sigh> - 16:50, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

## Wikinews Press Photo 2011

Hi. Second edition Wikinews Press Photo in plWikinews ended. Yours picture People camping in La Cruz Hill.jpg won in category global Wikinews. Congratulations!:) Omega933 (talk) 15:14, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

:O! Awesome :P --Diego Grez return fire 16:09, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

## Request to review

Could you please review my article, entitled US singer Britney Spears accused of plagiarism? Thanks --Rayboy8 (my talk) (my contributions) 22:48, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Okay, will do, as soon as I'm done writing my "Pichileminian Week" article. Diego Grez return fire 22:57, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
Done Diego Grez return fire 23:25, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the pass review Diego Grez. I appreciate it. :) --Rayboy8 (my talk) (my contributions) 00:20, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

## Podrías decirme la diferencia entre...

¿Formalidad y jerga? Saloca (talk) 17:21, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Con gusto: Wikinews:SG#Headlines - Use present tense. E Internet es un nombre propio en este caso, debe ir en mayúsculas. Diego Grez return fire 17:31, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

I can't self-sight most of the work I've done on it. (I imagine you've turned in by now; I should have left a note here sooner.)

Honestly (I really *hate* criticizing people; it's hard to believe I've stuck with Wikinews so long), you shouldn't have published this one in the form it was in; it wasn't nearly ready. (I'd keep looking for more to do on it, but I've run my limit for tonight.) --Pi zero (talk) 05:00, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

I thought it was okay, maybe I rushed a bit while publishing it. I just sighted the edits you've done to the article, btw. Diego Grez return fire 05:02, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Sigh. Well, you need to slow down some. There were trouble signs on this article, visible with some time to study it. Two main authors, neither one of whom has ever written a Wikinews article before, and one of whom (the one whose material was at the front) had apparently no experience at all of Wikinews. Statements in the text that are highly suspect before one even tries to check them in the sources — I never have attempted to do a thorough fact-check, just chosen specific suspicious passages and tried to check them (and every one of those suspicious passages I ended up removing or greatly modifying). I suppose I should have speedily failed the article last night when I first sensed there was a problem... which doesn't actually mitigate your part in this, that is, doesn't share the blame, but does expand it to include me. --Pi zero (talk) 13:14, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

## re:Translation for Pichilemu earthquake to ang

Will do. But tomorrow. I have to get off right now. It's getting late. Gott wisst (talk) 08:16, 23 February 2011 (UTC) (Gottistugt)

okie Diego Grez return fire 15:16, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

## Revert

Please see Wikinews:ARCHIVE#Post-archival edits. It's not even archived yet, but either way, spelling fixes are allowed. "Internet" is correct, "internet" is not. Please undo your revert. Thanks, 17:15, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

• Grumble, grumble. Fetchcomms, please explain the issue to the original author. (I, too, would have been astounded if Egypt could close down The Internet. But, "internet traffic" and "internet access" are correctly capitalised.) --Brian McNeil / talk 18:51, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
• Really? The AP Stylebook and a few other sources (NYT, APA, etc.) seem to prefer "Internet" in all usages. w:Internet capitalization conventions says a little about it; personally, I don't think "internet access" is correct when it's referring to the Internet as opposed to a generic internetwork. I don't really care, though, lest this turn into the second capitalization debate I've had today. 05:20, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

## Investigation launched after two military aircraft nearly collide with passenger airliner

Six minutes flat to review and publish an article? I mean, okay, I tend to be a slow, plodding, methodical worker, so it's not reasonable to expect anyone to take as long as I do at these things, but, well, ... how? --Pi zero (talk) 20:01, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Opened the sources in tabs, checked the content in about two minutes and published it. Diego Grez return fire 20:57, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
And your brain didn't blow a fuse doing that? Cool. :-)  --Pi zero (talk) 21:56, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

## Am I a problem?

You seem to be a very good person to ask this. I have an odd feeling that the problem is me. Several users have left during my time at Wikinews, and I haven't noticed anything else. Please be trueful, am I the problem? I'm wondering, because I have been in arguements (well you know that). 02:40, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

• I don't know why do you think that. Every user has the right to leave the project whenever they wish, after all we all are volunteers. You are not the problem. Diego Grez return fire 02:45, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
• I'm wonderng because of the reasons some have left, such as the project has a bad environment. It seemed to all begin when I came to the project. Thanks for your answer though. -- 02:48, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
• Seems to me like a mere coincidence. I would say the same though :) Anyways... Wikinews has had that bad environment for long. Diego Grez return fire 02:51, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
• Such as what exactly happens? 03:01, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
• Well... there's always disputes about anything (that's pretty normal here and anywhere), but I'd think that the long wait times for reviews are the most outstanding problem, and the one which causes editors to leave the project. Diego Grez return fire 03:15, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
• True, well only a week before I will start creating new articles, and reviewing. I'm taking me a break in a way. 03:23, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
• As an aside (to but into a the private conversation), the mere fact that you can honestly ask that question of yourself, is probably a good indication that you are not the problem. Wikinews has its ups and downs in terms of people coming and going, and always has. I wouldn't be too worried. Bawolff 03:26, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

## Wikinewsie

Hi there,

Sorry if this is a pain but you have helped me out before and am wondering if you could do the same again :D, I have jsut recently noticed the Wikinewsie category's with the created articles in them and am wondering how I would go around getting one for myself? If you could help I would really appreciate it.

Many Thanks,

Chandlerjoeyross (talk) 21:45, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Create Category:Chandlerjoeyross (Wikinewsie), or [[:Category: <your real name> (Wikinewsie)]], stick it into Category:Wikinewsies. Add your articles to it, and you're done. If you want to track your edits with everyone else, add yourself to User:Microchip08/thermometer with an offset of 0. — μ 21:54, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Great, thanks.. One last question and this will proberly sound stupid but.... how do I add my articles to the list? Chandlerjoeyross (talk) 22:03, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
As with normal categories: type [[Category:Chandlerjoeyross (Wikinewsie)]]. — μ 22:13, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
• Thank You sooooooo much... You are a ledgend. The only thing is that Slovenian cyclist Jure Robič dies in traffic accident aged 45 has not shown up on it. I know it's kinda sad I notice which articles are not in but hey. You dont have to bother adding it if you dont want to. You have done more than enough but I would appreciate it.

