File talk:Fariba-iran-evin1.jpg

This image cannot be used if it is a copy right violation. It was deleted at the Commons as a copy right violation so that it's use was never "free". The Fair use template says: "This template must be accompanied by a source, information on the copyright owner, and a fair-use rationale for every use, as described in our policies regarding non-free media. Media which does not contain this information may be deleted." Please provide that information. Keeping something "historic" is not an exemption from the Wikinews:Fair use policy. Thanks, Mattisse (talk) 23:54, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Ask yourself: "if the story was current, would this image be permissible?" If it is, then the policy can be applied retroactively. If not, {{delete|fairuse}}. — μ 23:58, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Well, it clearly is not permissible now. But here we have a newbie (me) and and entrenched admin (or whatever he is) so policy won't be followed. In fact, I am getting into trouble by simply noticing this. I will watch and see what happens. I have no powers to delete and the editor who originally instructed me to provide the Fair use rationale seems be hostile to me, IMHO. See Talk:French teacher returns home after being held in Iran for ten months. I don't understand why he thinks it is up to me to provide the Fair use rationale, but he seems to think it is my problem. Mattisse (talk) 00:54, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) P.S. See the editor's response to me: Quoting my previous edit summary, "how stupid", you are just making things harder. Read this carefully, okay? The image was deleted on Commons because it was a copyright violation. You asked for the image to be removed, that can't be done AFAIK, so I proposed to request the image to be restored at Commons momentarily in order to transfer it to here, where YOU would add a fair use rationale, since the picture is not free, and subsequently needs a fair use rationale. Everything that follows what I said, is completely moot and stupid. This type of response might be why newbies don't feel like sticking around wikinews. I didn't ask for the image to be removed. Rather, I noted on the article talk page that the image was now a red link. The response of the editor was to upload an image today to wikinews to replace the one deleted on the Commons. I inquired if uploading an image to replace the one that was deleted from the Commons to wikinews without a Fair use rationale was correct procedure at wikinews. I really wanted to know. And now I would like to know if there are rules to be followed here at wikinews, and if so, which ones are they? Mattisse (talk) 01:19, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Clearly not, since you never added the rationale, I did. The picture is exactly the same that used to be in the article, and I don't see what is the problem here, it was uploaded under the fair use doctrine (or whatever the word is), and it complies with the terms imposed by policy. Diego Grez ^{return fire} 00:56, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Well, we will see if wikinews has any standards, per what μ said above. Mattisse (talk) 01:22, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Questions

• If the image was falsely uploaded to Commons as "own work", then it may per their policies be a copyright violation as non-free.
• If the image is to be used here, under fair use, then the questions to be resolved are utterly different from those applied on Commons.
  1. Is the image from a competeing news agency? (If no, then there's likely every probability it can be use and Fair Use asserted.)
  2. Can a link to the original location of the image be found? If so, this would allow a more reasonable assessment of this case.

I would also note that the language in the above section is most unhelpfully antagonistic. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 12:58, 4 April 2011 (UTC)