User talk:SVTCobra

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Off-wiki discussion[edit]

User:Zerabat (from eswn) notifies that Peru’s President has resigned. They also said they were busy translating Russia and Uber related articles so they would not be able to write about it. If you have a free slot, could you write about it? (Just to remind you, translation would help dividing the work so that all editors, they do not end up spending time behind same articles and help increase Wikinews’ productivity.) whatever your answer as, let me know. (CC@Yngvadottir:) (talk) 01:02, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

another interesting story if you have time for it: “Man referred to FBI after his Malaysian flag was mistaken for an Isis symbol sues for discrimination” (talk) 01:08, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
I am never lacking for story ideas ... and I am working on one now. --SVTCobra 01:14, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
I don’t doubt it. But I doubt you have time to write everything you have planned to write about. So if you manage to find time, would you like to write about it. (talk) 01:39, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
Why can't you do it? As far as I am concerned, the flag story might belong in Wacky news. I am really out of touch with Peru. I couldn't name the President if I had a gun to my head (and I can name most of the South American heads-of-state). --SVTCobra 03:05, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
if you don’t want to do it, just say no. I asked for an objective answer, not return questions. I ask others only when I am sure I would not be able to do it. It is not hard to see the pattern. (talk) 03:13, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
I am sorry. I thought "I am never lacking for story ideas ... and I am working on one now." was a polite 'no'. But you didn't understand that, I guess. I guess I should just be more direct with you. By the way, do you remember State of emergency in Sri Lanka remains despite calm returning after violence? Yes, that was a requested story. It took a whole week of my time and a ton of Pi zero's time, too. Two of my own story ideas went down the drain because of it. Not a single "thank you" and then you come back and make more requests? And when I tell you why I don't and ask you to why you can't yourself, you say I am not allowed to ask you questions? Are you even aware of how rude you are? --SVTCobra 03:29, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

If it is a “no”. Just say no. There is no AGF on this project so don’t give me all that politeness. I have received a lot of no responses all this time and it is not a problem. All that lengthy lines of politeness is honestly waste of time of yours as well as the readers if your answer is not objective. For Sri Lanka related article — I don’t have a working laptop, I wasn’t home nor is my health alright to even edit anything. Did you not notice decline in my activity? You are allowed to ask questions, but at least answer the objective questions with objective answers. Why can’t I do it is not an answer I expect. I have six exams in three days. (talk) 03:36, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

I had personally read 'I am never lacking for story ideas ... and I am working on one now.' as a 'no'. I'd suggest for now to suggest stories, make a new draft, put an
to the top, Category:Proposed article at the bottom, and leave it at that. I'd look after that category, cleaning that mess up could be left to me personally, I volunteer. Gryllida (talk) 06:11, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Why can't you do it? is not an invasive question. To answer it, you don't need to go into details of your personal life. You could just say "I'm busy" or some other generic thing. --SVTCobra 12:25, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

You still did not get it, I feel. Even when I have articles to write, if someone says “can you write article about X”, I fit it in my schedule; so you need to tell me, if you have time to do it or not; and if we go for indirect approach like the above, next question is: are you willing to write it or not? — that is why an objective yes/no would help me ask Ferdi2005 or Ezarate or George Ho, Mikemoral about it. As for answering why I cannot do it, isn’t the de facto answer “I am busy”? For the record, my laptop is not working, I don’t have stable internet, I have exams and I am ill. (Beat that, in terms of crossover, Infinity War) I wrote an article about rhino even though I had tests, but now without enough internet data, it is not possible (that too on phone) Tgat is why I have applied for hardware donation.
•–• 12:35, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
OK, the answer is NO!. Is that basic and "objective" enough for you? I love how you always phrase things in terms of what other people need to do. If your data consumption is so precious, why are you wasting it on this conversation? --SVTCobra 12:48, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
so that I do not need to waste data the next time I ask. (talk) 12:53, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
One thing that will waste even less data and time for all is to just not respond. I am considering that option for the future. --SVTCobra 12:58, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Re category redirects[edit]

(CC@Pi zero, Mikemoral, Gryllida:) On enwp, the “/wiki/🇳🇵“ is a redirect for Flag of Nepal. Should we create redirects for country categories on enwn?
•–• 12:39, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

