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Adding image credit to archived articles[edit]

Is adding image credit to archived articles considered significant substantial change to violate archive policy?
•–• 04:52, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Image credit is documentation, rather than content, so not covered under the archive policy. We should not, of course, go hog-wild with it. What do you have in mind? --Pi zero (talk) 11:52, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
Saw you edit an old article, and thought of asking. When I get the admin bits, that is something I might as well do when I have some free time.
•–• 13:05, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
Sure. It's one of those little sprucing-up things we do here and there in the archives. --Pi zero (talk) 13:09, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
Btw, happy new year.
•–• 13:10, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello Sir, Please help me get back the article i did not do anything intentionally. Please sir.


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Can you perm-erase the last edit on User talk:FaNoFtHeAiRiCeLaNd by an IP address? Thanks. FaNoFtHeAiRiCeLaNd (talk) 23:18, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

@FaNoFtHeAiRiCeLaNd: Done. --Pi zero (talk) 23:32, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, was hoping you could erase it so it did not appear in history and there was no edit summary; just that magic vanishing trick FaNoFtHeAiRiCeLaNd (talk) 23:35, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
@FaNoFtHeAiRiCeLaNd: Cleaned edit history. --Pi zero (talk) 23:46, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello Sir, This was my 1st article from my news report channel . Is there any mistake? i will correct it as you want please dont delete my article. I took a very long time to publish it. As it's my 1st time please excuse me of my mistake and let me know so i can correct it. Thank you for improving me as an reportor from India.

Category:Prepared stories and other unpublished stories[edit]

Hi. Looking at this category, it occurred to me that recently (maybe the last few years), at least two wikis have added a draft namespace for some articles/resources. I was just thinking that perhaps Wikinews could benefit from having a draft namespace for new unreviewed articles and these prepared stories. Certainly for new articles it would help reinforce that it is still a draft and not a published article. For the prepared stories, whilst I can see it was a useful place to store them originally, I think the project namespace is not the best place long term. I’d appreciate your views on this before I put it to the wider community. Cheers. -Green Giant (talk) 22:51, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

@Green Giant: I'm opposed to that, for now. Maybe someday (perhaps far) in the future, when we have massive semi-automation that's easily modified. A draft space would make things more complicated, and complications kill Wikinews projects. Simplicity is paramount. Every tiny thing we can do to make things easier, simpler, more intuitively obvious, we should do. It's easy to miss, I think, with all the noise we make about the need to make things easier (about which we're not wrong), that our machinery now runs miraculously smoothly. I've seen how difficult common tasks could easily be on a Wikinews project if things weren't as well set up as they are here; I suspect this did its part to destroy at least one Wikinews project. --Pi zero (talk) 23:42, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for the reply. I understand your points. I’m going to rename some of the prepared articles with a "Wikinews:Story preparation/" prefix so they all appear at the same stage. -Green Giant (talk) 01:03, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Category:Impeachment of Donald Trump[edit]

Ah yes, sorry I should have put something in the summaries. I was just trying to see if the articles could be presented better rather than all being listed under “U". -Green Giant (talk) 20:37, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Heh. Though I stand by my point, the bunch of them under "U" has a certain absurdist appeal, yes. --Pi zero (talk) 20:56, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Links in the old article 's body[edit]

There is an external link within this article. What should one do about it?
•–• 08:18, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

@Acagastya: Some thoughts.
  • I too, when I see external links in ancient article-bodies, feel an impulse to do something about it.
  • What I've sometimes done, if the link is still good, is to add (if it isn't already there) an External links section, down below Sources, in which to provide the link, when unlinking it in the article body.
  • If the link no longer works (or, more subtly, no longer goes where it used to go), sometimes one can find an archived copy to link from External links.
  • If the link is dead with no archive, typically one would just unlink it.
  • I think I've encountered some cases where moving the link to an External links section seemed to be losing something; I don't recall why. (I'm guessing it was more than, this article has slews of external links in it, fixing them all would be a bigger project than I'd care to take on atm; though there's that, too.) As I recall, when I'm unsure how to handle it I've generally left it for another day (or, more likely, another year). If there are other techniques I've used for coping with external links, I'm not thinking of them atm.
--Pi zero (talk) 13:23, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Can you review my new article?[edit]

Link to my article: NASA shuts down Spitzer Space Telescope --Aaron34weston (talk) 03:09, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

@Aaron34weston: Hi! I've just written up a set of review comments on the article, which you'll find on its talk page. --Pi zero (talk) 04:15, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Question regarding tools to make my life easier[edit]

I do mainly WikiGnome tasks such as adding {{delete}} and {{abandon}} tags. Do you know of any tools which make this sort of stuff easier? Seemplez 14:24, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

@Seemplez: There's what's available now, and there's what I hope to create in the longer term.

