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Educational/class project editing "UOW"[edit]

It appears you have a class creating articles, due to the number of usernames with "UOW" (University of Wollongong?) in them. i.e. ThesocialscribeUOW (t · c · b), VizimaUOW (t · c · b) Uowmlb (t · c · b), KristaUOW (t · c · b) etc! P.s. If you reply, it may be better to 'ping' me at my Wikipedia talkpage here. I don't come to Wikinews much. 220 of Borg (talk) 05:55, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Seems like if you don't come here much, it's not all that urgent, right? So perhaps just pinging you here would do? (I don't think, btw, linking from here to a user page on a different sister produces a notice at the other sister?)
Yes, we have a couple of university journalism professors sending students our way this semester, one in Australia and one in the US. The fall semester is just ending at the University of Wollongong, I believe, with an attendant flurry of submissions. --Pi zero (talk) 12:39, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
No, I didn't get a ping from your link to my WP page. Assuming from above you have an Aussie connection, perhaps Wikinews needs an article about Alan Bond (of America's Cup fame) who is in a bad way after very recent heart surgery. Maybe you need to keep an obituary handy, just in case? 220 of Borg (talk) 03:12, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Talk back[edit]

I modified the words, what else to do?
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 20:50, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

"Scuffing up", by changing a word here and there, doesn't affect the overall structure of the text at all.
With really well-done synthesis, each sentence of the synthesis is apt to contain information scattered about the sources, and each sentence in the sources is apt to contain information that gets scattered to distance points in the synthesis. --Pi zero (talk) 02:42, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
Okay, whenever Duke and Duchess comment/ monkey's name is changed, the freshness will come?
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 09:49, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
A complete refocus of the article would be wanted, presumably, as well as (frankly) a complete rewrite from the ground up to shake off all the old copyright problems. --Pi zero (talk) 11:04, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Notice of Appreciation[edit]




Notice of Appreciation

For your fantastic, relentless contributions to this service, which are on a scale no other user seems able to match these days; for endeavouring to improve my articles through copyedit and review, amongst those of countless other users. I'm sure they appreciate your support too. I undoubtedly do. --Rayboy8 (talk) (contributions) 23:03, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Well, gosh. Thanks. --Pi zero (talk) 23:35, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

My edit here[edit]

[1] Is there anything wrong with my change here? PaulBustion88 (talk) 11:43, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

No. Good catch on then/than. Though that article has no future, imho; I don't really think there's any way to turn it into something that could be publishable. --Pi zero (talk) 12:55, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Changing away from source[edit]

In my edit here, [2], I tried to change away from what the source said. Is this better?PaulBustion88 (talk) 22:53, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Texas tornado article[edit]

Hello. In the Texas tornado article, [3], I added one more source, and made some other changes. Are the changes ok?PaulBustion88 (talk) 05:54, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Sheriff article[edit]

Is this article,[4], about how the Sheriff of Milwaukee recently attacked the President ok?PaulBustion88 (talk) 09:12, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Time stamp[edit]

I also wanted to know,

  • if I submit for review, will the freshness vanish if the article is reviewed late?
  • if the event takes place where date is 13 May, and I live in a place where it is 14th, what values I need to fill in any of the date parameters?

aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 23:44, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

  • An article needs to be fresh at the moment it is published. If it doesn't get reviewed in time, it goes stale waiting on the queue. That does happen; I think every veteran Wikinewsie has at some time or other lost an article they wrote that way. (Even I, who rarely have time to write with all the other things I try to do here, have lost one that way.)

    Right now, of course, we have a huge glut of articles on the queue, due to the University of Wollongong students, whose weekly class seems to be on Wednesday, because the biggest crowd of submissions from this semester is waiting for me when I wake up on Wednesday morning (my time zone atm is UTC-4).

    Note, however, articles don't necessarily get reviewed in the order submitted. I, for one, typically start by not-ready'ing the ones I notice have something obviously badly wrong so they can be dequeued fairly quickly (and should be), and then of the remainder I often review the freshest first — because if I reviewed the oldest first I'd just be minimizing the freshness of our published articles. (It's even more complicated than that: for example, I tend to boost the priority of articles that have been resubmitted after revision, since one would like all that effort on everyone's part not to go to waste. And sometimes there are other special circumstances that change the order I review in.)

