User talk:acagastya

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File:2017 Bangalore ComicCon (media) IMG 0107.JPG[edit]

Just curious. Under what policy do you assert the right to control the caption? The caption is not part of the image. --SVTCobra 12:43, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

On a separate note, I apologise for assuming that you are the subject of the photo. It might have been because I was editing late at night. Green Giant (talk) 13:03, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
I do have some rights reserved for the photo and can choose the caption I want to; and someone else adding a caption on the file page appears as if the author is endorsing it, which I am not. If you want to express who is in the photo, make use of description. Not a caption which I endorse. By the way, Green Giant, hi. Good to see you back. (Wish you would have been active earlier—but better late than never; Also; you should not stay away from project for longer durations, PeP would kick in, and you would be losing the rights.
•–• 13:12, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
Again, I ask. what are those rights and where are they asserted? I don't see them in the human-readable summary of the license. --SVTCobra 16:02, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
I do not endorse the caption, and summary != license. Adding the caption in caption field without my permission is act of endorsement that the author suggests this caption, though I do not. Click on the license link, and find out what is and what is not allowed. In any case, my photos, I decide what caption to be used, and it is '\0' For ComicCon media. Make use of description if you want to. (talk) 19:04, 16 January 2018 (UTC)


For your information, the following images that you uploaded lack license information:

Cheers, --SVTCobra 19:30, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Someone claiming to be you asserted that "this was handled off-wiki" or something like that. I assure you, that is insufficient. Things like: "usage “greatly” helps readers" is ultimately meaningless. Honestly, I don't think that person ( was you, because you are so very careful with licensees. Therefore, I urge you to correct the situation. --SVTCobra 02:24, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

@Acagastya: I know you asked not to be pinged because you don't want e-mails, but then you should have turned off e-mail notification. I am doing this as an official notification of lack of license. --SVTCobra 03:07, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Can't see the motivation to ping the user on their talk page, even if pings are disabled, email is sent for talk page messages.
•–• 23:59, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
If you see, each media with copyrighted elements (Thor, Captain America, Hulk, The Tick, the manga character) -- they all have the fair use rationale. It isn't written in {{peacock}} terms. You aren't really supposed to do anything with the off-wiki discussion, evidently, you were not able to catch up with the on-wiki discussions, so off would be futile. This message actually wasted my time, for a moment I thought I did not write a rationale.
•–• 00:10, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
A couple of questions. India has freedom of panorama, so photographing public displays of art (copyrighted or not) is within your rights, is it not? Did you attend ComicCon with your press credentials? If so, you are afforded additional rights.
Specifically regarding 0120 and 0123, did the artist know you were photographing their work in progress and for what purpose? Given the close-up nature of the photos, I assume the artist knew you took photos, but if you stated that you were with Wikinews, and the artist permitted the photos, then you have implicit permission to publish them under your preferred license. Also, it is a work in progress, so it is not the final copyrightable form.
Certainly, we could rely on the fair dealing provisions of the Copyright Act of 1957, but I feel that these photos are as much your work as the work of the copyright holders. If you only assert fair-dealing/fair-use, then anyone could reuse them and assert the same.
Finally, if you are certain you want to stay with fair-use/fair-dealing for these images, Wikinews' fair use policy states that "you must add both the correct copyright tag and a fair use rationale for each use in any article". If we do not have an appropriate copyright tag for these images, we can create one. But it is necessary to have. Cheers, --SVTCobra 18:42, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
FoP has a clause for publicly accessible, which it was not. One had to spend at least ₹400 to enter the KTPO centre. There is also a clause of being permanently available in publicly accessible place — less than a week duration is nowhere close to be called permanent. I guess that deals with Marvel characters. For manga characters, consent of photograph does not mean I have the right to upload. They are two different things, let alone me choosing the license. Unlike basket weaving (it requires skill, and it is an art, but not copyrightable) like this, the sketch was easily above ToO. And since it is the main subject, it cannot be under de minimis. (It is de maximums or de primus if such thing exists) For the tattoo, the copyright of the web-series is with and for the comic…its publisher/author/creator. If you sketch a photo of Spider-Man, and take a photo of it, you can not sell it. So is true with drawing Disney princesses. Belle’s story is under public domain, but if you specifically draw her like how she appears in Disney movies, it is a derivative work of a copyrighted content. Just like this photo is not allowed on Commons: link though I drew it in MS Paint in my own. Ask Green Giant if you wish to know more) similarly, photos like this are not acceptable for a free license as well. Reason: I did not create the typeface. (Exception: public domain fonts)

Indian Copyright Act was amended almost 6 times, you used an old one. But, the photo was taken moments before completion — there was a hiccup, an error, and the screen went blank, and while trying to revert it, since tablet does not have a keyboard for Ctrl+Z, it took time, and then, there was a power supply interruption, but when it was restored, he just signed it and left. Missing a signature is not enough to call it incomplete. (See the Tick’s tattoo in initial stage) distance? Well, I was less than a metre away, but I don’t think that is how you should think. I took this photo from almost 20 metres from the subject, not easy to tell. If copyright tag is important, I need to make sure it is not misused (there have been so many cases where people did not respect CC license terms, discussed above) so I am not surrendering any of my rights of this photo. I have uploaded it on the servers located in the US with full conciousness, and unlike other photos (which had no ambiguity about the copyright status of the work) this is (c) Agastya Chandrakant.
•–• 00:49, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

I am sorry that I am not fully updated on the amendments to the Copyright Act. What were the changes? (you can just give me a link to current law if that is easier). In the US, a ticket price does not preclude a place from being public. But maybe that's different in India.
The drawing artist did have a signature on the work in 0123, but was the artist not copying other Manga or characters to which they don't really own copyright?
You mention de minimis which is a requirement of fair-use/fair-dealing. By not asserting your rights, you are handing them back to the subject of the photo. And by not being de minimis nor licensed by you, it would be de jure fully reverted to the subject's (Thor, Cap. America, Hulk, etc) intellectual property, by many standards. Though, I am not sure if that applies to India. (No mention of it in the original 1957 law).
There are many images of a similar nature on Commons. I do not think you should be afraid to assert CC-BY-IN (whatever your preferred version is). It gives you legal right to demand attribution at the very least. What's the worst that could happen? DC Comics or Marvel or Amazon says, you can't use that license? OK, we change it to fair-use/fair-dealing. There is no risk. It would possibly be different if you were profiting off of the images, but you are not. So they couldn't even prove damages. Besides that, there are tons of similar images of displays at various ComicCons on Commons.
P.S. Some of the costumes are so good that they could be considered copyright violations themselves. LOL. If you want to stick with fair-use/fair-dealing, I will make a copyright tag and let you approve it before adding it to the images. Cheers,--SVTCobra 02:46, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
Costumes do not account for copyvio -- and in general, photographs of cosplayers will not violate copyright -- I read the discussion (on wp or com, perhaps). The artist drew it on the spot, and did not refer any photographs. I did not say de minimis is required for FU, I said the primary subject of the photo was something that is copyrightable (and well above ToO) hence, I can not release it under free license.
•–• 03:05, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
In general, photographs of official mannequins on display will not violate copyright, either. The copyright owners want people to see them.
The "did not refer to photographs" for the drawing artist is not a legal claim. If I memorize a poem, can I write it down again without 'looking at the original' and claim it to be my copyright? I think not.
But you did avoid answering my questions: a) Did you use your press credentials? b) Did you tell the artist why you photographed their art? (I am not accepting your insinuation that you used a tele-lens for it.)
Don't be afraid to assert some rights. --SVTCobra 03:33, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
I got media accreditation because of press credentials, and I had asked every single person before taking the photos if they are okay with it being used for Wikinews. (except for cosplayers on stage -- that is not practically possible) There are some basic steps for drawing a manga character -- and even if it is copyrighted, it is under FU. For my rights, I specified, (c) Agastya Chandrakant. I am not dropping any of my rights because I don't want to find out my photos were used by various people which violated terms and conditions. Unlike the DMCA in the US, I can't do much in India. I am pretty sure that photo was not taken from a publicly accessible [that means you do not have to pay anything to be at that place] location, or is there as a permanent display (unlike that Golden colour Bull somewhere in the US)
•–• 03:44, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

for the record — mannequin photo was deleted from Commons link.
•–• 01:28, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Template:CC BY-ND 2.5 IN[edit]

Hello. Regarding this edit, I didn't add any photos to the template. If you're referring to the icons, they are the ones that are used at the Creative Commons website. I'm not sure why it would take much longer to load them than any other CC license. If it is a loading problem why don't we use the standard CC template and add an Indian flag icon perhaps? Green Giant (talk) 11:40, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

They are unnecessary additions, which do not add any significant meaning. They do not contribute much, except for slower load time. Not everyone is blessed with high speed internet. Currently browsing at 10 kB/s — do you seriously think it has any use? Also, I reverted the textual changes which I had used from the target page. And the template — avoiding any ambiguous claims of license breach, by making use of home grown 100% fit {{msg}}. (talk) 12:20, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
Well I'd disagree about the meaning in that they convey the essence of the license in easily understandable symbols. Certainly for many people, symbols are more useful than a chunk of text. I am not sure I know of many people outside legal circles who would want to read terms and conditions. Would it not be simpler to perhaps leave out the text of the summary and let people click on the link if they want to read more? Please have a look at the latest version of {{CC BY-ND 2.5 IN/Sandbox}} and tell me what you think. As for low-speed internet, I do understand because I live in a fairly rural valley in the UK and have yet to benefit from high-speed internet at home. When I have to do intensive editing, I sometimes go to the nearest major public library but even that is for a one-hour slot; alternatively I sit in a cafe and go through a couple of cups of tea so they don't think I'm only there for their WiFi! Green Giant (talk) 13:03, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
symbol only helps those who know about it, and that too, not necessarily. (Difference between CC BY and CC BY-SA for example) Last month, I had to inform at least half a dozen websites that they were using photos that I had clicked, which violated the terms (I do that, some times) and I had to explain the licensing team what they had gotten wrong. Symbols really don’t convey much meaning (don’t forget Noncommercial has a slashed dollar sign, in total bias of first world countries) and it can never replace text. Especially for a license. By the way, I think “rural UK” was too much to reveal for a person who prefers to maintain anonymity — it doesn’t reveal anything, but now, I know in which time zone you work. (talk) 13:23, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
Hmm, I think the CC icons are fairly widespread now, although I too encounter users who don't understand the license of the image they were copying. Quite often they haven't read the license as a whole rather than just ignoring the text or the icons. I have copied over {{CC-country-flags}} from Commons and will look into adapting {{CC}} to accept country specific entries. I think that will be the best approach, although I am not negating your customised approach either. Let's leave this conversation till I have worked out the intricacies of the templates. By the way I don't mind people knowing that I live in a rural part of the UK - there are about 3 million rural folk here in an area slightly smaller than Uttar Pradesh. If a checkuser wanted to, I am sure they could pinpoint my general area, although they wouldn't have a reason to check me anyway! In fact there is one OTRS admin who knew my real name when I joined OTRS but they are not an OTRS admin anymore and I doubt they remember it. My OTRS pseudonym is related to my real name but I would pity the poor soul who would waste time trying to decipher it! Green Giant (talk) 14:33, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
There are people who clearly try to invade others privacy. Pitying with them does not help. (talk) 14:52, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
Sorry for butting in here, but the addition of the symbols amount to something like 80kb when loading an image page that is measured in MB. This cannot seriously be a consideration for image templates. --SVTCobra 02:53, 25 January 2018 (UTC)


This template does't play well with WN:Make lead: images displayed via {{img}} are not noticed by WN:Make lead. --Pi zero (talk) 01:10, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

I personally don't care for this template. The fact that "File:" has to be omitted, means one cannot just double-click and copy the file name from Commons (or locally). I would like the "reuse terms" thingy if it actually just was a pop-up of the license, but it is just a link to the image itself. Not helpful. With some improvements, I could see myself using it, but not really in its current form, especially with Pi zero's concern. Cheers, --SVTCobra 19:19, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
"File:" is an obsolete string. It depends on how we copy things. For pizero's concerns, I am looking at the JS, and I would be able to fix it. The way reuse terms was created, thb, it was not properly thought, and not the best template I have came across, so far. Reuse terms is more important than any other comfort. Pop-up is not a good idea -- uses pop-ups, and their website is not mobile compatible. The {{translated quote}} which I am so proud of, which works without JS, it managed to fail on Safari for iOS -- and I am figuring out why. Current analysis -- pop-up is not the best idea, and what is more important? link to license information, or how one copies the string. (side note, whenever I add an image, I go on to type "[[File:]]" and then copy only the title)
•–• 21:36, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
@Pi zero, SVTCobra: easy fix — the template was created so that we can avoid typing the file name for reuse terms. So, just subst: it and let software do the hardwork. That solves MakeLead issue. (talk) 08:29, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
This template does not show "reuse terms" it just does the same thing as clicking on the image. If you can fix it to where it displays "CC-BY-2.5" or "USGov-PD" or whatever the case may be, then it is useful. For now, I see it as confusing to use and not helpful. --SVTCobra 18:52, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
actually it is not confusing. Without mentioning reuse terms, people who are not familiar with the software do not know how to check for the reuse terms, which, by the way, CC license demands a link to original file; and a link to license, that too, explicitly. Since BRS did not like it, and pizero, despite the official confirmation I had received from creativecommons; decided not to mention link “after sitting at the fence”, the best way to let noobs know about the reuse terms is by a link which says reuse terms; and not by guessing that they have to click the image. Think about it; do you find copyright information about photos when you click them, on other news websites?
•–• 18:59, 19 February 2018 (UTC)


I've closed your reapplication for reviewer as successful, and restored your bit.

