Talk:Anarchists clash with police during students' rallies in Athens

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I support neither the police nor the anarchists. The neutrality of the article is obvious. But the damages are damages and the violence is violence. We must say the truth. Zorba 20:59, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is Zorba[1], because if it isn't, I think the grammer was better the first time with either if don't is preceeding it. "I support neither the police nor the anarchists" would proably be slightly better, but who really cares, just wondering because it was someone else who edited the comment besides the original person. (Don't quote me on this. I'm not the greates at grammer, but that was my impression. If you want to know something for sure try user:Karen) Bawolff ☺☻ 22:43, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, i think that, both expressions are right in their grammar. However, i changed it because it just looks better....thx anyway. Zorba 23:04, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Work on POV?[edit]

I must admit I agree with Zorba - there doesn't appear to be any POV in this article. Can the person who keeps changing it back to develop please state some concerns rather than just changing the flags? R2b2 00:01, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think its a bit biased against the students, but its not tooo bad. And the point is your supposed to *fix* the bias, not just be an ass by moving it back to develop. Nyarlathotep 08:38, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, never mind, after reading the sources its hopelessly biased aginst the students and explicitly tries to paint the whole demonstration in terms of the worst part. I'll rewrite something & move back to develop. Nyarlathotep 08:47, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

okay, I'm not moving it back to develop as I did an almost total rewrite. Almost every sentence contained serious bias and anybody who didn't see that ought to be ashamed of themselves. But as I said before, your not supposed to filibuster articles. If its biased, rewrite it. Nyarlathotep 08:56, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you think that those changes were indispensable, it's good that you made them. Thanks for your contribution! However, i fully disagree with you that there were bias against the students. The article was, from it's start, absolutely neutral. Zorba 09:15, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Should i guess that we must "delete" the sentence which says about the extended damages that demonstrators caused in private properties? Is the fact that hundreds of vehicles and kiosks went on fire due to molotovs, a sample of bias? Anyway..:). Zorba 09:20, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, nothing wrong with mentioning it, I just lost it cuz the thing needed such a gross rewrite. I'll put it back. Nyarlathotep 09:22, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
okay, its back next to the police stuff which I "think" is correct. Nyarlathotep 09:25, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

another view on the events described in this article by some students who were there[edit]

About the state barbarism against the student movement.[edit]

Announcement of the students of the Antiauthoritarian Movement about the mobilisation of the 27th of July against the Education Ministers Summit in Athens.


On Tuesday 27th of July students from all over Greece gathered in Athens so as to demonstrate their will and anxieties against all those who decide for us without us.

The traditional hatred of the police against the youth, as in past it was the hatred of the army against the youth, was expressed by the use of excessive brutality against the students yesterday. A “representative” of the cops, who appears in a series of TV channels, is repeatedly lying by claiming that from inside the student march there was a gunshot from a revolver against the riot police. By such kind of provocateur lies the praetorian is threatening for a dead student in the near future.

On the 27th, even without a single property destruction action, the excessive police violence and the generalised use of chemicals had to be faced by creating a couple of flamed barricades so as to protect the thousands of students who were trapped and couldn’t breathe inside the Law Department.

The antiauthoritarian part of the students played a catalytic role both in the safeguarding of the march that was not broken apart from the continuous assaults of the police, and in protecting the University Asylum by repelling the riot squads who breached the asylum in Propylaia.

The target of the government and Mr. Polidoras (Minister of Public Order) is the student movement. That’s why they launch propaganda against it by rediscovering “finger theories”, theories of abettors and manipulators, by naming as such the anarchists and antiauthoritarians. So they attempt to present us as if we are some kind of hidden chthonic power who lurks in the shadows. Such practices remind past “dark years”.

The truth is that we do not hide but we act and speak openly, as we move in society and with society. We are the antiauthoritarian component of the student movement, being ourselves students who participate openly and continuously in all procedures of the student community, both in the amphitheatres and in the streets.

As part of the student movement we cannot do otherwise but to be on the front line, both when this movement is in confrontation and when it decides other kind of activity. Mr. Polidoras and the TV channels are lying. The first is feeding the second and vice versa, the first for authority the second for the spectacle.

The only manipulating finger who is driving the reaction of the students are those who butcher their few and last vested rights. The struggle of the students is going to continue and is going to be victorious.

Greece, 28/06/2006 Students from the Antiauthoritarian Movement [2]

PS: We are almost certain that the MAT (riot police) are in a process of acting independently, and this is proven by the big hatred and brutality during the student mobilisations. They had entrapped in the Law Department thousands of students, they have beaten especially female students and journalists who were photographing the brutality, they have thrown inside the building chemicals (not just CS but other kinds like mustard and neural gases), there were many unconscious and injured students and only by accident and because of the barricades there was not someone killed! We are certain that they lust for blood. We call the people and the students the next time to be more organised and more aggressive. THEY SHALL NOT PASS!