  • Wikinews keeps UTC. There's a gadget you can activate on your Special:Preferences, under User Interface Gadgets, called UTCLiveClock, that puts a running UTC clock in the upper right corner of your browser panel.
--Pi zero (talk) 00:10, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Relatives editing[edit]

Hello. Can relatives of mine also edit the same articles I edit, or is that against site policies? Because my father is a better writer than I am so I was thinking maybe he could edit what I wrote to make it look nicer. Is that allowed or would that be considered meat puppetry? PaulBustion88 (talk) 23:59, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

@PaulBustion88: They should have their own account, separate from yours, and should declare the relationship on their user page (conversly, you should declare the relationship on yours). There should never be more than one person allowed to edit Wikinews from the same account. With those precautions, it should be fine since you're both writing, not reviewing each other's work. --Pi zero (talk) 00:26, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Ok, I declared my relation to him on his user page, and now I will on mine. PaulBustion88 (talk) 00:29, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

My article about King Salman[edit]

[5] I stopped writing what I was writing because my mother was upset with me so I had to take a break from writing. I had already read the article I used as a source and I'm going to find another one and write more but I was distracted by her being upset. I'm going to complete the article by the end of tomorrow. PaulBustion88 (talk) 05:47, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

I think I've made article long enough and incorporated all the main important points necessary to be stated now. Does it look good enough?

[6] PaulBustion88 (talk) 07:02, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

What happens if...[edit]

...I submit an article for review and then I make an edit?
Any harm in it?
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 11:30, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

It happens all the time. Check to see if a reviewer has marked the article as {{under review}} — it looks like this:
— but otherwise, go ahead. You should of course try to minimize how often that becomes necessary; some people have this frustrating habit, when an article is not-ready'd, of resubmitting before they start trying to fix problems, rather than after; and if you ever do a really major update, such as refocusing an article for freshness, you should probably remove the article from the review queue first (change {{review}} to {{develop}}) and then resubmit when you're done. But, sure, you can still edit it once you've submitted it. --Pi zero (talk) 12:55, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Article about Bill Oesterle[edit]

[7] This article is scheduled to be deleted tomorrow, I did NOT create it, but I am improving it. Could it be given a little more time? I think I could make it publishable. PaulBustion88 (talk) 04:30, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

@PaulBustion88: It needs a fresh focus. But it's clearly not abandoned, since you've been honestly working on it, so yes, I removed the tag. --Pi zero (talk) 04:52, 15 May 2015 (UTC)


Hi (sorry for my english), I'm a French sysop on Wikinews and I don't know where to send my message.

In the French version, the "easyPeerReview" gadget uses the English version to run, but it no longer works since we have removed the "editor" group and replaced it with "facilitator".

In the English code, there "if (wgAction ===" view "&& 0 && wgUserGroups.toString wgNamespaceNumber === (). IndexOf (" editor ")> -1) {"

We need to add "facilitator".

If you can not make this change, we will need to recreate the code on our version. Thank you. --SleaY (talk) 19:49, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

@SleaY: I'll try to take a look sometime in the next few hours.
My long-term hope is to build a replacement for the old EzPR gadget using my dialog tools (the sort of software the Foundation should have spent their money on instead of Flow :-), but that will be a while yet. --Pi zero (talk) 20:20, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
@SleaY: I think I've done it. --Pi zero (talk) 20:50, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
Still doesn't work, but I think the problem comes from elsewhere. --SleaY (talk) 01:45, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Football box[edit]

There, F.C._Barcelona_wins_La_Liga_2014-2015, it goes to bottom by adding the football template. How to fix that?
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 19:34, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

@Acagastya: I don't understand those boxes well. I'll have to see what I can figure out. Btw, at first look, the new lede reads well. --Pi zero (talk) 19:45, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
Well, I have added the comments. However, "why" can't be answered. So, is it okay?
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 19:50, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Deleted Story[edit]

Hi Pi zero,

If possible, could you please retrieve the story 'Namurian internet service provider Digicel blocks Facebook' which was deleted today so that I have a copy of the text? Alternatively a screen shot of the text and headline will doǃ

Many thanks MaddicookUOW (talk) 06:20, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

@MaddicookUOW: Is it enough to restore it temporarily, or are you requesting it be mothballed in your user space? (If you want it mothballed, I should do a check for latent copyvio, as a matter of procedure.) Anyway, for now, here it is. Nauruan internet service provider Digicel blocks Facebook --Pi zero (talk) 11:26, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

