Talk:Russian photographer Viktor Pinchuk presents exhibition The Architectural Art of the Vanished Civilizations of Mesoamerica

Notes

I confirm that I was indeed present there.

Video confirming the content of the first quote (the words spoken are fully recorded in the text of the quote): https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Вишневская_Е._Б._(фрагмент_речи).webm
Video confirming the content of the second quote (the quoted words start from the 21st second): https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Пинчук_В._В._(фрагмент_речи).webm Виктор Пинчук (talk) 17:57, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

I had to cut the Ru24 source, as you were listed as its author, so citing it would be circular sourcing, which isn't workable. That was apparently the only source that verified the focal event — the presentation — actually happened, rather than referring to it as a future event (in a pinch, having just one source to verify the focal event actually happened alongside at least one that "strongly anticipates" it may be acceptable, but that isn't currently the situation here). I would prefer if you expanded the OR notes above, though — there's a rule of thumb that it's better to provide more documentation (like videos or notes) than is needed. Heavy Water (talk) 06:15, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Two short videos (links above) confirm that the event really took place. Виктор Пинчук (talk) 06:40, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

I think taken together all these will work. Thanks. Heavy Water (talk) 18:06, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

The virtual photo exhibition lasted for an hour. The event was attended by 12 people. Unfortunately, few people are interested in the topic of the history of Mesoamerica, and besides, it was late, so it was not possible to gather a larger number of listeners. The Chairman of the Russian Historical Society was also not present, despite my requests: he was in Alushta, where the “Night of Arts” was also held at the local history museum. Виктор Пинчук (talk) 15:05, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

There are only two videos: I did not film anything unnecessary, setting out to visually confirm the quotes used in the text. But doesn’t my photo report confirm that the event happened? Description added. Виктор Пинчук (talk) 15:05, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

"Виртуально пройдя вместе с автором фоторабот часть маршрута осуществленной им одиночной латиноамериканской экспедиции, мы, на какое-то время почувствуем себя путешественниками, проникнемся атмосферой дальних странствий и ощутим дух древности, будто оказавшись там, среди них, далеких и непонятных нам, – талантливых в архитектуре, жестоких в жертвоприношениях, мудрых и воинственных – майя, ацтеков и миштеков." (quote).
Indeed, these two words are present here. What is the problem? Виктор Пинчук (talk) 09:41, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

In the Borisovna video, what I hear at 0:16 doesn't sound like время and what I hear at 0:38 to 0:40 doesn't sound like жертвоприношениях. Heavy Water (talk) 19:04, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Actually I just rewatched the video and it sounds like this is an accurate transcription. It was late at night. Sorry to waste your time. Heavy Water (talk) 05:21, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

for some time — на какое-то время; cruel in sacrifices — жестоких в жертвоприношениях
I am a native Russian speaker. Виктор Пинчук (talk) 09:54, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

It is at these intervals of time (0.16 and 0.38) that the words “время” and “жертвоприношениях” are heard. Other words would not make sense there. Let someone else listen if my statement is not enough.Виктор Пинчук (talk)

"...осуществленной экспедиции..." The Russian language is much more difficult than English.
"...осуществленной экспедицию..." — this can only be said by a small child who does not go to school yet, but not by the deputy director for scientific work. :-) Виктор Пинчук (talk) 12:53, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Ah, OK. Thanks. Heavy Water (talk) 17:22, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

The article is fully ready for publication.— Виктор Пинчук (talk) 11:36, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Hey, is anybody here? Виктор Пинчук (talk) 19:16, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Heavy Water seems to be one of the few administrator here seems busy try @ him. SkruhKidd2 (talk) 20:19, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I'll try to get to this while it's fresh, but there's another article on the review queue that demands my attention more urgently since it doesn't have original reporting and thus would lose freshness faster. Heavy Water (talk) 20:23, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Ok Виктор Пинчук (talk) 07:04, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

One month has passed... Виктор Пинчук (talk) 06:43, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Here is the penultimate line: https://historyrussia.org/sobytiya/anonsy/arkhiv-anonsov/5-9-iyunya-konferentsiya-v-krymu-aktualnye-problemy-otechestvennoj-istorii-k-100-letiyu-revolyutsionnykh-sobytij-1917-goda-v-rossii.html (Website of the Russian Historical Society): +7 (978) 7925428 – заместитель директора по научной работе ГБУ РК «Центральный музей Тавриды» Елена Борисовна Вишневская — Виктор Пинчук (talk) 07:44, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

The quote needs to be returned to the article: Website of the Russian Historical Society is authoritative source. Виктор Пинчук (talk) 16:00, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

@Heavy Water: Such a long sleep is dangerous. Виктор Пинчук (talk) 05:45, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Vishnevskaya is Russian family name.
Sample 1:https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q4112713
Sample 2:https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q17044002
Sample 3 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q230916 Виктор Пинчук (talk) 07:02, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, so it would be "Elena Borisovna Vishnevskaya", wouldn't it? Heavy Water (talk) 16:23, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Ok, but "Elena Borisovna Vishnevskaya" and "Vishnevskaya Elena Borisovna" it is similar, no different. Виктор Пинчук (talk) 06:09, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

The Night of the Arts is an annual cultural and educational event. (source:: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ночь_искусств )
"In the frameworks" & "as part" it is similar.
This is not a Wikipedia article, but regular news. Why such scrupulousness? Виктор Пинчук (talk) 12:28, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

