Talk:YouTube accounts of Scientology critics suspended

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I am e-mailing youtube, Bunker and Christman. I am also uploading a screenshot. You can go to youtube and search for 'xenutv1' which is Bunker's account to see the red tag "account suspended.' DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 22:45, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

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  • Mark Bunker:
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"I want to see the complaint and on what grounds did YouTube suspend my account. I have done nothing on that account that would violate any of their terms and my videos and account should not have been pulled. The only caveat to this is my first account "XenuTV" was suspended a while back for a Steven Cobert video I had from Comedy Central. At that time I created XenuTV1 and according to YouTubes terms you can only have one account. Any time I have ever been asked to remove something that may violate their terms for copyright materials, I comply immediately. It would be wrong and a misuse of power to pull my account because of this lone loophole in their terms."
  • YouTube's first response (press@youtube.com):
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Hi Jason,

I'll try to get back to you ASAP, but can you please let me know what is your deadline?

Thanks

DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 23:17, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Critics respond via YouTube. E-mail sent to youtube for further response:
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Jason Safoutin wrote:

Hello xxxx. I must admit, that I have little time. there have been replies from both Mr. Bunker and Mrs. Christman posted to your website in their own videos.

In all fairness, I hope that YouTube would reply so that we may accurately report your side of the issue.

Thanks again, Jason Safoutin
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We're doing our best to get back to you asap, we'll get you our statement once it's ready. Thanks for your patience.

DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:11, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

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Here's our statement on the issue, attributable to a "YouTube spokesperson": YouTube takes these issues very seriously but we don't comment on individual videos. Our general approach is simple: we have clear content policies about what videos are allowed on the site. For example we prohibit clips that infringe copyright or show extreme violence. Videos that breach these rules are removed and we disable all accounts belonging to repeat offenders.

DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:33, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


  • Tory Christman: Interview performed on Skype.

  • Anonymous source: Information regarding 4chan.org. Close to operation so has to remain anonymous.

Image (screenshot)[edit]

I think the screenshot should be cropped so that it does not show other copyrighted material, such as Mozilla and Google and their logos. --SVTCobra 23:22, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Potential sources[edit]

Could be used as potential sources for stuff, if need be, will list below. Cirt - (talk) 23:51, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Tory Christman interview[edit]

Interview with Tory Christman took place on Skype, with DragonFire1024 (talk · contribs) and Cirt (talk · contribs). The interview ran for 8:40 minutes and finished at 12:56 UTC April 18, 2008. Cirt - (talk) 02:09, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Digg IT[edit]

Digg IT!. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 04:49, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Ping[edit]

Ping

ToryMagoo suspended again[edit]

http://www.youtube.com/user/ToryMagoo44 ToyMagoo's account has been suspended again. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by EvilHom3r (talkcontribs)

Well I just checked and it appears to be accessible at the moment. Cirt - (talk) 08:08, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

ok, aparently they were deleting ToryMagoo69 (a scientologist imitating tory) and they accedently deleted her account insted of the imposter —The preceding unsigned comment was added by EvilHom3r (talkcontribs)

Ah, thanks for the clarification. Cirt - (talk) 08:20, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

FOX News[edit]

Neat that we got this article out before FOX News covered it - looks like they were doing a lot of the exact same research at the same time. Cirt - (talk) 09:05, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Yeah looks like. Or they just changed what we had and added it to their site while we were waiting for replies. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 10:30, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Nah, it's clear they did a bit of their own digging from the article. Cirt - (talk) 10:37, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Gawker.com[edit]

Minor tidbits of some info not in this article - looks like it was posted sometime around the same time that this article was published. A nice piece. Cirt - (talk) 13:09, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
2 previous posts on the same topic at Gawker.com, in the category Jason Beghe. Cirt - (talk) 13:14, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Times Online[edit]

Wow, multiple major news sources have now piled on this story after we published. This is really neat to follow. Cirt - (talk) 13:35, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Just wish we get quoted and also wish that they would give us the credit for breaking this story. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 18:33, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Cause[edit]

Not sure if you can use this as any sort of appropriate source, but it's been said that the issue apparently arose because of a copyright infringement (featuring Stephen Colbert) on Mark Bunker's old account, combined with the fact that he's currently using a second account against regulations. It remains unclear who instigated the investigation that lead to a suspension on these grounds, however. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.211.210.48 (talk) 05:38, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Well there is a bit of that info in this article already, and I'd rather no go changing the content of this article at this point, but it might be something potential for another article at some point. Cirt - (talk) 06:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

GlossLip update[edit]

Will continue following this to see if it gets more exposure in mainstream news/media. Cirt - (talk) 08:12, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Image:Mark Bunker YouTube suspended.jpg[edit]

I've removed this image because I would question the value of it to our readers. All it says is "Account suspended", there is no indication of whose account it refers to and so it doesn't really add much to the story. I'd also note that even to read the relevant part of the image readers have to click on the thumbnail. I don't think this benefits readers enough to justify it's inclusion or it's use under "fair use". Adambro - (talk) 09:47, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay no prob. Cirt - (talk) 09:51, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

New Account[edit]

That is NOT a new account and it is NOT Mark Bunker. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 22:52, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

GlossLip to interview Mark Bunker on radio program[edit]

Per the source, they will be discussing the events described in this article, the Jason Beghe interview video, Bunker's YouTube account being suspended, etc. Cirt - (talk) 07:30, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Mark Bunker post on his blog 'My YouTube Account'[edit]

Lots of additional info here from Bunker himself. Cirt - (talk) 07:38, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[1] Same post has more updates. And also some great detailed explanations here: [2], [3], [4]. Cirt (talk) 14:13, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Jason Beghe Interview at Xenu TV blog[edit]

Interview in 6 parts. Cirt - (talk) 10:47, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Brief post by Tony Ortega of The Village Voice on the release of the full interview. Cirt - (talk) 14:23, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Also has links to prior articles on subject in same publication. Cirt - (talk) 17:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Okay now the Los Angeles Times has taken notice. Cirt - (talk) 23:33, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Interesting article in FOX News. Cirt - (talk) 11:18, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

'Help me, Stephen Colbert. You're my only hope'[edit]

Article discusses a little more about the Stephen Colbert connection to this whole thing, quite interesting. Cirt - (talk) 14:29, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
More on the Stephen Colbert connection. Cirt - (talk) 19:07, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

False Report[edit]

Bunker going down on youtube had nothing to do with Scientology but with the fact that Viacom shot him down for copyright violations not related to Scientology. Not that the truth would be of interest to anybody here. Misou - (talk) 16:40, 23 April 2008 (UTC) "If you wish to point out a problem in the article (e.g. factual error, etc), please use its normal talk page." Here you go. Misou - (talk) 01:04, 24 April 2008 (UTC) Source, BTW, is Mark Bunker. Misou - (talk) 01:04, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I fail to see how your above statement has anything to do with anything specifically stated in this article itself. Cirt - (talk) 05:14, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

With Enough Money, You Can Circumvent YouTube’s TOS On Banned Accounts[edit]

Double-standards at YouTube? This source delves into that controversy a bit more, quite interesting. Cirt - (talk) 19:10, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

We don't know if this means they're no longer petitioning the service to take down clips it doesn't like, but Scientology says the purpose of its channel is to "share the truth about Scientology's beliefs with the general public."

An interesting question, citing the article in The Times - Jason Beghe Scientology video removed from YouTube. Cirt - (talk) 19:10, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

XenuTV returns to YouTube[edit]

An interesting development in this ongoing saga. Cirt (talk) 09:26, 3 June 2008 (UTC)