User talk:Green Giant/Archive 5

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About the Myanmar military coup article

Sorry if I sound rather contemptful, you'll see why.

The issue with your deletion of the article ― which I played a prominent part in writing ― is that I received no notification to the deletion at all. None, zilch, nada. Now, there some responsibility that should be shouldered onto me, I ― probably ― should've had the talk page on my watchlist. But, you most certainly should have alerted me on my talk page, like User:Acagastya who politely alerted me and I then updated the article.

I have other words for Wikinews in general, like how it takes an eternity ― at least in the news world ― for an article to be reviewed. But, that's irrelevant to this subject. --Kirkworld (talk) 02:20, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

@Kirkworld: sorry you feel that way about your article. Any article that you write, if it is abandoned, it is tagged as {{abandoned}}. If there are no significant changes, it is then deleted. An author needs to look at the article, and be alert about it. The discussion about the article, and its status will be on the article or its talk. We may occassionally inform the author if there is a problem that can be fixed, but this is a standard procedure. Re taking forever for article to be reviewed, Kirkworld, we are all volunteers here, with real life commitments too. Reviewers feel bad about losing an article, and it really sucks to lose the article like this. I hope you reconsider this with light that sometimes we lose the race against time, due to off-wiki real world commitments. I would say, how about you give one more try, pick something fresh, and write another article. If you do not mind using IRC, consider joining #wikinews or #wikinews-en, where reviewers and authors can have a real-time discussion about the potential problems and fixes for an article which helps for a speedy review.
•–• 02:47, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
@Kirkworld: I appreciate it can be frustrating to see work deleted but these are agreed procedures we have been using for years. If we did not use these procedures, we would probably see huge numbers of abandoned drafts. Unlike Wikipedia, we felt it was necessary to only keep the published articles and those that were still fresh. I am open to the idea of changing the parameters e.g. may be moving the "abandoned" procedure from four plus two days to five plus three days. This would need agreement by Wikinewsies. I’d also recommend changing the settings on your Preferences so that each page you edit is automatically placed in your watchlist. --Green Giant (talk) 00:57, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
I've long suspected the reason it's four days is so that it's sure to be solidly past the two-to-three-day horizon for freshness. --Pi zero (talk) 00:17, 21 February 2021 (UTC)


Why did you delete the article? If you revert your changes, I promise to work on it every day. Thanks. TheFurreterPress (talk) 04:22, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

It was stale. The event in question happened well over three days ago, and its overall relevance was, IMO, dubious from the start. Please refer to Wikinews:Newsworthiness for more. --Dylan Smithson (talk) 04:53, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
"With the exceptions noted, it's very rare for an article to be published more than three calendar days (in UTC, the time Wikinews keeps) after what the article is reporting." --Dylan Smithson (talk) 04:54, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
@TheFurreterPress: Don’t be too disheartened by the deletion. We have all had draft articles rejected and deleted for one reason or another. It is part of the learning process on Wikinews. As Dylan has noted, the article became stale from about March 10/11. There were no edits for about five days - which is why I tagged it as being possibly abandoned. Unless there is some more recent aspect of that story, it will not regain freshness. It is a long-held principle of Wikinews to only publish fresh news. There are exceptions such as interviews, which can extend the freshness timescale. Could you outline anything that could refresh the story? If there is a reasonable prospect of such freshness being extended, I’ll happily restore the article. --Green Giant (talk) 08:08, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Please sight these edits

Hello, Green Giant. Can you please sight me edits on Kim Yo Jong criticizes US-South Korean military drills?
•–• 18:06, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Done. Green Giant (talk) 18:40, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
Thanks! Really appreciate it!
•–• 18:42, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Could you please sight the edits on European Medicines Agency calls AstraZeneca vaccine "safe and effective"? --JJLiu112 (talk) 15:56, 26 March 2021 (UTC)


Hi, Green Giant. I will be afk from Sunday morning 6AM IST to at least Tuesday morning 11 AM. I will have internet access, but won't be easy to use the mop and the bucket. And I also won't be able to review.
•–• 15:29, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

@Acagastya: No problem. I’ll try to be online during those times and keep an eye on things. -- Green Giant (talk) 18:41, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
Thanks Green Giant, really appreciated. Gryllida (talk) 09:57, 28 March 2021 (UTC)


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Moving a published page?

