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style issues-what is the article about?[edit]

What would happen if the Arctic completely melted? Tried to add into the article that with less and less arctic ice, walking to the north pole will be impossible without arctic ice.... and this year the expeditions will have to walk and swim to get to the north pole which is very interesting, how do they move their cargo, especially the trek which is trying to go to the North POle for the first time without outside help. And there are still expeditions going on, and it is interesting that it is the centennial year since Peary went, and that it has to be now, this time of year, when the arctic ice sheet is largest.-SriMesh | talk 04:23, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps now the first two paragraphs should be switched around.SriMesh | talk 06:27, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
re wrote the article totally after re reading wikinews style guide as per tag. SriMesh | talk 15:46, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
I moved around the text a bit, so that the more recent events are at the beginning of the article, and the history is at the bottom: generally, in a news article, the more recent event should be listed first. Tempo di Valse ♪ 15:55, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
I read about the ice thickness expedition a few weeks back on the BBC site, there isn't the real clarity about how many expeditions they are, and their individual objectives. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:16, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Mr Hadow, is leading the Catlin Arctic Survey group for ice thickness. There are three names associated with this venture..Pen Hadow, Martin Hartley and Ann Daniels if that helps you. Google only brings up this 2009 expedition for ice thickness expeditions etc. SriMesh | talk 03:59, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Tried focus the article on the uniqueness of artic exploration in an age of global warming, shrinking ice, wherin some of the time of the expedition is spent in the frigid rolling waters towing 150 pound + sledges depending on the expedition. (The loaded sledges must float I guess they dont say in the article/s how the food crosses the Arctic Ocean water. They don't say how they keep their winter parkas and clothing dry to resume walking after the swim with their dry suits on. I live in -40 below weather {our SK low extremes are -57° C /-70.6 °F}, I cannot imagine changing from my dry suit into my warm winter woolies on the icy shore after swimming amongst the ice floes. or vicy versa. It is one thing to cuddle into furs and hike and mush dogs to the north pole like Peary did, it is quite another to walk with no dogs and to include a dip in the Arctic Ocean with supplies in tow in the ordeal...but how to say this all in a news article!?!?!) In the news article I chose some varied expeditions ongoing currently for the new news quality of the article...perhaps if this article succeeds, individual articles could follow up if series are ever done and or created for wikinews. For example.....There are still many reasons for persons wanting to endure the 3 month long freezing marathon, Science --Catlin Arctic Survey ; Claim for being the first at something --"Victorinox North Pole 09 - The First American Unsupported Ski Expedition to the North Pole and in honour of an event/person --Peary Centennial Expedition. All of these will not be possible when the arctic ice is gone and the next adventure is who will be the first person to swim to the North Pole. It will be interesting to see if these ventures will succeed as historically since Peary's expedition 100 years ago, all expeditions to the North Pole would say that they are more dangerous than climbing mountains... SriMesh | talk 04:04, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
DANGERS: of combining swimming and trekking to the North Pole....Flesh / skin / people freeze at At a wind-chill level of 2400, exposed flesh freezes in one minute. Frostbite increases with wet damp clothing or touching freezing surfaces. Hypothermia from exertion, lowering of body temperature ie in cold water. Immersion foot another danger with wet footwear. Or for frost bite see this chart at .. www.survivaltopics.com/survival/the-wind-chill-factor/ .. flesh freezes occurs in 5 minutes at a Farenheit temp of -45 and wind speed mph of 15.SriMesh | talk 05:48, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
New introduction/s or lead/s...to bring together all paragraphs??? and lend focus to the article.
  • Victorinox North Pole '09 Expedition, Peary Centennial Expedition, and Catlin Arctic Survey swimmers haul heavy loaded sledges across stretches of the frigid Arctic Ocean to the North Pole undertaken during the arctic winter when there is maximum arctic ice extent.

...uses one long sentence tries to cover all the who what where whens

  • North Pole adventurers swim across stretches of the Arctic Ocean. They haul heavy loaded sleds on the three month long trek across ice, through deep snow drifts and across the frigid water. Member of current expeditions, the Victorinox North Pole '09 Expedition, Peary Centennial Expedition, and Catlin Arctic Survey brave flesh freezing in five minutes, dangers of frost bite, hypothermia, and immersion foot during the cold arctic winter months when there is maximum arctic ice extent.

...This last one would need above citations about windchill etc uses short sentences.

  • Life threatening dangers face Victorinox North Pole '09 Expedition, Peary Centennial Expedition, and Catlin Arctic Survey teams who swim across stretches of the Arctic Ocean hauling loaded sleds which have a hope of success during the cold arctic winter months when there is maximum arctic ice extent.
  • The Victorinox North Pole '09 Expedition, Peary Centennial Expedition, and Catlin Arctic Survey teams hope life threatening swims in the Arctic Ocean hauling loaded sleds are minimized during the cold arctic winter months when there is maximum arctic ice extent.

...that one has a lot of ing verbs... :-<

  • North Pole expedition teams swim across stretches of the Arctic Ocean with heavy loaded sleds on a three month long trek at the height of the winter season when there is maximum arctic ice extent.

SriMesh | talk 06:19, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


Temperature[edit]

-55 degrees -- Fahrenheit or Celsius? --Killing Vector (talk) 21:12, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

The answer is BOTH :-) SriMesh | talk 04:23, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Original citaton does not state which one, so I did not state either. I could remove, if it is not accurate enough. They are definitely not the same plugging the values into an online conversion calculator...-55 ºC = -67 ºF and -55 ºF = -48.33 ºC However We here at home both remember schol wherein the temperatures in Celsius and Farenheit are the same after and beyond -40... I cannot find a good goole source for this though...I found this one. same temp So I think the calculators just do the math without stating that fact. :-) SriMesh | talk 04:23, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
This different website about North Pole weather states that it won't be warmer than -23ºF (30.55° Celsius) in March...North Pole weatherSriMesh | talk 03:56, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Note: temps are only the same at -40. temps colder than -40 are different. (conversion is celcius temp*1.8 + 32 . (-40)*1.8+32 = -40 so those two temps are the same) - bawolff 06:42, 8 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.65.82.136 (talk)
Ahhh so should the -55 be kept or not from Original citaton ?SriMesh | talk 07:16, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
The source is the Antrim Times, I think with that and the co.uk domain it is safe to assume they mean -55 centigrade. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:12, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Series[edit]

Will be making a series related to items in this article.SriMesh | talk 04:50, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Review[edit]

I've saved this article and its talk page for you at User:SriMesh/Expeditions_swim_to_the_North_Pole. Once this becomes news (in a few days or weeks I'd imagine) you should rename this article back to its current name, "Expeditions swim to the North Pole", except with a different spin, since the event will be in progress then. So something like "Expeditions swimming the North Pole". You won't have to move the talk page, just the article. If you move the article the talk page will move automatically to the new location. Gopher65talk 14:24, 10 March 2009 (UTC)