(I'm not aware of any traditional nickname for our reviewer privs, along the lines of the ha-ha-only-serious nickname for admin privs "mop and bucket". Perhaps "red sharpie"?) --Pi zero (talk) 16:07, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Can't see how it is related to "red sharpie".
•–• 16:57, 5 February 2018 (UTC)


Somehow, a revision of the unpublished Giroud article got sighted. I unsighted it for you. (When a revision of an unpublished article gets sighted, unsight it by viewing it, scrolling down to the bottom of the page, and clicking "unaccept revision". Then check to make sure there are't any other sighted revisions.) --Pi zero (talk) 04:11, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Did I sight it? I should be more careful about it. By the way, I know about unsighting -- because of Wikibooks.
•–• 16:58, 5 February 2018 (UTC)


Some that occur to me (not mentioning other templates that these require):

For additional suggestions — keeping in mind our templates also include a lot of cruft from the early days that's not used much and might be better left out of a clean set-up — see Wikinews:Template messages.

Of course, our existing automation, consisting mainly of easy-peer-review and make-lead, small though it might seem, is extremely valuable in reducing difficulty of maintenance tasks; I think difficulty of doing ordinary things has been part of the downfall of some Wikinews projects, because when news production is so difficult in its essential elements, it can be very damaging to have great difficulty in accidental elements as well. And my answer for that would be based on the dialog tools, but even if that were fully developed I doubt the feasibility of the dialog tools in incubation. --Pi zero (talk) 05:08, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

@Pi zero: thank you for leaving a note, but I think you missed {{xambox}} -- it is one of the most crucial information templates for non-article pages, and also for yet-to-be published articles. Just like how we might not need {{w}} always, but it has an implicit call in {{sources}}. So could you also list all those trivial ones, please? (talk) 05:28, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
@Pi zero: also a list of important [tracking] categories -- dates, yes.
•–• 00:06, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Poet, lyricist, and digital activist John Perry Barlow dies, aged 70[edit]

Thanks, man. I'm getting sleepy and I said most all that I could say for now. I would like to follow up with tributes in a day or two but for the obit, this is all I have. —Justin (koavf)TCM 08:50, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Remark about your way of commenting[edit]

I suppose this was you? Your often negative comments on my edits here (and sometimes on me as a person) are beginning to annoy me. De Wikischim (talk) 09:10, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

I see nothing wrong with that comment — the story is four days old and is no longer fresh. And the current headline says nothing unique which is one of the the most important things about writing a headline. Israel strikes whom? What is F-16? Israel has been striking for years! Make it unique. Add that crucial information. I need not tell you how to write headline, you have been writing articles for quite a long time.
•–• 09:47, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
OK. Well, the main focus of the news article is the second air raid by Israel, which seems to have happened on Saturday. So the news is 3 days old now, not 4. By the way, I have been active and writing on the Dutch Wikinews version mainly, not much yet on this one (as you should remember too). De Wikischim (talk) 09:54, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
The art of writing headline does not change with the language. As for the freshness is concerned; the lede speaks of something that happened on Saturday, but the second paragraph speaks about the background information. I understand background information is necessary for understanding the article, but that does not mean the article should explain the background first, and then say about what happened now (that approach is purely encyclopaedic for the archival record) Speak about the latest developments in the upper part of the article and stuff that background information at the bottom part.
•–• 10:15, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
I've just changed this (before I read this last comment) so the background info about the downing of the F-16 is now discussed in detail in the third paragraph, instead of the second one. Thanks for giving me advice - perhaps I for my part was just a little too insulted hereabove. De Wikischim (talk) 10:25, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Tino Ranger uploads[edit]

User Tino Ranger locally uploaded a couple of files, and I started to treat it the way I usually do — block for 'local upload abuse', nuke, leave note on user talk page — but then wondered, noting some hint of 'Hindu Wikinews' in one of the image names. Don't suppose you can offer any insight into this? --Pi zero (talk) 17:02, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

looking at the log; I saw "Hindio-News" and has nothing to do with hiwn, as far as I know. By the way, working in incubator is difficult to track recent changes.
•–• 01:51, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Reviewing screen cast: record your video?[edit]

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would have, but I don’t review from one single device. My laptop would crash very frequently — ten minutes or so — and thus I would even review from my phone. Besides, the way I review, most of the work happens off-wiki than on-wiki. I make notes, write in my joy. So screen recording would not help.
•–• 05:38, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Links in table[edit]

Re: diff United States wasn't linked in the table because you hadn't linked it when you created it. It appeared to be consistent with the way you didn't repeat links that appeared in the article itself. I did not de-link anything, and the only thing I added was Mexico to the Gulf of California. You can see it here in this diff. Cheers, --SVTCobra 05:44, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

@SVTCobra: You should be knowing -- I often comment a lot about my previous revisions. Sometimes in first person, sometimes second, sometimes third.
•–• 06:06, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Re: US: New flu strain continues epidemic sweeping across Texas[edit]


  • When starting to write about an event, double-check what and when happened; some mainstream media will be confused about it themselves and not provide links to the report which they are re-reporting, or its publish date.

Story is marked as abandoned; to be deleted on March 7 (in 2 days), if work on it does not resume.

--Gryllida (talk) 22:50, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

@Gryllida: are you sure you wanted to tell me about the article? That is not my article. And, if the information about “When” and “what” is not mentioned in the lede, newsworthiness and focal point issue (respectively) would prohibit the article from being published. This is nothing new — BBC often fails to answer “when”. And we have learned how to find the answer to when.
•–• 16:00, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

State of emergency in Sri Lanka fails to stop violence[edit]

This is what I wrote in response to your request. Cheers, --SVTCobra 20:41, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Regarding comment on RfP[edit]

Hi. If you want to have a discussion about this diff, I suggest we do it on your or my talk page, not there. I hope you will shorten or eliminate the comment on RfP if, as you say, it doesn't pertain to the nomination.

Nevertheless, I will answer one of your points, which was the one about pointing to policy. As far as I know, I pointed to policy when you accused me of violating policy. P.S. I put up an article about China. Cheers, --SVTCobra 17:44, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Edit summaries[edit]

I have noticed your edit summaries have become quite inappropriate. May I suggest you tone it down? --SVTCobra 17:06, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your dedicated effort[edit]

Though I have plenty of experience as a Wikipedia editor, I needed to find some time to become a successful editor in Wikinews as well. I wanted to thank you for clearing my mistakes in the article with a new perfect header, Cricket Australia bans Steve Smith, David Warner for one year after ball tampering incident. Thanks once again in updating the content in the article as you have helped for the second time in my Wikinews career after my debut article, Death toll exceeds 200 after heavy rain and mudslides in Sri Lanka. Abishe (talk) 11:07, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

@Abishe: While trying to fix the article (by the way, I hope you saw Pi zero's notes on talk page) I had removed certain details which you had added. Feel free to add it again. I worked around what I thought was crucial and if someone feels something is missing, feel free to edit.
•–• 11:11, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

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Anonymous editing[edit]

When editing anonymously, please consider adding your Acagastya nick to edit summaries and signatures. Then others know what talk page to post their questions on if they would like to follow up one of your recent edits. --Gryllida (talk) 06:05, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Well, you can not ignore the possibility that any anonymous editor can add “Acagastya” to their edits and I would be at loss.
•–• 06:25, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
Use 2FA and login each time? Then logged out editing is unneeded? Gryllida (talk) 09:14, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
I thought I made it clear that I do not log out and edit; I edit in any situation possible; unless name of speaker is more important than what they are saying is important. Do you think I type my 20+ character long password every single time on my slow internet on my phone with 2.3" wide screen.
•–• 11:10, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
Store the password on the phone in encrypted form. --Gryllida (talk) 11:33, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
I have a simpler solution. Focus on the content of the comment, what it is trying to convey; instead of who is conveying it. When it is needed, I login and edit that time.
•–• 12:02, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
You know, I can see both sides of this. It's certainly true a valid observation is still valid if made anonymously; then again, as a reviewer, I'm aware it helps, when tasked with assessing something, to know it was written by an experienced user, so that one knows to be particularly alert for the sort of mistakes an experienced user is more likely to make, rather than to beware every sort of difficulty might arise with something by an unknown author. --Pi zero (talk) 12:46, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

@Pi zero: as I understand, the edits being discussed are non-main space edits. These days I don’t write articles without logging in.
•–• 12:50, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

That's my understanding, also. I'm just suggesting there is a similar sort of effect, on a smaller scale of course, that can go on with remarks on talk pages. --Pi zero (talk) 12:59, 1 April 2018 (UTC)


Hello, he is a LTA, and locked globally, so he can't be unblocked here. IMO no reason to let him write such harsh words. Stryn (talk) 12:38, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

@Stryn: Let's not assume the genders. Re harsh words, this is nothing, partly because we don't have an AGF, this is fine.
•–• 12:44, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

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I didn't want the tweet in external, but in sources, Pi moved it. But see this Pixar Studios animator Bud Luckey, designer of Toy Story's Woody, dies aged 83, where you put a Facebook post in external. And Margot Duhalde, Chile's first female military pilot, dies aged 97 for an example where you put a tweet in sources. --SVTCobra 03:29, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

(/me tried to avoid bringing up “read the sources” thing) in the first article that you have mentioned, the Facebook post serves the official statement. I did not include any quotes from that statement. In the second article you have mentioned, the president’s tweet was in Spanish, but in the sources, it was translated to English. I prefer to use original quotes in the article, and I am ready to spend time and energy on it. I did it for Marshall Khan article, which I still don’t know how to deal with when the language has two scripts. And in Avicii’s case: other sources mention Madonna’s tweet and it is in English.
•–• 04:02, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
Yes, But don'T we prefer primary sources when available instead of relying on secondary sources? --SVTCobra 04:10, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
<dropping in> The sources section is, after all, a list provided by the reporter of what they actually used. It's not a linkfarm. If the tweet itself wasn't used in writing the article, it does not belong in the sources section. --Pi zero (talk) 04:17, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
Again, personal choice. I don't want to elaborate on my way of extracting facts, but I tend to minimise the number of sources to draw facts in such a manner that a source which serves as a proper subset is left off before I write the article.
•–• 04:20, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
This is not the first time you commented on my choice of preference; besides, the "primary source" thing does not work every time. Some reviewers want to see what secondary sources have to say about it. eg LinkedIn to be acquired by Microsoft.
•–• 04:26, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Let's talk[edit]

From your edit summary: "you want to negate everything that I do" ... I think that is demonstrably false. Yet, at the same time I feel that you oppose and reject every single decision I make in my role as a sysop. Even if I make a decision that was completely the same as Pi zero, to which you did not object, you jump up and cause a big scene if I was the one who enforced the rule or followed convention. I'll have you know that I even over-ruled several of Pi zero's decisions during the "Match Report" downstyle project in favor of you. --SVTCobra 13:38, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

