Talk:Death of Nancy Benoit rumour posted on Wikipedia hours prior to body being found

OR

The edits were found on Wikipedia and bawolff traced the first edit. Still working on the second. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 08:33, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Bawolff traced the second IP address. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 08:43, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

This is a - potentially - speculative article, it is important that the paragraph noting that the Benoit article has been the target of rumour and promotion is retained. This keeps the balance well enough (i.e. covers the fact we're reporting on rumour-mongering) and allows it to be {{publish}}ed. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 08:58, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I think the OR notes need to be far more expansive. --SVTCobra 17:06, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I added the info from Cary Bass, after a brief interview in IRC. Cary Bass is a Wikimedian. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 19:15, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Title

Is that accurate? Was it before it occurred or before police entered the property? --SVTCobra 08:57, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

They found the bodies at 2:30 pm or so monday (eastern) I would think that it was 14 hours before that? this is why I need help researching :) DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 09:01, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

the WP edit was done at 00:01, 25 June 2007 (UTC). --SVTCobra 10:12, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Unpublished

Listen the facts are all wrong. She most likely died Friday - so way before the edit. I am at work - not sure if I can fix it myself. --SVTCobra 14:06, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Could you clarify this a little? There was extensive verification of the timeline and when the edits took place. Yes, it is likely she died before the edit was made, but her death was not officially known. I see no errors in the article, and sources on the related news establish all the other facts. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 15:47, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

And why is this unpublished?? DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 16:52, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I think I have taken care of it. She died Friday, that is more than just a little before these edits were made. The opening paragraph claimed that they were before her death, as did the title. --SVTCobra 16:53, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

It has been republished after fixes were made if you take a look. --SVTCobra 16:54, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I hope that is clear that I only unpublished until material errors were fixed. --SVTCobra 23:35, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Let's calculate

I don't follow the calculation: the edit was made at 6:01 4:01 a.m. UTC. Fayette County, Georgia is UTC -5. The police entered 2:30 p.m., which in UTC is 9:30 am. So do I have it wrong or is there a 3 and a half hour gap? --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 16:03, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

The edit was 4:01 a.m. UTC. Georgia is UTC-4 in the summer. 2:30 p.m. is 6:30 p.m. UTC. Yes, I think you got it wrong. --SVTCobra 16:47, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I get it know, quite confusing! Thanks. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 16:54, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Timezones suck. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 17:19, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

How was this found?

"Wikinews has learned through an investigation..." => what kind? --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 16:08, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Someone pointed us to the IP edits on the Wikipedia article. You should attend more Cabal (TINC) meetings. ;) --Brian McNeil / ^talk 16:23, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

And then I think somebody told Bawolff on IRC. --SVTCobra 17:03, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

The wikipedia admins found it. see the Talk:Professional_wrestler_Chris_Benoit_and_family_found_dead#IRC_-_wikipedia_knows_he_is_dead_to_fast talk of the original article about his death. Bawolff ☺☻ 21:34, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I am the person who broke the story on the Chris Benoit page. Read the thread here. Notice I ended up being blocked for the thread by an admin whose actions need to be reviewed. 74.140.242.211 04:12, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

If you look at all the other references to this story on the Admin pages or elsewhere on wikipedia, they all start to occur about 60-90 minutes after my post on the Chris Benoit talk page. I am responsible for this story. And I got blocked for it. Sometimes you wonder if people here know what they are doing. 74.140.242.211 04:14, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

POV speculation

I removed this bit: [1] becuase for one, it is not likely, it is unknown. We cannot speculate on something we have no idea about. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:01, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Guys...

...take a look at the frontpage of foxnews.com. This is currently their lead story. --+Deprifry+ 17:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

And they better quote us or there will be a heap of trouble. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 18:08, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

What trouble? They apparently called Carry Bass and asked for an explanation... what do you suggest? --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 18:12, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, they can stop saying 'exclusive' on their front page, because it isn't. Blood Red Sandman ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 18:22, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks to DragonFire and our Wikinewsreports blog, we're on Google News too: Google News. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 18:43, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Good :) maybe that will get some attention :) DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 18:46, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I just emailed Fox News asking them to remove the "Exclusive" tag. Thunderhead 19:55, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

They appear to have taken the tag down. JoshuaZ 23:12, 28 June 2007 (UTC) Never mind, it is still up on the main foxnews.com page. JoshuaZ 23:15, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Mentions in the Other Press

• National Ledger (Wikinews mentioned).

• Used contact form to say thanks for the link/mention, got positive response. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 23:26, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

• Impact Wrestling (Wikinews mentioned).

