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whats so ever....its not justified...IN EUROPE France has the fast growing Muslim community and they are mostly locals accepting Islam not people coming from other countries...one day u will see France will become a Muslim majority country than what will u guys say and do about the national laws.this is not a law its interference in some ones values and beliefs and u cant impose it by force any where.

115.186.48.115 (talk)01:31, 14 April 2011

PEOPLE WILL PAY FINE BUT WONT CHANGE THEIR MINDS.....

[adnan khan<pakistan>.115]] (talk)01:32, 14 April 2011
 

Yes, it is justified. France is a secular country where religion is to be practiced in privacy. It's the law since 1905. Wearing a burqa or a niqab everywhere is clearly an attempt to express you religious belief in public places.

In addition, this new law does not ban the religious Muslim veil specifically. The ban is on anything which may fully cover one's face making it impossible for them to be identified. Hence, burqa, niqab and military-like full face hoods are banned. People fully covering their faces will not only be brought to the police station for identification, but will also have to pay a 150 €uro fine.

Going back on the article, it should be clearly stated that the arrested people were only arrested because their protestation was not official. In France, you can protest as much as you'd like, but you must "declare" it first at the town hall.

Xionbox (talk)06:14, 14 April 2011
 

Islam is a religion imposed by force in the first place. If you are not a believer then according to Islam they are to either convert you or kill you, and if you are a believer and decide to renounce your faith, if you are a man you will be killed, and a woman or child you will be imprisoned until you admit that you were wrong in renouncing it. I honestly don't understand how people can say that France is forcing people to not be Muslim when the religion is forced onto them in the first place.

24.27.23.39 (talk)07:26, 14 April 2011

I have no problem with Islam as a religion that I do not also have with Christianity, Judaism, Sikhism, Buddhism, et al. And I have no problem with religion per se, just with religion being imposed upon people or used as an "excuse".

What I do have a problem with is people—of any religion—trying to have their religion treated as an exemption to the rules that everybody else much follow.

I believe it is Sikhs whose religion states that they are to carry a sword everywhere, and I would deny them that right. Because something written in a book that is thousands of years old does not imply an inalienable right to ignore the rules and laws of the land in which one resides. The carrying of an offensive weapon is a prime example, and I expect most Sikhs would not expect to be allowed to carry said sword in public.

I simply apply the same logic to the Muslim veil. There are many circumstances in which full-face coverings are deeply inappropriate, and one cannot be expected to be exempted from this on the basis of an outdated system of beliefs, especially by people who do not share those beliefs, or by the government of a secular nation.

Muslims are, of course, as is everyone else, free to believe whatever they like, and free to perform whatever acts of worship or religious expression they wish in the privacy of their own home of place of worship. But expecting to be allowed to do so in public is imposing your religious beliefs on others, and should not be permitted.

DENDODGE10:49, 14 April 2011

Bravo, I couldn't of said it better!

Xionbox (talk)08:06, 15 April 2011
 

May I know where is it in Islam that if you are not a believer they are to either convert you or kill you?

Iundrah (talk)16:22, 23 April 2011
Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV (talk)17:23, 24 April 2011

Sorry I can't find any order there to either convert or kill nonbelievers.

Iundrah (talk)17:06, 25 April 2011

Maybe the link is not working. It says "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day"

Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV (talk)14:01, 26 April 2011
 

But thanks for the link.

Iundrah (talk)17:07, 25 April 2011

This link works for me. In addition, passage 009.030 states the following SHAKIR: And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

Xionbox (talk)07:35, 3 May 2011