  • I'm not sure what that symbol is.
  • Is there some situation where such a redirect would be useful to us?
--Pi zero (talk) 12:42, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
is the emoji not appearing on your screen? It is Neapl’s Flag link. It would reduce typing for those on mobile device, and searching becomes easy. (talk) 12:57, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
Huh. Our primary use for them is for links to Nepal within articles to work. Perhaps consider using a mobile app that automatically replaces the utf8 symbol with the respective word, then you would easier type them not only in the URL bar but everywhere. Just a thought. Gryllida (talk) 18:51, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
Now you are thinking for the editors and not users. enwp does not use it for linking purpose; for the record. Having an application to replace words, we aim to reduce labour for readers; not increase it.
•–• 21:42, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
Use a script globally as this is not terrific. Gryllida (talk) 20:35, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
For context, see the ENWP page being referred to above. I'm in two minds about this proposal. On the one hand my mobile phone browser comes equipped with a set of national flag icons, which I've used on occasion in social media but not wikis, as far as I can recall. On the other hand I note that Category:News articles by country has more than 200 subcategories. If such redirects are created, it should perhaps be limited to country categories with X number of articles, where X is an arbitrary number we choose. Green Giant (talk) 21:48, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

not only that is a biased way; it is pointless. Why set a threshold unless there is a good reason and why to favour certain countries over others. (talk) 16:31, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Speculation about a train[edit]

I really do see what you have in mind there. Put a great deal of thought into my review comments, to try to articulate what about it wasn't working for me. --Pi zero (talk) 22:50, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Yes, it is an experiment. That's why I kept it short instead of investing too much time into this type of reporting which borders on commentary/criticism. But, alas, I haven't read your notes yet, so maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised Smile.png --SVTCobra 22:53, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Share your experience and feedback as a Wikimedian in this global survey[edit]

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Well, if you want to catch up (on the number of articles written, :-P)[edit]

A US, NY to be precise, related story you could write. As US crime and law isn’t my strong point, maybe someone with more experience doing it makes sense. (talk) 22:26, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Interesting. Well, I saw this yesterday and thought of you: [1] BBC is clearly not enough of a source for this (and it's already at least a day old. But no, I don't want to get into a race. We'd be fighting for Pi zero's attention. Also, we might be shitting out low-quality articles just to get the numbers. By the way, there's a WN:FRRFP I'd like you to give your honest opinion on. Try to do it logged-in, if you don't mind. Cheers, --SVTCobra 22:42, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
regarding the paper leak, I have been tweeting about it since Wednesday and unless there are no serious updates, it isn’t fresh. Funny how I never thought about a reexamination three years ago when our paper was extremely difficult and lengthy; shocked the hell out of me that I don’t want to think about it. Regarding pi’s attention, we both could review each other’s articles, only if I could find enough continuous time in one slot; and if we are going to do that, I need to tell you (and should have told pizero) about my college time table. But neither do I find you on IRC, nor is the email option available for you. I searched “SVTCobra” on telegram, didn’t find any user. But, if I feel my article did not live up to the threshold level, I don’t type it; you are aware that I write each story in my journal before typing it on-wiki, right? Also if I am not satisfied with my work, I ask reviewer for a stricter review; all that helps to improve and also avoid poor content getting out. For voting, I would, later after I finish some off-wiki business; but for a comment, anyone can, I feel.
•–• 05:26, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
I suppose you're not sharing college timetable here because you do not want it to be publicly available? Or what is hindering you? --Gryllida (talk) 05:41, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
Can't see an ideal way to share a screenshot with just a few folks. Well, SVTCobra, your article count, per MyList is 258.
•–• 11:54, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
Left a comment, SVTCobra. If you could just respond to the questions implicitly mentioned, I could cast a vote.
•–• 13:40, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
The fan broke on my laptop, so I am in worry of over-heating and may need to go offline at a moment's notice, but I am reading your lengthy comment and hope to be able to reply shortly. But if I don't, you know why. --SVTCobra 14:33, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
I made my reply. The fan started spinning again, but it sounds terrible. Need a new one. We can and should review each other's articles, but I still don't like the competition aspect. Too much motivation to fail an article of the competition. It'd be like if a football team could give yellow cards to the other team. I know, and fully understand, you see it as a way to increase Wikinews' output and get more articles published. So let's just push ahead and aim for trophies and not pit ourselves against each other. Let bygones be bygones. BTW, I did call you out a little bit in my reply, so I hope there are no hard feelings. Wikinews needs us both, imho. Cheers, --SVTCobra 16:04, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Reminder: Share your feedback in this Wikimedia survey[edit]

