Comments:Australian teenager sentenced to three months in jail for graffiti
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Broken English is the Voice of Reason. - Don't lock up 2shie!!! 
It seems obvious that the cafe owner, Ms. Wang with her broken english, is the voice of reason. Three months in jail costs the state money and introduces them to a whole new culture. Which (as non-violent first time offenders) they will have enough time to have to adapt to. Having them lose a number of their precious saturdays, scrubbing graffiti would also help alleviate graffiti's half billion dollar cleaning cost. It's your money Australia use it wisely. Nick Wheeler, NYC —184.108.40.206 12:17, 4 February 2009 (UTC) Many are caught,all end up scrubbing and the problem grows-ColJohnKeyes (talk)
Give Her A Break! 
I think that with her being a first time offender that she needs to be cut a break because every teenager messes up, and she isn't the first and won't be the last. I know that when I was 14 I did some vandilism, and I got cut a break. I'm 17 now and if it wasn't for my break I wouldn't be the young man that I am today. I hope that everything works out for you Cheyne.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.127.116.11 (talk • contribs) She has been 'cut a break' 3 months is very lenient-ColJohnKeyes (talk) 19:25, 5 February 2009 (UTC) Kids today don't get punished for anything anymore. When I was growing up I got whipped for the smallest things. After only a few times I stayed out of trouble and was very close to my parents growing up. Lock her up. She needs discipline in her life. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 18.104.22.168 (talk • contribs) Thats the spirit, a good flogging will sort her out,in public preferably-ColJohnKeyes (talk)
You have to be Joking - What was the Judge thinking 
At this age and an offense like this Jail will do that person more harm than good.
3 months for graffiti 
Tagging is not sophisticated urban art,it is not art of any sort and it's certainly not irrepressable self expression but simply selfish vandalism.Smear your name (Tag)on somebody elses property even ordinary working peoples garden walls,fence, house, business and selfish adolescents think their suddenly 'so cool'.In some urban areas every wall, door, signpost,bus,toilet and even garbage bins are tagged with the idiotic scrawl, usually translated as 'pinhead was here'. 3 months in jail, more than reasonable and despite not having been caught before this one is a repeat offender so has got off lightly. Of course it's sad for her but selfish behaviour must carry it's own reward and if as a bonus it deters other compulsive name signers then so much the better. No doubt a stream of bleeding heart liberal, politically correct bourgeoisie will protest this and no doubt none of them will have been subjected to tagging. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ColJohnKeyes (talk • contribs)
graffiti girl gets 3 months 
Girl tags wall and gets 3 months in jail.Is this 'fair'?, of course it's not. But she's become the focus of community anger over the selfish,arrogant and 'I'm so clever' behaviour of adolescents who confuse scrawling their name over any vertical surface with art and repeating the act as creativity.Despoiling the work of other people wantonly and sneakily,usually at night is just wrong and shows an attitude of absolute selfishness.What does a Tag say? It says " look at me, look at me, I'm so clever and your property is now advertising me for all to see,I'm so clever look,my name is everywhere I'm a star.To the more mature amongst us and those who have actually been educated in things like social responsibility and civic duty it says vandalism,it looks ugly and it spoils the hard work of those who have made those signs, painted those walls, spent their wages on attractive sandstone walls only to get up the very next day after laying dozens of heavy blocks and finding that someone has sprayed it with incomprehensible squiggles in a permanent vivid blue solvent based paint. You can't educate these selfish,destructive idiots in doing the right thing, they already know it's wrong but they don't care.Like any group of selfish destructive arrogant people anywhere they only truly understand the effect of their actions when it's done to them, when their precious property is defiled.The easiest way to upset a tagger is to vandalise their little moniker, add a flower and a couple of smiley faces and watch the dismay and anger and incomprehension.Then give them 3 months in jail,for spite and because it makes us feel better, a bit of justice for once.-ColJohnKeyes (talk) 19:11, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Oh my... 
The best punishment would be having her clean all the mess she's done so far plus something like shaving her hair and oblige her to take esperanto courses. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 22.214.171.124 (talk • contribs)
Deserves everything she gets 
Ladies and gentlemen, the soft approach of "There-there, it was only a minor crime. It didn't hurt anybody. Here, let's hold your hand, give you a big hug to comfort you because you got caught, and then let you back on the streets so you can do it all again" is getting old very fast. She's 18 years old, making her an adult in the eyes of the law. She's likely done the same thing in the past and thinks she can get off with a slap on the wrist yet again. This sorts of selfish individual scoff at law enforcement, have no regard for other people and their property... it needs to stop, and the only way to induce respect for the law is to use the force behind it, otherwise all you end up with is what we have now - repeat offenders that breed criminals.
Rehabilitation does not work, and when that finally dawns on the powers-that-be, offenders are going to be in for a nasty suprise, much like this 'fine and upstanding citizen' was. I heartily praise the judge behind the gavel in this case. Bravo indeed.
Bravo you say?!! Well then, one day you will find that same injustice breathing down your neck. Because the injustice you would have perpetrated onto others will some day be perpetrated against you. What you would permit as harm to another will one day come to harm you. That's karma. God save your pitiless soul..
Common Law Australia 
If someone causes harm or loss they should pay for the harm or loss. The cafe owner wanted $200 for damages. If that represents her loss then the teenager girl should meet that cost, and that should be the end of it. For the state to step in and punish the teenager beyond that is completely immoral. And to send her to jail as an example to others is absolutely criminal. These crimes against the public by the courts need to be addressed by the people who form the commonwealth, and if the legal system doesn't listen to the people of the commonwealth it should be completely removed from our land. We the people form the indissoluble commonwealth of Australia. All subsequent organisations exist at our pleasure for our service. What displeases the people should be removed from society. The time has come to remove the corrupt Admiralty law -state imposed legal system, and go back to common law. Mathew 7:12 “So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law” This is the whole foundation of common law. Do not cause harm or loss. Failing that take responsibility and be accountable for harm or loss caused by you. And when an organisation like the courts harms one of us, we need to act as one and force the institution to be accountable for its crimes. Touch one touch all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 03:00, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
- That's a nice sentiment, which I completely disagree with. Teenagers these days see any back step as another point in their perpetual rebellion against their elders, which your statement suggests. "Take responsibility and be accountable for harm or loss caused by you" is exactly what is NOT happening with so many of today's teenagers. The prolonged softly, softly approach that has been espoused by governments and many family groups is obviously not working. "Remove the legal system from the land if it doesn't listen to the people"? What a ridiculous statement to make. Living by the bible is fine in a largely religious community, but enforcing your christian beliefs in a multi-denomination, and an increasingly atheist, society like Australia's is arrogant beyond belief.
- I say a good public caning would do a world more good. It's reminiscent of the American teenager who was arrested for graffiti in Singapore. He was sentenced to 20 lashes with the cane in public which the government enforced despite the US government's protests. Better still, grafitti her house and get her to clean it off. --188.8.131.52 11:15, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
- There's a certain temptation to view a little retributive vandalism as appropriate justice, but it's stepping into "mobster justice". Real justice, as it has evolved to today, is a mix of punishment, prevention, and correction. Community service might, in this case, have been more appropriate; perhaps like the UK village shopkeeper who made kids sign bottles and wrappers so they could be identified if they littered - and then made to do a litter cleanup run. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:02, 16 April 2009 (UTC)