Talk:Alleged 'rights group' tries to have 4,000 anti-Scientology videos removed from YouTube

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I am going to e-mail YouTube. I should e-mail Scientology, but those efforst have ben useless in the past. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 19:35, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Also e-mailed the EFF. Also want to note this [1]. Based on my research too, I cannot locate a website, an e-mail address, or a central base of operations for the American Rights Counsel LLC. It would seem that they really have not 'existed' until September 5. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 20:54, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
"Ricklinger Stadtweg" is actually a street in Hanover. --+Deprifry+ 22:59, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I fixed that. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 23:13, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Schaper's location and such, I have decided not to release a link to the differences on Wikipedia because of certain private information that could result in identity theft exists in the link. An e-mail has been sent to another accredited reporter to verify that information. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 23:25, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

I have the e-mail from the Wikipedia user that admins think is Dr. Schaper. The user claims not to be Dr. Schaper. Accredited reporters needing this material can contact me to view it. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:05, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

The quotes from Oliver are exclusive to Wikinews. I have the e-mail from him along with some documents of interest. Accredited reporters can contact me for this information. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 03:28, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

I also e-mailed Mark Bunker. He was affected by this as well. Since no one can tell me what this alleged rights group is, maybe he can. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 18:34, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

No word back from EFF? Cirt (talk) 21:37, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Nope. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 21:38, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Quotes are from an e-mail correspondent with Mark Bunker. Same with all other e-mails, contact me if you would like to see it. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 23:00, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Editing notes[edit]

Edits by NicholasTurnbull (talk · contribs) made the article much better, thanks. Cirt (talk) 17:30, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Indeed...Thanks Nicolas. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:33, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

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Hey guys[edit]

Hey guys, this is ShadowVsScientology from YouTube, also The Shadow on Enturbulation.org. It was a nice surprise to see myself quoted in this article, made me smile. Also I was very surprised to see my video listed in your sources, given its tone and content. However I did note that you had linked to one of the 'mirror' accounts that was hosting the video, I have edited that so that it now links to my own account's version, which I'm sure you'll agree is only fair. But all in all this is a damn fine bit of journalism!

A few quick words on 'oschaper'. Your Wiki user 'oschaper' IS 'oschaper' from YouTube and in fact Dr Oliver Schaper, Esq. I was looking at his talk pages, I did notice his one brief attempt to disguise this fact the, bit where he says that his first name is Olaf and that it is Dr Oliver Schaper that is the Scientologist, not him. However that is undone in several places by his defence of Scientology, not to mention that he created the article on Peephole TV, and listed 'Dr Oliver Schaper' in its key personnel section. Not exactly the sharpest knife in the draw is old Ollie, also if you compare the text in your emails to Dr Schaper vs Wiki's Oschaper you will notice identical styles, as well as poor grammar and spelling (we had a good chuckle when he complained to Enturbulation that his mail room staff had to dispose of packages filled with "fickl matter"!) —Preceding unsigned comment added by ShadowVsScientology (talkcontribs) 02:38, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

You are correct about the YouTube link. It happened to be the first one I came across though. Apologies. On Oschaper, you and others will have to draw that conclusion, or another yourself. Unfortunately there is no available evidence I can retrieve to suggest what you say. Our goal is to not speculate on what could have been or what could be, but what is, with what we can present. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 02:43, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Agree with DragonFire1024 (talk · contribs) - the responses are laid out in the article from the various individuals' statements, the readers will have to make up their own minds. Cirt (talk) 03:05, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Nitpicking[edit]

"does not exist and is run by a man named Dr. Oliver Schaper" <- how can something that doesn't exist be run? I think what is meant by this is that it doesn't exist as a legitimate LLC. It clearly exists, however. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.224.73 (talk) 18:23, 9 September 2008 (UTC)