Talk:YouTube accounts of Scientology critics suspended

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I am e-mailing youtube, Bunker and Christman. I am also uploading a screenshot. You can go to youtube and search for 'xenutv1' which is Bunker's account to see the red tag "account suspended.' DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 22:45, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

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• Mark Bunker:

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"I want to see the complaint and on what grounds did YouTube suspend my account. I have done nothing on that account that would violate any of their terms and my videos and account should not have been pulled. The only caveat to this is my first account "XenuTV" was suspended a while back for a Steven Cobert video I had from Comedy Central. At that time I created XenuTV1 and according to YouTubes terms you can only have one account. Any time I have ever been asked to remove something that may violate their terms for copyright materials, I comply immediately. It would be wrong and a misuse of power to pull my account because of this lone loophole in their terms."

• YouTube's first response (press@youtube.com):

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Hi Jason,

I'll try to get back to you ASAP, but can you please let me know what is your deadline?

Thanks

DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 23:17, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

• Critics respond via YouTube. E-mail sent to youtube for further response:

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Jason Safoutin wrote:

Hello xxxx. I must admit, that I have little time. there have been replies from both Mr. Bunker and Mrs. Christman posted to your website in their own videos.

In all fairness, I hope that YouTube would reply so that we may accurately report your side of the issue.

Thanks again, Jason Safoutin

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We're doing our best to get back to you asap, we'll get you our statement once it's ready. Thanks for your patience.

DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:11, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

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Here's our statement on the issue, attributable to a "YouTube spokesperson": YouTube takes these issues very seriously but we don't comment on individual videos. Our general approach is simple: we have clear content policies about what videos are allowed on the site. For example we prohibit clips that infringe copyright or show extreme violence. Videos that breach these rules are removed and we disable all accounts belonging to repeat offenders.

DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:33, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

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• Tory Christman: Interview performed on Skype.

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• Anonymous source: Information regarding 4chan.org. Close to operation so has to remain anonymous.

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I think the screenshot should be cropped so that it does not show other copyrighted material, such as Mozilla and Google and their logos. --SVTCobra 23:22, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Potential sources

Could be used as potential sources for stuff, if need be, will list below. Cirt - (talk) 23:51, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

• "Youtube is Censoring Online Critics (again)" — Pittsburgh Bloggers, April 16, 2008
• shane.vincent. "YouTube cancels account of former Scientologist" — Global Toad News, April 16, 2008
• Richard Ford. "Scientology go to war with You Tube." — scientologyworld.com, April 16, 2008
• revanchist. "YouTube Unbans Tory Magoo" — echo chamber, April 16, 2008
• "Tory Magoo Suspended from YouTube" — Temple of Xenu, April 16, 2008
• "torymagoo44 account suspended" — Enturbulation.org Activism Forums, April 16, 2008

Tory Christman interview

Interview with Tory Christman took place on Skype, with DragonFire1024 (talk · contribs) and Cirt (talk · contribs). The interview ran for 8:40 minutes and finished at 12:56 UTC April 18, 2008. Cirt - (talk) 02:09, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Digg IT

Digg IT!. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 04:49, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Ping

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• www.huliq.com
• www.mister-info.com
• mensnewsdaily.com
• Formae Mentis.
• Sydney Indymedia
• silobreaker
• anarchy.net
• newsvine.com
• reddit.com
• daylife.com
• World Student Press Agency

ToryMagoo suspended again

http://www.youtube.com/user/ToryMagoo44 ToyMagoo's account has been suspended again. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by EvilHom3r (talk • contribs)

Well I just checked and it appears to be accessible at the moment. Cirt - (talk) 08:08, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

ok, aparently they were deleting ToryMagoo69 (a scientologist imitating tory) and they accedently deleted her account insted of the imposter —The preceding unsigned comment was added by EvilHom3r (talk • contribs)

Ah, thanks for the clarification. Cirt - (talk) 08:20, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

FOX News

• Roger Friedman. "Cruise, Travolta: Homo-novis" — FOX News, April 18, 2008

Neat that we got this article out before FOX News covered it - looks like they were doing a lot of the exact same research at the same time. Cirt - (talk) 09:05, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah looks like. Or they just changed what we had and added it to their site while we were waiting for replies. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 10:30, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Nah, it's clear they did a bit of their own digging from the article. Cirt - (talk) 10:37, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Gawker.com

• Ryan Tate. "Jason Beghe's Anti-Scientology Video Cancelled In YouTube's Area" — Gawker.com, April 17, 2008

Minor tidbits of some info not in this article - looks like it was posted sometime around the same time that this article was published. A nice piece. Cirt - (talk) 13:09, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

• Ryan Tate. "Celebrity Ex-Scientologist: "Let Will Smith Know That His Shit Was Fucking Recorded"" — Gawker.com, April 16, 2008
• Ryan Tate. "Actor OT V: "If Scientology Is Real, Something Is Fucked Up"" — Gawker.com, April 14, 2008

2 previous posts on the same topic at Gawker.com, in the category Jason Beghe. Cirt - (talk) 13:14, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Times Online

• Veronica Schmidt. "Jason Beghe Scientology video removed from YouTube" — Times Online, April 18, 2008

Wow, multiple major news sources have now piled on this story after we published. This is really neat to follow. Cirt - (talk) 13:35, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Just wish we get quoted and also wish that they would give us the credit for breaking this story. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 18:33, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Cause

