Talk:Controversial development training cited in religious discrimination lawsuits
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[edit]Refers to primary source United States federal court documents and primary source investigations by the United States Department of Labor. Cirt (talk) 12:25, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
- Some of the pages of the primary source court documents can be viewed here. Cirt (talk) 12:33, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
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[edit]Written/marked as {{ready}} by Cirt (talk), reviewed/marked as {{publish}} by Brianmc (talk · contribs). Cirt (talk) 15:54, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
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Article violates fundamental policies of what is appropriate for Wikinews
[edit]The article clearly violates the Wikinews Content Guide, which reads "News stories focus on a single current event or phenomenon." Instead, this story writes about a number of events over the years, and does so in a way which is clearly not neutral point of view. Many of these events have nothing to even do with the topic of the article. I have removed everything which is outside of the current event, which is the lawsuit against Stuart Miller. Nothing else in this article happened in 2008. Goldenmonkey (talk) 17:38, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
- All events described are highly sourced, and do have to do with issues related to workers' rights and labor issues related to the company in question. This material was published in this article as of May 23. Please do not make large removal of content or major content change edits at this time. Cirt (talk) 17:40, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
- The current event that is the only thing the article could be about is a sexual harassment and religious discrimination lawsuit. Landmark Education is not a party to the lawsuit. The suit is against Stuart Miller. The 'labor issues' you cite appear to be from a resolved investigation of several years prior that have nothing whatsoever to do with the lawsuit of Glasgow against Miller. Goldenmonkey (talk) 18:14, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
- There are not one but two ongoing lawsuits involving this company, both of which deal directly with religious discrimination. There is also a third that also dealt directly with workers rights issues and religious discrimination. Then there are multiple investigations into the company by not one but two different sovereign nations' federal labor departments. I fail to see how that is not highly relevant. Cirt (talk) 18:16, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
- I don't quite understand the third lawsuit you cite--It was from 1988, apparently, and Landmark Education was formed in 1991. The current news story is not about labor practices of Landmark Education--Landmark Educatin never hired anyone involved in the current story. It's about an individual's lawsuit against another individual. Goldenmonkey (talk) 18:20, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
- The third lawsuit involved religious discrimination issues and workers rights issues related to the course "The Forum". These two ongoing lawsuits involve the course "Landmark Forum". Different name of the company and slightly different name of the course, but highly relevant. The labor rights issues are related to lawsuits dealing with workers rights and claimed civil rights violations related to the company that delivers said courses. Cirt (talk) 18:23, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
- In the third suit, it's from a different company, and it's from 20 years ago. As for the labor rights issue--It's just not there. Landmark Education is not being sued, and its labor practices are not a subject of the lawsuit. Stuart Miller is being sued. And then there's even more in the article that has no connection to the article's topic whatsoever. Goldenmonkey (talk) 18:30, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
- The third lawsuit involved religious discrimination issues and workers rights issues related to the course "The Forum". These two ongoing lawsuits involve the course "Landmark Forum". Different name of the company and slightly different name of the course, but highly relevant. The labor rights issues are related to lawsuits dealing with workers rights and claimed civil rights violations related to the company that delivers said courses. Cirt (talk) 18:23, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
- I don't quite understand the third lawsuit you cite--It was from 1988, apparently, and Landmark Education was formed in 1991. The current news story is not about labor practices of Landmark Education--Landmark Educatin never hired anyone involved in the current story. It's about an individual's lawsuit against another individual. Goldenmonkey (talk) 18:20, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
- There are not one but two ongoing lawsuits involving this company, both of which deal directly with religious discrimination. There is also a third that also dealt directly with workers rights issues and religious discrimination. Then there are multiple investigations into the company by not one but two different sovereign nations' federal labor departments. I fail to see how that is not highly relevant. Cirt (talk) 18:16, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
- The current event that is the only thing the article could be about is a sexual harassment and religious discrimination lawsuit. Landmark Education is not a party to the lawsuit. The suit is against Stuart Miller. The 'labor issues' you cite appear to be from a resolved investigation of several years prior that have nothing whatsoever to do with the lawsuit of Glasgow against Miller. Goldenmonkey (talk) 18:14, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
You have obviously not read my most recent comment about the close similarity to the situations discussed ("Forum" and "Landmark Forum") as related to the civil rights, labor issues, and religious discrimination issues. This discussion is beginning to go in circles and starting to seem pointless, I am afraid. Please also see this comment. Cirt (talk) 01:37, 25 May 2008 (UTC)