F.C. Barcelona wins La Liga 2014-2015 [edit]

About to get stale. I guess, it will pass. I did all that was required. Please review it.
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 17:58, 19 May 2015 (UTC)


  • It's silly to even say this is long overdue, because, um, it's so very long overdue!
I, Bddpaux, award you the Copyeditor's barnstar for your tireless work and all around general greatness at all things journalistic in nature! Hang in there!--Bddpaux (talk) 15:05, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. :-)  --Pi zero (talk) 16:15, 28 May 2015 (UTC)


Giorgio Chiellini, would not play in UEFA CL final. I wanted to add this in the article I will submit. This is the link as well. So would a link, which is old, be able to qualify for the use in article?
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 15:54, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

@Acagastya: As long as there are two mutually independent trust-worthy sources corroborating the focus, there can also be other sources that may be older. --Pi zero (talk) 17:22, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

obama just reported on stricter gun rules[edit]

--Thahouseusers2015 (talk) 22:54, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Archiving the edit?[edit]

Hello Admin! I wanted to know why F.C. Barcelona wins UEFA Champions League 2014/15 wasn't archived? I could still edit it. And, I added a comment to check it. Is it any king of bug, or something?
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 18:20, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Our output is very slow atm. We generally delay archiving articles in times of low output to keep at least ten unarchived article on the main page. --Pi zero (talk) 18:27, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
Okay. So, then also, I am not supposed to make changes? Or I am (if they are helpful)? Moreover, if they are acrhived, they won't be visible on main page?
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 18:30, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
I should be clearer. There are two different meanings of "archived". The archive policy kicks in 24 hours after publication, so that no further substantive changes are permitted. However, the article isn't fully protected, and marked with an {{archive}} tag, until at least a week after publication, and sometimes longer.

Don't make substantive changes to any of the currently published articles. Little corrections that don't change the meaning are okay. --Pi zero (talk) 18:38, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Need help![edit]

Example Article: F.C. Barcelona wins Copa del Rey 2014-2015.
Template used over there: {{translation note|{{w|Copa del Rey}}|en|Spanish language|King's Cup}}.
Query: What to do for Copa America? It is the Spanish and Portuguese for America Cup. How should I add the template? I made the rough article in my sandbox, so I can edit it quickly, and publish as soon as the event completes.
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 08:33, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Where Copa del Rey appeared in that article, I figured to add a superscript with mouseover explaining that the English translation is "King's Cup". We had created the {{translation note}} template a while back to cover general situations of that sort (as opposed to the more specific situation covered by {{translated quote}}), so I went to page {{translation note}} to read the documentation explaining what the different parameters do, and cobbled together something that seemed reasonable: the thing to which the superscript is to be attached is the first parameter, {{w|Copa del Rey}}; the superscript visible on the page is the second parameter, en; the target to which the superscript is wikilinked (so that clicking the superscript goes there) is the third parameter, Spanish language; and the mouseover, to be prefixed by the superscript label and a colon, is the fourth parameter, King's Cup. Put them all together, you get Copa del Rey((en)). If you want to do something similar for "Copa America", you just have to decide what you want to drop in for each of those parameters. --Pi zero (talk) 13:24, 24 June 2015 (UTC)


Article: Chile knock out defending champions Uruguay from Copa America 2015 (not yet published)
Scenario:Event commenced at 2330 hours at 24th June (UTC). And finished at early hours on 25th June (UTC).
Query: So what will be the date (It might sound ridiculous, and a homework question, but today, when I was going to park, I thought about this) 24th or 25th?
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 16:13, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

My approach is to report the date on which the event occurred in the time zone where it occurred (but then, in choosing whether to describe it as "today" or "yesterday", use the date on Wikinews when it's published; so for example if it takes place on Tuesday where it happens, and then it's published on Tuesday on Wikinews, that's "today" even though it may by then be Wednesday in the time zone where it happened). --Pi zero (talk) 16:33, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Okay! But the time of when the event started, or when it completed?
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 16:35, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Heh. If I'm the reviewer who reviews it, I'll have to keep an eye out for that. Typically, in a case where the event is "team wins game", that happens at the moment the game ends. --Pi zero (talk) 16:38, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Lede problem[edit]

Sir, this article "Messi" saves life in Nigeria came in notice on Sunday. But, if you read it, the event took place on Saturday. Now that is really confusing, and I don't know how should I frame the lede. It took me 3 lines instead of 2 to explain that thing. But, still it is not so clear. Can you please take care of it? There are many not-so-well-explained-figures in the lede.
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 11:00, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