What I hope to create keeps dragging out, taking longer than I want it to. My current specific focus (when I get to it) is on setting up a tool to allow a template to determine context-sensitive information about the circumstances in which it is called, so that for example it could automatically offer situationally appropriate buttons to make various maintenance tasks easier. The larger picture of what I envision is broadly sketched by User:Pi zero/essays/vision/sisters and User:Pi zero/essays/Meta-assistance.

Regarding what is now available, I think there's something to assist in tagging articles for speedy deletion, but I'm not sure what. Perhaps User:Gryllida would be able to suggest something. --Pi zero (talk) 16:09, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi Seemplez :-)
I use User:Gryllida/js/TagAbandoned.js and User:Gryllida/js/TagSpam.js, at User:Gryllida/common.js. That's User:Seemplez/common.js for you (which is linked from preferences under "Shared CSS/JSON/JavaScript for all skins").
If there is interest, I can modify TagSpam.js so that it prompts for deletion reason and inserts {{delete}} instead of {{spam}}.
Thanks and best regards, -- Gryllida (talk) 19:14, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
@Pi zero, Gryllida: Thanks for the suggestions. I was wondering what TagAbandoned and TagSpam are supposed to look like. Thanks, Seemplez 08:57, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
These scripts add new "tag as spam" and the like links, near "What links here" and "Related changes". In the timeless skin this is conveniently located in the right sidebar. If you are using another skin and the location of the buttons is not convenient to you, please let me know. Gryllida (talk) 07:03, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
For your and others' convenience, now I have added this and more documentation inside of the scripts at the top. Gryllida (talk) 07:07, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
@Seemplez: Re abandonment: When an article hasn't been touched for at least four full days (that's the simplest way to make the call), one puts at the top of it
That expands appropriately. --Pi zero (talk) 14:07, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
@Pi zero, Gryllida: Cheers for that, this is really helpful. Seemplez 08:45, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
No worries. Gryllida (talk) 22:03, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Question: Invoking commons pics with date of publication or possibly revision[edit]

The incident yesterday, where we had to make a local copy of a chart to keep it within time frame of the article, raised a question in my head. Why couldn't we simply call out a commons file with date or revision or some sort of ID? (I'm having trouble figuring out how to do this.) --Don't call 911 (talk) 15:52, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

@WhaatTF: It's my understanding that wiki markup has never provided a way to do that. --Pi zero (talk) 16:07, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Then.. we'd need a custom File template, right? Just as when [[w:]] didn't serve WN's purposes and was replaced by {{w}}. If it was deemed a doable solution (i.e. files are mapped and have IDs that can be pulled out with.), we can reach out to wiki community for guidance; or quiet possibly, I can learn templates coding for this occasion. What you think? --Don't call 911 (talk) 19:08, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
A template can't do anything that couldn't be done without it; only the template allows it to be done without worrying about the details of how it's done. {{w}} and {{missing image}} are extremely easy to use while hiding messy stuff under the hood; but the stuff they do could, in principle, be done without them. I do not believe there is any way of causing wiki markup to do this, therefore a template wouldn't help. (@Bawolff: any thoughts on this?) --Pi zero (talk) 19:52, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Pi Zero is correct. Linking to a specific version of an image is not supported in wikitext by MediaWiki (It is supported by MediaWiki itself as something extensions can do, it just isn't exposed to the user). FlaggedRevision does (depending on config) force the version of the image to be the one from the time the page was last reviewed [in theory anyways]. Bawolff 20:44, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Plainrock124 hits 1 million subscribers[edit]

You deleted this as “advertising or spam”. It’s neither. ICameHereForNews (talk) 06:02, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