(definitely need to login for this) We cross each other a lot, so one feeling that the other is trying to negate is something that is ought to happen. I have written over 300 articles, and of which 297 were published. Out of them, I bet Pi zero published at least 290 articles. It is no secret that I have learned most of the things from Pi zero. Hence, a significant number of the ideas and concepts that I have, they are similar to Pi zero's. And when we (me and Pi zero) end up disagreeing, (and yes, that happens very frequently) there is a lot happening which you don't see on-wiki. I have picked up certain things from Bddpaux, Tom Morris, Gryllida, Brian McNeil, Blood Red Sandman -- but most of the things came from Pi zero. What I turned into, I must be a huge disappointment for Pi zero, I am a failed student in certain perspectives. Believe me, the user whom I disagree the most is Pi zero. Pi zero receives more criticism whenever we disagree, but I don't think it ever went personal. We somehow stayed on topic, for most of the time. But since you do not use IRC, or have email option enabled, most of our (you and me) disagreement is on-wiki, and we don't sort it out that efficiently. Maybe we should have discussions on IRC, which are swifter, though not as good as an instant messenger, and maybe I should not be making personal attacks. Well, TL;DR: I disagree with almost everyone, somehow we both end up making it personal. I don't think I understood what you were trying to say about "Match Report" -- was it renaming the category? I guess Pi zero has said this on-wiki, on some page that certain things just happened in the beginning, and later it grew to be too big to fix the problems. I, however, feel that certain things should be fixed as soon as possible, but we don't find "copious free time". I had ever requested admin rights to fight vandalism, and do the renaming, categorisation, wikifying work, so that Pi zero could focus on dialog tools, and other things of greater priority. However, I was declined twice. The reason to create admin dashboard was so that if I can't make those changes, as I did not have the rights, at least I could flag them. Just a (rather useless, and pointless) reminder, I am accustomed to working with only one admin + reviewer (that that should be no surprise.) I don't know if this is what I should be answering, but this had to come out some day.
•–• 15:19, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for you honesty and lengthy reply. Let me tell you first why I don't participate in IRC. It is not that I am anti-social or anything like that. I seriously believe that a wiki should be on-wiki and all decisions made there. Inevitably, an IRC chat will lead to some edit with the reasoning "We Decided" (off-wiki) and I've never thought that to be fair to the casual user of Wikinews or Wikipedia. That is why I make WN:CABAL jokes. I do that to encourage people to fully explain the decision on-wiki. "It was decided off-wiki" really grinds me to no end. And I saw it before my 'come-back'. Early on, I decided against IRC. I'd treat Wikinews as a profession, not a club of friends.
Wikinews was a little more than a year old when I joined, I think. Brian McNeil, Bawolff, Blood Red Sandman, Jcart were some of the more influential compatriots at the time. I think Pi zero was just phasing in as I was was phasing out. And yes, it does look like you and Pi zero became somewhat of a lonesome tandem in recent times.
Perhaps this made you territorial. I don't know. But I was shocked at how aggressively you attacked everything I did when I came back to active editing. Would you do the same to Brian McNeil? I don't mean to put myself on his level, but still, I am one of the elders. So, when someone attacks my credibility, I need to defend it. Well, we all know where it went from there.
P.S. In the "Match Reports", especially about Bundesliga, I found requests from you to add to the category Category:Bundesliga. Pi zero had repeatedly turned them down, saying the cat should be about league news, not matches. I thought this to be crazy. What doesn't belong more in a Bundesliga category than a Bundesliga match? So I added whenever I saw them.
Cheers, I hope we can work together more smoothly in the future. --SVTCobra 16:50, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
I don't think I understood what your "lonesome tandem" comment meant. All I can say is our (me and Pizero's) discussions are friendly constructive-criticism based, where I am the one attacking and they are the one explaining me everything. As far as Brian McNeil's position is concerned, we had very limited conversation, and mostly because I was under a requested block (to focus on exams, yet edited from static IP) and I can't recall having a discussion after when they said sports articles are 'breads and circuses' -- I had written five articles that day, all five were football match reports, I guess I have written around 170 football till date. But I believe, I started writing about other topics after those comments, which I felt harsh -- well, almost everything seems to be harsh when you are a seventeen-year-old boy, I assume.
•–• 17:11, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
<Pi zero drops in; pardon>

@Acagastya: For the record, you are not a "huge disappointment" to me. On a project with a review system such as en.wn's, there is inevitably a phase transition that hopefully takes place, from a newcomer who doesn't yet grok the system, to an insider ("Wikinewsie") who does grok and whose disagreements on policy are fundamentally clueful. Many users never get past the grey area between the two phases. You, imo, have got past the grey area and are solidly an insider; we all keep learning, but when you disagree with me I take your opinion seriously, and I welcome not only having an ally on "hard news" issues (I notice mentors of mine amongst your list of other influences) but also having a colleague with independent opinions who's willing to disagree with me.

Re IRC (@SVTCobra): On one hand, I agree that one should generally try to avoid "decided on IRC" situations. On the other hand, IRC can be a very potent tool for communicating understanding, as remarks can be made more casually than on-wiki, so that reporter and reviewer can get much closer views of each other's thinking. I suspect Acagastya wouldn't have picked up so much of my thinking without IRC. Laura Hale used to hang around IRC during writing and reviewing of her articles, and it wasn't obvious just how much benefit she was getting out of it until near the end of her time here, when she was apparently distancing herself from the community, and her last few articles were submitted without connecting to IRC with the result that problems were vastly harder to handle in real time and she had a lot more trouble getting things published. (Without IRC, problems during review usually require a not-ready/revise/resubmit cycle.) I recall a few times with DragonFire1024 where we managed to get synthesis published in remarkably short timeframes thanks to interaction on IRC (iirc we once beat AP to press with a trending story from the southeast US). --Pi zero (talk) 17:18, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Maybe we should chat on Telegram so Pi zero doesn't spy on our conversations. --SVTCobra 17:34, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Well, you know my username.
•–• 23:12, 14 May 2018 (UTC)


Stale and do not self publish is all you had to say about this: लाल किला 25 करोड़ रुपयेमे अपनाया डालमिया भारत समूहने???? How about the most glaring problem with the submission? --SVTCobra 06:06, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

I did not check for the copyright issues -- I slept very late after writing the article *and* translating one of the sources. I thought about writing (and/or translating) this article, but turns out that it is stale. I am currently fixing certain things in my article (higher priority because it is a published story), so flagging it stale is one of the things I could quickly do. I know there is chunk of things to do, like mark it for deletion for foreign language article, suggest moving to appropriate project, tell the author what the problem is , about freshness, style guide, and language, tell the person who "published" the article that they can not publish articles, but that can wait for some time, I believe.
•–• 06:11, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
Oh, by the way, even though translating is easy, doing it at 3 in the morning with severe headache makes it difficult. (Just a note if you or anyone ever wants me to translate Hindi to English)
•–• 06:13, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
Did you notice that those same two authors also self-published a piece of spam? --SVTCobra 06:26, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

3 in the morning? It's nearly that time here. Isn't it afternoon for you? --SVTCobra 06:30, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes, it is. I slept after 4:17. I did not note that they spammed the main space, however, that article in Hindi was newsworthy once, with sources title matching the focus of the story. I don't go for who wrote it, but what they wrote. But if they write something which is no longer fresh, there isn't much I can do.
•–• 06:41, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Category:Jammu and Kashmir[edit]

We should not be partisan in these kinds of matters. The whole of Kashmir is disputed, and no part of the Indian state is outside the disputed area. I see no harm in highlighting it is part of a disputed region. Green Giant (talk) 18:09, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Jammu, Kashmir, Jammu and Kashmir, PoK, IAK, CAK everything is different from one another, some don't even overlap. ANd actually, there are disputes in the North Easter Region as well.
•–• 18:15, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
Hmm... Let’s not confuse the issues. As far as I recall from the numerous protracted debates on English Wikipedia, the Indian, Chinese and Pakistani administered areas all overlap. India claims the whole of the former princely state but governs about half. Pakistan claims the whole as well but governs about a third. China claims and controls the northeastern part. They are not different from each other but all form part of the dispute. It doesn’t serve us well to take sides, when we should really be neutral. Green Giant (talk) 18:51, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
Definitely you did not understand what I meant when I said "some don't even overlap" -- that means either one is proper subset of the other, or they are disjoint (PoK, CAK are disjoint) BEsides, let me make this clear -- I am not taking sides. The only bias which can be slipped in is because the schools do not teach the truth when the school board is regulated by the government -- they never told me Jerusalem was not accepted as Israel's capital, and six months ago, I did not know that case.
•–• 19:08, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
Wikinewsies should never get into into Wikipedia-style debates. We don't have time, and our policies and practices are meant to avoid such labor-intensive nonsense.

The only question we need to answer here is, does Pakistan claim all of the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir? --Pi zero (talk) 19:50, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

"does Pakistan claim all of the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir?" No. (Also, btw, a baseless claim does not do any good -- Trump claims he is a stable genius. I beg to differ)
•–• 20:47, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
We still get to report when he tells everyone how brilliant he is, though. --Pi zero (talk) 20:57, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
(Clarification: a dispute between nations is a dispute between nations, regardless of how anyone justifies their position.) --Pi zero (talk) 20:59, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

at least this case s different from China vs Taipei or Israel vs Palestine.
•–• 21:11, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Ok, without wanting to complexify things, I have found this resolution by the Pakistani National Assembly, from 11 April 2018. It is one of a number of such resolutions and it seems they dispute the Indian claim to Kashmir. From a little further back, there is this comment in 2014 by the Pakistani minister for Kashmir, in which he says "Pakistanis consider Pakistan incomplete without Kashmir". Finally there is the official website, which has a fuzzy map at the top left, which appears to include more than just the Pakistani-controlled areas. That seems to be an unequivocal claim to the territory controlled by India. I would say this all suggests the answer to the question is "yes", Pakistan does claim the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir. Green Giant (talk) 23:06, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
"Indian Occupied Jammu and Kashmir". Seems straightforward enough. --Pi zero (talk) 23:10, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
@Pi zero: I might also add that article 257 of the Pakistani constitution seems to make an assumption that Jammu and Kashmir will "accede to Pakistan" at some point. I don’t think that leaves any doubt on their position. Green Giant (talk) 23:20, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
The question is: does Pakistan claim entire Jammu and Kashmir? And the answer is no. If it weren’t the case, I should not have been allowed to visit JK, JK people should receive Pakistani passport, and Pakistani law should apply. Well, recently, Asifa Bano’s father approached SCoI, and SCoI made a ruling. None of that should have been possible if Pakistan had 100% claim. The thing about claiming is just like asking a person if they want a million dollars or ten dollars. When you are getting more, why would you say no? But in this case if it was true, Bano’s family would have appealed in Pakistani SC.
•–• 04:01, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
That's not about whether Pakistan claims it, that's about whether Pakistan has the power to enforce their claim. --Pi zero (talk) 04:17, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
In that case, Pakistan has been trying to get JK for ages. So many wars fought, movies about those wars released, soldiers won Param Veer Chakra. Just to make it clear, Azad means independent but Azad Kashmir is a province and it is not same s JK.
•–• 04:33, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Berlin court: neutrality law above German religious freedom, bans teacher headscarves in primary school[edit]

Reviewed and published. Congratulations. Green Giant (talk) 00:33, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

What you might not have noticed is that it was my 300th published article, took me three years and twelve days since my first edit; otherwise eight days short of three years since my first published article.
•–• 04:04, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
Ah well, double congratulations then. Keep it up. :) Green Giant (talk) 08:18, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
300! --Pi zero (talk) 15:21, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
[[:File:Wikinews Lead Reporter.png|thumb|left|150px|Congratulations. You have triple earned the title of Lead Reporter. Cheers, --SVTCobra 15:43, 12 May 2018 (UTC)]]
(Converted the award photo to photo link so that it is easy to follow through the thread) Thank you Green Giant, Pi zero and SVTCobra. Well, the credit goes to Pi zero, for reviewing at least 290 of them; for teaching me how to even write an article, Bddpaux, Tom Morris, Brian McNeil, Bencherlite, BRS, Bawolff, RockerballAustralia, Gryllida and all those who wrote, and reviewed the aricles in the archives. To Zanimum for my first formal interview as an accredited reporter, and many more whom I forgot to mention. Exactly three years ago, I was wondering what would happen in my entrance exams and was literally "lost", both on-wiki and off-wiki. back then, I did not know how to convince Pi zero that it was the best I could write so please do something about it! Gong to bed hoping the article gets published. I still hope the same (unless I stay up until article is published) but maybe that joy has vanished over time. There was a time when I hoped there were no review comments, meaning the article was "okay", and then there is this day when I want review comments so that I can improve upon minute things. It has been an incredible journey so far. BTW, SVTCobra, I can not tripple earn that award -- it has a range, 100-500 and I am below 500. Still, a long way to go. Let's see how many can I get published until I am no longer a teen.
•–• 23:23, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
Just fell ten short of 400. Would have been something. But well, 390 isn't that bad.
•–• 00:12, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Emoji redirects[edit]

I have no way of finding these redirects, like the 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 which we discussed. I think you are probably the only person to have created such redirects. Are there more than the England and Scotland ones? If so, could you please add them to Category:Emoji redirects? I can't do it myself since I can't find them and have no tool for searching for them. Thanks, --SVTCobra 02:00, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

@SVTCobra: You might find useful the DPL at Category:Discretionary mainspace redirects. --Pi zero (talk) 02:36, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
or the hard way, that is [ list of last 100 pages I have created. I started with India’s (talk) 04:13, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

File:SupprFfnet 052012.jpg[edit]

I know you are very much an advocate for the rights of original content creators. What are your thoughts on this image? I'd appreciate if you could spare a few minutes. Thanks, --SVTCobra 12:47, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

You should not be knowing that -- have you been intercepting and reading my private messages lately? Well, for the problem with the table, which I noticed this afternoon; here are my thoughts:
  1. Fonts do not have copyright in the US.
  2. The data in the table (which is not copyrightable, unlike what Pi zero said for the Eurovision article) can not be copyrightable:
    1. The reason is, it is below the threshold of originality (ToO) -- there is no element of creativity involved. Putting the data available publicly is not something copyrightable. Think of it like this: a table consisting of names and administrative capital of all the countries in Africa -- that is not copyrightable. There should be some sort of creativity involved -- but now that I think of it, will the exclusive information qualify for "creativity" or a "special" status? Considering Gry's research, I think I should ping them for the response even if there could be a CoI -- @Gryllida: (she checks her talk, so she might even see the echo notification)
  3. Usage of publicly available information may not necessarily be non-copyrightable. See the photos of data visualisation of digits of pi. Here, the element of creativity was how to form the design, and the code used to make that data visualisation.
    •–• 13:53, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Commonwealth confirms receiving Zimbabwe's application to rejoin the bloc[edit]

Reviewed and published. Congratulations. Green Giant (talk) 19:34, 22 May 2018 (UTC)[edit]

just asking if u can join this new project by jimbo wales. its like wikinews but i think its better. just saying. thanks. i should have a right to freely advetise cuz is pilot. new project. --Tribuneman2018 (talk) 22:04, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Convince me. I did not join Wikinews because of Wales. It is not like Wikinews because it publishes opinions. And I have a right to say no. Is there anything else you have to say? (talk) 22:10, 22 May 2018 (UTC)