I might convery it in 2 lines, but still, we need it polish the lede.
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 11:06, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Time zone![edit]

I don't think that Messi's name saves life in Nigeria will be fresh now. It is the 4th day, and, that makes the condition worse. So, can you please tell me what is your time zone, so that I can fine-tune my timings accordingly for the next articles?
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 02:46, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

@Acagastya: I'm very sorry that's happened. Fwiw I'm in UTC-4 at this time of year (US east coast). If I could have split into four today, one of me to review each of the articles on the review queue, I would have. I managed to review one and am some hours into reviewing another. --Pi zero (talk) 03:43, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
It is not about not doing the task quickly. I see you are the most active reviewer presently. I asked so that I could be awake at the time you add comments, and thus I can promptly. I am from UTC+5:30 (India) and from now, I will add your time zone in my iPod so that I don't consume much time :)
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 03:50, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Ah. Yes, I take your point. --Pi zero (talk) 03:55, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
I've got off-line commitments that may occupy me for much of the next few hours; I'm really hoping they won't keep me from reviewing te other article, the Copa America semi-final one, while it's still fresh. :-S  --Pi zero (talk) 13:26, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
(Oh, good, it's only on the second day after.) --Pi zero (talk) 14:45, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Copa America semi-finals article published. --Pi zero (talk) 15:52, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

After review is completed.[edit]

I see you are reviewing an article now. Sorry for disturbing. Just wanted to know if Halifax city's time zone matches yours?
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 17:50, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Halifax is one hour east of me — Atlantic Time, UTC-3 at this time of year when I'm UTC-4, and UTC-4 in the northern-hemisphere-winter when I'm UTC-5. So it's now about 4pm in Halifax but 3pm where I am. --Pi zero (talk) 19:05, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Avoiding the rules?[edit]

We can overlook some rules (at WP) if it stops from improving the encyclopedia. Can't we do the same here? I don't think the Messi's name related article can't be saved. But from next time, if the situation is weird, can I use more than 2 lines in lede to explain better?
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 11:50, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Wikinews has IAR too, though we make a point there of emphasizing that how bendable a rule is depends on the rule and, in particular, some rules are altogether non-negotiable. As far as the lede of that article is concerned... I don't think asking for a lede that captures the essence of the story is unreasonable in this situation. I realize you were having trouble envisioning how to accomplish that end, which I suspect is just a matter of experience and practice. The more of this stuff you've seen, the more your experience includes different ways of doing things. Hmm. Well, let me just take a stab at this; I'll probably botch it, but...
On Sunday, the brother of a man kidnapped in Nigeria told newspaper Clarín his brother credited Argentina football captain Lionel Messi with saving his life. The man claimed even though he had no language in common with his kidnappers, they understood Messi's name when he chanted it to communicate that he was from Argentina.

Santiago Lopez Menendez, a 28-year-old Argentine agronomist working in Abuja, Nigeria was finally freed on Saturday after Nigerian kidnappers kidnapped him when he was travelling alone last Wednesday. His brother Jorge carried his thanks for Messi to the newspaper.


Something like that might work, maybe. Perhaps there's a much better way; but it seems to me the bits I've shifted out the lede there aren't as essential as the key point about Messi's name. --Pi zero (talk) 12:27, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Dudley Dudley[edit]

just endorsed Bernie Sanders for president is this breaking news? review anyway. --Thahouseusers2015 (talk) 13:16, 4 July 2015 (UTC) Added a source. --Thahouseusers2015 (talk) 13:27, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Its probably going to be published anyway due to hype of bernie sanders. --Thahouseusers2015 (talk) 13:30, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

@Thahouseusers2015: A synthesis article should have two mutually independent trust-worthy sources, a lede, and at least two additional paragraphs, with total text equivalent to at least three "medium-sized paragraphs" (but that's news-sized paragraphs, not Wikipedia-sized paragraphs; typically, eight or ten sentences is likely to do it). Regarding article format... if you create articles using some article creation form (such as the one at WN:WRITE) it'd automatically provide you with the essential formatting elements; WN:WRITE goes through them. There's {{date}}, {{Haveyoursay}}, the Sources section, the {{source}} templates for the source citations. --Pi zero (talk) 13:36, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

A really out of topic thing[edit]

Hello, admin! I don't know if you are from US, but I would like to wish you for 4th of July. Happy Independence Day!
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 17:51, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. :-)  --Pi zero (talk) 17:55, 4 July 2015 (UTC)


Sir, I have 2 requests.