ImpactWrestling even links back to the Wikinews article under "read more"! --SVTCobra 00:21, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

• FOX News (NO WIKINEWS MENTION).
• The Citizen (No Wikinews mention)

• cnn.com(although actually an AP Press copyright). (No mention of wikinews)

The IP 69.120.111.23

According to an article on pwinsider (which I can not link to but is here: pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=25198&p=1), which will need some verifying I'm sure, the IP of the first anon editor doesn't trace back to Connecticut, but somewhere in New York. - bdve 24.14.196.6 22:32, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[copied from other page]

That address resolves to Hicksville, NY, NOT Stamford, CT

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4619/picture1tz9.png

It is possible this is a dynamic IP address. Bawolff ☺☻ 21:41, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I think that all Optimum Online IP addresses will show Hicksville, NY. That is the company address. I am an Optimum Online user, and nowhere near Hicksville and I just ran my IP and it came back as Hicksville, as well. Obviously, IP's can be resolved further than the corporate address of the provider, but I do not know how to do that. --SVTCobra 21:48, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

The address does resolve to Stamford on most other services and IP traces. You can google some IP search resources and see for yourself. --SVTCobra 23:46, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

The IP address 69.120.111.23 traced to "smfrct.cv.net" (assuming that's Stamford, CT) when I tried:

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1198/tracest1.png

Grammar

Shouldn't it say "hung himself" instead of "hanged himself"?

Generally the past tense of hang is hanged when you refer to killing something, and hung when you just hang something up. Bawolff ☺☻ 22:43, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

It's not just generally, it is proper English. "Strictly, the past tense of hang is hanged in the sense of "to be executed by suspension from the neck" and "to execute by suspension from the neck" and hung for all other meanings. However, this rule is not uniformly understood or observed." - Wiktionary:Hang. --SVTCobra 23:41, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Other Edits from 69.120.111.23

The IP address 69.120.111.23 had also removed vulgar comments about Chavo Guerro, Jr earlier in June 2007. The person had also modified the "Government" section of "Naugatuck, Connecticut" in May 2007 adding the names "Marc Dagz" and "Visar Tasimi" as mayor and deputy mayor. I would be interested to know who those people are.

• They are students at UConn. They're both on Facebook if you'd like to message them. Bubbaprog 01:09, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
• Along those lines, this same IP address is responsible for lots of other generally negative vandalism. To me it seems likely that this is just an amazing coincedence.

Request of Info

Could someone please e-mail me at Asher@AsherHeimermann.com? I would like to get some info to do a story on my site. Thanks. 67.36.86.24 02:54, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

What kind of info? (Note also emailing this). Bawolff ☺☻ 02:56, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I posted the comment we are all talking about and I am here to explain that it was A HUGE COINCIDENCE and nothing more

Hey everyone. I am here to talk about the wikipedia comment that was left by myself. I just want to say that it was an incredible coincidence. Last weekend, I had heard about Chris Benoit no showing Vengeance because of a family emergency, and I had heard rumors about why that was. I was reading rumors and speculation about this matter online, and one of them included that his wife may have passed away, and I did the wrong thing by posting it on wikipedia to spite there being no evidence. I posted my speculation on the situation at the time and I am deeply sorry about this, and I was just as shocked as everyone when I heard that this actually would happen in real life. It is one of those things that just turned into a huge coincidence. That night I found out that what I posted, ended up actually happening, a 1 in 10,000 chance of happening, or so I thought. I was beyond wrong for posting wrongful information, and I am sorry to everyone for this. I just want everyone to know it was stupid of me, and I will never do anything like this again. I just posted something that was at that time a piece of wrong unsourced information that is typical on wikipedia, as it is done all the time.

Nonetheless, I feel incredibly bad for all the attention this got because of the fact that what I said turned out to be the truth. Like I said it was just a major coincidence, and I will never vandalize anything on wikipedia or post wrongful information. I've learned from this experience. I just can't believe what I wrote was actually the case, I've remained stunned and saddened over it.

I wish not to reveal my identity so I can keep me and my family out of this since they have nothing to do with anything. I am not connected to WWE or Benoit at all in anyway. I am from Stamford as the IP address shows, and I am just an everyday individual who posted a wrongful remark at the time that received so much attention because it turned out to actually happen. I will say again I didn't know anything about the Benoit tragedy, it was a terrible coincidence that I never saw coming.

I hope this puts an end to this speculation that someone knew about the tragedy before it was discovered. It was just a rumor that I had heard about from other people online who were speculating what the family emergency Chris was attending to. I made a big mistake by posting this comment on his page, since all we had were what we thought was going on and nothing about what actually was going on yet, and sadly what happened turned out to be my speculation at the time. I assumed wiki would edit out my information, which they did, so thats why I didn't go back to edit it out myself.

I know I keep repeating it but I feel terrible about the mainstream coverage this has received, since it was only a huge coincidence and a terrible event that should of never happened. I am not sure how to react, as hearing about my message becoming a huge part of the Benoit slayings made me feel terrible as everyone believes that it is connected to the tragedy, but it was just an awful coincidence. That is all I have to say, I will never post anything here again unless it is pure fact, no spam nothing like that. Thank you, and let this end this chapter of the Benoit story, and hopefully one day we will find out why this tragedy ever actually happened.