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Fragment of a discussion from Comments:US House of Representatives passes health care bill
Of the definitions of progress, you're concerned about the one where something happens, rather than the one where something happens to make society more competent and evolved?
No. I am concerned that it is possible for something to happen. My point is that we need not be so pessimistic as to think that big vested interests - in this case a propaganda campaign - always win. That makes society more evolved. "Call me a pessimist, but I don't think we will ever see true comprehensive health reform in this country [the US] because social darwinism is so pervasive," - that may or may not be true, only time will tell, but my point is there is now hope where before there was nothing.