Thank You again.. Could not of done it without you :D

Chandlerjoeyross (talk) 00:52, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Doneμ 01:11, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
*wonders why Wikimedia is not sending me e-mails* Seems like the Toolserver is failing me, that article didn't show up in the list. Diego Grez return fire 03:49, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

## Account Creation Improvement Project

Hello,

You signed up on the Account Creation Improvment Project on the Outreach wiki. Thanks.

Now, we are looking for help. We are going to test the pages that are in the account creation process right now, against any pages that you create. More information.

Best wishes, Hannibal (talk) 16:27, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

## No worries!

The general rule about user page space is: if it is not harmful to the project or other users, and is not clearly using WMF as a webhost, leave it alone.

I can't *tell* you how many times I was tempted to just delete user's pages... <sigh> - 16:50, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

## Wikinews Press Photo 2011

Hi. Second edition Wikinews Press Photo in plWikinews ended. Yours picture People camping in La Cruz Hill.jpg won in category global Wikinews. Congratulations!:) Omega933 (talk) 15:14, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

:O! Awesome :P --Diego Grez return fire 16:09, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

## Request to review

Could you please review my article, entitled US singer Britney Spears accused of plagiarism? Thanks --Rayboy8 (my talk) (my contributions) 22:48, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Okay, will do, as soon as I'm done writing my "Pichileminian Week" article. Diego Grez return fire 22:57, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
Done Diego Grez return fire 23:25, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the pass review Diego Grez. I appreciate it. :) --Rayboy8 (my talk) (my contributions) 00:20, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

## Podrías decirme la diferencia entre...

¿Formalidad y jerga? Saloca (talk) 17:21, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Con gusto: Wikinews:SG#Headlines - Use present tense. E Internet es un nombre propio en este caso, debe ir en mayúsculas. Diego Grez return fire 17:31, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

I can't self-sight most of the work I've done on it. (I imagine you've turned in by now; I should have left a note here sooner.)

Honestly (I really *hate* criticizing people; it's hard to believe I've stuck with Wikinews so long), you shouldn't have published this one in the form it was in; it wasn't nearly ready. (I'd keep looking for more to do on it, but I've run my limit for tonight.) --Pi zero (talk) 05:00, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

I thought it was okay, maybe I rushed a bit while publishing it. I just sighted the edits you've done to the article, btw. Diego Grez return fire 05:02, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Sigh. Well, you need to slow down some. There were trouble signs on this article, visible with some time to study it. Two main authors, neither one of whom has ever written a Wikinews article before, and one of whom (the one whose material was at the front) had apparently no experience at all of Wikinews. Statements in the text that are highly suspect before one even tries to check them in the sources — I never have attempted to do a thorough fact-check, just chosen specific suspicious passages and tried to check them (and every one of those suspicious passages I ended up removing or greatly modifying). I suppose I should have speedily failed the article last night when I first sensed there was a problem... which doesn't actually mitigate your part in this, that is, doesn't share the blame, but does expand it to include me. --Pi zero (talk) 13:14, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

## re:Translation for Pichilemu earthquake to ang

Will do. But tomorrow. I have to get off right now. It's getting late. Gott wisst (talk) 08:16, 23 February 2011 (UTC) (Gottistugt)

okie Diego Grez return fire 15:16, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

## Category:Somerset

Wikinews:Fair use explicitly says "The use of non-free images outside of the main article namespace does not constitute fair use, and is not permitted.". I have asked for help here. DrKiernan (talk) 19:40, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

## Policy violation: No Personal Attacks

Your recent post at WN:FR/RFP is a serious breach of the rules relating to personal attacks at this project. Since you are an administrator, you should know that your actions can influence others in a negative fashion, as well as a positive one. Because of this breach, I am issuing you with a formal warning for violating our personal attack policy, and any future breaches of this will result in your being blocked or banned from the project without further warning. BarkingFish (talk) 00:16, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

• Okay. I know, I'm aware of what I did, I just don't think it is that important, but well, is what I feel. Regards, Diego Grez return fire 00:25, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

## Apology accepted

I think it has been unfortunate for too long that there has been hostility from Wikinews towards Wikipedia and towards me in particular. I can report that many people have simply stayed away because of it - "why bother dealing with such attitudes?" is a natural response from many people.

I have given similar advice to many projects: removing rights of any kind from people we know full well are trustworthy on such slim grounds as "good security" (in this case, for example, security against what exactly?) or "they haven't made any edits here in a long time" is a bad idea. A better idea is to find people who have rights, for whatever reason, and reach out to them with an attitude of trust and kindness: "Hey, Jimbo, I noticed you have reviewer rights on Wikinews and haven't used them. I wonder if you'd like to come on IRC sometime and get a tutorial and see what we're doing with it - I think you'll find it fun and interesting, and we'd love your support."

Instead I got this frankly bizarre and combative discussion. To the extent that people are treated in this way generally, Wikinews will continue to be less successful than it deserves.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 13:43, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

## Articles

You say, copyedits are great, but I want to see more... something I cannot remember right now... how was it called... oh, got it! Articles. ;) Otherwise you should be fine.

May I ask if you are being sarcastic? I have written 10 published articles in the last few weeks, and done very little copy editing. So, I don't quite understand your comment. Could you explain? Best wishes, Mattisse (talk) 01:39, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

## Miyagi

Sendai is a city, Miyagi is a prefecture (a province or a state equivalent for Japan). Sendai is in Miyagi. The quake was off Miyagi. The tsunami damage is greatest in the Tohoku region (a region is a group of prefectures). So, the Japanese Meteorological Agency (responsible for tsunami forecasts) refers to it as Tohoku. Wikipedia refers to it as Sendai. I split the difference, and used Miyagi. 184.144.160.156 (talk) 04:40, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

I ended up confused :) Diego Grez return fire 04:48, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
<grin> In the USA we have a similar setup. A city (lets use Red Wing, Minnesota, USA) is located in a local administrative region (generally a county or parish, depending on the state), which is inside a state. Red Wing is in Goodhue County in the state of Minnesota, one of the United States. Sendai is in the Miyagi prefecture, which is in the Tohoku region of Japan. - 05:23, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

