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My apologies.....[edit]

...I missed that one of the sources was in English. However, the other sources really don't belong, as they're in another language. I will remove them, but the article will still be lacking one source (as we require 2 sources). --Bddpaux (talk) 00:40, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Well, technically, I see that I didn't miss it because it wasn't there when the article was first submitted. English Wikinews requires two sources (independent of one another) for each article. I'm told that, in the past, accredited reporters might translate other-language news articles on the talk page, and that was accepted. For now, I'm removing the non-English articles, as (at this point in the flow of things)they can't really be used here to add value to the article. More annoyingly, I don't have time to review this right now, so another reviewer must take it....sorry. --Bddpaux (talk) 00:48, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
No worries, I like the fact that you work following stricly the rules. So, my question: official website does not serve as a source, as it is in English? And, where can I place translations of the actual Spanish sources? On the other hand, an authomatic translation of the actual Spanish sources would provide easily the coincidence and truth of the sources... Pleased to be in contact and thank you for the advice! ;-) --FiloActual (talk) 01:44, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi. I'm reviewing the article now.
Non-English sources are a thorny issue for us. We'd really like to be able to handle them more readily than we now can; it'd be great to be able to scoop the mainstream English media with stories that have only been covered in some other language. We have a practical problem with them because it's usually difficult or impossible for a reviewer to cope with them; and therefore, we have an official policy —here— that we can cite to require English sources when available. What's more complicated, there are two different issues here, verification and copyright. For verification, one can add English sources; but for copyright, one ought not to remove a source if it was actually used to write the article, even if it's in a language the reviewer can't read fluently.
I'm concerned, at the moment, that the article may not satisfy our criterion for freshness. This is another problem that arises fairly often with stories that migrate here from some other language's Wikinews: because the story followed such a winding path to get here, by the time it arrives in our review queue, it's old.
Meanwhile, I'm fixing other style points as I come to them, so hopefully there will be things to learn from the review even if we're unable to get the particular article into a publishable state. --Pi zero (talk) 02:40, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

I've submitted my review, unfortunately finding it not-ready for publication in its current form. I considered the freshness issue carefully, and wrote up my reasoning in as much detail as I could in my review comments. I also did a bunch of work on the source citations and the English phrasing of the article, as documented in the detailed history of edits during review. (There would likely be other things that would have come up later during the review process, if it hadn't been cut short by the difficulty over freshness; but of course, I can't know what those other things might have been.) --Pi zero (talk) 04:13, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi, yes, well, you have your criteria with freshness. It is a pitty since the best form to learn is to cross the whole process. On the other hand, would you interested in preparing an "Exclusive interview", I mean helping me during the process? I think original news are more important , as you suggest, than just translations of other languages sources...--FiloActual (talk) 17:57, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
A complication is that we judge the bona fides of an original reporter based on their accumulated personal reputation, and, well, you haven't accumulated any yet. (See WN:Never assume.) Your account was created less than a week ago.
You might want to inquire about your OR aspirations at WN:Water cooler/assistance. Folks there might even have suggestions re the accumulated-reputation difficulty. --Pi zero (talk) 00:49, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Galician emigrant Rufino López receives 2013 Spanish-American International Award[edit]

Congratulations. You're a published English Wikinews reporter; just checked google news, and yes, it's there. --Pi zero (talk) 21:28, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Yeah! looks GOOD. But it is so due to your editing, I am reading through all the changes you made, because I can learn a lot. Can you be my tutor here around? I'd like to prepare "original reports", visiting some events and making interviews. Is it possible? What do I have to do? Thank you, and I'd like to make more and better. ;-) --FiloActual (talk) 01:45, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
We really hope contributors will learn from our edits as well as from our comments. The better an article is when first submitted, the easier it is to review, and the faster the article can move through the review process.
It's amazing how much nicer an article can look after some editorial cleanup. And yes, we love when reporters learn to do that stuff beforehand, saving reviewers work — but there's a lot of fundamental stuff about the content that the reviewer can't fix, so the reporter has to get it right. Depite a few verification problems here and there, this was fundamentally a sound article.
Original reporting is discussed at WN:Original reporting. It generally takes preparation and lots of documentation, such as handwritten notes (a traditional favorite), audio recordings, pictures, what have you. The general rule is, aim to provide more documentation than needed. I'd suggest, for ideas, looking at examples of OR in our archives (Category:Original reporting), especially examples of featured articles that are original reporting. I might add, that I myself have never written OR here, so I see OR mainly from the perspective of someone who ends up reviewing a lot of it; you might also do well to ask advice from those with personal experience of doing it. Perhaps you could ask for advice at the assistance water cooler. --Pi zero (talk) 02:48, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I will follow that instructions and start thinking about a new OR among other reports which may give me a better understanding. Also, probably I will create a new nickname here in wikinews so that it is more appropriate for English speaking readers, since my actual nick is too Spanish. ;-)--FiloActual (talk) 09:11, 3 November 2013 (UTC)