I didn't just pull the idea out of my hat. I did google searches for both "Londonese" and "Londonese club". And I looked at Londonese on Wiktionary and other dictionaries. If you want to make a case for future use of "Londonese" let's have the talk now. BTW, I don't think there's anything misleading or incorrect about saying "London club". And you should know I also changed it in Football: Chelsea beats Manchester United 1-0 to win English FA Cup, pending review. --SVTCobra 11:42, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

There is a difference between "a London club" and "the London club".
•–• 12:22, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
Yeaahh, correct ... one is an indefinite article and the other is a definite article ... where are you going with this? --SVTCobra 12:47, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
Difference between "London club" and "London-based club", perhaps? I can see how "London-based" is clearer. Though I hope we don't blow this all out of proportion; it's desirable to make these things crisply lucid, but if in the process we leave behind in the archives some things that are merely clear enough to be getting on with, c'est la vie. --Pi zero (talk)

Italian club SSC Napoli appoints Carlo Ancelotti as their new manager[edit]

Review passed. Congratulations. (Yes I know you are aware but it is courteous to inform on your talkpage). Green Giant (talk) 22:46, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

I know -- these messages were one of my favourites when I was a noob here, but after some time, Pi zero stopped doing it. It is up to you, really, even though I appreciate it, it takes reviewer's time, so just to let you know, I am okay if you don't do it -- we are always short on time for news. Thank you for the review, by the way.
•–• 22:49, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
Leaving little customized notes on authors' user talk pages after a review is on our wish list of things for a semi-automated review assistant to help with. --Pi zero (talk) 22:56, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
Gryllida was also saying something about this. BTW, @Green Giant: I know you don't use IRC frequently, but it would be really helpful to be online for a live communication, discussion with the author is quite helpful, for the reviewer when there is any confusion or need of clarification.
•–• 22:58, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
I’m not criticising using it for reviewing but it’s just never attracted me as a useful tool. However, I’ll try to be on IRC next time I review. Green Giant (talk) 23:08, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
Might be -- since I have found an IM to have a discussion about every edit with reviewer/author useful. Okay, I should focus on matching up to the speed of reviewer's review speed.
•–• 23:13, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

South African batsman de Villiers announces retirement from international cricket[edit]

In the third paragraph, was it all meant to be a single sentence? The first sentence as it stands is incomplete. Green Giant (talk) 00:36, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

@Green Giant: "de Villiers' batting average is above 50 in test match as well as One Day International (ODI) formats of the game. de Villiers has featured in 228 ODI and 78 Twenty20 (T20) matches for South Africa. He has scored 9577 and 1672 runs in ODIs and T20s respectively."
•–• 00:38, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
The "is" was missing. Reviewed. Passed. Congratulations! Green Giant (talk) 01:11, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Provincial Assembly votes to merge with Pakistani Federally Administered Tribal Areas[edit]

Reviewed and passed. Congratulations! I put it in Lead 2, replacing the previous article on the issue, which I think is better than having two articles on a similar topic. Green Giant (talk) 23:35, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for reviewing it -- well, whenever we have a follow-up article, they should be replaced in the lede. I remember once beating a lot of MSMs for an article, and then I wrote a follow up article, and the former article did not even get a day on the main page lede section.
•–• 00:01, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
I note that there has been a further development today. The Pakistani President appears to have signed the bill into law. See for example. I’m tempted to write a follow-up article if I have time today. Green Giant (talk) 15:12, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
Oh, please, feel free to -- go ahead. I am really offline for a whole day, and we should not lose the story. If in case, I start an article, DO NOT HESITATE to modify it, or change it significantly. Shall I try to create a basic structure?
•–• 09:18, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
@Green Giant: is it okay if I start as draft right now?
•–• 09:31, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
I have started writing -- I will take some time to put it on-wiki.
•–• 10:07, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
Yes, please feel free to start it. I got distracted yesterday by other in-wiki things. I’ll be happy to review it. Cheers. Green Giant (talk) 11:58, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

UN releases first-ever human rights report on Kashmir[edit]

I know you’re aware of it but this is a courtesy note to say the article has passed review and been published. Congratulations. —Green Giant (talk) 10:15, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Actually, User:DiplomatTesterMan should get equal credit. And I really wanted the article to be entirely their work -- they could have learned a lot, and as a newbie, they did an excellent job. But I could not do things on time. :-/
•–• 10:50, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Football: Arsenal sign Bayer Leverkusen goalkeeper Bernd Leno[edit]

This is as good as a ping. Published. Congratulations. Green Giant (talk) 17:48, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

@Green Giant: Yeah, well, you went missing from IRC.
•–• 17:54, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
I tried IRC Cloud and it just messed me around. At the same time my computer felt it was a good time to install more updates. I’m now on my mobile while it is rebooting. Green Giant (talk) 18:01, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
@Green Giant: You will be working on the Colombia article, right?
•–• 18:04, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
I will do. Green Giant (talk) 18:11, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Iván Duque wins Colombia's presidential election[edit]

I know you are aware but a courtesy note: reviewed and published. Congratulations. Green Giant (talk) 20:54, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

@Green Giant: do you think you can manage another review tonight? (I wonder if you had your dinner) If you can review this politics and conflicts article, I will share the sources before I transfer the content online.
•–• 20:56, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
I’m about to go and eat now, so I should be free in about an hour. I’ll be happy to review another article. Green Giant (talk) 21:01, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
One hour -- noted. I am almost done extracting the sources, so I should be able to put it online by then.
•–• 21:09, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

India: Mehbooba Mufti resigns as Jammu and Kashmir Chief Minister as Bharatiya Janata Party breaks alliance[edit]

Another courtesy note. Congratulations. Green Giant (talk) 00:40, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Obtw, we really should avoid renaming after the article is published. It creates duplicate entries in feeds. One extra word (though shoul have been avoided) is no big deal.
•–• 00:44, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Algeria blocks internet across nation to prevent cheating in diploma exams[edit]

Reviewed. Published. Congratulations! Green Giant (talk) 23:06, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Canada: Cannabis to be legal by October 17[edit]

Unfortunately, the Chicago Tribune is not available in Europe, so I’m unsble to complete a review. Green Giant (talk) 23:23, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Vienna Pride[edit]

Concerning your request for images, you can find them here: Commons:Category:Regenbogenparade 2018. Kind regards --Funke (talk) 11:49, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

@Funke: Wow! I am overwhelmed with the number of photos, that to some are really good shots. But FWIW, for a news article, we had a deadline -- so though it may be tricky, I would have to ask a reviewer for their opinions. But well, thank you for sharing the link!
•–• 12:13, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
Oh, I just realized that the pictures have an ugly watermark in the bottom right corner unfortunately (I didn't make them, I only transferred them to Commons), I'm sorry. --Funke (talk) 13:57, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
@Funke: & Acagastya, that can be solved easily (though photo by photo, or just the photo's you need) by enabling Croptool on Commons (overhere). When you watch a photo, "Croptool" can be chosen in de menu at the right. Ymnes (talk) 14:22, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Reviewed and published[edit]

Reviewed. Published. Congratulations. Green Giant (talk) 16:32, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Reviewed. Published. Congratulations. Green Giant (talk) 19:20, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Reviewed and published. Congratulations. Green Giant (talk) 18:46, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
Reviewed and published. Only very minor issues. Green Giant (talk) 22:03, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
Reviewed and published. Congratulations. Green Giant (talk) 21:43, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for reviewing those, Green Giant. And yes, these days I don't visit my talk page anymore due to FWC18.
•–• 21:49, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
Reviewed and published. Cheers. Green Giant (talk) 23:25, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
Reviewed and published. Cheers. Green Giant (talk) 15:31, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

FIFA World Cup 2018 Last 16: Russia, Croatia beat Spain, Denmark in penalties[edit]

I'd submitted an edit which, at this moment, is still pending review, btw. --Pi zero (talk) 12:33, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

It ain't over till it's over[edit]

Back at you.

For writing that entire set of World Cup match reports and enabling those ton[ne]s of categories! --Pi zero (talk) 12:49, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
Required a clear? Hmm. Well, thank you!
•–• 05:39, 19 July 2018 (UTC)


You asked about possible articles. During my occasional article-writing periods, I remember having trouble choosing stories. I've just trawled the google news aggregator, and while I was moved to look into about five stories that I saw, most of them had flaws that caused me to shy away from them. The only one still on my list at the end was

Another I noted was about a Jewish Nation-State bill in Israel, which sounds like it would disenfranchise Israeli citizens who aren't Jewish and I think was to be considered by the Knesset on Wednesday, meaning none of the articles I saw would be up-to-date. There was also something about a "yes means yes" bill to be considered in Spain, but it wasn't clear to me whether there was any identifiable specific event that wasn't still in the future. --Pi zero (talk) 04:42, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for leaving the note. FWIW, I was going to write about Jewish State bill (how can we both stumble across same articles? What kind of sorcery is this?) Well, it was supposed to happen on Wednesday, but none of the sources spoke whether the votes were counted or not.
•–• 05:38, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
Al Jazeera said it is passed. So Australia, Israel, Turkey coming up.
•–• 05:45, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

ant-man and the wasp actor defends gunn[edit]

new article for you if u like to add any info on? Glassywings (talk) 21:01, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

It was late last night, I will tuck it in the same article -- I will be adding information about Dave Batista, so this comes with it.
•–• 07:09, 22 July 2018 (UTC)


--Pi zero (talk) 22:42, 25 July 2018 (UTC)


Fwiw. Focal event on Friday.

--Pi zero (talk) 01:56, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Focal event on (alas) Thursday.
--Pi zero (talk) 13:38, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Re England won and take lead in the 5 match test series versus India[edit]

Not sure what to make of this, the source is unreadable. Gryllida (talk) 03:29, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Removal of content[edit]

It is my belief that you needed to add that revision to the article talk page, rather than discarding it. I am really hopeful that my comments are not removed in the future like this, without a notification. I do not always watch recent changes and this revision is a lot harder for people to find in the history than in the talk page; they were left a message on the talk page and then this message started to refer to nothing. Gryllida (talk) 08:40, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

I restored the edit which I wanted to. Edit summary made it very clear. Your edit made it very difficult for anyone to make sense. A newbie would have found it extremely difficult. Plus, you left a note on this talk, which I assume, you were asking me to do something about it, so I am. Those concerns which you had raised should have been on talk. It is not meant to be outside the journalist's space to begin with. "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it." I don't suppose there is anyone else active right now, who can get that article submitted. So I need to work on that. (talk) 10:00, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
You didn't do anything. Acagastya did.
Anyone can take the draft to edit. That is not really concerning to me. I in fact welcome any improvements.
My concern is that misplaced comments can be moved (NOT removed).
I was holding a conversation with the original author, on their talk page, and I was linking them to the article revision where they could see my comments. Their removal has interfered with that conversation. And the burden of fixing that became on me. Now I need to link them to the article talk page and explain that my comments are now at a different location. Not really a pleasant experience!! (It would be really nice if I was not subject to such a misfortune the next time I deem something useful and put it into an article draft.)
Hope it helps you, Have a great day. Gryllida (talk) 10:56, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
Then I hope you link the difference instead of the page, and make sure that you leave "comments" out of the main space, and drop them on talk page instead.
•–• 11:31, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Day and place of publication[edit]

I'm concerned that the pure issue may have gotten muddled, in the article and its talk page, with a bunch of other issues that occur with it in that specific situation. So I'm hoping we can discuss this single issue, just a bit, without distractions.

Why do you think these two data should occur adjacent to each other in an article about publication of a scientific result? --Pi zero (talk) 22:18, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Bridge collapse in India[edit]

--Gryllida (chat) 21:19, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

I would prefer an indef-opt-out from any sort of article requests or suggestions, Gryllida.
•–• 19:52, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi Acagastya,
You asked for article suggestions at least three times previously, hence the suggestion. You are good at writing and you know the local sources well so I thought it could indeed be a nice idea that could inspire you to write about this topic. I'm terribly sorry that I am not aware of a change in your approach to this. What has changed? Why are article suggestions not welcome today? --Gryllida (chat) 23:54, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
I don't suppose I got an answer to this one? Gryllida chat / how do YOU get started? 05:16, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Don't remove content, please.[edit]

1) I am not obligated to monitor article history to fight for the presence of the content which I added.

When taking the liberty to remove content, particularly when you know where it should go, please take the responsibility for adding it to the correct location yourself.

2) I think both locations are correct because in {{develop}} phase the article is a draft.