## Category

How do I create Category:ICAAN? I read the directions in Help but I don't understand how to do it. Thanks! Mattisse (talk) 16:22, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

It's not hard. :) There was (kinda) consensus to use {{topic cat}} as our categories' design, go to the template's page and follow the instructions. You should later edit the category just like any other wiki-page. --Diego Grez return fire 16:25, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Gave instructions at my talk page. Also its supposed to be ICANN, not ICAAN. --[[::User:Nascar1996|Nascar1996]] ([[::User talk:Nascar1996|talk]] • [[::Special:Contributions/Nascar1996|contribs]]) 16:23, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

## Request to review

Can you please review 'Worst song of all time' becomes YouTube sensation for me? Please do this as quickly as you possibly can as the article is about to go stale. Thanks --Rayboy8 (my talk) (my contributions) 20:25, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

• Um, I will possibly do it, although I am a bit busy, so I simply attempted to defocus myself from the huge mathematics homework I have by copyediting that article, I haven't looked the sources. Diego Grez return fire 20:37, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

## Elizabeth Taylor dies at the age of 79

Hola Diego, podrás ayudarme con esta nota, es la primera vez que traduzco al inglés y me está costando mucho. Un abrazo!!! --Ezarate (talk) 21:49, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Según la página de discusión, hubieron problemas con la traducción. No se preocupe! Haré lo que pueda para tener esa nota publicada tan pronto como sea posible. Saludos, Diego Grez return fire 21:54, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Theres one small problem with the article. --[[::User:Nascar1996|Nascar1996]] ([[::User talk:Nascar1996|talk]] • [[::Special:Contributions/Nascar1996|contribs]]) 22:51, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
I think that's sourced from the Spanish Wikinews article (posted at the talk page). It is a translation of said article, and I suppose it was fact-checked before being published there, so I'd say it is reliable. Kind of. Diego Grez return fire 23:05, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
It is, readd the review template, and I will publish it. --[[::User:Nascar1996|Nascar1996]] ([[::User talk:Nascar1996|talk]] • [[::Special:Contributions/Nascar1996|contribs]]) 23:08, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

## DFT

Don't Feed the "Trolls"!

A reminder that "trolls" can actually be someone's remarks is, I think, in order Diego. Please desist; instead, I would welcome comments on the post-mortem in a sub-sub-section. That was quite tiring, and I've been up since before 0700. To counter Wikipedian 'arrogance' we should demonstrate our right-through-experience to say how Wikinews operates. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:31, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. Diego Grez return fire 21:56, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
Your re-block will not de-escalate, I have rescinded it, blocked as I believe appropriate for now. And, if xe requires reblocked, it should be per a section I intend to add to WN:AAA.
I'm sick of this drama, and it proves me 100% right in voting for Jimbo to lose editor and refusing to accept his fallacious argument regarding the priv. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:28, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, totally. Wikipedia policies shall not be taken as "work-able" here, and that's what Wikipedians don't understand. Diego Grez return fire 22:30, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

## New review request

Could you please review my latest article? It's called BBC cancel television comedy series 'My Family'. --Rayboy8 (my talk) (my contributions) 22:09, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Okay, will do. Diego Grez return fire 22:11, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for passing the review on my article, Diego Grez. --Rayboy8 (my talk) (my contributions) 22:40, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
No problem. :) (by the way, I like to be called simply Diego, but it's okay if you don't want to :)) Diego Grez return fire 22:51, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

## Recent 'drama'

I hope my recent contributions in an effort to defuse an unacceptable situation meet with your approval.

You may note the "post-mortem" item on a sub-page of Geoff's talk; your comments on that, subsectioned, would be most welcome.

Geoff starting on, what I felt was an attempt to lay groundwork for defence of later outbusts, isn't. A followup in the same form based on the actual version reviewed may reinforce that more-than-serious quality concerns existed; plus any remarks on xe's response to what I characterised as a "terse rejection"(see xyr talk).

Obviously I'd want my advice on WN:AAA considered, possibly given clear indication it meets with community consensus, and a strict interpretation and application of action suggested therein.

Would you concur?

P.S. Diplomacy, not Warfare, Diego ;) --Brian McNeil / talk 08:13, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
Haha, well, I don't really have time today to get myself into more drama (nor commenting :( ), but, the guy is obviously blatantly trolling us. Diego Grez return fire 14:21, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

## Delete

Please delete everything in my userspace, except my talk page and user page. If I return they can always be brought up later. --Nascar1996 (talk) 01:31, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. Sincerely, forever. --Nascar1996 (talk) 01:35, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
Done, no problem. Diego Grez return fire 01:36, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

## Diego ...

Just a friendly suggestion from a fellow editor - don't pour fuel on a fire. Really, antagonising Nascar isn't going to help anything now. He's probably not going to return soon, what's the point? Just move on from these distractions and focus on the ultimate goal - making Wikinews a reliable, popular, and successful news source. The less we quarrel over insignificant things, the better our chances are of attaining that goal. Please consider this. Tempodivalse [talk] 03:28, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that, Tempo. I'll keep that in my mind, and have been responding several e-mails from Nascar, trying to give him advice (maybe?) and make things clearer. Again, thanks :) Diego Grez return fire 03:31, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

## MySpace article

If you have got time to do so, could please review my latest article? It is called MySpace loses over ten million users in one month. Please review this as quickly as you possibly can before it goes stale. --Rayboy8 (my talk) (my contributions) 14:10, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Done Diego Grez return fire 15:56, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

## IRC

Heh. Konversation ftw. — μ 15:56, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

*wishes there was a Windows version* :P Diego Grez return fire 16:03, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
:Dμ 16:13, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

I would certainly gratefully accept an admin nomination. wackywace

## You know what this is about

block. --[[::User:Nascar1996|Nascar1996]] ([[::User talk:Nascar1996|talk]] • [[::Special:Contributions/Nascar1996|contribs]]) 19:27, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

## Three articles in five minutes

(Might as well get this over with. Shudder.)