  1. Enhancement of {{footballbox}} as we have on WP. (penalties, extra time and such details aren't there which causes problem in style of the article.)
  2. Creation of category FIFA.

Please make the modifications.
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 10:20, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

@Acagastya: I've wished we had a category:FIFA for some time. The thing is, it's a pretty big task. One has to work out a reasonably easily applied, reasonably objective rule for which articles should go in the category, and then actually populate it with all the appropriate articles from the Wikinews archives — the archive contains about twenty thousand articles. I'm not saying it can't be done, just that it's one among many large tasks, and when one has a big block of time available for such tasks one still has to do them one-at-a-time. I agree, creating category:FIFA is quite desirable. (Though I also note that creating categories for some individual players, such as Lionel Messi, is also desirable and is much more tractable.) --Pi zero (talk) 13:43, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

July 8 2015 new york stock exchange down[edit]

Hi Pi Zero ... do we want to make anything of this being added to Wikinews well before the actual halt of trading? I mean, I think that's what happened, right? CNN Wikinews time is GMT? Cheers, --SVTCobra 19:56, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Looks like after close of trading, to me. NYSE should be UTC-4 atm, so close would be at 2000 UTC (iirc), and the article was created at 2140 UTC. --Pi zero (talk) 20:23, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

3 articles[edit]

I had to go out of town again. Three articles I need to talk about. First one is about Pluto, the satellite reached near it. I will write about it and no issue of freshness. But, Wimbledon final. Women's one on Saturday and men's one on Sunday. If I write it some 10 hours late, will it be in the good state or it is just waste of time waste (3rd day for Saturday's event and that is important right now. But, situation wasn't in my favour.
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 18:01, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

@Acagastya: If you write about the Saturday game, we'd need to get it written and reviewed in a little less than six hours from now. Which is kind of tight, though I am around to try to review it. And if there were a problem, of course, there'd be no margin to recover from it. For Sunday's game we have 24 hours more room than that. --Pi zero (talk) 18:14, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
I am so tired from journey that within 6 hours, it isn't possible for me. I think we should drop that idea. Well, is there any template for tennis match?
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 18:26, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
I don't know of any special supporting templates for tennis. Our tennis articles in the archives are just text, afaics. --Pi zero (talk) 18:31, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Can we have them?[edit]

Category for Nadal, Federer, French Open, Sharapova, Serena Williams, Wimbledon et cetera can be made as there are lesser (33) articles of tennis.
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 08:09, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

I am creating {{Tennis}} {{Wimbledon}} {{French Open}} {{Australian Open}} amd {{US Open}} in my sand box. So once the categories are made, we can have those templates as well.
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 10:32, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Infoboxen. I see.
I'm realizing I have a lot of things I need to do off-line this morning, so I mean to try for the review itself without taking time out for extra things like creating categories, to maximize my chances of completing it sooner rather than later; but, yes, your reasoning seems sound that there oughtn't be too many articles that belong in those categories. Although the first thing I'd do on categorization there would be to check whether Category:Tennis may be underpopulated, i.e., I'd do a string search of the archives for keyword "tennis" and check if some of those articles should be in that category but aren't. To get the most out of that string search I might also create and populate a category for "table tennis" while at it. --Pi zero (talk) 10:59, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Quick question[edit]

Diego Costa scores Atlético Madrid's winning goal against Real Madrid and Atlético de Madrid defeats Real Madrid 1-0 in 2013 derby are articles for the same event.
But why double? Slight difference but at last, thing seems to be same.

  1. Atlético de Madrid defeats Real Madrid 1-0 in 2013 derby has a small alignment problem in the beginning. (Date and lede is in one line)
  2. Diego Costa scores Atlético Madrid's winning goal against Real Madrid has a closing parenthesis problem.