--Gryllida (chat) 04:50, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

How about you let me save the revision without an edit conflict? First of all, it should have been on the talk page. Secondly, when I went on to move the content to talk page, you already had.
•–• 04:51, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
1) Move it to the talk page prior to the removal? 2) If you make User:Gryllida/js/UnderReview.js work, I'll use such a button for adding {{editing}} when I click the 'edit' tab. I can't figure out how to prepend text to a page via the currently existing API query libraries. --Gryllida (chat) 04:58, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
That should not be there on the article page, so even if I do not put it on talk page (which would be only morally wrong) you can't chastise me for that. Also, I would rather not surrender myself for the "technologies", for those activities which I can do manually without much effort. Reliant on bots and scripts should not be there for every single thing.
•–• 07:02, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
I congratulate you on re-iterating that erasing my meaningful remarks is a productive use of time. I also congratulate you on denying this point: "Clicking 'edit', typing '{{under review}}', clicking 'save' then clicking 'edit' again is a lot of work that may be semi-automated which may improve the life of those who run into edit conflicts.". Personally I find both achievements counter productive to news production but it is your decision now what to do. --Gryllida (chat) 10:23, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
See, if you really want this place to end up as the arena to pull each others hair, well, I don't know what to say. However, I am in a awe: I wonder how you extrapolated from what I wrote to the "meaningful" remarks as whatever the rhetorical fuck you wanted. Seriously, talk page exists for remarks, so use it. Stop chastising me for that. Also, in that last year, I have reviewed more articles than you have, and I was more active than you have been; I never ran into edit conflicts, because I know how to clear the cache and check before making any edits--and this is when there were at least four reviewers: me, Pi zero, SVTCobra and Green Giant. I am not stopping you from using any of the scripts that you want to use. Just that I don't feel the real need to use it. It takes a simple Ctrl+Shift+R, Alt+Shift+E, under review template, and Alt+Shift+S. It may seem a lot of work, as compared to a simple click, but I would rather not slow down page loading for my account on my internet connection for doing something that hardly takes two seconds. You call semi-automation as making things easier; I take it as making humans lazy.
•–• 12:03, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
I recommend everyone lower the tone of discussion. --Pi zero (talk) 13:23, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

civilty in reviewer role[edit]

ESPECIALLY as a reviewer you are required to NOT BELITTLE the authors even if they are not learning (and especially so)

--Gryllida (talk) 19:29, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

(their response is incivil also, this is discussed at their alk page
but what you say needs to be unconditionally incivil and 'they are not doing it right' is not a working excuse Gryllida (talk) 19:31, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
"Darkfrog24 not noticing RC. That sounds similar." is not what you say to encourage learning process... Special:PermaLink/4443189 Gryllida (talk) 06:22, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
Let's discuss that in real time.
•–• 06:55, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Review privs[edit]

You've twice self-sighted edits too extensive to appropriately self-sight. And put much more effort into repeatedly doing what doesn't work than it have taken to do something that did work. You are usually a great asset to the project, but you seem out of sorts atm. I'm especially alarmed by the inappropriate self-sighting; we need to be able to trust you not to misuse the priv. --Pi zero (talk) 06:54, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

let me avoid all the cussing I could. Use your eyes, and compare the difference. Tell me if adding spaces in between the source template for human readability is "too extensive". (talk) 06:59, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
@Pi zero: I expect you answering about it when you wake up. (talk) 07:07, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
This isn't something that can be done reliably by eye. The only way I can see to be sure of what is being done would be to undo, or restruct, your edit one character at a time (this could be done in preview, without saving, but that's little consolution), which would take far more effort by a reviewer than your edit took in the first place. --Pi zero (talk) 07:16, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
Don't give me that bullshit. I know that this was the edit I can self-sight. So, now that you have sorted it out the hard way, within 24-hour mark, use your eyes or semi-automate it, I don't care: when you have to audacity to say shit, you sure can find time to check for yourself, as a perfectionist. Let's see who was right and who was not.
•–• 11:10, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

You are the one who claims it was too extensive to self-sight. It is on you to prove it. Burden of proof is on your shoulders, not mine.
•–• 11:19, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

I realize de-escalation is called for; a few small residual points, fwiw.
  • Separate from current acrimony: Human eyes are a potent tool when used to advantage; for best effect, though, one wants a synergy of human and automated elements.
  • An avoidance-worthy hazard is moving goalposts. You started out treating the change as something not to self-sight, and later treated it as self-sight-able after two reviewers found your edit impractical to untangle and therefore wouldn't sight it.
  • It seems Gryllida too was previously unaware of how obfuscating the platform's diff algorithm could be. Although this isn't a new drawback of the wiki platform, perhaps my efforts to work around it have made it less likely for others to notice.
--Pi zero (talk) 14:25, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
Don't give me that shit. The reason I did not self sight initially was due to the fact that I fixed a typo, and I did not know if that was the intended usage as I did not read the article completely, and did not want to assume. I was very well aware of what else I was sighting for the next two times. I don't give two fucks about what you think human eyes can or can not do or what MediaWiki can or can not do. About your two reviewer bullshit, you both love technology so much, that you can't use your own fucking eyes even though I told you nicely what changes I had done.
You come to my talk page and talk about "trust" while you choose to not trust me as someone who knows when I can sight an edit, the irreversible cracks have already appeared. The only thing you can do is to a) compare the revisions and reach to a conclusion about was it too extensive, and then declare who was right b) not compare the revisions and leave baseless accusations just like that. Your call. What would you do now, @Pi zero:? (talk) 16:05, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
I've pointed out, by now, many of the basic points of this. It really does look as if you're letting your mood interfere with your assessment of the situation. I recommend letting yourself step down from that state. --Pi zero (talk) 16:25, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
Don't give me that BS, pi. Just write here (after you have compared the differences, of course) what was the difference, and if it is too extensive. Cut the crap, prove your point. Leave your opinions as they would not help proving your point. You can not escape answering this forever, @Pi zero:. Take all the fucking time you need, but the delay would only reflect on you not having any proof to support your baseless claim. (I wonder if you checked the difference of the first edit when I mentioned typo and changed the stance for "An avoidance-worthy hazard is moving goalposts"). Tell you what, when you question trustworthiness, and without solid grounds, you have done all the damage. Only thing remaining is can you still stick to ethics and morals and reach to an unbiased conclusion. (talk) 16:36, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
I can't tell what you're asking for. Gryllida and I both found the diffs on that edit to be of no help in a visual determination of what was going on; so perhaps you're asking for "proof" of something else. --Pi zero (talk) 17:04, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

proof that it was indeed extensive. Use any means. Compare individual characters in the entire source code and reach the conclusion. Do not stall by going in circles. You pulled this off in the morning. You still have not stopped. (talk) 17:10, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

I never started. If you think I'd use tactics like that, you don't know me at all (which suggests that you do know I wouldn't, and leaves me not sure why you'd say that).

I can see where each of us committed small misunderstandings and slight misjudgements that kept making things worse and worse, but most of that, it seems unlikely we could sort out carefully. One point were we've been especially talking past each other, though, is that, in disucssing whether or not the edit was suitable to self-sight, you appear to be asking whether the edit was substantive, whereas I'm looking at whether it was reviewable. (One could ask whether reviewability should be a factor in whether or not one self-sights, and I'd have to say it depends on the context of the situation; this situation was very messy, and I don't even know whether I agree with my own spot-judgement on that from my earlier comments.) On the facts of the situation, I never claimed it was substantive. Re reviewability: A reviewer looking at the diff for that edit — and, intentionally or not, you did ask that some other reviewer assess the edit — would naturally think, this diff is a garbled mess, I can't tell anything from this diff. The reason diffs are provided in the first place is that examining edits byte-by-byte is not something human beings are good at doing reliably unless aided by some sort of visualization tool. For my part (can't speak for Gryllida), I also recognized it as a case where the diff software was confused. I've dealt with reviewing edits like that many times, and know how much of a tedious mess it is, whereas it can all be vastly easier if the person making the edit splits it up into multiple edits, which I also know from experience is easy for them to do. I tried to ask you to do that; somehow or other, the request went wrong. --Pi zero (talk) 18:39, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Just because you feel uncomfortable because of the current gadgets and tools and can't objectively decide, but in this case, I can; it does not mean that you should restrict me for the same thing. I am not overly reliant like others, and if you think otherwise, it is your problem. You have been continuously changing your stance, quite unusual. (talk) 07:33, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
You may notice Pi zero wanted to satisfy your needs: he wanted the edit to occur in the future (as a series of small edits). Pi zero's need was to obtain a readable diff; there was no effort on your part to satisfy that. Would you agree? Gryllida (talk) 00:55, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
Don't give me that shit, Gry. What happened to your: "We value every contributor, and whatever they do, we should appreciate that" thing of yours? Why are you comparing efforts here? In any case, I can turn the condition and ask, pizero and you, both, had no effort to check the difference. I can also say, Gry, I put effort to review, write and fix articles regardless of what time it is. You don't seem to be putting efforts. So what was your point comparing anyone's effort? (talk) 07:33, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
Comparing the diff manually leaves the history unreadable to others. We have a duty to expect that others can use the website without installing git. Gryllida (talk) 08:03, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
again changing your stance. I told you as in Gryllida to use git because you are the one who wants automation for anything that you can think of. Others have eyes, and they can read the summaries and not everyone complains about the difference viewer. (talk) 11:56, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Request to use images in a Wikipedia article[edit]

Hi. I was wondering if you could put one or two images from the Bangalore Comic Con into the Wikipedia article for Comic Con India. OR, can you just confirm if images you have uploaded onto Wikinews can be used on Wikipedia. Thanks. Wonderful writeup and images are awesome! DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 08:25, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

@DiplomatTesterMan: Usage restriction of "only on Wikinews" was added while requestion media accreditation, which means the photos are "not free", but can be used as Fair Use (except photos of living people) on enwp. You may carry on to export any photo to enwp, if you can write a FU rationale. I would not know what exactly you were looking for. But I can help with FUR.
•–• 19:18, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Wikinews attends 2018 Bangalore ComicCon[edit]

You'll likely be interested to know I've nommed this to be a featured article. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 17:27, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

spambot procedure[edit]

You were suggesting, I notice, a procedure of "remove the spam, and if spam is persistent, protect the page and then block the spammer". I'd dabbled in that sort of procedure. I've always tended to give users more benefit-of-doubt than many admins (both here and on other projects), which sometimes causes me trouble. However, we have a massive spambot problem with userpage spambots following that specific pattern, and the procedure I've found practical is, indefblock the user, nuke, put a tag on their user page, and if they were actually a human being they could object and we could then consider whether they really come across as human. Very rarely, someone I've blocked has objected, and on some of those occasions after some conversation I lifted the block; but I don't think recall ever getting such an objection from one of these standard-form spambot cases. --Pi zero (talk) 13:35, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

I might add, I've sometimes blocked these userpage spambots even though the bot has malfunctioned and omitted the link. --Pi zero (talk) 13:37, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
That is not how I think spam should be dealt. I used the example of what we do for articles. If an article is written which looks spammy, we don't delete it; if possible, the story is written by an experienced user if they can. But if the alleged spammer continues the action, then they are blocked. What happens to the article is secondary, which may involve protection of page, as post review procedure would also see.
•–• 13:53, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
Articles that are somewhat spammy may be treated as you describe, yes. However, many pages created in mainspace get deleted on sight and the creating account indefblocked. It's a matter of judging likely intent; some pages are meant to be ads, some are valid news stories that have been written in a way that comes out with a promotional feel to it. For the latter case, it doesn't help that mainstream news coverage of the release of new products tends to be vulnerable to being shaped by the company releasing the product (more in some industries than in others), so that imitating the style of mainstream coverage would result in an unacceptably promotional tilt. However, outright ads in mainspace are far more common; if you don't see many of them, that means we're doing reasonably well at deleting them promptly. --Pi zero (talk) 14:22, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
I never said I don't see many of them. Actually, I have seen enough, and had fair share of pinging admins at various places to block spammers that I just don't care as much as I did before. It is just that you first get the spam content out, and then see what should be done. Now, it is up to the admin how they wish to proceed, with each one's mind working differently from others.
•–• 14:32, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Problems with wikinewsie email or scoop[edit]

I sent an email to scoop and to my personal wikinewsie address, they both work instantly.

Could you please describe your problems ASAP including screenshots and any texts of error messages.

