Talk:Associated Press goes after bloggers for copyright violation

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Original Reporting[edit]

I am going for original reporting content in this story, so it may take a day or more to bring it all together.

I have emailed Jay Walsh and Mike Godwin of the WMF for comment; Eddan Katz of the EFF, and Darren Waters, who is the BBC's technology editor. I've also left a comment on one of the blogs listed as a source with my email address asking one of the affected bloggers to contact me. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:38, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Darren Waters: Out of office until 23rd. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:46, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Emailed Becky Hogge of the UK's Open Rights Group. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:02, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Rogers Cadenhead, who received the DMCA notices got in touch with me. Swapped a couple of emails and content is now in the article. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:37, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Still no response from --Brian McNeil / talk 08:37, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

AP emailed again. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:47, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Questions emailed to the Media Bloggers Association's contact address. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:28, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Mike Godwin declined to comment in his legal capacity due to potential COI. He gave me a new contact at the EFF who I have just emailed. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:44, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Emailed Ty Trippet at Reuters for their take on this. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:47, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Has left Reuters. Mail forwarded to Sophie Brendel per autoresponder. No response today is likely as UK based. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:53, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


For lack of free images of Cadenhead, I added an image of Doctorow, but perhaps it calls too much attention to him. Remove if you like. --SVTCobra 22:06, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

The way it is placed in the article is most appropriate, and he is sufficiently notable for it to be an appropriate use. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:23, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Do not publish[edit]

I am happy to see this bumped up a day or two more to wait on responses to emails I have sent to the EFF and others. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:22, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


I don't often see us quoting chunks of news articles from other organisations, why are we doing in this case? Adambro (talk) 05:27, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

For this particular case I think it is misleading to descibe the document as an article, it is really a press release. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:29, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
50-100 words used - you owe AP $25. (Obviously you do not as it is clear fair use, although the concept seems to be too complicated for AP). Anonymous101 (talk) 16:12, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Calling AP - notes[edit]

I tried to call AP to get a response and got bounced around their phone system something terrible. There was nobody in the legal department to talk to me and I ended up forced to leave a voicemail. I've asked them to email me, but I don't hold out much hope. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:26, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Meeting with the Media Bloggers Association[edit]

This quote is from last week: "Jim Kennedy, the AP's director of strategic planning, said Monday that he planned to meet Thursday with Robert Cox, president of the Media Bloggers Association"

Doesn't that mean that the meeting would have taken place already? If so we should include it in this article. If it was cancelled/postponed we should mention that. --SVTCobra 21:46, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I got no response from the MBA or AP; not seen any other coverage. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:40, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Are you saying these were hard to find?
I am just asking. --SVTCobra 00:06, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
It would be easier to work them in than be a dick --Brian McNeil / talk 00:22, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Excuse me?? I added the sources to the article and added content from them to the artice. So I did work them in. But I specifically asked about what happened with meeting and you said there was no coverage. You said you saw no coverage. I guess I should have just called you lazy. Telling someone "Don't be a dick" is something of a dick-move in itself, as it says on the page you so kindly linked to. --SVTCobra 00:59, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Yup, "don't be a dick" is dickish, sorry. My only excuse was that it was late. We did get congratulated on a good story by Jay Walsh, he felt the piece is well balanced and well written. --Brian McNeil / talk 07:59, 25 June 2008 (UTC)