Talk:Welsh TV pioneer Owen Edwards dies at age 76

Fair use image

Wackywace quite rightly unlinked the BBC Wales station ident, as it was anachronistic (c.2005-2010?), so probably outside our fair use guideline.

However, if a free image of Mr Edwards does not exist, I would welcome a fair use publicity photo of Mr Edwards, or a contemporary (c.1990) station ident or screenshot of S4C.

--InfantGorilla (talk) 12:42, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Welsh source?

Is there info you took from the Welsh language source that isn't in the English?

I ask because I would be willing to place a small bet that there isn't a reviewer literate in Welsh, and we prefer not to rely on machine translation. Therefore I expect most people won't put it high in their personal review queues, unless you offer a hand translation of the necessary sentence(s).

--InfantGorilla (talk) 12:48, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

My comment is not intended to be jingoistic or downplay Edwards's support for the Welsh language. I think even if we do choose to remove facts only available in the Welsh source, it would be appropriate to have a Welsh language obit in 'External links'.

--InfantGorilla (talk) 13:01, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, I have moderate Welsh, but I'm not a reviewer (any more).... so your money is just-about safe! Bencherlite (talk) 13:23, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

No, their is no infomation taken from a Welsh source. All the infomation is from the two sources provided. Chandlerjoeyross (talk) 14:55, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

On second note, the third source (the one actully in Welsh that you are proberly refering to) was not added by me. Chandlerjoeyross (talk) 15:20, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I added the Welsh source, because it's the only one which supplies information as to the cause of Edward's death, which was "Glefyd Parkinson", or Parkinson's disease, which he'd suffered from for in excess of 20 years. I don't see why we can't use a Welsh source, I have a story on here with a source in Tok Pisin, which I think i'm one of the rare few who can read it. But it's still there. Welsh is more mainstream I'd say. BarkingFish (talk) 15:30, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

When we had previous discussions about this the consensus seemed to be that a reviewer would need a grasp of the source language "better than tourist." The machine translation (Google) is:

Roedd wedi dioddef o Glefyd Parkinson ers mwy nac 20 mlynedd. to He had suffered from Parkinson's Disease for more than 20 years.

That doesn't sound like a certain 'cause of death' to me (though it may well be: I read that advanced Parkinson's is very serious indeed but I know as little about medicine as I do the Welsh language.)

Bencherlite: could you shed some light for whoever reviews it by offering an independent human translation of the relevant fact(s), please? (I came so close to losing my money, I am pleased to say!)

--InfantGorilla (talk) 16:28, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Dwi'n medru dweud bod Google yn cywir. ("I can say that Google is right.") Whether it's a cause of death, though, is another matter. Bencherlite (talk) 17:22, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

--Diolch, Bencherlite. I took the first section of the report -- "Bu farw'r darlledwr Owen Edwards yn 76 oed. Roedd wedi dioddef o Glefyd Parkinson ers mwy nac 20 mlynedd." (The broadcaster Owen Edwards has died aged 76. He had suffered with Parkinson's disease for over 20 years.) as being a direct suggestion to the reader that this was what caused his death. My Welsh is passable, just about, but not quite up to the standard of fluency I'd have needed to be certain. My apologies for the confusion! BarkingFish (talk) 18:00, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Resolved.

OK. I doubt your Welsh fluency has anything to do with it, so I don't think there is any need to apologize. I think it is quite common for an obit to suggest the cause of death to the reader while actually describing relevant closing stages of the person's life: I assume the reason is that though the cause may appear obvious to the reporter, it is for a doctor or inquest to determine cause of death, and that is not always done in time for an obit. --InfantGorilla (talk) 06:46, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

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Revision 1087439 of this article has been reviewed by InfantGorilla (talk · contribs) and has passed its review at 08:25, 2 September 2010 (UTC). Copyright: Passed Newsworthiness: Passed Verifiability: Passed NPOV: Passed Style: Passed Comments by reviewer: I needed to replace the quotes, to avoid similarity to a BBC article. This does well to bring some little reported UK news to a wider audience. It is a shame this goes live without an image: let's add one or two fair use ones. The reviewed revision should automatically have been edited by removing {{Review}} and adding {{Publish}} at the bottom, and the edit sighted; if this did not happen, it may be done manually by a reviewer.

Revision 1087439 of this article has been reviewed by InfantGorilla (talk · contribs) and has passed its review at 08:25, 2 September 2010 (UTC). Copyright: Passed Newsworthiness: Passed Verifiability: Passed NPOV: Passed Style: Passed Comments by reviewer: I needed to replace the quotes, to avoid similarity to a BBC article. This does well to bring some little reported UK news to a wider audience. It is a shame this goes live without an image: let's add one or two fair use ones. The reviewed revision should automatically have been edited by removing {{Review}} and adding {{Publish}} at the bottom, and the edit sighted; if this did not happen, it may be done manually by a reviewer.