Patriot, or terrorist?

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Patriot, or terrorist?

It's a discussion worth having.

206.74.5.136 (talk)05:46, 19 February 2010

I think he was a tea partier more or less, even though some of his opinions were left of Tea Party standard. That being said, this is what happens when a movement goes around preaching revolution - they wind up with the nuts taking them too literally. :-/

192.12.88.7 (talk)05:59, 19 February 2010
 

100% Patriot. He died because of the completely unintelligible tax code. There should be a bronze statue of him right in front of the IRS complex in Washington D.C. - so that every IRS employee going to work that day pass by his statue.

174.17.222.58 (talk)01:33, 20 February 2010
 

By definition, terrorist. He did cause terror to IRS employees and he did cause deaths.

Mikemoral♪♫01:39, 20 February 2010
 

Speaking of which, it annoys me when the gov't goes around saying "this wasn't an act of terrorism" about acts that are clearly terrorism. It wasn't an act of "foreign terrorism" nor "Islamic terrorism" but - for fuck's sake - yes, it was an act of terrorism. It was meant to instill fear in people ... aka terrorize them. --SVTCobra 03:37, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

SVTCobra03:37, 20 February 2010
 

The government's saying it's not terrorism!? That effing stupid. Look it up in Wiktionary or Webster's. Isn't this "domestic terrorism" or whatever it's called.

Mikemoral♪♫03:41, 20 February 2010
 

At least local government ... it's not even related to terrorism ... see this report. --SVTCobra 03:45, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

SVTCobra03:45, 20 February 2010
 

terrorism, noun

  1. The deliberate commission of an act of violence to create an emotional response through the suffering of the victims in the furtherance of a political or social agenda.
  2. Violence against civilians to achieve military or political objectives.

From Wiktionary

How does this not fit the definition. Isolated act? It seems there already was a copycat act in Calif. (then again I'm not sure of the circumstances as the suspect was carted off from LAX to San Diego.)

Mikemoral♪♫03:49, 20 February 2010
 

You are right. Here's a youtube of same. In their defense, they are trying to convey that it is not another 9/11. However, isn't it time we grow the fuck up and realize that Osama bin-Laden isn't the only terrorist in the world.

SVTCobra03:58, 20 February 2010
 

I'd be pretty fucking terrified (oh there's that word again!) if some guy flew a plane into a nearby government office such as the courthouse where I'm at. I remember being freaked out by the idea the 9/11 occurred.

And to quote a YouTuber, "What planet does this tyrannt live on.There is more danger from patriots than muslims."

Think back to the woman's suffragettes of England. Those women broke window as an example. If that's not terrorism, the what is? I think it is a "furtherance of a political or social agenda."

Mikemoral♪♫04:04, 20 February 2010

The United Kingdom. Not England.

Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs)11:49, 20 February 2010
 

I don't know about the "There is more danger from patriots than muslims" bit, but I think perhaps we should roll back women's suffrage. It seems that we were terrorized into accepting that.

SVTCobra04:14, 20 February 2010
 

Well, that was a bit much. Naw, if the were rolled-back there'd more woman suffragettes and history doesn't need to repeat itself there. (On a side note, woman's fight for suffrage was featured as the opener of Mary Poppins methinks.)

Mikemoral♪♫04:18, 20 February 2010
 

Ahah! You've let the terrorists win! You are no longer willing to fight because you think there will be more of them. Mary Poppins be damned!  ;-)

SVTCobra04:26, 20 February 2010
 

Really it's what history tells me what is right.

But super-radicalist things like this guy did aren't going to be made into a G-rated (General Audiences for the UKers) family film.

Mikemoral♪♫04:37, 20 February 2010

I can definitely see the Tea Party being something future movies looking back on this period would feature.

206.74.5.136 (talk)02:09, 21 February 2010
 

Both.

He held an honest belief, albeit wrongly, that he was taking the best course of action for the greater good - with the exception of the attempted murders of his family, which I think are being overlooked here. He was standing up for what he believed in.

Patriot.

His method was to try and kill, maim and destroy, preferably spectacularly, in a manner designed to shock onlookers. His aim was to bring fear to the authorities.

Terrorist.

By the way, the US may well have a legal definition of terrorism. It's that sort of place. That may be more or less restrictive than the dictionary definition. If so, the government would be correct to say that it was not an act of terrorism, provided that was the definition they were referring to.

Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs)11:55, 20 February 2010