We can't use Wikipedia as a source, though we can potentially use its sources. I treated this as OR, anyways. In this case, I think "as part" could suggest the museums coordinate this, which I wasn't sure of. Besides, I think the new wording is clearer. Heavy Water (talk) 18:57, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Ура! Виктор Пинчук (talk) 06:05, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Abandoned?

or stale??? MissedJetliner (talk) 22:02, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

What exactly do you mean? Виктор Пинчук (talk) 12:28, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Is the story stale or abandoned? It's been some time no one works on. MissedJetliner (talk) 12:30, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

The events took place on November 4; the news was posted by me on November 5 (the next day). Other questions is to an uninvolved reviewer (one not substantially involved in writing the article). Виктор Пинчук (talk) 12:38, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Not being worked on does not automatically make an article abandoned; see the documentation at {{abandoned}}. Going by the dates provided in the article, this is neither stale nor abandoned. Heavy Water (talk) 14:22, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Okay. MissedJetliner (talk) 16:19, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Status???

What is going on with this? Updates? MissedJetliner (talk) 14:11, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Is this a question for the reviewer or for the author? Виктор Пинчук (talk) 18:44, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Both. 64.39.81.54 (talk) 20:02, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Me, the author, did everything that depended on me & waiting for the review. Виктор Пинчук (talk) 12:15, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

In my opinion, the article has been finalized and is completely ready for publication. Request to those in charge to complete the work. Виктор Пинчук (talk) 06:39, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

The article was checked and corrected by two participants (native speakers). Please set the template "published".Виктор Пинчук (talk)

Sorry to tell you this but review is still pending. SkruhKidd (talk) 16:15, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

I understand, but time... Виктор Пинчук (talk) 16:36, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Is short!!!! SkruhKidd (talk) 22:26, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

This article is frozen in time unfortunately... SkruhKidd2 (talk) 04:09, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

☹ Виктор Пинчук (talk) 11:36, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

At this point I don't know what is going on.... SkruhKidd2 (talk) 05:22, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Delete stale?

I don't know if this is or or not but it's very stale now.... 64.39.81.54 (talk) 08:05, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

The article was well edited by several users and I don’t understand why the template can’t be removed and published. Виктор Пинчук (talk) 14:55, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

I don't know either CactusJack8310 (talk) 20:10, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

I wrote on the forum Виктор Пинчук (talk) 14:02, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Okay BigKrow (talk) 17:10, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Review of revision 4761937 [Passed]

Revision 4761937 of this article has been reviewed by Heavy Water (talk · contribs) and has passed its review at 20:19, 26 December 2023 (UTC). Copyright: Passed Newsworthiness: Passed Verifiability: Passed NPOV: Passed Style: Passed Comments by reviewer: Finally. At about seven-and-a-half weeks out, in my opinion this is on the outer edge of freshness despite containing as much OR as it does. But there's been even greater leniency in similar situations in the past, so I'm inclined to think it's still at an acceptable level of freshness. I applied the principle of notes-reliably-reminding-the-reporter-of-a-fact (rather than explicitly stating it) to, if I recall correctly, the descriptions of the order of speakers, of who they were, and of Night of the Arts as a "Russian annual cultural event" (I did a sanity check on the last one, additionally, and I'm satisfied with its accuracy). I did scrutinize the diffs of others' edits to ensure they didn't distort what the reporter meant, as would be all too easy to do in this sourcing situation. There were significant issues with achieving distance from source (i.e., avoiding plagiarism and copyright violations by presenting facts in a fundamentally original way compared to the sources). Cf. WN:Pillars#own. I recognize the language barrier likely makes this more difficult. Please see edit history. (I did think this would include some of the photos that were exhibited, as has been done in the past. If the reporter chooses to add them, they can do so within the 24 hours following publication.) The reviewed revision should automatically have been edited by removing {{Review}} and adding {{Publish}} at the bottom, and the edit sighted; if this did not happen, it may be done manually by a reviewer.

Revision 4761937 of this article has been reviewed by Heavy Water (talk · contribs) and has passed its review at 20:19, 26 December 2023 (UTC). Copyright: Passed Newsworthiness: Passed Verifiability: Passed NPOV: Passed Style: Passed Comments by reviewer: Finally. At about seven-and-a-half weeks out, in my opinion this is on the outer edge of freshness despite containing as much OR as it does. But there's been even greater leniency in similar situations in the past, so I'm inclined to think it's still at an acceptable level of freshness. I applied the principle of notes-reliably-reminding-the-reporter-of-a-fact (rather than explicitly stating it) to, if I recall correctly, the descriptions of the order of speakers, of who they were, and of Night of the Arts as a "Russian annual cultural event" (I did a sanity check on the last one, additionally, and I'm satisfied with its accuracy). I did scrutinize the diffs of others' edits to ensure they didn't distort what the reporter meant, as would be all too easy to do in this sourcing situation. There were significant issues with achieving distance from source (i.e., avoiding plagiarism and copyright violations by presenting facts in a fundamentally original way compared to the sources). Cf. WN:Pillars#own. I recognize the language barrier likely makes this more difficult. Please see edit history. (I did think this would include some of the photos that were exhibited, as has been done in the past. If the reporter chooses to add them, they can do so within the 24 hours following publication.) The reviewed revision should automatically have been edited by removing {{Review}} and adding {{Publish}} at the bottom, and the edit sighted; if this did not happen, it may be done manually by a reviewer.