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Your feedback matters: Final reminder to take the global Wikimedia survey[edit]

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Would you mind moving a page (without leaving a redirect)?[edit]

Let me know if you are online and can rename a page.
•–• 06:28, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Sorry if I wasn't there for this. Well, you can always do a rename and tag the redirect for speedy deletion. Cheers, --SVTCobra 23:36, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
That is kind of messy, and even though it demands admin’s attention in both the cases; I tend to ask for moving without a redirect. (talk) 03:33, 26 April 2018 (UTC)


when you are editing a protected page (probably due to ep request) and if you have "copious free time", consider wikifying, filling out the categories, making ASCII quotation fixes, and all those things I can't remember right now. Even if those things were not requested -- and some admins do not like to club those unsaid requests, but it is better to fix the article (till that point of time) in as less number of attempts as possible.
•–• 23:13, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I am doing lots of {{w}} and local links. I don't know what you mean about ASCII. Yes, I saw you made such an edit to our latest published article but I could not discern what the changes were. Cheers, --SVTCobra 23:33, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
Notice the difference: “,’ vs ", '. The later ones are ASCII characters, which should be used. (talk) 03:17, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Breaking news[edit]

Out of norridgewock Maine a cop has been killed. --NSSusers (talk) 00:50, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

What's your source? --SVTCobra 00:52, 27 April 2018 (UTC) --NSSusers (talk) 00:55, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Why did you delete the source templates? They are there to be used. Also, this happened yesterday, so definitely not breaking.--SVTCobra 01:07, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
Did you think I was going to write the article for you? That's not how it works. I'll be happy to help you if you have any questions. --SVTCobra 03:59, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

US: Tennessee House and Senate pass The School Safety Act of 2018[edit]

You've noticed, of course, that the article is quite stale, right? (I know, it can take a long time to review an article that's obviously a no-go, because one wants to give the reporter plenty of feedback so they can improve. I just did one like that myself.) --Pi zero (talk) 14:11, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I just want to see if I ca help the author i style tips. Also, if Gov. signs it should be good to go. --SVTCobra 14:16, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
I believe that reporter — whose enthusiasm I've noticed, I agree they're well worth helping with feedback — is still struggling with the whole "write in your own words" thing. (Best example I know of advice that doesn't help someone who hasn't got the hang of it yet: "write in your own words".) --Pi zero (talk) 14:23, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

NASA InSight article pending edit[edit]

Two edits were submitted (history); I examined and rejected the earlier one, which seemed to really want a second set of reviewer eyes on it, and left a remark on the talk page. However, the second, smaller edit I left pending, as it seemed to call less for a second set of reviewer eyes and more for an inspection by the reviewer who did the review in the first place and is, presumably, already fairly immersed in the material. So I invite you to take a look at that. If you want me to dive into it, of course, just let me know. --Pi zero (talk) 20:21, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

I commented and pinged the author on the collaboration page. --SVTCobra 20:40, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
The author has replied but rather than disallowing the reverts myself, I think it best that you look at both of our comments on the collaboration page and make a decision. --SVTCobra 22:38, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
Noted. --Pi zero (talk) 22:45, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
Special:Diff/4404622 I wish you didn't open that old bag of bones. Wikipedia is pretty consistent in disallowing user-edited sources. And just imagine the circular nightmare if both WP and WN allowed each other as sources. I feel your comment is just saying "Wikinews is better than Wikipedia". Cheers, --SVTCobra 23:26, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
This has nothing to do with "better"; they're fundamentally different, serving different functions and having operational properties profoundly different from each other, so that there's no meaningful way to rate them on a single good/bad dimension. Wikipedia is inherently incapable of being a trust-worthy source, and the things Wikipedia would have to do to change that, are realistically impossible — the Wikipedia community would have to embrace things it collectively hates about Wikinews. --Pi zero (talk) 00:04, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
Yes, they lack the reviewed-revisions and people change items that have a foot-noted source to something that's not in the source; but your comment was not exactly endearing nor on-point as far as this specific article. It was a jab at Wikipedia, however justified it may be, and didn't address the issues. Your previous comment was sufficient. Let's not antagonize an obviously talented writer who already knows how to use {{w}} and {{sources}}. He may be a little irritated and possessive/protective of his work, but who isn't when they start out? Some still are after nearly 300 articles. Cheers,--SVTCobra 00:24, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
Meh. The difference isn't about superficial technical stuff like that, but most of the difference also isn't relevant to my comment you've objected to, either. --Pi zero (talk) 01:19, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
OK. Either way, I think we have a pretty good article about the launch. Sorry if it put you off-track again for the automation project. Cheers, --SVTCobra 01:32, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