(Apologies if this comes out as a rant) What was the reason to move this page, Green Giant? The does not use English (US), nor did the author choose or request English (US) for the headline. If an article is published, we DO NOT move the page until after the article is archived unless it is one heck of a dying emergency. This creates multiple entries in the Facebook/twitter/RSS feed for those who are subscribed to our feed. Worse, the page was moved without leaving a redirect. Meaning anyone who saw the first post of this article was published will now end up on dead end. If you want a page to be moved post-archival, please put {{moveprotected}} on the article's talk, so one can do it later.
•–• 04:09, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes, unfortunately, it does come across as a bit of a rant. "The does not use English (US)" - I’m not sure what you are referring to but the article subject is definitely a US subject. Although I personally favour British spellings wherever possible, in this case the article name just does not look right. I would have expected it to be picked up during review. Having said this, I note we have an ambiguity in the guidelines at WN:Style guide#Spelling which allows geographical preference or author preference. However it also goes on to encourage using an obvious spelling where possible and in this instance that would be the US spelling. --Green Giant (talk) 09:54, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
There are two things to discuss here. Even if the article is related to the US, the author does not have to use English (US). The choice of English variant for the article is left for the author and the reviewer (who publishes the article) to decide. If the author did not use English (US), and the reviewer didn't convert it to English (US), it should not be renamed post-publication.
And in no circumstance must an admin rename a published article without leaving a redirect. If you see our Twitter account, the first version was tweeted out -- and when we rename without leaving a redirect, anyone checking that link will see the deleted page -- which should never happen. Always leave the redirect behind. However, if the published article is renamed before it was archived -- a duplicate entry is created. So please, do not do it. (That is the reason we protect the page so only admins can move it.) As long as there is nothing severely wrong with the headline, renaming should happen only after it is {{archive}}d by a reviewer.
•–• 11:02, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
Clearly we are not going to agree on this issue. I understand what you are saying about moving but you appear to be glossing over the core issue. Either the author and reviewer genuinely did not realise that "criminalise” is not a US spelling or they don’t want to acknowledge it as a valid spelling. The average US reader is going to see a non-US title for a US subject. It may seem small but things like this mark Wikinews out as sloppy, which is the image our opponents want. It is similar to using "Bombay" for “Mumbai" and putting it down to personal preference. However long Bombay was used is less relevant than the local wish for it to be referred to as Mumbai. -Green Giant (talk) 12:02, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
The Twitter feed is indeed a separate issue. If two tweets have been sent, this is either a coding issue or a setting that can be fixed. If a Twitter user did come across the deleted page, they can see where it has been moved to and I don’t think they would struggle to find the article. --Green Giant (talk) 12:02, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

a broken link will look more sloppy than the spelling variant. It is not a coding issue -- when a page is added to CAT:Published and sighted, a tweet goes out. That is how it is supposed to be. The liberty to use any English variant is so one is not forced to stick to either one going against their preference. Wikinews is not US-only news, we are for global audience. That is why the SG is purposely loose, not to force non-US volunteers having to use the other variant, as that may discourage them from writing about it. Consider this: if we had to stick with English (US) for US articles, and a reviewer simply refuses to review it because they don't find English (US) sensible -- the project will suffer. And news sites for global audience don't abandon their variant. Both BBC and The Guardian stick with English (UK) spelling for US articles, while ABC (US) used English (US) for a UK article. If someone thinks we are sloppy for using one spelling over the other, they are just ignorant people, and we should not let our editorial process be governed by people who can't grasp we write for global audience.
•–• 13:55, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

I had to discuss...

Hi, Green Giant. I had to discuss something about few of my articles. It would be better if we had a real-time discussion on IRC. But if not, email-based is also fine. So could you please come by on IRC? Or should I send an email instead? (It is time sensitive.)
•–• 07:14, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

@Acagastya: It depends on when you want to discuss it. If right now, I’m on a coffee break at work and can’t chat. I’ll probably finish at 17:30 UTC. What time would suit you? -Green Giant (talk) 07:30, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
1730 UTC seems all right, Green Giant. That is 11 PM my time, and I should be available on IRC on the usual wikinews and commons' channel. Please ping me once you are online.
•–• 07:32, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Sorry but I have been delayed in the office. I’ve just got home and need to sleep. I have a late shift tomorrow so I’ll be on IRC tomorrow evening about 20:00 UTC. -Green Giant (talk) 21:26, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
I had figured you might have gotten preoccupied with something else. I can't assure about 2000 UTC. I may or may not be sleeping that time, it is 1:30 for me. But guess we will have to try. If I am going to sleep, I would most likely inform ImprWikiImpr, so you don't end up losing time.
•–• 03:20, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

how about now, Green Giant? If it is not too late? (talk) 02:54, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

It’s 4am here and I should sleep because work starts at 9am. Will you be online at 14:00 UTC? I’m going to be working from home and my last meeting finishes at 13:30 UTC. --Green Giant (talk) 02:57, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
sure, 1400 is all right for me. Also, thanks for cleaning up the mess while I was afk. (talk) 03:02, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Today, perhaps?
•–• 07:22, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
Yes, definitely today. In about four hours, I’ll be free. -Green Giant (talk) 07:25, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Wikinews interviews Democratic candidate for the Texas 6th congressional district special election Daryl Eddings, Sr's campaign manager

Could you please sight User:Acagastya and my edits? Thanks Face-smile.svg --JJLiu112 (talk) 17:34, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

That would not be needed -- since I can sight these non-substantial changes I have made. But I cannot sight if I were to add an image.
•–• 17:41, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Irish Finance Minister Donohoe criticises OECD for global minimum corporate tax rate

Hi, Green Giant. It is highly unlikely I can review this on time. Any chance you could review it? It was my fault not getting to it sooner, but if you can have a shot at it, that would be great!
•–• 18:05, 23 April 2021 (UTC)