--Gryllida (talk) 21:15, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

I do not know if I have a screenshot available, Gryllida. Let me tell you how the problem arises: sending five emails in an hour. The Mail delivery failure says:
This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

Domain has exceeded the max defers and failures per hour (5/5 (100%)) allowed. Message discarded.. Also, I am not in the scoop mailing list which means I can not see anything sent to scoop and hence, I can't review it.
•–• 05:30, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

To reproduce it I should send five emails in an hour to my personal wikinewsie email address? Gryllida (talk) 05:35, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@Gryllida: sending five emails should give you that error. But I would not suggest doing that. Someone might need it, at it would be better to coordinate with BRS before trying. (CCBlood Red Sandman
•–• 09:39, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
OK, thanks, I guess it would be nice to let brianmc know instead of testing it out. Gryllida (talk) 09:48, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
I've wondered in which direction these failures are supposed to go. One theory is that various users on scoop have set their accounts to forward to other addresses (which I recall brianmc, once upon a time, objecting against as insecure practice), and various of the forwarding addresses are dead, so that each time something is sent to scoop, scoop in turn sends a bunch of emails out that fail, and that quickly exceeds the threshold and is... in some sense, stoppered. If so, the solution would presumably be to disable the forwards to broken addresses. --Pi zero (talk) 13:41, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Denis Cheryshev.jpg[edit]

  • Acagastya Don't you notice that in the photo the hero came out unsuccessfully Denis_Cheryshev. Even quite poorly. There are other photos.... No need to explain anything when it's bad. Do you want to laugh or are you mocking? It's not good to be a dictator. With respect, Aleksandr Veprev (talk) 21:13, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
There is no good point you have presented to actually make the swap. The current photo is good for the category, and I see no point updating the category page every time there is an image available which someone likes more than other.
•–• 13:24, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

File:2018 Bangalore ComicCon (media) 235.jpg[edit]

Hello. Just out of curiosity, why does this file (and others like it) have a fair use rationale? Normally fair use applies to limited use of work without permission from the copyright holder but it looks odd to also have a license issued by yourself. Cheers. Green Giant (talk) 08:35, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

@Green Giant: Reading the rationale, I recall while getting the media accreditation, it was agreed the media would be used only for Wikinews. Now, I can choose to release the media in CC0 1.0 which I generally do on WMC. But since it was agreed the restrictions on usage, and conflicting with journalistic ethics; I left the FUR. Bddpaux, BRS, or Brian McNeil might have helped me with the journalistic half. (@Bddpaux, Blood Red Sandman: any suggestions what to do when I am in a messy situation like that? (talk) 17:57, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
See, I'm not a good person to discuss this with. Acagastya tends to venture WAAAAAAAAAY INTO THE NETHER REALMS of being SUPER CAREFUL with licensing and yada-yada-yada. Y'know, I'm an American......and we REALLY take 'Freedome of the Press' seriously over here. We've had 7-day discussions on this project about 'Accreditation' and what it means in the U.S. compared to other countries. (Don't misunderstand: Some knuckleheads shouldn't be allowed to call themselves journalists, but I digress).....but you non-American blokes have all manner of INSANITY you have to put up with to call yourselves 'journalists''s not like that here. I do my professional work in Social Work and I find both in that field and in journalism you have the 'Ethics police' trolling you all the time, and whoever is the MOST CONSERVATIVE is the one who is 'right'. All that is only made worse by me NOT being much of an expert on Fair Use. See, I don't understand why Acagastaya would've even dove into the topic of 'Fair Use' when he attended that convention. I'd bet there was a disclaimer taped to the front door, too. 'Hey, can I take your photo?' is about as deep as I WOULD'VE EVER GOTTEN at an event like that. Then, I would've just slapped CC 3.0 on the photo at Commons and called it a day.....but that's just me. (Sorry, I know this didn't help much) --Bddpaux (talk) 15:52, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
Bddpaux, that’s pretty much my view of this. My understanding of copyright is tainted by Commons, which is why I find it odd to have this situation. Acagastya, if you took the photos, then you are entitled to license them. I don’t think you need a FUR, because you are not using someone else’s work without their permission. I’d be interested in seeing this accreditation discussion which led you to add the FURs. Green Giant (talk) 19:23, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
@Bddpaux: I have a faint memory that I mentioned this before. But if I did not, well, the ComicCon had banners all over mentioning "Cosplay is not consent [to be photographed]".
•–• 17:02, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
Interesting. As far as I know, you don’t generally need to ask permission to take a photo of someone in India or to publish it. The only relevant restriction here would be someone using such a photo commercially. I might be wrong but I am more firmly of the opinion that these files don’t need the FUR. Green Giant (talk) 21:22, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
According to the Commons info you linked to, India requires consent for commercial use of a published picture of a person in a public space. But since it's being published with an NC license, it does look like it's not fair use. --Pi zero (talk) 22:08, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

@Green Giant: not-so-but-fairly-related Commons discussion: link.
•–• 18:10, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Tunisian Prime Minister signs decree to ban face veils in public institutions, government offices[edit]

Done. —Green Giant (talk) 22:56, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

@Green Giant: yay! FWIW, you have reviewed my 300th and 400th article!
•–• 22:58, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
Weird coincidence? -Green Giant (talk) 23:04, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
Could be.
•–• 23:06, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

You want a diff function like in wiki?[edit]

I was surfing wiki talks as usual, and I found (2 times) you wanted a diff function as of that of wiki.

There's a better solution than github and works offline but there might be some complications.

Generally here are the instructions:

  • Run a php server on your computer (works on smartphone too).
  • Download dokuwiki or pmwiki source code (compressed file).
  • Extract the compressed file on your server main folder.
  • Use any browser and visit your host ( start with localhost: and followed by a number ).

This should give you a personal, free and small wiki-like site with most important functions; It's working just fine on my Android. --Don't call 911 (talk) 19:57, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for dropping by and letting me know about the solutions. (Do not take this in the wrong way, as how BRS, or maybe Green Giant had said: on the internet, we really can not tell the tone.) But for what it is worth, it is just too much work. If I were looking for something that only I had to do, on my local system, I would use Git on VS Code, just add commits, and the visual differences would be there. Github for those who do not use VS Code, and to make their lives simpler. In this case, a human-friendly difference viewer was what I needed, and visualisation of git difference would suffice. If you had a task like that, and I believe you have git, I would suggest you try this method. It works! In any case, if I were looking for a personal wiki, I would come back to this discussion. A few years back I was using Zim for notes, but Gitbook was a better alternative.
Nice! I will try it soon.
Btw, personal question: how do you choose your articles?
Last one about tunisien niqab ban was so special. Even though I was reading news extensively that day It wasn't covered in many news websites, so I had to read it first-hand from you. It looks like you have a sharp sense of what is newsworthy. --Don't call 911 (talk) 23:01, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Category:Mesut Özil[edit]

Yes, I meant to reverse that when I realized how complicated the issue was. I thought he was a one-off situation. I started a discussion at Category talk:News articles by person if you have some thoughts on it. Cheers, --SVTCobra 14:30, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Your opinion[edit]

What is your opinion on this File:Numan Kurtulmuş İsmail Heniye.jpeg image which I hesitantly decided to use. Thanks, --SVTCobra 19:22, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

While the metadata and the file size clarifies the situation, the photo is not clear. I would go for a photo which was sharp. Is there a sharp photo available? I failed to figure out for which article was this media required.
•–• 03:29, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
For Category:Ismail Haniyeh Gryllida (talk) 04:55, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
No, there are only four photos at all in Commons:Category:Ismail Haniyeh. I am pretty sure this is the best one. Also, it is five years newer than the portrait style one we used before, which also wasn't clear. I just wanted to know if you thought the copyright situation was in order. Thanks, --SVTCobra 16:47, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
@SVTCobra: a close-up shoot like that would raise doubts. For me, it did. But then, there is the metadata and the file size supporting it. Image search results did not lead to anything fishy. I would not see any reason to open a DR for CR violation, and we can always ask Green Giant about it.
•–• 10:23, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Yes, that was the red flag for me. How does a random Turkish Wikipedian (it was transferred, I believe) have access to what looks like a closed-door meeting between high-level politicians? Anyway, today I wanted to ask about File:Donald Tsang at WEF 2012.jpg which I uploaded today. I requested a review (clumsily because I'd never needed to before - for a moment I actually managed to post a request for review rights to the image page, d'oh!). The source file is the same as File:Donald Tsang WEF.jpg which has an OTRS ticket, therefore I believe what I uploaded is also OK. The ticket covers the original file, right? We are now really getting into Commons stuff where I feel uneasy, but I think I am right. Can you review it? Or does it need to be somebody with OTRS? I tried to copy over the ticket but of course the software wouldn't let me (LOL). I will never understand people who crop images before they upload them to Commons. Cheers, --SVTCobra 00:55, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Best if @Green Giant: or Materialscientist handle this.
•–• 06:45, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Community Insights Survey[edit]

RMaung (WMF) 14:34, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Reminder: Community Insights Survey[edit]

RMaung (WMF) 19:13, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Reminder: Community Insights Survey[edit]

RMaung (WMF) 17:04, 4 October 2019 (UTC)



Through the whole protracted process, I forgot to ask you a traditional question for admin RFPs: "What are your plans for world domination?" With a link to w:Pinky and the Brain. (Pinky: Gee, Brain, what do you want to do tonight? Brain: The same thing we do every night, Pinky: try to take over the world!) The traditional symbol of adminship (right) is the natural follow-up to that traditional question. --Pi zero (talk) 02:34, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Commiserations on your demotion to Janitor First Class! Don’t hesitate to ask if there is anything you need a hand with. -Green Giant (talk) 10:25, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, @Green Giant:. There are some fancy buttons which I will need time to get used to. I am not used to seeing "Edit Source" for archived articles. I asked pizero on IRC earlier today, if there was a manual or a guide for newbies like me. It is scary, (I guess every admin felt that on their first day), but I am glad I can make those edits I wanted to, and not have to ask someone else to do it.
Depending on the time of the day, I would ask pizero on irc, or on talk page, either to them, or to you, when I feel I can't change this lightbulb.
•–• 10:45, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Question: how can I move (unprotected) pages not rename them?[edit]

I want to rename pages but that leaves a redirect, which I don't want. What permission should I have to do this? (I'm asking you because it came to my knowledge you were promoted to admin. Congratulations!) --Don't call 911 (talk) 11:52, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

@WhaatTF: That is something only admins can do. Or someone who is a steward.
•–• 11:57, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
When an admin is moving a page, they have an option to untick/deselect "Leave a redirect behind". By default, the move will leave a redirect.
•–• 12:02, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank's for quick response. For now I'm stick to tagging with {{delete}} as I'm not planning to become an admin any time soon. --Don't call 911 (talk) 12:24, 5 February 2020 (UTC)


User:Acagastya/common.js is in Category:Speedy deletion, because it includes {{delete}} - can I suggest wrapping either that line or the whole page in nowiki tags so that it isn't categorized? --DannyS712 (talk) 02:47, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Or, use {{tl}}. --Pi zero (talk) 03:01, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Period space space[edit]

Heads up about this edit: period space space Wikimedia's software renders the text the same way no matter how many spaces we put into the Wikicode. There are two spaces after this period. And there is only one space after this one. But as you can see, they appear exactly the same to the reader, as if there were only one in both cases.

If you happen to like putting two spaces in the Wikicode, go right ahead. I don't mind and I don't think anyone else does either. But if you are doing it because you think it changes the reader experience in any way, then your valuable time is best spent elsewhere. Darkfrog24 (talk) 21:21, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

It is not Wikimedia's software which is affecting the number of spaces, it is how browsers display HTML. It changes the reading experience, yes. For someone who is looking at the source code. I don't actively put double spaces to every article. Just for my articles. But I noticed DannyS712 went on to remove the spaces as they had previously done to my article.
To be honest, I have no idea what was your intention of mentioning this. To quote 2017's Darkgrog24, "I prefer two spaces".
•–• 21:30, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

So what you mean is...[edit]

The article I created, Tom Hanks and his wife catch coronavirus, happened too long ago to be on Wikinews? ICameHereForNews (talk) 01:23, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

@ICameHereForNews: Yes. Remember "Facts don't cease to be facts, news ceases to be news". If the focal point of the event didn't take place in the last three days, it is most certainly no longer fresh to be newsworthy.
•–• 01:47, 22 March 2020 (UTC)


This is just a thank you for your feedback on the Half-Life article. - Xbspiro (talk) 22:04, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

RE: Category:North Macedonia[edit]

I removed the interwikis because I already include them all in the wikidata. It makes no sense to keep the interwikis on wikinews. Saskeh (talk) 04:47, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

@Saskeh: Thank you for adding the links on Wikidata. However, just like how you have added links to Wikidata, one might change the links there. We don't monitor Wikidata as frequently as we monitor Wikinews. We would like to still have a control over the iwls rather than giving up on some other project.
•–• 05:25, 31 March 2020 (UTC)


Hi Acagastya I saw you posted a message for me on another user's page and I get the feeling that this made that editor uncomfortable, I may be wrong though. Just in case, let's move the discussion over to your page. I'd be happy to answer your questions here, time permitting. I have to warn you that due to covid my time is even more limited than usual, but if you have the patience to wait, I promise to visit here occasionally to finish up this business. Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 03:18, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

I don't mind if you want to ask me anything here.
•–• 03:21, 2 April 2020 (UTC)


I'm pretty impressed with your recent improvements to Wikinews; the chess player interview gave me an idea of how audio interviews work, and also allowed me to read the amazing biography (their childhood upbringing was particularly surprising to me; completing primary school learning so early is something I haven't heard of before). Sysop-wise, I've been pretty happy to see improvements to archives which don't blow the roof off the house (that's something I was and still am scared to touch), and spam stuff at the time zone that complements that of Pi zero.

Were you able to modify any spam filters? I'm not sure where that sits.

(On an unrelated note, perhaps a second pair of eyes before I submit Singapore reports fourth death from COVID-19 for review would be great to have.)

Also, I am wondering if there is anything that you would like to have in return: any script ideas, infrastructure, or efforts with articles or something else. Is there anything that seems missing to you, that you would have liked to have?

To me there is one missing thing, a web browser with reading view on by default. Provided you are familiar with nodejs, would you be able to make a "web browser" -- a gui window that uses gecko or whatever that thing is -- with reading view on by default? See .

I would be happy to help with anything else that you could possibly think of. (Yes, writing gpy in nodejs is on my list.)

