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Not Vandalism[edit]

It's not vandalism that James Cameron will never make Avatar2. Will you please let me make you say that James Cameron will never make Avatar2, and accept the fact that James Cameron will never make Avatar2. @Dfrenzel7:

Wikinews is not Wikipedia. Here, we seek to publish neutral, accurate reports about current events. You can read a compact overview of what we do here at WN:Pillars of Wikinews writing. --Pi zero (talk) 11:28, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Translating Articles[edit]

I was wondering if I'm allowed to translate articles from other languages, such as Serbian. If so, how should I go about it? --Queen Laura (talk) 17:22, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

@Queen Laura: Do you mean, submit articles here from other Wikinews projects (such as Serbian), or use sources written in non-English languages (such as Serbian)?
  • Other Wikinews projects have different processes and standards, so we can't (for most purposes) treat them as trust-worthy sources in themselves. From time to time an article from, say, French or Spanish Wikinews gets translated into English and submitted here, which means the text gets translated, the sources from the other-language article are cited, and a template is used in the Sources section to acknowledge that the article is at least partly translated from the other project. Sometimes English sources are also added to help. But then it has to be reviewed here — which brings me to the other question, use of non-English sources.
  • Non-English sources are difficult for us to handle during review. Keep in mind that automatic translation technology is really horrible. Reviewers do in-depth study of sources, and all nuance is lost in automatic translation, but it's worse than that. Automatic translation can easily produce nonsense, or, worse, can easily produce something that seems reasonable but doesn't mean at all what the original meant; it may even have the opposite meaning, or an unrelated meaning. There are two main cases where we can use non-English sources: where the information we need to get from them is very simple and with careful study we can be quite sure of it even across the language barrier, and where we're gathering a direct quote (which works especially well if we have either a native speaker to help us with its translation or a translation provided elsewhere that we're sure is the same quote). In some cases, a trusted reporter can help us with the translation of a source, but that's a laborious process that I've only seen done successfully a few times.
--Pi zero (talk) 17:48, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
So I could, theoretically, translate an article as a source for inspiration; and, occasionally, translate articles completely. Great! Thanks for the help! --Queen Laura (talk) 18:25, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Category for British Labour leadership election[edit]

Would a category be able to be created for the ongoing 2016 Labour Party (UK) leadership election? "Angela Eagle drops out of UK labour leadership contest", "Labour Party UK members win right to vote in leadership contest", "UK Labour MPs pass motion of no-confidence in leader Corbyn", and possibly others would need to be added to it. Thanks, (talk) 03:12, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Category:2016 UK Labour Party leadership election. --Pi zero (talk) 20:00, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Free distributed malware attacks large Dyn DNS websites on US coast[edit]

1) The headline is a bit yucky, and

2) I am not competent in this field so maybe you can check whether I wrote something inaccurate...

--Gryllida 00:51, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

How about Distributed malware attack takes down several web sites in the United States? Still somewhat cumbersome but maybe a little more straight-forward. —Justin (koavf)TCM 03:22, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
Distributed malware attack takes down several web sites in the United States
Open-source distributed malware attacks large Dyn DNS websites on US coast
Open-source distributed malware attack takes down several web sites in the United States
Open-source distributed malware attacks DNS of several web sites in the United States
Open-source distributed malware attacks DNS of popular web sites
Open-source distributed malware attacks DNS of several popular web sites
Distributed malware attacks DNS of several popular web sites in the US
Distributed malware attacks DNS, takes down several popular web sites in the US
Not sure which is better... --Gryllida 01:33, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
Note It ended up at Distributed malware attacks Dyn DNS, takes down websites in US. —Justin (koavf)TCM 18:20, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Dakota Access Pipeline -- what are acceptable sources for investigative journalism?[edit]

I am flying to North Dakota in December and will be visiting the protest camps. Right now I am receiving lots of word through social media that they are using water cannons on the protesters in freezing weather. Considering that there's a big media blackout on the protests, I feel inclined to start editing Wikinews to fill this vacuum. However, I am surprised we seem to have zero articles on the NoDAPL protests. Can someone assist me with how to cover the DAPL protests, of which there seems to be an abundance of primary sources but a scarcity of secondary sources? Yanping Nora Soong (talk) 17:30, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

