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Good morning, Jiang.

It's always nice to see your posts and edits. - Amgine 05:01, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

it's still evening here, but it's good to see you too--Jiang 05:24, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Zhao Ziyang's funeral scheduled for Saturday

I'm sorry I did not finish with this yesterday; I was distracted from completing this particular article.

The article contains many direct quotes from the BBC article; I did not have time to check the other source article, or elsewhere on the internet. The BBC article is copyrighted, unlike some Voice of America articles, and so you need to rewrite each sentence or list it as a quote. For example:

The government wanted to say he made grave mistakes while his family refuses to admit he did any wrong.

is almost exactly the same as:

The government reportedly wants to say he made grave mistakes in his handling of the Tiananmen protests, while his family refuses to admit he did anything wrong.

A way to use this in your article might be to say:

The BBC reports the government and family disagreed over an assessment of his life; Beijing wanting to say he made grave mistakes while his family does not admit he did anything wrong.

Or you could rewrite the sentence completely:

Disagreement between the family and the government about what should be said at the funeral was part of the delay.

Zhao's family disagrees with the government over the correctness of Zhao's actions regarding Tiannemen Square.

Similarly, other quotes and sections can be ascribed to the BBC or completely rewritten.

The length and content are likewise very nearly the same, which is another form of possible copyright violation. Your article should be a synthesis of sources, and not cover the same content in the same order and with the same angle as another article.

What this means in practice is you should probably not cover all the points in the BBC article, and you should cover points not a part of the BBC article.

Again, I apologize for not working on this article earlier. - Amgine 16:51, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I have implemented the specific example you have pointed out. Thank you for correcting me.

However, I cannot find any "other quotes and sections" that can be considered copyright BBC. I also fail to see how the "length and content are likewise very nearly the same". If you would check the VOA article and compare it to mine, you would see most of the content came from VOA, not BBC. There is also info in the BBC article that is not in mine for example, mentions of specific beatings such as "...a man from Henan province, Wang Shiyuan, whose face was left covered with blood after he was challenged for wearing a white paper flower - a traditional Chinese symbol of mourning" do not exist. There is also, as you suggested, content not in the BBC article, for example "Analysts say the government sees a parallel with the death of another reformer, party leader Hu Yaobang, which sparked the demonstrations in May and June of 1989." If you would, please elaborate on your points and suggestions at Talk:Zhao Ziyang's funeral scheduled for Saturday because Im having trouble see what youre seeing.

What are the guidelines for removing articles listed under "latest news"? The main page states, "If you find a problem with one, fix it or comment on the article's discussion page. After you've finished writing an article, you can add it to today's latest news." It says nothing about removing an article. Can you what policy page says this? I've looked around. --Jiang 05:47, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I believe I must apologize profusely. I looked at the VOA article and yours, and felt they were too similar originally - not remembering that VOA articles which do not state otherwise are not copyrighted.

I should not have removed it from the published page, but should have fixed what I saw as wrong immediately. I am sorry I did not do so. - Amgine 18:12, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)