Diego, you published three articles in five minutes, with no edits to any of them, and no edits to any of several other articles you'd published in the hours before. Two of those last three had international-audience issues with the first sentence (and one with the headline), all three had some shortage of categories and the one that didn't have international-audience issues had severe under-categorization, and at least the last one had bigger issues — a rambling first paragraph starting and ending with purple prose... Even after pulling the poetry I've grave doubts the article as a whole is properly neutral (but I physically can't do the sort of in-depth study necessary to be sure — it's 3am where I am, and after at least three all-nighters for Wikinews in as may weeks I simply don't have it in me).

Don't ever rubber stamp articles. (BarkingFish's dereviewer, only recently ended you will note, left us one more critical reviewer shorthanded for the lowest-output months in the history of the project.)

As a simple technique that may be of great help, make a point of always looking for some useful edit to make to an article before publishing it. It helps keep you from rushing past yourself, it helps you focus, it keeps you on your toes — and it also keeps the author on xyr toes, seeing visible evidence of the reviewer's edit reminding them to keep striving to do better. --Pi zero (talk) 07:08, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

• Three articles in five minutes makes it extremely unlikely even one source for each has been read to fact check. Bad Diego! --Brian McNeil / talk 09:35, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
• Diego, at least two of your articles have had serious problems that had to be corrected by others post-publish. This makes the site look unprofessional. Please be a little more thorough! Tempodivalse [talk] 20:08, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

## Standards needed for translations

Please see the remarks at Talk:English_actress_Elizabeth_Taylor_dies_at_age_79#Are_the_Spanish_sources_really_necessary.3F There are serious problems with one author using his Spanish translation of an article on an English actress. Usually (on other sites), a translation should be checked by two people. Also, you asked a reviewer who is not fluent in Spanish to review/publish the article. How is he supposed to fact check the sources? This is essentially one man's translation of an unknown author's article with no oversight.

Besides, why use a Spanish translation for an article on an English actress. The readers (remember them) are primarily English-speaking on this site, and will be unable to read the sources for themselves. The sources are for the readers too, as I am sure you know.

Who is the author of the translated article anyway? You?

I find the publication of this article disturbing and not a credit to wikinews IMO. The many grammatical errors found by reviewers show the original translation was poor. And as Gopher6 points out in the link above, words have culturally based meanings that don't translate easily. I don't have trust in you.

The article on a influential actress is very superficial. It doesn't even mention that she was known for her beauty but rather her "personality" only. Frustrated, I resorted to the web and found many fascinating articles on Elizabeth Taylor. IMO, this one should never have been published. English sources on an English actress are much more appropriate. Use of English sources would have resulted in a much more interesting and complete article. Maybe one Spanish article (to offer a different persecutive) may have been useful. I hope you will consider these suggestions. Regards, Mattisse (talk) 09:41, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

P.S. A more interesting last wish (rather than the charity donations which is standard) is that her funeral start 15 minutes late. Mattisse (talk) 10:18, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
• Please note, I did not write the article nor translated it. I only fixed the translation. I don't see the problem, the article was reviewed by me, while I was copyediting the rubbish translation. Nascar only published it at my request. If Elizabeth Taylor is English, Russian, Chinese, Mapuche, I don't care, the article was reviewed with those sources, not others. And if it misses things, you should have pointed them out or {{fixed}} in less than 24 hours after its publication, now it is too late and your comments are relatively moot to me. Diego Grez return fire 21:13, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

For the sake of the professionalism of wikinews, please consider Gopher65's comments in your future work, since you brush off my opinion. I gather from what Gopher65 says, you do this translation stuff often, to the burden of reviewers (an hour and a half to reveiw your article versus 15 minutes for one by someone else). And the article will have the defects that he points out. Your response is: "And if it misses things, you should have pointed them out or {{fixed}} in less than 24 hours after its publication." How much time do you expect the project to spend on your articles? Regards, Mattisse (talk) 21:28, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Yet again, Matisse, I did not translate that article, I only fixed the rubbish translation. I don't do translation stuff very often, I do create articles that are relevant to my country (Spanish-speaking), and I try to help the reviewers through IRC (I ask them to review them by there), if they've got any question about the content (maybe stupid transliterations?). And for the last part, I did not specifically refer to "any of my articles", but others'. After all the wiki is editable by anyone, you should know better. Cheers, --Diego Grez return fire 21:38, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

## Use of "yesterday" on the main page - please don't

Please don't do this again; sloppiness on the main page really doesn't look good. Regards, Bencherlite (talk) 19:37, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry. Diego Grez return fire 21:15, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Here's my understanding of policy on this matter: English sources are much preferred both from the point of view of a reviewer and as a reader. Use of English sources should take precedence over non-English sources. When no English sources are available (as happens occasionally), it is permissible to use non-English sources. Here's the reasoning behind that:
Reader: The reader may want to read further the subject of the article, or they may want to check up on us. Either way, that's easier with English sources than non-English sources. (Note that we prefer to direct them to internal Wikinews stories when possible, and after that to other WMF sites (like Wikipedia or Wiktionary). External sources are the last place we want our readers to go, after they have exhausted all that we and our sister sites have to offer.)
Reviewer: Reviewers want to review perfect articles. That makes the reviewer's job easier. The easier their job is, the longer it takes each individual reviewer to "burn out", and the faster any given article will get reviewed. Every little thing that makes the review harder to do slows the process, and burns through the available time and effort that each reviewer has to offer.
Example: it takes me 15 minutes or so to factcheck, copycheck, format, and categorize (etc) an article written by someone like C628. One of Deigo's Spanish-sourced articles usually takes me closer to an hour and a half. That's a big block of time to devote to reviewing a single article. In many cases it takes longer to review a non-English sourced article than it does to write it. Part of it is just doing the basic fact/copycheck, but almost as big a time sink is trying to fix odd translations that don't quite sit well with native English speakers, or trying to figure out what the cultural translation of a quote would be.
A surprising percentage of the things that we say are culturally based. The classic example from Star Trek: TNG is saying "Romeo and Juliet" to an alien and a human. The words themselves are meaningless (they're just proper nouns (and an article if you're going to be nitpicky about it. Eeesh! You people. :P)), but the cultural meaning is significant. To the alien it means nothing, to the human it conjures up a vague feeling of romanticism, or maybe young love (although I'd contend that the play was actually about the failure of the families of the titular characters to properly deal with the infatuation, rather than being a story that has anything to do with love, or even with the impropriety of the main character's actions). The same lack of cultural knowledge that prevents an alien from understanding the words "Romeo and Juliet" followed by a wink and a nudge, also prevents people who speak different languages from understanding each other's cultural phrases. Back to reviewing, it's not Deigo's fault that his articles are hard to review; weirdness and timesickage are just in the nature of translating. Gopher65talk 01:19, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

