Talk:PCC promotes new wave of attacks in Brazil
Noting POV concerns
It is hard to believe that a group would simply promote a wave of attacks - surely they have a motive that is being omitted by the author of this news story. Also, this article seems to mostly reprint what is said by "Secretary of Public Security of São Paulo" - who could be reasonably considered as biased on this issue. Bill3 08:27, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
- sorry, but it's a fact, not something to believe in. PCC is a mafia group, not a political party. there's no pov concern here, just a lack of knowledge. Jacques Divol 10:01, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
- If that's true, then the article must be fixed to not rely on local knowledge. To a non-Brazillians (and last time I checked, that's a significant number of people) this article is not useful and reads like a pamphlet. These "facts" need explaining or referencing, like real news sources do. In particular, the motive has to be mentioned. If they do this for fun, say that. If they do it to scare businesses into giving them protection money, say that. If they are doing it to show that they are the dominant mafia/gang, say that. Bill3 22:12, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
PCC is a true criminal organization whose main leaders are inspired by some ideals of Marxist Revolutions. During Brazilian Militar Regime, the dictatorship put left wing politicals prisioners in jail along ordinary criminals (See: main this and this for some background). Some possible reasons: some PCC leaders dont want to be moved to high security prisons, they do that because they are criminals, political reasons (who knows?). I think that is not an exactly reason for sure. Read what the press has said and get your own personal conclusions.
São Paulo state is bigger than the United Kingdom and most countries in Europe. The news has been broadasted by Reuters and other mainstream media. PCC has some links with the Colombian FARC. It has been reported that the Colombian FARC has some links with Al-Qaeda, Hamas or other radical islamist organizations. Also it has been reported that the FARC has some links (or at least the simpathy) of Cuban, Brazilian and Venezuelan governments. This thing is interesting, isn't it?
Isn't the Secretary of Public of SP (the Police from SP) a trusted source? Off the record: if you think that the numbers released by the Secretary of Public of SP are over exagerated, you also should know that the real numbers are bigger than that.
More sources below:
- Folha de SP
- O Estado de SP
- Estado de SP (photos)
- Brazilian Parliament
- Agencia Brasil (Brazilian government press service)
- Isto É
- PCC (video)
- Workers Party and PCC, parliament discussions. Opposition leaders speculated very possible but not confirmed liasons between Workers Party and PCC (video)
I could find a lot more, however in Portuguese. Unfortunately I dont have too much time.
Some English sources I could find
I know it is difficult for you non-Portuguese speakers. However you must understand that it is not my fault if English media doesn't report what happens here in Brazil. I just try to do my best, my time is scarse, it is difficult to me too finding English sources so other people can understand. I dont blame you, you are right in certain aspects, but you have to understand that I am alone here and just do what I can. I would like to do more, but I cant.
If you think that this thing is not possible, I cant do anything except stop contributing. There should be a better system so stories from non-English countries could be checked. I cant do it alone. That is my suggestion for you. Excuse my English. Thank you.--Carlosar 15:00, 28 July 2006 (UTC)