Talk:Document reveals U.S., Taliban discussed bin Laden assassination

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If the U.S. foreign policy folks had killed him then;[edit]

they wouldn't have had the antagonist necessary to justify U.S. military and economic invasions(worldwide Americanization/Globalization)..You don't kill all the robbers if you're selling security systems, now do you? U.S. foreign policy managers have,for generations,subscribed to a bastardization of Hegelian dialectic philosophy(you have to have an enemy to move yourself forward) which is why as soon as the USSR started to fade, the Islamic terrorists were nurtured and irritated(by establishing and maintaining a big US base in Saudi Arabia ) as the next global enemy. It is no surprise to anyone who is thinking outside the box (i.e. who has considered the possibility that this war,and a new global enemy, was wanted by the controllers of the US government), that bin laden is alive nor that Saddam was never bumped off(If our 1,861 died to make "the world a better place without Saddam" why didn't we just have him killed?) Even if Bin Laden was dead, we would likely not know it until his replacement was out front; unlesss,and this is the scary part, the game has now taken on a life of its own, and the enemy they manufactured has now become cancerous...Sort of like how some say the aids virus got out of one of our laboratories. One thing is for sure; the more civilians we kill and cripple, whether by accident or intent, the more enemies(family members,friends of victims) we are manufacturing; and I don't think we need any more.Study Hegel's dialectic and you've got a crystal ball. Paulrevere2005 22:22, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Unfortunately, at this point in time the FBI was spending its efforts investigating President Clinton's sexual life, and not following up on phone calls from Florida about men wanting to learn only how to take off and fly a plane and not land it. So sad. My heart is with the victims of September 11th and their families. :'( -- NGerda 22:28, August 20, 2005 (UTC)
  • Yes,me too; the question is, when and how does the "widow making" and "orphan making" stop? Paulrevere2005 22:33, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
I honestly think (and this is just my opinion) that it rests with the media to change the policy-making. The corporate-owned media has a conflict of interest: they are the ones who lobby their interests in congress (such as lower emissions laws), and they are the ones who supply the information to the public. For too long has the media diverted the focus on important domestic and foreign issues facing the U.S. and world population, forcing us instead to spend our efforts learning about a Michael Jackson trial, a missing white teenage girl in Aruba, and a lost Cub Scout in Utah. There are much larger issues facing the country and the world. Tobacco use alone kills over 1,000 Americans per day! You are twice as likely to kill yourself as someone else is to kill you. 95 percent of child abductions are by the parents of the child. This media needs to be changed. And Wikinews stands a pretty good chance of doing just that. -- NGerda 22:57, August 20, 2005 (UTC)
  • I feel that the buck stops with the voters; and the younger voters must provide the energy. To me it's discouraging that its the older generation like Cindy Sheehan who actually get out and do something(on either side). It's great to spend time communicating but unless one is willing to actually do something; it's nothing but a lot of hot air. CNN had a poll showing that 97% of Americans do not believe their representatives in congress are acting in the people's best interest. That means that America is no longer a government "of the people". That is a serious degeneration of the fabric of the country; but what is more concerning is that those very politicians who are not working for the people will be reelected by the people because the people have given up on the idea that they should get to know and vote for the best candidate..even if he or she is with the Green Party of is an independent. Just imagine if the entire congress were kicked out and replaced by new people within the next 4 years; is there any doubt at all that it would be better for America and Americans?
The media's function is to provide the raw data that people need in order to figure out for themselves exactly what is going on regarding big issues..things like "How did this war start?" "How did the Vietnam War start?" "How did WW2 start?" "Who benefits from wars?" "What would happen if all countries kept all their troops within their own borders until/unless they were needed to stop an invader?" "Who benefits from globalization?""Who benefits from a "police state"...from spying on and searching citizens who have done nothing wrong?" Media needs to aggressively remind people where these wars come from;[[1]]. We had to wait 50 years for the classified information to come out that proved the preceding story; will our media make us wait another 50 years before the information comes out that proves this story?[[2]]"The Islamic "jihad" was supported by the United States and Saudi Arabia"...but still, the people need to demand better media; and fortunately, perhaps wikinews is part of that process. Unless the oncoming tide of reactionary ignorance gets turned around soon; any child born in much of the world this year will never know what it is like not to live in a police state; but I have to wonder; do most people in their 20's even mind if they are under surveillance 24/7?? Would they mind if they had a location chip implanted on their wrist?? Or be required to carry an ID card that is hooked up to GPS??Maybe we just need a new definition for "freedom"..something that is analogous to "on a leash". Paulrevere2005 02:20, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

"The role of political leadership is to shape public opinion."[edit]

This statement by the U.S. representative in paragraph 26 of the article's transcript says it all. Any American who still believes that American policy and government is shaped by the will of the people has go it backwards. The will of the American people(public opinion) is to be shaped by the American political leadership. What a beautiful nugget of reality buried within this transcript. Paulrevere2005 23:22, 21 August 2005 (UTC)