For the sake of the professionalism of wikinews, please consider Gopher65's comments in your future work, since you brush off my opinion. I gather from what Gopher65 says, you do this translation stuff often, to the burden of reviewers (an hour and a half to reveiw your article versus 15 minutes for one by someone else). And the article will have the defects that he points out. Your response is: "And if it misses things, you should have pointed them out or {{fixed}} in less than 24 hours after its publication." How much time do you expect the project to spend on your articles? Regards, Mattisse (talk) 21:28, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Did you read Gopher65's comments. They largely have to do with using foreign language sources (in this case Spanish) for articles on English subjects. You seem to have missed the point. I have put some of his comments in bold, hoping they will be read. Mattisse (talk) 21:53, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

## A thought

We all strive to improve, right? I notice an hour or two back you wrote an edit summary starting "OK, you're officially being stupid". It's easy to write that sort of thing casually, but if it isn't taken that way it can be somewhat hurtful. You might consider how you could have written an edit summary conveying the information about what to do without using the word "stupid". Which should be better for morale all around. --Pi zero (talk) 01:33, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

## Civility warning

Calling someone 'stupid' is never a good thing: most 'stupidity' is subjective, arising out of a mixture of misunderstanding and hot-headedness. This sort of thing is especially common on the Internet, where it is easy to misconstrue people's comments — if it helps, assume that nobody knows anything unless you tell them. Explain the parts that are not understood, and take the time to make them understand. As for the warning: one, two, three. You know the drill. — μ 14:32, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

I agree. Diego, please remember that being rude makes the insulter look stupid, not those whom the remarks were aimed at. You're not contributing to a professional, courteous environment by responding that way to a well-intentioned request for assistance. Tempodivalse [talk] 19:10, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Per 38 killed in attack on Afghan bank, thanks! I wasn't involved in the article but I was worried the Afghani > Afghan was not going to be fixed. So thanks! Mattisse (talk) 22:35, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

No problem, I suppose :) Diego Grez return fire 23:01, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

## Thank you!

For reverting Millions face poverty as food prices rise. The last time that happened it kicked the article out of the "Submitted for peer review" queue and put it back into "In development, undisputed"! So thanks! It looks like that didn't happen this time. Mattisse (talk) 22:55, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

yeah, happily Diego Grez return fire 22:57, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
This guy vandalized another of my articles a bunch of times User talk:Aussieladav and was blocked on April 13. See Revision history of "Bob Dylan plays first concert in Vietnam" How does he come back? Mattisse (talk) 23:03, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
This one Millions face poverty as food prices rise got kicked to the end of the queue because he vandalized it [8] It there any way to prevent this? Seems like he is targeting me. Mattisse (talk) 23:41, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
Probably not. They are targetting articles for review in general, and apparently you're the one who has written the most of those :) Diego Grez return fire 23:45, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

## Unclose Nascar's Reviewer request

While I appreciate your enthusiasm to get Nascar to work on reviews, one hour is not enough time for people to even be aware of the request let alone to consider if the user should, perhaps, have the priv. I've re-opened the request, even though I understand you've probably given the bits. - 19:46, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Okie, let's make sure then. Diego Grez return fire 19:47, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

## RE: Wikinews:Requests_for_permissions

I fixed my vote at Wikinews:Requests_for_permissions. Thanks for pointing that out. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aj00200 (talkcontribs)

No problem, and thank you. Diego Grez return fire 23:05, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

## Questions

Do you object to my questions in "Requestions for permissions"? [9]

Perhaps it is not necessary for an admin at wikinews to have a fundamental understanding of article publishing. Is that true? If it is not necessary for an admin to understand the principles of reviewing (source checking, accuracy, avoiding misquoting, avoiding promotion of a product, NPOV etc.) then I will withdraw my question. Is that the case? Please let me know since you have an interest in the matter. I am more than willing to withdraw my question if it offends you. Thanks, Mattisse (talk) 23:26, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

No, Matisse! :) I did not even read the questions nor who asked them, I just saw there was a long trace of text and wrote that, I'm sorry if you felt offended by that. Diego Grez return fire 23:32, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
I felt that I must be doing something wrong, something against the rules here. Just asking, as it is confusing to me what is condoned here and what is not ok. Usually it is ok to ask questions, but I guess here it is unusual. I will be more careful in the future. Thanks, Mattisse (talk) 23:42, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
I have entered an "oppose" as I see how quickly these nominations are closed and I fear this one will be also without my question being answered. If the nominee will address the question in a satisfactory manner, rather than avoiding it, thereby showing that she is aware of the problem, I am willing to withdraw the oppose. Or, if you say that it is not necessary for an admin to be aware of bias, fact checking and NPOV I will withdraw the oppose. Mattisse (talk) 01:01, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
Matisse, as far as I know the questions are optional, and he is free to not respond you, but if you have pointed a rather important issue as a question, they should respond it IMO (yet again I reiterate I haven't read the questions). Admins should be careful with potential bias in the articles they review, correctly fact-check and check for NPOV; that's something inherited from the reviewer right. Diego Grez return fire 01:06, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

## Your recent `obvious` blocks have been confirmed via CU

[10] Gryllida (talk) 11:28, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

MWHAHAHAHAHAHAH. I IZ EVIL. :P
Now, seriously, thanks for the comment. アンパロ Io ti odio! 13:54, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

## {{DEFAULTSORT:

You recently used the {{DEFAULTSORT: magic word in an archived article. This isn't best practice, as DPL does the recategorisation weirdly — in short, an article written in 2005 is now at the top of Category:Published. Please do not put {{DEFAULTSORT: on articles after the 23:59UTC the day the article is published. — μchip08 19:19, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Hmm 'kay. The article seemed weird in its parent category anyway... アンパロ Io ti odio! 19:22, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
Policy linkμchip08 19:24, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello Diego Grez,