Regards, --Gryllida (talk) 03:41, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for putting it here, @Gryllida:. It is a heartfelt message, to say the least. I may not be able to tell you right now, about the questions that you have asked. But well, I would like to invest some time in helping writing gpy in nodejs. My reason to choose that is a lot many people understand node these days as compared to perl, and hence the development and maintenance would be easier. Is it all right if I were to periodically notify you about the requirements? The upcoming interview is going to consume a lot of my time.
•–• 03:51, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
You're very welcome, acagastya. It is OK to talk about this later; I expect that gpy in nodejs would be a pretty gradual process, starting with a working IRC bot, continuing to announcing the review queue, and only then to processing wikilinks in the text. I will, too, keep you updated. Gryllida (talk) 04:18, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Style guide[edit]

Please see Wikinews talk:Style guide#WN:NOT and length. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 06:45, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

File:Harm to Others Acts as a Negative Reinforcer in Rats.pdf[edit]

Hello. This Commons file has a license but the linked pages don’t appear to have a license. Where can we find the license? Cheers. --Green Giant (talk) 11:54, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

@Green Giant: Hi, please string search for "Creative" on source link. It shows the license. (screenshot). Also, see the second page of the PDF, which also mentions the license.
•–• 12:04, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
You can also click "©" symbol on top right corner which says "Request" and check the license.
•–• 12:09, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
If you have verified, can you please mark the license is verified, on Commons, @Green Giant: so that it is not a problem in future?
•–• 12:10, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for uploading this. It was very interesting. I found the license information in the Article Information link on the source page. Sorry, I didn’t look past the first PDF page initially. I’ve license-reviewed it and tidied the summary. --Green Giant (talk) 13:12, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

suggestions included[edit]

thank you for your feed back on story New York City resident stranded in west African country of Ghana due to global pandemic claims he’s better off staying abroad

The requested edits have been made. can you please reveiw the article. NanaKofiER (talk) 19:11, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Revision spam[edit]

Hi. Can I ask why you hid the fact that the ip (Special:Contributions/ was editing Category:Barack Obama and Category:Joe Biden? Its understandable that the revision summary and text could have been spam, but how is the IP address in and of itself spam? If it isn't, would you please unhide the name (while leaving the summary and content hidden)? Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 00:55, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

(reminder ping) just wanted to make sure you didn't miss this. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 08:36, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Category:Files with no machine-readable license[edit]

Hello. Whilst doing a clear up of this category, I noticed there are about 40 of your photos without licenses. Please look at the foot of the first page and the top of the second page of the category. Could you add an appropriate file summary and license to each of them, please? --Green Giant (talk) 11:50, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

@Green Giant: Since then, I have realised the organisers can't put such restrictions, and it should be okay to move them to Commons. But that is a tedious task. The current fix should have taken care of most of my own works.
•–• 11:50, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for doing that. I can look into moving the files to Commons when I have finished my current to-do list using either the M2C tool or asking a bot operator. --Green Giant (talk) 15:11, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
@Green Giant: I will see how to use M2C and try to do it when I get time. Thank you for suggesting the tool.
•–• 17:37, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
So far, I have found it’s the simplest way of transferring files to Commons but it does use OAuth. There s a link to it on my userpage. --Green Giant (talk) 18:08, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Luxembourg article[edit]

I will be available from around 9:30 p.m. UTC on IRC and I am going to tinker with the group file. - Xbspiro (talk) 16:30, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

@Green Giant, Gryllida, Pi zero, Xbspiro: Our Friday interaction was a flop, but I really want to discuss this. Can we all set a time for May 31 (except for Gryllida, for whom it is June 1). Please respond to what time will suit you, in UTC. Use this tool if required. We shall meet in #wikinewsie-group, if that is okay.
•–• 10:28, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
I can be online between 18:00-20:00 UTC. --Green Giant (talk) 11:29, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
1800-2000 UTC can work for me. --Pi zero (talk) 12:24, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
@Green Giant, Pi zero: 1800-2000 UTC is perfect -- we can get that done. Thanks!
•–• 12:27, 31 May 2020 (UTC)


Per Wikinews:Protection policy, "Do not protect a page you are involved in a dispute over" - you are involved in the dispute over where articles should be prepared, and should not have protected the page. Furthermore, even if the protection was proper, per Wikinews:Protection policy Temporary protection should be used for preventing edit wars. Please remove the protection (or at least make it temporary) --DannyS712 (talk) 22:23, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

I am "involved" in the dispute because I have to take admin actions. A temporary protection is what I would have done, if the warring party would understand. Evidently, that is not the case.
•–• 22:26, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
So to clarify, you agree that you are involved? Given that the page was only moved 3 times (and only once by me) I fail to see where the edit war is. Please do not assume that "the warring party would [not] understand". I've opened a discussion at Wikinews:Water cooler/policy#Prepared stories for the community to give feedback --DannyS712 (talk) 22:28, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
My "involvement" is: I had to previously warn you against this practice. I am not assuming, Danny. You had previously edit warred my moving pages for other articles, despite being warned my multiple admins. To which your WC discussion has already received answers.
•–• 22:31, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
And why was Wikinews:Story preparation/Biden announces FooBar as 2020 running mate protected, with the last edit to it being over 2 weeks ago? There is no edit warring their --DannyS712 (talk) 22:32, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
And no answers have been given to my WC discussion (if WC refers to water cooler) --DannyS712 (talk) 22:33, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

protected for precautionary measures after noticing you did not comply with keeping things accessible. What you asked in your WC discussion was already answered by multiple admins previously.
•–• 22:35, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the unblock![edit]

It was...odd, to say the least  :) All the best, Serial Number 54129 (talk) 15:41, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

No hurry[edit]

Hello. I just wanted to ask what your timeframe is for Living with HIV during COVID-19: Wikinews talks to HIV-positive sex workers about how pandemic has affected their lives? Do you need assistance with any aspect of it (if it is in my abilities)? Green Giant (talk) 22:09, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for asking, @Green Giant:. I am supposed to write the write up, however, we are waiting for the Zara Kay interview to be first published. There are some concerns about that interview. Can you please voice your opinoins here? That article is ready and it was taken off in favour of WSS's article.
•–• 22:14, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
@Green Giant: I just noted the seal of Bethlehem is deleted -- there are two red links. Could you please upload a local copy? Also, I should have told you earlier; I am not part of the OTRS team.
•–• 22:28, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
It looks like there is an updated version of the logo on the municipal website. I’ll do it tomorrow because I will need my laptop to extract it correctly as it seems to be embedded weirdly. I’ll comment on the Zara Kay thing then too. Green Giant (talk) 23:02, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
Okay, I will upload the Bethlehem logo.
•–• 23:04, 26 July 2020 (UTC)


When working with the archives, although there shouldn't ever be a DEFAULTSORT directive in a published article, if there is one, do not touch it. (It doesn't help to put it back later, either; that would only make things worse. Just don't touch it in the first place.) --Pi zero (talk) 23:26, 3 August 2020 (UTC)


I looked it up. Its news all right about s soccer transfer. Utahgeneral88 (talk) 14:32, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

@Utahgeneral88: apologies -- the spammy title and the content felt it was promo/spam. But it can be converted to something like: Spanish football: Sevilla signs Aleix Vidal from FC Barcelona. I could find some sources: 1 2 3. I hope that is enough for you to write a complete article. My apologies, and if there is indeed something I can help you with football transfer, please let me know.
•–• 15:03, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Article lint repairs...[edit]

Please see the other edit requests I am making as well. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:29, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm using Special:LintErrors in mainspace to find many of these (Also used it it to find glitched in Template's). You should also install LintHint from Wikipedia (w:User:PerfektesChaos/js/lintHint), and set it to scan pages automatically. It's proven invaluable in tracking down where the LintError's are in specfic pages, and having used it quite extensively on Wikiversity, Wikispecies, Wikivoyage and Wikiquote to find and de-lint pages, I can confirm it works, cross wiki :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:15, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


Why is the list there? It should be on a specific page for the task really. Green Giant (talk) 21:16, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

@Green Giant: that list contains all the categories that should have the topic cat, but doesn't. I remember that list was generated by using some APIs and using some regex patterns: question is what were they? That list isn't easy to recreate. And it is a WIP. I don't know which page one should dump that list so it is sitting there in the sandbox. If you know a suitable page where one should dump it, feel free to. Just let me know where it went. These are some of the tasks a non-admin can do, what @DannyS712: was once asking about. (talk) 21:51, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
I have moved it to WN:To-Do List/May need Topic cat because that seems the most appropriate location. I’m not sure how the list was generated. Where did you find the list? -Green Giant (talk) 07:44, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
@Green Giant: I used some Mediawiki APIs to query the result eliminating those which were likely not supposed to have topic cat, save it in a text file and noticed a pattern to eliminate more -- but I don't recall the details. Thanks for moving it though!
•–• 08:39, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Intriguing. I don’t think I’ve seen anything to say user categories can or should use Topic cat. I had presumed the template was aimed at organising content. If this is the case then I think this is a flawed approach. -Green Giant (talk) 21:52, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

@Green Giant: {{topic cat}} is used for any category which uses an introductory line and it makes sense to show the list of articles published in newest to oldest order. User categories satisfy that rule. See Category:Acagastya (Wikinewsie) and Category:Iain Macdonald (Wikinewsie) for example.
•–• 06:10, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
<dropping in> Indeed; and in recent times we've occasionally used it for the image-and-sister-links even when suppressing the list of articles, as with Category:Presidents of the United States and similar. --Pi zero (talk) 11:29, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

I decided to step outside my comfort zone and try something new by writing a news article. I'm happy to have contributed to this community! The Irate Communist (talk) 17:18, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

@The Irate Communist: That is some quality writing, to be honest. Many newcomers don't get their first article published. (In my case, I had three failed articles!). Do you plan to carry the streak? That would be really good!
•–• 17:23, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm glad my work is acceptable! Yes, I do plan on doing some more newswriting! News editor is a career path I'm considering. Thanks for the kind words! The Irate Communist (talk) 13:36, 10 October 2020 (UTC)


I, Pi zero, hereby award Acagastya this Wikinews Trophy for original reporting in 2020.
Thanks for this, pi!
•–• 17:44, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
Thanks Acagastya for the interviews. Appreciated. Gryllida (talk) 20:47, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Question about recently deleted article[edit]

Hey, when was "Eddie Van Halen’s death was a hoax" created and by whom, if I may ask? Got somebody trying to use it as a source on another wiki and I suspect they may have created it a few minutes ago CiphriusKane (talk) 19:41, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

@CiphriusKane: it was an IP based in the UK. Where did use it as a source? Was it by a registered user?
•–• 19:43, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
It was on Scots Wikipedia (this edit precisely) by the user RedhotRod4 (who claims to be English), first listed as a source about 20 minutes ago CiphriusKane (talk) 19:46, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
@CiphriusKane:. Hm, IP checks out. We are receiving this hoax rather too frequently these days. Looks like someone needs to CU this user/IP.
•–• 19:48, 16 January 2021 (UTC)


PLEASE STOP DELETING MY PAGES THANKS CAUSE I WORKED 10 DAYS ON IT - ilikememes—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ilikememes128 (talkcontribs)

Please do not create test pages, or articles that are not news, no matter how many "days" you have worked on it.
•–• 18:13, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

That comment[edit]

I didn't know it wasn't published, just saw the dates and that ranged from June to October 2020, oops. Leaderboard (talk) 17:59, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Year, @Leaderboard:. Reviewing an interview is time-consuming. Sadly, it hasn't been published yet.  :/ But, I appreciate your comments.
•–• 18:04, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for all you do![edit]

I, Dylan Smithson (J.J.) hereby bestow this bronze barnstar. I think that's how this works. Thanks for being you.

--Dylan Smithson (talk) 17:48, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

I really appreciate this, @Dylan Smithson:, though I am aware, I could be doing more. It is nice to have nice wikinewsies like you, covering important stories!
•–• 17:54, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
You're welcome. I'm glad you're here. --Dylan Smithson (talk) 18:33, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

ntsamr filter[edit]

Copy the one from meta instead (I can email that to you) and set it to block, or make this wiki compatible with global abuse filters. Not sure why the local variant is set to warn only. Leaderboard (talk) 12:51, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Leaderboard: Can you join IRC? I will be on Wikinews channels.
•–• 12:57, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Zara Kay article[edit]

I'd be happy to take some action on that article.......but, can you CAREFULLY look over what you've submitted and re-fresh anything that could be re-freshed?? Also: put a few sentences here, making your case for why this actually is fresh now, and I will try to do the article justice. Fair enough?? --Bddpaux (talk) 17:22, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

It is an interview about the organisation. There isn't anything that can be done to "freshen up" discussion about an organisation, that I can think of.
•–• 17:24, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
Not trying to stir the pot, but Pi Zero believes it to be unpublishable at this time. I hate it when long interview articles get bound up in Review-purgatory......but that is the whole idea of 'news' sorry! Maybe you can hit her back up and do something fresh. Don't get too down about it.......there will ALWAYS be plenty of news.--Bddpaux (talk) 19:58, 18 February 2021 (UTC)


Hello Acagastya: 1) Yes, I do the interview and I asked the the questions are mine.[1] 2 y 3) I work by video call, telephone, and other means of communication due to the pandemic, this was through social networks. It would be possible to publish the translation if the interviewee sends an email privately, confirming that they are their answers. Regrads Marinna (discusión) 19:19 21 feb 2021 (UTC)

yes, the work contains private data of the interviewee, which is unethical to make public.
It would be possible to publish the translation en WNEN, if the interviewee sends an email privately, confirming that they are their answers. Marinna (discusión) 19:45 21 feb 2021 (UTC)
Where should the interviewee send the privately email? confirming that they are your answers. Marinna (talk) 20:06, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for your time. I do not reveal private information about the interviewee or myself; less for the interview to be translated in WNEN. But with pleasure, I repeat, I can send you a statement from the interviewee. Coridal greetings. Marinna (talk) 20:24, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Acagastya: I do not know which editor interviewed Messi, this is not that case. I contact the interviewee, and ask him to send the confirmation to the address that was provided to me. Regards. Marinna (talk) 21:09, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
The email was sent for us to verify the interview. Marinna (talk) 00:08, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
The interviewee sent from his personal email: a confirmation making it extremely clear that his answers are in the interview and that those are his words. There are no interpretations, there is no confusion, there is no falsehood in the interview, and everything is clearly confirmed. I appreciate his instructions in this case. Complying with the privacy protocol, I will publish the translation of the interview and I await its publication. Marinna (talk) 15:37, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

I have no reason to believe the personal email is of the interviewee. Anyone can create a gmail account. The email only shows the interview was conducted, it does not confirm you haven't made any mistakes while transcribing and translating. The only way to confirm all of that is when the recording is available for reviewers to verify every single thing. I am expecting an email from his work email for confirmation, and I have asked if he can provide the recording to reviewers, and if not, someone on enwn will have to interview him. Please note, in future, you MUST ask the interviewee "is it okay to share this interview with the reviewers for the sake of verification". If it is not okay, then, I am soory to say, it does not meet our criteria of being acceptable.
•–• 16:04, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello: there is a misunderstanding my exchange is with the user Acagastya.