(Did not know where to drop a message)[edit]

@Green Giant, Pi zero: with SVTCobra and me involved, there are four reviewers online at the moment. RQ is flooding, I will be writing articles, and Pi zero does not write (haven't seen them writing for three years) so maybe all need to pick an article, and if possible, use an IM to properly communicate to work more efficiently. (Oh, by the way, the article I am working on is on the last day, so kind of urgency :-/ but well, we need a very instant type of communication medium)
•–• 17:29, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Pakistan transgender article[edit]

Hope I'm not stepping on your toes. --Pi zero (talk) 21:12, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Don't forget to sight the page after protecting against renaming[edit]

•–• 06:25, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

OK, I didn't think it was the type of action that needed to be sighted. I'll keep it in mind going forward. Thanks, --SVTCobra 06:39, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
I don't know the complexity involved -- in certain cases a protected (maybe the archive protection -- edit allowed for admins) would allow only admin + reviewer to sight it; however, changing protection will add a [review] message.
•–• 06:43, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
BTW, you think you can do a late night review?
•–• 06:43, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
Also, do you know any native German speakers? I guess @Green Giant: knows Deutsche.
•–• 06:45, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
In real life, yes, but on Wiki I do not. I see Green Giant has contributed to dewp, but usually in English on talk pages, and often apologizing for basic knowledge of German. My own German topped out at a couple of university level classes, but it is very rusty. Cheers, --SVTCobra 06:59, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
In real life, you say? Would they translate a couple of German articles for us on a fine Saturday?
•–• 07:03, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

If they agree, here are the links: 1, 2. I want it in this format.
•–• 07:06, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Same here, I studied French and German at university but I wouldn't describe my current knowledge of German as more than a conversational level. Green Giant (talk) 08:34, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
The people I know are acquaintances I gathered professionally. They are, without getting too specific, what you'd call businesspeople. If I were to contact them, it would be for a job referral or reference. I shan't trouble them with this. --SVTCobra 10:32, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Need your urgent help[edit]

Might even consider joining #wikinewsie-group on IRC so that we can discuss this situation in real time. Need to get this one done in less than 3:30 hours. Sudanese teenager sentenced to death for killing husband in self-defence after being raped
•–• 20:34, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

If you keep it short, I can give it a review. But if I discuss too much on IRC, I might violate the rule about being involved with the development. --SVTCobra 20:41, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
I don't think you can be involved in the development of an article that is already written on the paper. Will be ready in ten minutes or so, excluding time to hyperlink. Gosh, we need an etherpad so badly.
•–• 20:53, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, I would have been happy to add {{w}} at the same time as you add more text/sources. --SVTCobra 20:57, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
Done. BTW, we could, in future use Wikimedia's etherpad, as I have used it for speeding up reviews, with numbermaniac. Ironically, on the same day, to speed up a review, I tried to tackle one real-life task which ended up me getting in an accident and I then I could move only two fingers.
•–• 21:15, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
ok, we can talk about etherpad later, I know nothing about it as of now, had to look up the word. --SVTCobra 21:19, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

55 dead in Israel-Gaza border clashes[edit]

Exams tomorrow. Overslept today. Would you mind reviewing it?
•–• 10:57, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Hey Old Buddy[edit]

Hey is MessedRocker still active around here? What about Neutralizer? -MyName/Wazzawazzawaz

Hi, no I have not seen MessedRocker in a long time. --SVTCobra 23:59, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Adding images[edit]

There's been some shifting around, over time, regarding how "involving" it is for a reviewer to add an image during review. A few years back, during times when I was usually the only active reviewer on the project for months at a time, it was not uncommon for me to add an image during review (I think; truthfully it's been a while, but I'm sure it sometimes happened, anyway). Because there were no other reviewers around, if I added something after review it would simply never have been reviewed and might as well not have been submitted. However, BRS made the point, comparatively recently, that since we consider the choice of image to be covered by the archive policy (an important policy point), this implies it's a somewhat substantive feature, so it's probably best that a reviewer not add an image during review. Once we have multiple reviewers around, we can clearly afford that, and so I have modernly waited until after I've published an article, then added the image without sighting it, for some other reviewer to consider. --Pi zero (talk) 18:23, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