Not sure if you can use this as any sort of appropriate source, but it's been said that the issue apparently arose because of a copyright infringement (featuring Stephen Colbert) on Mark Bunker's old account, combined with the fact that he's currently using a second account against regulations. It remains unclear who instigated the investigation that lead to a suspension on these grounds, however. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.211.210.48 (talk) 05:38, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Well there is a bit of that info in this article already, and I'd rather no go changing the content of this article at this point, but it might be something potential for another article at some point. Cirt - (talk) 06:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

GlossLip update

• "Mark Bunker, XenuTV.Com, Youtube, Scientology Saga Continues" — GlossLip, April 18, 2008

Will continue following this to see if it gets more exposure in mainstream news/media. Cirt - (talk) 08:12, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Image:Mark Bunker YouTube suspended.jpg

I've removed this image because I would question the value of it to our readers. All it says is "Account suspended", there is no indication of whose account it refers to and so it doesn't really add much to the story. I'd also note that even to read the relevant part of the image readers have to click on the thumbnail. I don't think this benefits readers enough to justify it's inclusion or it's use under "fair use". Adambro - (talk) 09:47, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay no prob. Cirt - (talk) 09:51, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

New Account

• http://de.youtube.com/user/xenutruth9 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.177.180.216 (talk) 22:45, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

That is NOT a new account and it is NOT Mark Bunker. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 22:52, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

GlossLip to interview Mark Bunker on radio program

• "GLOSSLIP RADIO EXCLUSIVE: Mark Bunker, XenuTv.Com, April 20th, Sunday, 10:00pm EST" — GlossLip, April 20, 2008

Per the source, they will be discussing the events described in this article, the Jason Beghe interview video, Bunker's YouTube account being suspended, etc. Cirt - (talk) 07:30, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Mark Bunker post on his blog 'My YouTube Account'

• Mark Bunker. "My YouTube Account" — The Wog Blog from Xenu TV, April 19, 2008

Lots of additional info here from Bunker himself. Cirt - (talk) 07:38, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[1] Same post has more updates. And also some great detailed explanations here: [2], [3], [4]. Cirt (talk) 14:13, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Jason Beghe Interview at Xenu TV blog

• Mark Bunker. "Jason Beghe Interview" — The Wog Blog from Xenu TV, April 21, 2008

Interview in 6 parts. Cirt - (talk) 10:47, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

• Tony Ortega. "Jason Beghe on Scientology: The Full Interview" — The Village Voice, April 21, 2008

Brief post by Tony Ortega of The Village Voice on the release of the full interview. Cirt - (talk) 14:23, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

• Tyler Gray. "Jason Beghe's Scientology Interview in Full" — Radar Online, April 21, 2008

Also has links to prior articles on subject in same publication. Cirt - (talk) 17:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

• Web Scout. "Jason Beghe, Scientology's newest critic; Norway joins the fray" — Los Angeles Times, April 22, 2008

Okay now the Los Angeles Times has taken notice. Cirt - (talk) 23:33, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

• Roger Friedman. "Jason Beghe: Scientology a 'Con'" — FOX News, April 22, 2008

Interesting article in FOX News. Cirt - (talk) 11:18, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

'Help me, Stephen Colbert. You're my only hope'

• Cade Metz. "Anti-Scientology crusader vaporized from YouTube: 'Help me, Stephen Colbert. You're my only hope'" — The Register, April 24, 2008

Article discusses a little more about the Stephen Colbert connection to this whole thing, quite interesting. Cirt - (talk) 14:29, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

• "XenuTV.com’s Mark Bunker Makes Appeal To TV Personality Steven Colbert For Help" — GlossLip, April 24, 2008

More on the Stephen Colbert connection. Cirt - (talk) 19:07, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

False Report

Bunker going down on youtube had nothing to do with Scientology but with the fact that Viacom shot him down for copyright violations not related to Scientology. Not that the truth would be of interest to anybody here. Misou - (talk) 16:40, 23 April 2008 (UTC) "If you wish to point out a problem in the article (e.g. factual error, etc), please use its normal talk page." Here you go. Misou - (talk) 01:04, 24 April 2008 (UTC) Source, BTW, is Mark Bunker. Misou - (talk) 01:04, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I fail to see how your above statement has anything to do with anything specifically stated in this article itself. Cirt - (talk) 05:14, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

With Enough Money, You Can Circumvent YouTube’s TOS On Banned Accounts

• "With Enough Money, You Can Circumvent YouTube’s TOS On Banned Accounts" — GlossLip, April 30, 2008

Double-standards at YouTube? This source delves into that controversy a bit more, quite interesting. Cirt - (talk) 19:10, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

• Michael Learmonth. "Scientology: We Can Use YouTube, Too (GOOG)" — Silicon Alley Insider, April 29, 2008

We don't know if this means they're no longer petitioning the service to take down clips it doesn't like, but Scientology says the purpose of its channel is to "share the truth about Scientology's beliefs with the general public."

An interesting question, citing the article in The Times - Jason Beghe Scientology video removed from YouTube. Cirt - (talk) 19:10, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

XenuTV returns to YouTube

• Mark Bunker. "Wise Beard Man Returns to YouTube" — YouTube, June 3, 2008
• Dawn Olsen. "The Return Of XenuTV To YouTube - Mark Bunker’s Account Reinstated" — GlossLip, June 3, 2008
• Mark Bunker. "XENUTV's Channel" — YouTube, accessed June 3, 2008
• Mark Bunker. "xenutv1's Channel" — YouTube, accessed June 3, 2008

An interesting development in this ongoing saga. Cirt (talk) 09:26, 3 June 2008 (UTC)