And it is archived. Please fix them.
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 18:02, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Fixed; thanks.
As best I now recall, the reporter wanted to try writing a single story from two different perspectives. Both were photo essays, with original photos taken by the reporter for Wikinews. I wasn't, I think, greatly enthused, but was willing to give it a try. I don't think we ever repeated the experiment. --Pi zero (talk) 18:14, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Date of Access[edit]

What is that thing? And what are the things to do if I don't find the date of publication?
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 04:38, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

@Acagastya: The general principles I try to follow are
  • Every source should have a date of some sort.
  • If the source is a page whose versions are just updated, rather than having a publication date attached to them, then what matters is which version of it was used for writing/review — which is to say, the date on which it was accessed. So in that case I'd write something such as "July 17, 2015 (date of access)".
  • Some source pages specify only a month and year, or only a year, in which case probably that should be listed. If there's also reason to believe the data might change, it might make sense to mention both, devising some hybrid notation such as "2015 (accessed July 17, 2015)".
--Pi zero (talk) 10:33, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Wikinews Sports[edit]

Check this work [8] I have created a logo for WikiNews Sports. Just facing some errors in uploading! Might be useful in future for the portal
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 10:55, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

@Acagastya: Interesting concept. Knowing how Commons loves to delete things, you may want to seek advice from someone there about ensuring that's clear of copyright (since it's evidently a composite of images). --Pi zero (talk) 16:05, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
I borrowed each and every image from Commons. And it was free to remix... So I did. I will list the images and authors. Just uploading error is occuring. (talk) 16:10, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Deleted article[edit]

hi, you deleted my article that i made for some banter with my mates. Can i ask why? if not could you please repost it so i can save what i wrote? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 06:21, 27 July 2015‎

I've temporarily undeleted it.
As an article, it doesn't explain what it's about for a general audience; it has no sources; its lede doesn't answer most of the five Ws and H about a newsworthy focal event; and it's somewhat below minimal article length.
On what we expect of an article, see WN:Pillars of Wikinews writing; and then, as a great resource for writing a first article, see WN:Writing an article. --Pi zero (talk) 10:39, 27 July 2015 (UTC)


Are css and HTML tags like <big> allowed in the NEWS articles?
And if I encounter some, what am I supposed to do?
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 05:23, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

@Acagastya: We generally keep fancy formatting to a minimum. --Pi zero (talk) 11:51, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
So, I should remove it if someone uses it?
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 15:53, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
It's a reasonable copyedit to make. --Pi zero (talk) 17:47, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


I am really really sorry that I abandoned the article in the middle yesterday. But the thing is, in this college, WiFi isn't available from 1 a.m. to 5 a.m. so that we can sleep. But, it did not turn off this morning. I don't know why. But thank you for the fast review.
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 17:34, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

No problem; I understand connectivity can be a problem (for any of us). I'm glad I was able to review promptly. --Pi zero (talk) 17:46, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Okay. But I see, not many articles are published these days. Why so?
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 15:43, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
@Acagastya: Just at the moment there aren't a lot of folks around; perhaps because it's summer in the northern hemisphere. That's about submissions now versus a few months ago. But it's also true that Wikinews has been getting slowly less active ever since it was started over ten years ago. Why that is so, has been a particular concern of mine. What I figure is this: there are several major coefficients that control the dynamic equation of Wikinews, and they're just slightly off what they ought to be for long-term growth of the project. They really aren't very far off, because if they were the project would have shrunk quickly instead of slowly. But what's needed is to tweak the values of those coefficients. The three most important coefficients in the equation seem to me to be: how difficult it is to write; how difficult it is to review; and (this is subtle) how often is a typical qualified reviewer actually able to review an article. There may be deep things that need doing to improve that third one, but before getting too fancy, I suggest that just making review less difficult would also make qualified reviewers more often able to review an article. So I'm throwing myself wholesale into making this happen, and I mean to wait and see where that gets things in order to plan where to go from there. And meanwhile, I'm making myself available to review essentially 365 days a year because, until the equation can be brought into better balance, somebody has to fill in the review gap so that longer-term solutions have time to happen. --Pi zero (talk) 16:59, 29 July 2015 (UTC)


Are YouTube videos also a valid source? Here, I see the thing is used. I haven't encountered such guidelines anywhere. Well, the query has two faces.
First: a NEWS channel's video would work?
Second: Will a video from non-NEWS channel would work?
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 16:32, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

@Acagastya: Not usually, no. A YouTube video has in general the same status as a blog — it's hearsay. If it can be proven that the author of the video has some official status, that would be different, of course; but it also sometimes happens that an official video is pirated on YouTube, and in that case we shouldn't touch it, so we really need to establish who posted it. --Pi zero (talk) 17:09, 29 July 2015 (UTC)