Talk:German warship undergoes repairs after firing on itself

my sources. For the hard numbers in my data, I looked up the Bremen class Frigate. As for the talk about its roles, I am a naval buff, and with the Canadian Navy, so I used my pre-existing knowledge of that class of vessel.

Rz350 21:00, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, how exactly did it fire at itself? Did an artillery cannon turn towards the...superstructure I think its called and fired? Neebs 22:21, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I can not say for sure, as its not in the sources...but if I had to make an educated guess, the firing solution they where using for anti aircraft engagment was very near to 90 degrees elevation and the shell went up, and came back down on top of the ship. But that is nothing more then a guess, not for the article, but just to answer the question on the talk page.

Rz350 00:50, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

A few observations, from a non-german speaker so I can't read the news reports.

These guns have a wooded arc profile which physically stops the firing mechanism from activating if the barrel is pointing towards the superstructure. For a round to have discharched whilst inside the wooded arc then it's highly likely that the firing mechanism had activated, but the round hadn't actually gone off. Normally described as a hangfire.

In a hangfire situation then the process has started, but not completed and the munition becomes very vulnerable to anything which might cause the process to complete. That could be as simple as moving the gun.

I don't know form memory if the Oto Melara has a percussive or electrical initiation but in either case this could happen.

I hope that helps in interpreting the sources.

Random acts of language 20:20, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I've taken the liberty of tidying a little and adding some more detail.

Random acts of language 20:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

sources in german

I can read enough German that I can substantiate the major points in this article are accurate. --SVTCobra 23:03, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Renaming the article to reflect the "news" portion, which appears to be that she's undergoing repairs - as the actual incident was several weeks ago. Sherurcij 23:07, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

the rename is fine. but just to nitpick, the incident was May 2, so less than two weeks ago, and I think this was the first time the press got wind of it.