Hi, Green Giant. This article which I am reviewing uses this image. It is extremely small in resolution and lacks EXIF. I am agnostic to whether it is actually an own work or not -- it is the only upload of the person. What do you suggest we do? Right now I think I will publish it without it -- but better to get a second opinion.
•–• 17:11, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Also thanks for commons=no. Somehow I just could not recall. Thanks for that, Green Giant. (talk) 19:48, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
@Acagastya: I think the photo should be removed from the article. I’ve looked at the uploader’s other files on English Wikipedia and I’m not convinced they understand copyright or licensing. I have nominated this particular file for deletion on Commons. --Green Giant (talk) 20:25, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, Green Giant.
•–• 03:54, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

FA status

I promoted the Neaderthals article to Featured Article, but since it was archived, I need someone to sight the pending change. Could you do that, please?--Bddpaux (talk) 15:29, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

The reviewer+admin who is promoting is allowed to sight, but thank you both! Brings back old memories of the last year, when things were nice and good. :)
•–• 16:07, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
@Bddpaux: Done as requested. @Acagastya: The future is an unwritten book. It can be nice and good again. I just wish I had more time. -Green Giant (talk) 16:10, 16 June 2021 (UTC)


Could you (or someone, for that matter) explain to me (like I'm a German Shepherd) how sighting revisions works? My brain just struggles with the whole business. Are ONLY changes of archived material required to be 'sighted'....what is the whole business about, really?--Bddpaux (talk) 17:22, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

For the mainspace articles, please do NOT sight any revision for unpublished article -- and only sight those edits where you have verified the changes are correct, and in accordance with the policy. That would be the simplest (though incomplete) explanation.
•–• 17:24, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
Right....but I'm talking about PUBLISHED articles. --Bddpaux (talk) 18:28, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
@Bddpaux: verify if the changes are backed by the sources, stylistically okay, and follows archival policy. Only then you must sight. (talk) 18:40, 18 June 2021 (UTC)


For putting sd tag. Durantnba (talk) 18:10, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

@Durantnba: Don’t be sorry. Your use of the SD tag is correct because you have given otherwise legitimate reasons. On almost any other wiki the pages probably might have been deleted. However, all admins have some discretion when it comes to speedy deletion. Our thought process on EN WN is to give a chance even to pages that look hopeless. I’d recommend you look at the {{Aband}} and {{Minimal}} tags as these give a space of two to three days, which allows people to work on the article. If they don’t, the article can be deleted later. Cheers for leaving the message though. 🙂 --Green Giant (talk) 18:17, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Need to ask something

Hey, Green Giant. I had to discuss something with you, re enwn. Can you join IRC (mind you, it is, not freenode), or is it better to send an email instead?
•–• 10:34, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@Acagastya: Hi. I haven’t signed up to Libera yet. I’m at work at the moment. I’ll finish about 18:00-19:00 UTC today. If you’re on after that, I’ll join you on irc. --Green Giant (talk) 11:37, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
Sure. We have the same #wikinews and #wikinews-en and my nick is acagastya.
•–• 12:23, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
@Acagastya: Sorry but you know how much I dislike IRC. I can’t get the hang of Libera. It keeps giving me error messages. Please send me an email instead. -19:11, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Sure. I will send in some time. However, what was the error and which client were you using? Maybe I could help?
•–• 02:19, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Now that I am drafting it -- I think it feels a real-time communication would be better. Any chance you can use <>? Click add network, in the drop-down menu, select Libera.Chat, set nickname as green_giant_temp and connect to network? If you then type "/j #wikinews" you will be in the channel.
•–• 03:49, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
Any idea where should we open the voting request, GG?
•–• 05:30, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
Hey, did you get a chance to go through the grants page yet? Can we copyedit and submit the proposal tomorrow?
•–• 15:13, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
@Acagastya: Yes, I’ve read both Rapid and Project pages. We can go through it tomorrow as I have only one scheduled meeting. I should be fairly free after 12:00 UTC, although I might be able to look at the proposal earlier. Might being the operative word. --Green Giant (talk) 16:27, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

if you are free to review it now, could you please come by on IRC?
•–• 14:05, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

The draft is here.
•–• 15:00, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Can we talk later tonight on IRC?
•–• 15:06, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
@Acagastya: I should be free from about 18:00 UTC but it depends on how quickly I can get out of the office. I’ll let you know if I’m going to be late. --Green Giant (talk) 15:08, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
I am about to go to sleep now; way past my bedtime. Perhaps tomorrow morning or afternoon, your time? I would assume it is slightly urgent. (talk) 19:26, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Would you be able to do something about this spam?

Seems like a range block would be nice -- but I don't know how to get through the bureaucracy of CU. Any help will be appreciated -- they have been spamming enough times to throttle the filters thrice.
•–• 09:54, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

There seems to be a rise in filter triggering. Can you please CU at loginwiki? activity.
•–• 14:32, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
@Acagastya: I’ve locked all of those accounts and a number of linked ones. However, there does not appear to be any range larger than about /24 to be blocked. --Green Giant (talk) 20:56, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Sight request

Green Giant, can you please sight this?
•–• 12:22, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Done. -Green Giant (talk) 13:37, 15 July 2021 (UTC)