I just removed your bot flag on frwiktionary due to inactivity. As your bot is globally inactive for months, I think we should remove bot status everywhere it's misused. Thanks by advance -- Quentinv57 (talk) 15:23, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Er, it hasn't been 'misused' ;) The toolserver went down sometime in January and since then I haven't got the time to restart it, but okay, that's fine. アンパロ Io ti odio! 15:25, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, I wouldn't say 'misued'. I was sure it means 'unused', so I'm sorry for the confusion.
It would be really better if you could restart it... But if you don't plan to use it anymore, it would be better to remove bot statuts (which can be restored if the bot is still used, ofc). If it's the case, just say explicitly that it is not needed anymore, it would make stewards life easier ;)
Thanks -- Quentinv57 (talk) 20:44, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

## A great time!

Wow, I'm interested in translating earthquake articles right now. I should have been finished by tomorrow. --223.207.3.195 (talk) 15:04, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

P.S. I'm Horus @ ThaiWikipedia --223.207.3.195 (talk) 15:05, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

## First international solar-powered flight?

Hi Diego!

I'm interested in your opinion on the impact of NASA's reported flight in 1980 on the truth of Solar Impulse's claim.

Please respond at Talk:Solar-powered airplane makes first international flight#First?

--InfantGorilla (talk) 13:42, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

## Blocking

You blocked 75.47.141.144 for creating useless test pages. Since they didn't get a welcome message yet, I added a {{test}} to their talk page. --Gryllida (% talk) 04:30, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

## Surfer article

Passed, but can you check this translation, please? 19:11, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that's okay. I translated it changing some words but not the meaning :P But the new one is fine. アンパロ Io ti odio! 20:48, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

## RfP

I've asked you a question at your request for bureaucratship. Gryllida 22:51, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

## Don't get discouraged

Diego, don't get discouraged by this [11], you are still a valued contributor, and a worthwhile member of this community. :) -- Cirt (talk) 03:53, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

yeah. :) I'm still unsure as to why I did that at all, I hate when people call me a "hat collector", when I certainly wanted to help a bit, and as lately I don't do much as an editor nor as an administrator, maybe I thought this would be a good opportunity to do something different. However, I'm not good explaining, nor my Chileanisms are understandable the same way they are in Spanish in English. So... as I said, not a big deal :P Thank you for these words, they mean a lot to me. アンパロ Io ti odio! 03:57, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

I hope you realise that the questions I asked at the RfP were intended to be evaluative only and in no way discouraging. There as well may be fewer active original reporting contributors than bureaucrats? :-P Gryllida (% talk) 04:52, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

## ty

sorry diego --Causefur (talk) 04:21, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

np, our 'policies' are still obscure and stupid, you are not guilty :P アンパロ Io ti odio! 04:23, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Heh. I resemble that remark. --Pi zero (talk) 05:08, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

## You're only creating more drama

Kthxbai. --theMONO 03:31, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

The drama was already here, and it doesn't seem to be anyway to stop it. These two users were deliberately creating drama, the blocks are intended to prevent them. I've seen one user has announced their retirement from the project, that's okay, it's their decision, while the other has said "it may be deemed inappropriate" to block because of something that happened in the Comments namespace: let me tell you, the Comments namespace is still in the Wikinews wiki, it isn't in outer space and there are policies to follow. I'm not just going to call you all "fucking assraped faggots" there because I am almost sure nobody will block me there; no, it simply doesn't work out that way. Kthxbai, too. アンパロ Io ti odio! 03:37, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
First: please post to WN:AAA#Anything else stating what you did and why. You should do that when taking an admin action that is potentially controversial in an out-of-the-ordinary way. I would rather you posted there, rather than leaving it to someone else; if started by someone else (me, say) it would seem like a complaint, whereas from you it would be merely an acknowledgement that the action wasn't altogether routine. There definitely should be a thread there about it; at the very least, it leaves a record in a standard place where people can find it.
Some thoughts on the action.
• There aren't policies; that's kind of the point. Written policy on Wikinews is often behind the curve, and comments namespace operates under a different set of rules.
• If users were discussing the article, they could call each other fucking assraped faggots and expect to be quite safe in doing so.
• They weren't discussing the article or anything remotely related to it anymore, and imho that's the only reason you're not unequivocally wrong to have blocked them.
• Even if the block itself is supported, 24 hours might have been overdoing it. Blocking potentially productive Wikinewsies is hard on the project, because articles can suffer a lot, perhaps fatally, from say 24 hours of neglect. That's one of the reasons I dislike blocks for squabbles between potentially productively Wikinewsies.
--Pi zero (talk) 04:39, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

There is one thing simple as that, if a user is a legitimate contributor to Wikinews then blocking them is not a wise thing to decide. Raising a conversation at their talk page is often a more successful and peaceful thing to d first. Please try to educate the participants in a short, welcoming manner if you can, or just try to stay out of "the drama". Thanks, Gryllida (% talk) 07:39, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

## Unblocks performed

Please note that your blocks against Brian McNeil and Matisse have been unilaterally removed by myself. It is not appropriate to block users for making comments in the Comments namespace, unless there are very clear cut circumstances, such as libel, etc. Please be more careful about how you use blocks in the future. BarkingFish (talk) 08:50, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Although I do not dispute the removal (I did not dispute the blocks either, though I was thinking of cutting them by 12hrs either before or after giving Diego a chance to start a thread on WN:AAA, as xe should have done right after blocking), note that in general it is possible that after warning the parties not to abuse the comments namespace, blocks would become an appropriate sanction. Genuine disruption did, after all, result from this incident: BRS and Crazynomad were having a pleasant trollish discussion related to the article when their discussion was disrupted by this. --Pi zero (talk) 12:31, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Both parties have been in a long-time worthless and stupid discussion about nonsense, you know it. Does that even deserve a warning? One of them is a bureaucrat, they should know things better. But since BarkingFish has unilaterally removed the blocks without asking me, the whole AAA drama discussion I should have started, is now complete moot. Thank you! </sarcasm> アンパロ Io ti odio! 22:12, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