OK, gotcha. I need to make one stipulation, however, adding a location map should not be part of that practice. It is as benign as adding an infobox. Obviously, if I added an image of Jesus on a Crucifix, with the caption "file photo of a person on a cross" that would be beyond reasonable on so many levels. And I recognise that choice of portraits can be flattering or very negative, so I hope a reviewer can still disallow some images even if they are on Commons for NPOV. --SVTCobra 18:31, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
Actually, some reports suggest that a first century Jewish shepherd and the portrait of Jesus are very different. I guess some people might consider the person in this photo to be Jesus. I hope Quill asks Bucky if he is Jesus.
•–• 18:52, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
Everyone knows Jesus was black. Now, tell me why you removed the map. --SVTCobra 18:55, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Reviewing things[edit]

Any chance you could try the Swaziland article? I should do Hawaii. --Pi zero (talk) 23:30, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

I can try, but I won't be doing the c*b*l bullshit. --SVTCobra 23:33, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
If by that you mean IRC, well, ac should be unavailable now. --Pi zero (talk) 23:41, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Relatos Sobre Sexo[edit]

Please could you delete this page and leave a block note on the original authors userpage? Cheers. Green Giant (talk) 10:29, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Oops, I goofed on that one. I think it's fixed now. Thanks, --SVTCobra 10:34, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
No worries, easily done. :) —Green Giant (talk) 10:48, 20 May 2018 (UTC)


There's nothing wrong with it, afaik, but it's mostly a few oldtimers (older than me, that is :-) who use its ilk. Like many things set up in the Elder Days of the project, variant source templates seem to be a tradition imitated from Wikipedia (of the time) that got slowly transformed through usage here into a simplified, streamlined form suitable for simple, rapid use in news writing. The upshot being that it's now almost unheard of to use anything but {{source}} for citing sources. --Pi zero (talk) 15:01, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Cobra wikitribune needs you[edit] great place for news wiki --Tribuneman2018 (talk) 22:07, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

I'll take one of the paying jobs, if you're offering. --SVTCobra 22:09, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
The user has requested unblocking, or at least unblocking of the associated ip, so that they can "contribute to Wikinews in a fair way". I had considered asking them, at the request, to explain in their own words why they care to do that, in light of their remarks on Acagastya's talk page; but when I've considered actually writing such a question, and dealing with whatever response it produces, I just feel tired. So I haven't asked. However, even had I asked the question, I feel that as the blocking admin, I wouldn't be the ideal person to close the request.

Thoughts? --Pi zero (talk) 13:54, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

OK, I'll ask. Acagastya's suggestion of getting a rename via Meta would still leave the user blocked here. --SVTCobra 13:59, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

If you have some time to spare[edit]

Would you mind joining IRC?
•–• 10:30, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

I am there. Are you? --SVTCobra 10:37, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Category:Redirects connected to a Wikidata item[edit]

Experimenting with it? The category appears to be populated automatically. --Pi zero (talk) 13:19, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Ah, so it is. I guess I expected to see it as a hidden category when I look at Portal:Microsoft. Cheers, --SVTCobra 13:37, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
Hidden categories are, well, hidden. On any but a category, a hidden category only shows up when you're editing; down at the bottom of the edit panel are default-collapsed lists of templates used and of hidden categories. That list is not, btw, updated by the software to reflect the currently preview, but always reflects the most recently saved version of the page. Or it used to be that way. --Pi zero (talk) 12:14, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
I believe the Foundation people set up that category because their confused thinking about what interwikis are good for has led them to the misapprehension that there is something wrong when a wikidata item links to a redirect, so they're trying to psychologically punish volunteers who cause such things by making them think they've done something wrong (part of the Foundation's unconscious anti-volunteer bigotry; at least, in my experience it's usually unconscious). Hence my hiding the category. --Pi zero (talk) 12:26, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
Aha, a little history. --SVTCobra 12:29, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

My new Username. and apoligies.[edit]

I have left my old name behind thank you SVTCobra. Gollum55 (talk) 20:35, 23 May 2018 (UTC)