File talk:Iranmap,1.gif

This article was nominated for deletion on May 16, 2007, and the result was to keep the article. The archived version of the deletion debate can be found here.

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This is a compatible license and the fair use is as is. The image cannot be found anywhere else. DragonFire1024 07:25, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

please read talk pages. DragonFire1024 07:29, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

This image is compatible with crown copyright on Wikinews. Please read what you are doing and comment on talk pages. DragonFire1024 07:37, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

That might be the case. But there is no fair use rationale provided as required by Foundation policy. --+Deprifry+ 07:39, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

And what would need to be added for Fiar Use? As IMO thats not clearly written anywhere. DragonFire1024 07:40, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

A rationale outlining why the media in question qualifies for an exemption under Resolution:Licensing policy:

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Their use, with limited exception, should be to illustrate historically significant events, to include identifying protected works such as logos, or to complement (within narrow limits) articles about copyrighted contemporary works. An EDP may not allow material where we can reasonably expect someone to upload a freely licensed file for the same purpose, such as is the case for almost all portraits of living notable individuals. Any content used under an EDP must be replaced with a freely licensed work whenever one is available which will serve the same educational purpose.

The rationale you've now added seems like a stretch. To suggest that this is the only map of Tehran available is not a reasonable notion. --+Deprifry+ 07:53, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Then tell me where a map of the British Embassy in Iran is thats "free" because commons has none. DragonFire1024 07:55, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Anyone with a bit of Photoshop skills could, with some effort, create a map of that section of Tehran. --+Deprifry+ 07:59, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

That is not reasonable. We are not here to force anyone to make their own images. The image is available, and is licensed properly and is compatible with Wikinews. And no one has yet to tell me any reason why its not.The fair use is there. And its not on commons nor is a map. And if you start telling users to make their own images, you may as well tell them to take a hike too. DragonFire1024 08:07, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair Use and Wikinews

The major failing of the policy with regards to Wikinews is a failure to take into account our time constraints and the focus of our users on writing. We have an archiving policy, and as far as I am concerned this image was fair use at the time the associated article was published. I could live with a {{depreciated}} or {{superceded|foo}} tag and asking commons for help with images, but if they can't replace the image within our pre-archiving window I see no reason why we shouldn't keep using the image on that article.

Personally I think it is ridiculous to suggest that our users should be squandering their time with photoshop to replace a map provided under Crown Copyright. Our project hasn't attracted the people who carry out these tasks and if they have set up any framework to do this work for sister projects elsewhere (Eg commons) they've hidden it well.

We already hold ourselves to a higher standard than many of the mainstream press, this map likely appeared on many sites without any credit. I understand the frustration of some who object to the encyclopedic interpretation of the new policy. As far as I'm concerned for an image like this you claim Fair use, and if it isn't replaced within 240 hours then tough luck, it was fair use for the life of the article. If someone comes along 241 hours later and uploads a more free image then the image used should be tagged to avoid future use.

Some of the comments I have seen regarding the dispute over this issue have constituted personal attacks and threats. Some of the involved parties who are not so active on this project need to accept that our non-encyclopedic nature means there are different interpretations of the policy here. On the other hand, some of those who are unhappy with the proposal are failing to assume good faith. Can we stop the foot-stomping and threats and have a serious discussion about this one image? Please, make an effort to convince me that we should replace it rather than tag it as not for future use. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 09:36, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair Use Rational: The entire portion of the Crown Copyright image is used and taken directly from the above source with no modifications. This image is being used to show an exact location or visual identification of the British Embassy in Tehran, Iran. It illustrates the particular topic of where shots were fired outside the British embassy in Tehran during the hostage crisis of the 7 British sailors being held captive in Iran. This image has not been uploaded in a lower resolution from the original. This image is an exact location of the embassy and no other "free" image exists under the guidelines of "free." This image could not be recreated without the use of copyrighted material/maps.

Is this good enough? meets guideline according to WP. DragonFire1024 03:48, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Calm Down!

I think we need to start a fresh and, calm down! I happen to agree with DragonFire1024 because he has followed all the minimum requirements and, has in general responded appropriately to any criticizm. I think this has become way to heated and should have some time to calm down. Symode09 04:04, 23 May 2007 (UTC)