## Spanish news

Maybe you could ask a few people in your family/town/university to join Wikinews to help with the work on Spanish articles? I don't know how these reviews happen (don't want to use automated translations myself). Just a suggestion, you can forget or take it, I don't particularly find it serious but it might turn out to be a university involvement like the UoW work. --Gryllida 12:01, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Most people I know don't speak English (well... my mother is the exception, but she probably does not give a shit about Wikinews)... I could still ask some classmates, though Google only fails at translating some localisms (?) perhaps quotes won't be the same as the provided in the article. Almost everytime before, my articles have been reviewed with an automatic translator. アンパロ Io ti odio! 21:20, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
I don't know too much Spanish, but I can get the gist of things looking at it, and Google's fairly accurate, so I can review things, albeit a little slower than usual. 21:10, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

## Flood flag

Done? :-)  --Pi zero (talk) 19:14, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Yup! I thought I had removed the flood flag from myself, but it seems I just closed the tab without doing it at all :P *fails miserably* アンパロ Io ti odio! 19:16, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
When I was using it for archiving (I later decided it was better for the community to see the archiving, so they'd think "gee, we'd better write/review more articles to replace those"), I thought for a while I was fairly often forgetting to turn it off. Then I discovered that for some reason (I never figured out why), sometimes I'd click "Save user groups" and it wouldn't change anything. So now I always do a double-check, after I've clicked "Save user groups", to make sure it actually did what I told it to. --Pi zero (talk) 20:25, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

## Haha

You're a joke.--William S. Saturn (talk) 05:08, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

So you are. アンパロ Io ti odio! 05:11, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a reliable source; I don't believe a single word. アンパロ Io ti odio! 05:14, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
So do you also choose to simply ignore the reliable sources used to source the article?--William S. Saturn (talk) 05:16, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Yes. People from the United States are simply US-ians, Gringos, Estadounidenses, or Unitedstatensians to me, but never Americans; you're ashaming the continent, take your proudness with yourselves, the American countries don't need your strength (reminds me of Diego Portales' position on the US' Monroe doctrine, back in the 1830s). アンパロ Io ti odio! 05:21, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
So your POV should take precedence over reliable sources?--William S. Saturn (talk) 05:24, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
No. This is common practice, and U.S. is more appropriate than American. US actor Gary Coleman dies aged 42 US actor Dennis Hopper dies at age 74 US actor Patrick McGoohan dead at age 80 There you have... アンパロ Io ti odio! 05:27, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
P.S. This may interest you. Let's just not have a World War III on this pointless, nationalist thing. アンパロ Io ti odio! 05:29, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Yes and one of those was moved by you. Perhaps you should also move: American actress Brittany Murphy dies at age 32, American baseball star Rodriguez admits to using performance enhancing drugs, American teenage girl charged with murder of her mother, American actor and comedian Bernie Mac dies at age 50, American cyclist Floyd Landis tested positive for excessive levels of testosterone in second test, American actor Morgan Freeman in serious condition after car accident... There is no nationalism on my side, just intolerance of ignorance.--William S. Saturn (talk) 05:33, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

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Right... ignorance. I would move these if the archiving policy allowed me to do so. アンパロ Io ti odio! 05:38, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Name another country that ends its name with "America". People from Canada are Canadians, people from Mexico are Mexicans...and people from the United States of America are Americans. Why are you making a special case for the United States when there's no ambiguity with other nations? "US actor" is grammatically incorrect; it's akin to saying "Canada actor" rather than "Canadian actor".--William S. Saturn (talk) 05:44, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
William, please see wikt:American; we go by the dictionary. --Brian McNeil / talk 07:08, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Yes. The individual in question satisfies both definitions.--William S. Saturn (talk) 19:16, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

## 9/11_conspiracy_theory_goes_to_U.S._Court_in_Denver

Hi There Diego, Tuviste oportunidad de mirar mi articulo? Stapler80 (talk) 22:34, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't seem to have received the e-mail. Can you please forward it to diegogrez /at/ gmail /dotty dot dot/ com ? Thank you. アンパロ Io ti odio! 22:41, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Acabo de enviar los archivos a ese email.Stapler80 (talk) 12:58, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
The translation is alright. I'll see if I have sometime later to day to review the article, I don't promise anything though ;) / La traducción está bien. Veré si tengo algo de tiempo después hoy para revisar el artículo, aunque no prometo nada. アンパロ Io ti odio! 14:17, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
I need your comments at the article talk page. I am being bullied. Would you consider co-authoring?

## Quote formatting

Whether a period at the end of a quote goes inside the quotation mark ("That's what she said.") or outside the quotation mark (That's what she said".) depends on which side of the Atlantic you're on. Both are correct. Gopher65talk 17:39, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Ah... アンパロ Io ti odio! 17:51, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
It's even worse than that. There are at least three different conventions floating around. (I used to debate quotation punctuation over at WP:MOS talk, back before I got disillusioned with the atmosphere over there.) --Pi zero (talk) 18:40, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I've blown the occasional fuse on Wikipedia about various bits of punctuation and grammar as well, heh. The real problem is that English doesn't have a standardized set of grammatical and spelling rules, but most people not only think that it does, they think that the conventions *they* grew up with are the correct ones, and everyone else is just being stupid.
At some point the language will probably either have to adhere to a single standard, or simply drop standardization attempts altogether and let people spell and punctuated stuff the way they want to... which is how it use to be, until recently. Whichever path people choose, we'd at least be able to stop beating our heads against our desks in frustration. ;) Gopher65talk 21:54, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
As far as quotes go, I work on the principle that if the punctuation is part of the quote - such as quoting a full sentence - put it inside the quote marks. Rather that than people put all the stops awry. --Brian McNeil / talk 23:14, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
I agree with this practice. If the punctuation is inside the quotation marks, it is part of the quotation. e.g. If the quotation ends in a full stop, then the period is included within the quotes. Mattisse (talk) 23:31, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
That's what WP:MOS has recommended for many years, and what I spent much time and effort defending there. "[P]lace all punctuation marks inside the quotation marks if they are part of the quoted material and outside if they are not." --Pi zero (talk) 01:17, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

