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Of the definitions of progress, you're concerned about the one where something happens, rather than the one where something happens to make society more competent and evolved?

Fishy c (talk)01:17, 25 March 2010

No. I am concerned that it is possible for something to happen. My point is that we need not be so pessimistic as to think that big vested interests - in this case a propaganda campaign - always win. That makes society more evolved. "Call me a pessimist, but I don't think we will ever see true comprehensive health reform in this country [the US] because social darwinism is so pervasive," - that may or may not be true, only time will tell, but my point is there is now hope where before there was nothing.

Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs)07:45, 25 March 2010