User talk:MrJones~enwikinews

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Welcome[edit]

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Copy chat.[edit]

[Chat transcript removed]

Posting of transcripts is in violation of Freenode policy, with out getting the permission of all involved. See this page (at the end of the page). --Cspurrier 17:21, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

OK. Do you give your permission? I give mine.
<Wikinewsie506> Is CGorman here?
<Wikinewsie506> Why was the article I modified on WN:WS removed?
<Wikinewsie506> http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ASubmitted_stories&diff=0&oldid=69720
<Wikinewsie506> How is that a copyvio? It's quoting parts of the article, that's all.
<Wikinewsie506> The last paragraph?
<Wikinewsie506> So why didn't you just remove that para?
<Wikinewsie506> It did not leave it with just quotes.
<Wikinewsie506> There was analysis of the assertions made by the WT.
<Wikinewsie506> Actually, thinking about it, it was just reporting with sources on what happened.
<Wikinewsie506> Hello?
<Wikinewsie506> OIC.
<Wikinewsie506> Sorry, I have to go. Please reply on my talk page. Thanks.

Editing comments[edit]

Second thing, editing people’s signed comments is considered very rude and borderline vandalism. When replying please create a new reply and not edit between mine.

It may be considered rude (by you, at least), but unless I change the meaning of what you've written and make clear which parts I've written, it is valid. All it does, when done appropriately, is facilitate clearer, more clearly delineated discussion.

Washington Times reports that Amnesty International Leadership Donated Four Thousand Dollars To Kerry[edit]

Why was it removed[edit]

The problems with this story is,

  1. The last paragraph is a copy vio.
    So remove it. It can then be rewriten (by you?).
  2. We can not use large quotes like that unless the text is PD or we have permission.
    Yes we can. It's called fair use. Please indicate discussion that states what you suggest.
  3. what is left after this is POV.
    If it's POV, then remove the POV. Don't just delete it. That's a well established principle of these wikis. Regardless, as far as I can see, it's not POV.

If you want to try and turn it into a good story you can, however I do not belive it can be done.

Are there any other reasons you think this?

Now about the story, copyvios are always taken care of by removing the full story, since you never know what else the author might have copied. --Cspurrier 20:16, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

That is fair enough. Mr. Jones 19:56, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Where is the length of quotes specified?[edit]

I understand fair use, but I believe the quotes are too big to qualify. --Cspurrier 20:16, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

We'd have to check that. I'd imagine there is discussion on WP. It would be good to clarify this for WN.

Regardless, Wikinews does not use quotes this big in our stories when a shorter quote would work. --Cspurrier 20:16, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Could you indicate where this policy has been discussed and decided upon? Mr. Jones 19:56, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Our style guide I think --Cspurrier 20:16, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Nope, no mention at WN:SG Mr. Jones 20:30, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Finally I do not believe this story is newsworthy, it was not when the Washington Times published it, and it still is not. --Cspurrier 19:39, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree with you, except that the way that the story was distorted by the WT is newsworthy. The other version is more to do with the events that are occuring, however.
Mr. Jones 19:56, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Using IRC[edit]

If you have time an are online now, it will be quicker to talk about this on IRC --Cspurrier 19:11, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

No thank you, I'd like to retain the transcript. Mr. Jones 19:17, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ok. About logging on the IRC channel, Most people my self included do not have a problem with people posting transcripts of the IRC, if it has a purpose and permission is asked before posting it. Since I fail to see the purpose of posting it here I will not grant permission. Since IRC is designed to be an impermanent media and as such many of us will say things we do not plan on having permanently posted some where. --Cspurrier 20:03, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Why are you worried by there being a public record of what you have said? Mr. Jones 19:56, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Mostly because my spelling and grammar were not up to the quality I am a happy with, but also because it does not serve a purpose. --Cspurrier 20:03, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I don't think that's a very good reason. It serves the purpose of making our discussion, and thus the operation of the wiki, transparent and open to scrutiny. It is one of the bases of good democratic (in the broad sense) process. Mr. Jones 20:08, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
If you want something that can be kept you use talk pages, if you want a quick answer, you use IRC. --Cspurrier 20:12, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
So it seems. A notice indicating this would be good. I'll stick a comment somewhere (to the north, south, east or west somewhat) at some point that a notice should be added. Mr. Jones 20:26, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Gratitude[edit]

BTW, CS, I do appreciate your input, and I hope you are keen to make something of wikinews. I'm inclined to be a bit abrasive, but I don't mean anything by it. Wikinews is still developing, and if it's to be any good always will be being challenged in the way it works. Those challenges need to be given real consideration, and areas for their discussion are required. For instance, the "policy" of short quotes. Again, do you know where this has been discussed? If not, how are you so sure of it? Mr. Jones 20:26, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I can not find the policy page I read it on, sorry. --Cspurrier 20:41, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Then, in effect, there is no such policy. Mr. Jones 14:02, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Is CGorman around?[edit]

Yes im here! Whats up? → CGorman (Talk) 20:17, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I was wondering about the removal of the article I modified (http://en.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ASubmitted_stories&diff=0&oldid=69720). Mr Spurrier has answered some of my questions. Mr. Jones 20:26, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Right; I probably should stay out of this, I cannot really comment. → CGorman (Talk) 20:46, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Your account will be renamed[edit]

Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called MrJones. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name MrJones~enwikinews that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours,
Keegan Peterzell
Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation

23:22, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed[edit]

This account has been renamed as part of single-user login finalisation. If you own this account you can log in using your previous username and password for more information. If you do not like this account's new name, you can choose your own using this form after logging in: Special:GlobalRenameRequest. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk)

06:34, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

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