The emails are fiscal addresses in my country, the interviewee also provides among other personal data (private telephone included). My confirmation about my authorship was requested, and an email by the interviewee, certifying that they were his words and his answers. This I want to believe is not an excess of rules, bad faith, or some kind of problem with female editors. That there is a presumption of good faith, because I have been a project editor for the foundation for more than 14 years.

These message exchanges are with the editor Acagastya [2], who has kindly guided me to certify the words of the interviewee. Regards. Marinna (talk) 16:27, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

@Marinna: There is no reason to assume this is bad faith, or bias against female editors. There is not presumption of good or bad faith. As journalists, we look at evidence. Every interview or OR we conduct, every single fact about it has been fact-checked by an uninvolved reviewer. We require the evidence for verification. Consider looking at the past interviews and ORs, where the information about the interview was sent to scoop (not just confirmation of authorship) and without leaking any private information like email, and other conntact details.
•–• 16:39, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Acagastya:, confirmation was delivered, the interviewee: corroborated with facts and provided private information (telephone, personal email) and certified that those words and answers, as well as I certify that they are my questions. Be able to present a fair translation. I consider the issue of certification well done.

Regards. Marinna (talk) 17:00, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

@Marinna: interviewer's personal email (@gmail, @yahoo) are not considered valid, it has to be their work email. If the interview took place, we expect to see recording of it, not a certification from interviewer "yes, those are my words", that is a necessity. The reviewer who publishes the interview will decide if the "issue of certification, validation, verification" was resolved or not. And without evidence, sorry, we cannot say we have verified it. The interview recordings are the sole source. If you can't reach to an agreement with the interviewee to share the recordings privately, with the reviewers (we have wn-reporters FOR THIS PURPOSE), either I need to re-take the interview, or it can't be published.
•–• 17:07, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Yes, the interviewee confirms that they are his words and answers, I confirm that they are my questions.
The interviewee kindly sends a certifying and corroborating email ("sending private information", two telephones the private and work telephone).
And all this is not considered. It is NOT a Messi case and the evidence was sent.
The work contains private data of the interviewee, which is unethical to make public.
It is clearly a waste of time, editors are asked absurd things in an unclear way?
I am sorry for the inconvenience caused to the interviewee.
I close the topic.
Marinna (talk) 17:31, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
I have no reason to believe an email when it is a gmail account. It has to be work email, if we are interviewing them for work-related things. On enwn, a reviewer needs to see the original interaction/notes in order to verify the information. If that cannot be arranged, sadly, it cannot be published.
•–• 06:41, 2 March 2021 (UTC)


Can u help me in my project Arjuna Anchan (talk) 05:35, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi, @Arjuna Anchan:. Can you be specific what kind of help you want?
•–• 06:34, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Very sad[edit]

......over the death of Pi Zero. That guy really held things together here. Just not too sure how I feel about my future here. This place can get messy.....VERY messy. I am going to ponder my future here on this project. He really kept things neat and tidy. I like citizen journalism, I do....but that guy was a nice, calm voice amidst the chaos that can happen here. I will probably be away for a while. --Bddpaux (talk) 21:50, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Bddpaux. Yes, it is sad news. :-( Please look after yourself.
Is the phone on your user page still current? Gryllida (talk) 02:46, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

I got the news a couple of weeks ago and it floored me. I was not able to even log in until now. Sad is an understatement. --SVTCobra 04:13, 23 April 2021 (UTC)


Srry but I didn't know I need a space to work with Hydropotsi (talk) 03:55, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

@Hydropotsi: It is all right to have space -- but you cannot copy paste copyrighted material. Please be careful about it.
•–• 03:56, 8 March 2021 (UTC)


You can check it now. I made sure it was newsworthy. Also, you should leave a message of condolences on the section I made on pi zero's talk page.TheFurreterPress (talk) 04:38, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Well it may be newsworthy -- I would have to see. Currently, it is work hours for me, so can't review it until I take a lunch break.
•–• 04:40, 10 March 2021 (UTC)]

I understand, where do you work, a newspaper print? Because when I work in the daytime, I get a long lunch break.TheFurreterPress (talk) 12:42, 10 March 2021 (UTC)


...your edits to the tow boat story, such as adding the gif and changing the name of the clearance. Sighted. Ta. --Gryllida (talk) 18:33, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Edit request[edit]

Hi. Mind going through Category:Language templates and fixing the lint errors? --Minorax (talk) 09:04, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

@Minorax: to the best of my knowledge, done.
•–• 09:26, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
+Template talk:Infobox/p2 as well. Thanks. --Minorax (talk) 09:31, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
@Minorax: done. (A patch/diff viewer would make it less scary) :D
•–• 10:14, 19 March 2021 (UTC)


An interview is upcoming, I shall write first the article a few hours from now followed by sources and reporters' notes; they are nontheless forthcoming. --JJLiu112 (talk) 19:07, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

•–• 14:52, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
w h a t --JJLiu112 (talk) 16:36, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
Ack is short for acknowledgment. An acknowledgment I read your message, and am ready for the interview to be reviewed. (talk) 17:48, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Asian and East Asian[edit]

Regarding the term 'Asian', and recognising we are both of Asian descent (you seem to live in India, last name is Liu), I'm really not sure whether grouping it as 'Asian' or 'East Asian' are entirely accurate, and while a large amount of this xenophobia is based on physical appearance alone, your earlier term is actually quite a contentious word among those matching such a description, considering it has been used in the context of segregation and has its origins inherently rooted in the idea of "three races". Wikipedia for its part uses very specific language on its Xenophobia and racism related to the COVID-19 pandemic article: "against people of East Asian, North Asian and Southeast Asian descent and appearance around the world", though its "see also" section includes, for example, Anti-Italianism and Anti-Indian sentiment. --JJLiu112 (talk) 00:44, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

@JJLiu112: The image was from the protest after the spa shooting, in which, as far as I can say, no Indians (now, again, Indians from various regions look different, but given the same outfit, differentiating Indian, Sri Lankan, Bangladeshi or Pakistani is really really difficult -- there is a metaphor for countries being a man-made construct somewhere -- though that is not the point I am making here) were injured. If we were talking about languages and scripts -- (people who are from the regions where they speak) CJKV would be a really good approximation of the victims; but still not accurate. We all are way too complex (in our unique experiences and what we learn, and what we identify with -- yet another metaphor about individuality, but not the point) to be accurately described by one label. Labelling is never accurate, though a carefully thought label gives an approximation which ranges from fairly okay to 'ah, yes, I know what you are referring to, even if neither of us know the ideal word'. But CJKV leaves out many other people from different ethnicities, which can be at least understood by the term 'mongoloid' -- and even if it was used for the primary purpose of discrimination, isn't the protest precisely against the mindset of the people who use this label and metric for discrimination? When protesting, MLK, in a comparable instance said "but 100 years later the Negro still is not free, one hundred years later the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation". Those who are discriminating, they are not looking at the citizenship certificate -- 'Ah, this person is from China, no, that one is actually Assamese'; they are looking at a set of features which matches the group they think this person belongs to. "Asian" is frankly not a well-representation of the of the victims (for which the protests took place), unless we are using the term in a way that over time, people consider only the Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Thai, et cetera as Asians; and excludes Pakistan-India-Nepal-Sri Lanka et cetera from "Asian". (Ah, finally I think while writing this article, I found the title for the article I was going to write for the review and thoughts on How I Stopped Being a Jew by Shlomo Sand — "The unfortunate war on the identities".) East Asian would still be more precise, identifying the victims for which the protest took place. Though, you might agree, looking at the shape of Asia
-- explaining what is and isn't a part of south east Asia is tricky. I do agree East Asian isn't precise enough, and leaves out many regions
East Asia
-- though giving the reader an idea of the (for the lack of precise words) morphology, and the phenotype of the type of people that were discriminated against.
In the end, I was considering which term is precise enough, while painting a picture in the reader's mind, who were the ones who fell victim in the spa shooting; all while considering the limitations of labels. If there is a term which better represents the targeted group, for which the protests were held, I am open to suggestions.
•–• 04:08, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Fair enough. Alright. --JJLiu112 (talk) 13:35, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

The sad news[edit]

Thank you for sending me the e-mail. It was devastating to hear. I do not deal with these things well. That's why it it took so long to even log in. I am sure it hurt you, too. --SVTCobra 04:23, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

@SVTCobra: It has been difficult, yes. I knew him for over a quarter of my life. While to accept he is gone forever isn't difficult, there are still some thoughts which haunt me. (We can discuss it off-wiki, I prefer not to reveal here.) I don't know how to cope with that, so now-a-days, I just go make new connections, and talk to people and genuinely care for them, as I used to talk with pi zero; not as a coping mechanism, but following one of the wise things he once taught me. We had his obit, if you would like to read it. I was fortunate to get some time for reading Tuesdays with Morrie, which helped sharing the grief.
I hope you find peace too, I remember the time, last year, when we three were talking on IRC. If you would like to talk, SVTCobra, you can always find me on IRC, or send me an email.
When I woke up today, and opened RC, as I always do; I saw your name, and I was so glad that not only you are alive and safe, but also, you were back! It is just so good to see your name pop-up! I really missed you.
•–• 04:46, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, I hadn't seen that article. I am still crying as I write this. I do not know if this means I am back, but I will pay more attention. --SVTCobra 05:09, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
Hi SVTCobra, from my perspective it would help all of us a lot if we keep working on this. I feel enormously sad also. And then I thought that without us things would not really work. My response has been to resume writing pieces every week or so (something I hadn't done for many years) with more focus on my local area, hopefully to meet more audience and maybe more writers from my country. Now I use lbot for the writing, it is briefly documented at my user page. Gryllida (talk) 05:17, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
I get you, Gry. Do you or Acagastya know the status of Pi's project? I don't suppose any of us can pick up the pieces from that. Well, I know I can't. --SVTCobra 05:28, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
@SVTCobra: you could help with reviewing, the categorisation, wikilinking, and changing {{w}} to hard links.
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whats your fuking problem on iraqi museums and looting, that is part of war[edit]

LET IT BE, FINAL WARNING!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs)

If you can't put it in the right place, go put somewhere else.
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Living with HIV during COVID-19: Wikinews talks to HIV-positive sex workers about how pandemic has affected their lives[edit]

I made some changes. Don't worry, there's a backup. But I did stop even though I had a little more time. I got worried you would reject my changes. I am of the opinion that an interview does not need to an exact transcript. So I got rid of the "hello", repetitions of "and" and "greetings" for example. But I also know this is not a universal opinion. So, I stopped after a few (but substantial) edits, to get your input.

I am going through the edits now, and once I understand the changes, I will comment.
•–• 05:27, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
@SVTCobra:, I will let you know once you come by on IRC?
•–• 07:34, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Assistance needed[edit]

I cannot be on IRC right now, please read through. Candidate for Miami Mayor Max Martínez, whom I have, been in contact with has requested confirmation of my identity as a Wikinewsie, further proof of its necessity towards my continuing as an original reporter. In the meantime, I would like to know whether you would be able to e-mail him at address with a link to your user page (which of course features your accreditation) confirming JJLiu112 is with Wikinews. --JJLiu112 (talk) 17:10, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

FWIW, you should be identifying yourself as a freelance, who writes for Wikinews.
•–• 17:16, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
I have, but in their own words they receive too many requests from gmail accounts "wasting their time". --JJLiu112 (talk) 17:29, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
@JJLiu112: I have emailed. Please ask them to check the confirmation.
•–• 17:27, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
You're the best Agastya, thanks Face-smile.svg --JJLiu112 (talk) 17:29, 5 May 2021 (UTC)