## Singer Amy Winehouse dead at age 27

This would have been a really good moment to apply the "find a copyedit before publishing" rule. The article was uncategorized, which would have made for a dead-easy simple copyedit, and made a big difference in the impression left by the edit history. As is, the edit history really looks bad — published with no copyedits two minutes after the author's last substantive addition. As I say, it would have been a really good moment for an easy copyedit. --Pi zero (talk) 17:41, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

I did not see it had no categories, I just quick checked the facts and published the article. I'm sorry about that. アンパロ Io ti odio! 17:42, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
For urgent news, I think the important thing is to get it out the door quickly and then fix it up post-publication. Who cares about the "impression left by the edit history"? The readers don't. If a few readers arrive and it doesn't have categories: who cares? We can fix not having categories. We can't fix the story not being published. —Tom Morris (talk) 17:45, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
The categories themselves aren't the issue. The appearance I'm talking about is that the edit history made it look like the review was a rubber stamp, and that appearance is bad for both project reputation and project morale. The only reason I mentioned the categories is that, because making some copyedit before publication would have been so valuable in this case, the categories would have been an easy way to provide such a copyedit.
The rule of thumb I'm referring to is the one at the top of here. --Pi zero (talk) 18:01, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
Additionally, numerous of the sources when published are clones; attack of the Murdoch empire, pah! --Brian McNeil / talk 18:04, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

## Sorry

I apologize for being retarded by responding to closed RFPs. No hard feelings. ;) — Waterfox (talk) 00:51, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

## Reviewer reconfirmation

Diego, with the above concerns expressed over your review of one recent obituaries, and allegations you passed another containing unsourced information, I feel obliged to ask you to put yourself up for confirmation regarding reviewer privileges. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:06, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

## Televisión Nacional de Chile acknowledges 'error' for using 'hooded delinquent' videos in news programme

Look, I think it is a very interesting article and I searched the internet for some English versions. And I would be glad to copy edit it for you if I were sure of the content. Lots of the quotes could just be remove. Instead of saying, he said, "quote", just say he said that blah blah (paraphrase it). Respectfully, Mattisse (talk) 18:50, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

## User name usurpation...

... on de-WP is done. Regards, FritzG (talk) 22:50, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

I have closed your reviewer reconfirmation as rights retained per the comments and unanimous consensus of the community in the aforementioned discussion. Regards, Tyrol5 (talk) 13:50, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! Greetings, アンパロ Io ti odio! 16:15, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

## libyan rebels story

can u help? when u have time? --Dustbowlhero (talk) 21:56, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

## #wikipedia-ay

Hey Diego Grez, how's it going? I've been working with ay.wikipedia for a while and wanted to get them to hang out on IRC. I noticed you have Founder rights on #wikipedia-ay and I wanted to know if you'd be willing to give me Founder flag, so I can manage user rights and other administrative stuff. I plan on granting some of them op status and flag founder in the long run. Regards, --Alhen (talk) 22:03, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Erm, sure, I suppose. アンパロ Io ti odio! 22:04, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

## Fire article

Needs detailed OR notes, and a bit of neutrality tweaking. And I've got very very limited availability. All on the article talk. --Pi zero (talk) 13:48, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Truthfully, I wasn't entirely comfortable with my second review of the article, after the fact. You did of course upgrade the notes considerably, but as you say, you should have done better. Indeed, you surely can do better, even if you are in a hurry, as long as you realize ahead of time that you need to jot down better notes. Which you now do realize, I hope.
I was uncomfortable enough that I consulted with BRS about it, who pointed out the specific difficulty with the meaning of "unidentified", leading me to submit the change to the article that I did.
I note your post to foundation-l wikinews-l. Unfortunate, that. The discussion of the fork there was very nearly 100% anti-Wikinews trolling —most responses there to my own one post, for example, demonstrated extraordinary lack of reading comprehension (no way to tell for sure if they really were unable to read and understand what I wrote, or were deliberately misunderstanding)— and it was rather pleasant when the thread finally petered out.
[Please note, I am an idiot, not even noticing your post was to wikinews-l rather than foundation-l. My being an idiot is nothing new, of course. :-) ]
A general thought, which I've been developing for some time and am now struggling to articulate. The value of Wikinews lies in its high standards — in no particular order,
• helping people to learn to self-distinguish between what facts they know reliably, what they suspect, and what is their opinion (including the importance of where information comes from — plus other stuff, of course, but those are the most profound, I think, skills that have immense value in life generally);
• presenting material to a reliably high standard; and
• giving people the opportunity to disseminate their work in a venue that certifies it's up to that standard.
People being anyone with internet access, of course. :-) --Pi zero (talk) 13:30, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
(Sorry for the late response) Yep, Wikinews lies in its high standards, it's a good thing, I have nothing to say. I'm sure we all understand volunteers aren't paid at all and obviously won't produce reviews nor articles in a large scale. However, as I pointed out in the e-mail WN needs a "reform" re. the review process, and it needs it now, but I don't know how. "Relaxing" the process wouldn't solve the problem, auto-publishing wouldn't either. In one way we should fix this, otherwise WN will be losing potential contributors and users; note I'm not saying they'll migrate to OG, they'll probably won't bother to edit Wikimedia at all anymore. Diego Grez (talk) 00:58, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
Software tools that help significantly with the mechanics of review would be good.
• I used to think multi-reviewer collaboration was a likely candidate, but that's clearly hard to do, it was never clear how well it would really work after all the trouble to make it happen, and at the moment it might not help much anyway with the low number of active reviewers.
• A task that seems to me to take up an awful lot of reviewer time and effort is matching sections of a Wikinews article against the corresponding sections of the sources. But for a tool like that to really work, it might have to avoid pattern-matching entirely — simple pattern-matching is apt to miss things, and advanced pattern-matching in this case seems scarcely short of full natural-language understanding. And the tool would have to avoid making one or another type of problem harder to see.
It really feels like the right tools could be a game-changer. The wrong tools, of course, could really mess things up. But if something as "simple" as the {{w}} template can make as big a difference as it does —and it's pretty much eradicated what used to be a noticeable source of tedium and mistakes— there ought to be some other well-chosen simple tools that would make a big difference. The keyword being chosen: the design of {{w}} is subtle, only the action is simple. --Pi zero (talk) 01:49, 4 November 2011 (UTC)