@Yanping Nora Soong: Have you got any interviews set up with anyone yet? Will it just be you or can you have a second person who will hold a camera or microphone? —Justin (koavf)TCM 23:16, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
There is (to say this explicitly) some relevant discussion at WN:OR. --Pi zero (talk) 00:27, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Media and username in Print Edition[edit]

Hello. While I was creating the print edition today,

  1. I thought using File:HollyWEED.jpg as it would have been more informative for the article Hollywood sign modified to read 'Hollyweed'. Later, I noticed the media was nominated for deletion. This makes me wonder, is it okay to have a free image for print edition which is different from the one on the English Wikinews article? Or will it cause unnecessary complications?
  2. I noticed that a File:BujumburaFromCathedral.jpg used on the article Gunman kills Burundi environment minister Emmanuel Niyonkuru was uploaded by User:SteveRwanda. But the user is now known as User:Amakuru. Which username should I mention on the print edition. (I feel I should use the latest name. What if a new account was created which has the previous username of the original author? But, in the summary template, the old username is mentioned.)
  3. This time, I have also authors of the media to their website/Flickr page/Commons Page. I don't know if it is a good idea, but if we are linking it on the website, it would be good if we reflect the same in the print edition. But the question arises: What should I do if the author, a wikimedia editor does not have a userpage? Should I link to his or her contribution/media uploaded? Should I do this for all authors on Wikimedia?
    Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 19:20, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
  • When I want to credit a wikimedian author who doesn't have a user page, I link to their Special:Contributions. I've used different styles to credit flickr authors, but since all-in-all I'd rather not link externally, lately I've given the name unlinked and then added ({{w|flickr}}) after it. --Pi zero (talk) 19:30, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
All of these are good questions. With the first, I'd say we should stick with whatever image(s) were used in the article unless a good reason not to arises. Your example raises a good reason, a much better image became available. Although it turned out the better version was deleted, but had the new image been okay than I don't see why we shouldn't use it.
To the second, it's more subtle than that. SteveRwanda/Amakuru has not changed how they are credited on the Commons file description. I did check the userpage for, say, a full name we could use. Of course, the subtlety is lost in the print version, which is a problem. (More on this in my comment to your third question.)
As for the third, touching also on the second, we don't actually have any particular house style for credits. Maybe we should. As this conversation shows, they aren't as straightforward as you'd expect. Probably it should be a guideline rather than a hard policy, to cover any future unusual cases. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 13:57, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Using The Independent[edit]

In the Terms and Conditions of The Independent's website says that "Your promise to us The Website and the Content may only be used for your personal, non-commercial use." One needs to agree to the T&C while creating an account, but we use The Independent as a source, to verify facts. Does this, in any way, violate the T&C since we do not have a non-commercial term in the CC license. Also, we are not copying their copyrighted material — just considering the facts.
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 18:54, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

It isn't binding, so we're (mercifully) saved from playing around with the myriad possible interpretations. If it were, however, I'd submit that individual reviewers and writers are drawing upon it for personal noncommercial use. The works they create are new materials. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 19:31, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Interviews and focal events[edit]

Please assist Sorry if this is too elementary but I like contributing here and I feel like I still don't have a good grasp on the copy and professionalism needed to write good news. With our sister projects, it's a little easier since everything is a work in progress and collaboration is assumed but here there are deadlines (even if some are slightly artificial) and there are expectations regarding the public interest, professional ethics, etc. That having been said, I would love to do some original interviews for the site but do I always have to have a specific focal event? For instance, if I were speaking to an academic about language death, that is a process which by definition has been "on-going" for millennia. Does something in particular have to hit the news cycle to publish this conversation now? What about a musician who toured with a popular act in the 1990s? Surely, he could have insights into how the industry functions today even if most of his anecdotes will be 20 years old. Thanks for indulging me. —Justin (koavf)TCM 21:55, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi. That's a good question, and fortunately the answer is simple: A decent interview with an interesting somebody can become its own focal event. Wikinews:Newsworthiness#Freshness discusses this to some degree. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 22:00, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
@Blood Red Sandman: So if I understand correctly, then as long as the interview is sufficiently factual, interesting, and professional, it is de facto newsworthy even if there is no particular event "in the news" as such? —Justin (koavf)TCM 22:11, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
Pretty much. The interview itself is the event in the news. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 22:12, 18 January 2017 (UTC)