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The people who are protesting that torch are heroes to the cause of freedom. China's human rights record, and their suppression of information are unacceptable to the 21st century citizen. I think its interesting to see how the Beijing Organizing Committee's statements sound just like the Co$ talking about anonymous. Rekov - (talk) 01:00, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, one's hero is another's (agreeably my) demon. You would find your causes disgusting in the eyes of most Chinese people, including the protesters today in SF (and for good reasons). Have you ever seen the photo with a pro-Tibet "protester" attacking a disabled woman? In short, this "cause of freedom" is far from settled among the world opinions. Btmachine333667 - (talk) 01:52, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
There is a right and a wrong way to protest. Many of my causes have been blackened by people who resorted to violent or illegal means to achieve the end objective. I hope you realize that just because some people choose to act irrationally that this has no reflection on the moral quality of the protest.Rekov - (talk) 15:20, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Everyone who talks about human rights, open your eyes and look at this "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Parisprotests-olympictorch.jpg" .Is this what you call human rights? Please use your brain do not be as stupid as French in Paris OK? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.25.32.210 (talk) 05:40, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I see no problem with the methods used by the protesters. The Chinese government killed thousands of 'criminals' (people who haven't been brainwashed by the chinese government) every year. If a flame on a torch goes out and the lives of the one billion (the population of china) are improved that is a positive changed. I don't care what happens to a little flame. I do care about the lives of one billion people. You say please use your brain. That is what I am doing. I used my brain to figure at that one billion lives are more important then a torch which represents an event which causes hatred between nationalities. Sorry but you are the one who needs to open your eyes. You are the one who does not see the suffering of one billion people. In addition to this you are claiming that the French are stupid. I know many french people and I find that comment to be offensive and inappropriate.--A101 - (talk) 15:23, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

And you are so caught up in your zeal to defame China any way you can and encourage the separatists acting illegally and promoting ethnic violence-thosewho are themselves behind the majority of the actual oppression occurring in the region of Tibet-you ignore the detail of that woman being attacked. 72.146.182.184 18:20, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I cannot believe the emphasis that the pro-Chinese/anti-Tibetan are putting on that one incident (the woman in a wheelchair being struck). How does this compare to decades of repression? How does any violence that may have occurred in a few weeks of protest within Tibet begin to compare to the treatment the Tibetans have endured by the Chinese? People must take action against the repression, and some of this action and frustration is being expressed perhaps too strongly, but I'm pleased at the global attention it's finally getting. Wikidsoup - (talk) 22:06, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Different woman there, but you are making my case for me. These protesters supposedly advocating certain principals do not wish to conduct themselves according to them, and instead make endless excuses for their own violations. They want China to kneel down while they stand over. The region of Tibet is a part of China, and China as a whole is being attacked by those foreign powers. That is the real story here. 72.146.182.184 22:24, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

One note[edit]

Um... what about Africa anyone? - w:User:Ian Lee 16:49, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

What about it Wikidsoup - (talk) 18:10, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

use violence to protest violence and our actions are always justified.excuse me , are you communist? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.25.32.210 (talk) 02:31, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Just because I think a low degree of violence can be successful in combating a mass murderer does not mean I am a communist. Now you are deciding my political orientations, this is after deciding that the French are stupid. Can you please stop guessing what people’s lives are like. I am not a communist, I do not support any government initiated violence or force and I do not have an issue with a small amount of violence or force being used to combat a large amount of government initiated violence or force. You are the one supporting the actions of a communist government, not me. (I am not saying you are a communist, I am just pointing out that I oppose the actions of a communist government) A101 - (talk)

The editor seems ignored the supporters of Olympic torch against the pro-tibets. Thousands of Chinese gathered around the torch to protect it from being grabed by any mob. They are neither discribed in the news or shown on the pictures. While a Chinese exceptant's speech is added in the news. Does this Wiki editor follows the the objectivity in this way? —221.223.72.170 03:24, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Olympic Spirit[edit]

I think it is very unfortunate that the Olympic Games are being used for a partisan political agenda. This fostering of discord is out of place with the objectives of the Olympic Games as expressed in the Olympic Symbols. Surely there is a right to freedom for people to express their opinions of political issues and governmental policies of all nations. But to do so in a way that threatens to derail international and inter cultural dialog on the personal level of the participating athletes and even to jeopardize the years of training that have been invested, is no longer a valid use of protest.

