User talk:Zven

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Woman disclosed by newspaper in sex tape found dead

Please start a new article as those events of suicide are new and the article is old. DragonFire1024 06:25, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Done. --Zven 06:59, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

actually you edtied a redirect. Go to the main page and you will see the area on the right to start a new one. DragonFire1024 07:09, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Doh, noticed the redirect, I went to Portal:New Zealand and put in the title into the create article field. Why not alter the {{date|June 8, 2007}} so the history can be conserved? --Zven 07:13, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

The redirect was deleted...so the old is the original article that should not be changed. The new one is the new one you would work on. :) In other words do bot copy and past...write about the new details only. DragonFire1024 07:38, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

They are 2 different articles...thats how they are supposed to be. One is a nwe article the other is an old article. DragonFire1024 22:58, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

And the second one needs to be rewritten to conform to new news...not a copy and paste of the old article. DragonFire1024 23:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

• Wikinews policy is to not continually update stories after they are published. The initial story was that the woman was found dead. That was published for several days before it was revealed it was suicide. People don't go back and read the old stories again and again, if you want them to have the new information it has to go in a new story. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 07:31, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes but the suicide was a small detail which could be deduced from the sudden death, it was still current news in Portal:New Zealand, and modifying the title of the article accordingly reflected the cause of death. See my comments below aswell. --Zven 03:55, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Here: WN:NOT. What Wikinews articles are not: Wikinews articles are not works in progress. Once written and published they are historical documents; they should not continue to be updated or changed. Especially, they should not be altered to an angle or POV not reflective of the article as it was published. Wikinews is not an encyclopedia.

Thus NEW information in articles that are days old, get a new article...not copy and paste with a few new words. DragonFire1024 10:16, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I totally understand where you are coming from, however I think it is subjective as to when the call is made to create another article. For example in the Bob Woolmer case, it makes absolute sense that another article should be made once another theory about the cause of death was established. In the Debbie Gerbeck article information was not forthcoming that is why it may have looked like a work in progress. I was aware from the outset it was most likely suicide but I was not prepared to speculate with my own POV. The reason information was not forthcoming is that journalists from New Zealands largest newspaper disclosed and hounded the woman, and the source they acquired the information from may have been New Zealand police officers involved in operation Austin, and the police attended the sudden death. Anyone who new the related cases would have known that suicide was the likely cause. I didn't realise you wanted me to write a completely fresh article at the time, if I had I would have argued the case not to then as the cause of death is a minor detail which took time to be disclosed i.e. Found dead vs committed suicide, which is not POV as it was finally disclosed on national television on 13 June. The reporters names were also disclosed in a follow up program on 14 June. --Zven 20:02, 14 June 2007 (UTC)