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acagastya PING ME! 15:28, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

@Acagastya: It looks as if only the first of these (the 7 wonders thing) is directly about Angkor Wat. Thoughts? --Pi zero (talk) 02:20, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
@Pi zero: direct relation? [what about Griezmann's category for that obituary?] Well, jokes apart, but there are several instances where we add categories when something happens nearby/less directly. I think all of these it is okay to add the category.
•–• 14:22, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
Well, there are things done here and there that aren't ideal. Because we have a definite element of standards-enforcement on Wikinews, we can't allow ourselves to think in terms of "it was done a few times, therefore it's okay to do it more"; there's too much variety of material here, done over a long period of time to standards that have evolved. If we allowed anything that had ever been done, our current standards would unravel entirely. We need some pressure to improve things (where we can, though some things are archived and can't be revised), but of course not too much or we'd create an impossible amount of work for ourselves (both for present practice and past curating). So we try to juggle all these things.

@Acagastya: Specifically, I don't think "this happened near Angkor Wat" is worthy of categorization, it's just a description of the place where the event actually happened; the principle (set down somewhere or other, perhaps in the draft categorization policy that never got officially enacted but has largely worked its way into best practice) is that one puts an article in a category if, when researching that topic in our archives, one would like the article to show up. "Happened nearby" doesn't feel to me like a reason to want an article to show up in researching Angkor Wat. (Re obituaries, there are some situations that connect the present to the past, so that a category about a past event belongs on a present article; such as when current legislation directly relates to signature legislation of a previous administration; and obituaries are a particular case of this.) --Pi zero (talk) 15:09, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

I am not trying to say that we should do because we have done something like that before (that was a joke, when I mentioned that other article) But I think it is not that bad: what if one wants to know what has ever happened in Angkor Wat, or it's surroundings? [BRS actually told me regarding this; but for Ivan Rakitic's category for FIFA Balon d'Or]
•–• 16:23, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
I suppose it would depend on how immediate to Angkor Wat the place really is. To my mind it would have to be very proximate; closer than I was under the impression was the case here. --Pi zero (talk) 16:32, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
@Pi zero: I don't know why I did not think about this before. Why not Angkor? All of them would satisfactorily relate to the city category.
•–• 17:03, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
@Pi zero: Consider populating Angkor's category, and delete this one. [for time being]
•–• 03:05, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
@Acagastya: I'm a bit unclear on the different place names involved. It looks as if Angkor is a ruined ancient city, and Siem Reap is a current city whose main claim to fame atm is that it's the gateway to the ruins of Angkor. I'm not sure how we ought to be handling that. --Pi zero (talk) 03:25, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
@Pi zero: It is harder than understanding Holland != Netherlands, and Yangoon and Rangoon are the same cities. However, this map might help. Looks like Angkor is a proper subset of Siem Reap. Now that it involves complexity, best to ask someone who knows a lot about Cambodia.
•–• 03:37, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
@Acagastya: I think we've got the answer to my question about terminology, anyway, from that map you link to. It shows Krong Siem Reap, which afaict is neither the city Siem Reap, nor the province of which that city is the capital, but one of the districts of the province containing the city and also containing the ruins of Angkor. (I got clued in to this from Wikipedia article List of Cambodian districts and sections, which lists Krong Siem Reap as one of the twelve districts of the province; it notes krong means city — which is more translation help than I got out of Wiktionary or google translate — and links to the district article so I figure the name of the district is "Siem Reap City".) --Pi zero (talk) 12:09, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
@Pi zero: And Angkor literally translates to city.
•–• 12:14, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
"Capital city" according to the en.wp article, which is very plausible considering how big it was at its height. --Pi zero (talk) 12:17, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
Hmm. Sanskrit? Says Wiktionary. I admit I'm out of my depth, on that. --Pi zero (talk) 12:18, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
Yes, it is. Wat comes from the word "vatika" or maybe "watika" (depends on IPA) which means garden.
•–• 12:21, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
Of interest: the page about the city in km.wp: w:km:ក្រុងសៀមរាប. Note the collapsed box at the bottom about the province. --Pi zero (talk) 12:28, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
@Acagastya: One approach would be to set up three categories, nested one in another, for the city, district, and province. The seven-wonders article would be in the province and district but not the city. --Pi zero (talk) 18:06, 20 November 2017 (UTC)