Ken Betts --212.35.89.55 07:13, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

The olympics is only a sport event. no none will die if it is cancelled. The lives of thousands of Tibetans will be ruined by the Chinese government. If lives are saved, I don’t care if a sport event is cancelled. A101 - (talk) 07:19, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

So what in your mind connects people killing each other over ethnic divisions in the region of Tibet to the olympic games? I ask as you seen ardent, but present only vague arguments under a manufactured line of "no olympics saves lives" or something equally illogical. I'd wager you think feudal times were better since the lazy monks screwed over all the serfs, and since deposed have claimed a fake utopian community. Let me be blunt, it wasn't. Amputations for simple offenses, and that is the government that supposedly represents modern civilization? YOu are ignorant and at best misguided. At worst, you hate Tibet and hide it under nationalist sympathies. 72.146.182.184 08:26, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

The olympics are hosted in China. They are making money for China. The money will go to the government. The government will use the money to kill people. In addition the these protests promote an important cause.A101 - (talk) 08:29, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

OUR CHINESE WILL UNITE TO FIGHT THE WEST FROM ON 。[edit]

THE WESTERN,I AM AN COMMON CHINESE ,I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU AND YOUR MEDIEA AFTER THE REPORT TIBET AFFFAIR AND PASSING OF OLINPICLE FIRE 。 OUR CHINESE WILL UNITE TO FIGHT THE WEST FROM ON。 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.15.138.106 (talk) 14:52, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I think a more global (and less state-controlled) look at this situation may help you. It is important for all people living in China to realize that no information is allowed to reach the average citizen without some form of government slant/censorship/falsification. No one is attacking the citizens of China: the protests are directed toward the Chinese government's totalitarian nature, and its treatment of the people over which it has (whether with or without their consent) dominion. What you must understand is that your human rights are at stake here - please try to learn more about this situation from sources other than the Chinese media. Wikinews and its sister projects are excellent places to start. --Wolf m corcoran - (talk) 18:50, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Just as you think of us, I think you have been brainwashed by the western medium who want to defame Chinese and Chinese government using the human right as an excuse (of course, I admit that it is still necessary to improve the human right and democracy in all the countries including China, but not by the way you western guys show us. What about Irap? The nominal democracy the United States bring to this country is just more and more death and a general retrogression).

Have you been to Tibet(actually I prefer its Chinese name Xizang)? Have you talked to anyone living in Xizang now? I think you should see what's happening in China including Xizang by yourself rather than just give your imprudent judgement based on the stories from the western medium (you can find how the western medium including CNN and BCC truncated the picture and video to support their bias at www.anti-cnn.com). You should also talk to large amount of people from China and now living in US rather than just hear the voice from a handful of separatists. Maybe you think most of the people from China are brainwashed. But it's impossible to brainwash all the people especially who have received advanced education. You can find lots of elite who graduate from the universities in China around 1990s and then received graduate education in US, now playing a big role in the scientific communities in United States such as Peidong Yang in UC Berkeley and Xiaowei Zhuang in Harvard. They are all proud of being Chinese and appreciate their education in China. From this link http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/08/AR2008040802907_pf.html, maybe you can find some more neutral ideas about what is China now.

CNN & BBS, hereby, i tell u,both of u, tibet was,is and be part of china,it can never be seperated from my country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.21.35.13 (talk) 05:15, 17 April 2008 (UTC)