@ICameHereForNews: You are quite right; my apologies. --Pi zero (talk) 07:14, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Suggested revdel[edit] So we don't keep personal spam on the site, I recommend deleting the content of the rev. Also, obviously, blocking the user. —Justin (koavf)TCM 12:33, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. —Justin (koavf)TCM 14:01, 29 February 2020 (UTC)


What are you talking about? Why would we not sort "The Foo" as "Foo, The"? This is standard English. —Justin (koavf)TCM 20:32, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Too much of labour we didn't sign up for, for no apparent benefit, I would say. "Standard English"? Hmm. A language grows over time, the usage changes. And even though there are rules, they should be useful at the end of the day. Is there any advantage of changing that?
•–• 11:45, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
I might put it this way. If we don't get involved in the game of overriding default sort orders of categories in other categories, then that's fewer things for us to worry about. It's true that when alphabetizing stuff in English one usually leaves off "the" or "a/an" from the front, but we can simplify things by not attempting to alphabetize most stuff. It's mainly chronological ordering we care about in news, after all. --Pi zero (talk) 12:48, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

New source[edit]

Note that I have now found this source [1] that could help. Thanks, ICameHereForNews (talk) 04:14, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

This article[edit]


This article was meant to be deleted 3 days ago. Can you deal with it?

Happy March!

Seemplez 14:32, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

My new article[edit]

Can you check this article out? I believe it can be included because of this source [2] and this one too [3] ICameHereForNews (talk) 09:23, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

@ICameHereForNews: I made a few copyedits, and left some remarks on the article talk page. --Pi zero (talk) 13:58, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
@Pi zero: Even if the article is small, I still think that this story is worth being on wikinews because there are two sources in the article that should help. ICameHereForNews (talk) 22:55, 6 March 2020 (UTC)


It would be better if we create categories and use Primary election and United States presidential primary sooner than later.
•–• 11:41, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

I wonder. Playing devil's advocate, it would be another thing to keep track of when categorizing articles. (Categorization really wants to be semi-automatically assisted.) --Pi zero (talk) 13:14, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Or at least 2020 US presidential primary. Like FWC 2018, of EURO 2016.
•–• 05:50, 13 March 2020 (UTC)


I think we should not have the abbr as the redirect and instead use the expanded name. Right now, no page links to SARS, and it it is better if we reach a conclusion sooner than later.
•–• 05:49, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Some barnstars for you[edit]

Thank you tirelessly working on the Taliban category which would have been so tedious!

I had been keeping a track of the barnstars to award you, but I think I need to stop postponing that.
•–• 19:55, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Thankyou. --Pi zero (talk) 20:21, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
And one more, for managing to review gigantic campaign trails!
•–• 23:06, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Just a thing I tried today[edit]

This cow urine article was difficult to write. I hope it was not that hard to review. After I saved the page, I decided to do a sanitary check (like how we do after review, pre-publish). I recalled this[1] study which claimed harder to read fonts made it easier to retain for the reader. I right-clicked on the article text, in Inspect element, for .mw-body-content p CSS, I added: font-family: Operator (A font that I have). You can use something like font-family: cursive instead. I don't know if that is something you would find useful or not, but I would be trying that for a few days to see if it makes any difference or not.
•–• 20:46, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

[1]: Elisabeth Donahue. "Font focus: Making ideas harder to read may make them easier to retain" — Princeton University, October 28, 2010

COVID-19 category[edit]

Hi Pi zero,

I was surprised to see my recent edit rejected with no explanation. Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 23:41, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

@Ottawahitech: Hi. You updated the wikidata link to a category page which acts as an internal wikimedia tracking page. Our categories (Example: CAT:India matches with most of the India pages on sisters) are named for the semantic reason.
•–• 23:44, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Heads up on my next article[edit]

Later today (UTC afternoon/evening) I'm going to write a recap of Tuesday 3/17 in the US election. A lot happened: Ohio's primary was delayed, Biden won the other three, and Trump became the presumptive nominee (i.e. got the delegates needed). Just wanted to leave a note. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 05:24, 18 March 2020 (UTC)


Hello. Is there any local policy for removing inactive sysops? There are currently 3 admins (Skenmy (t · c · b), Cspurrier (t · c · b) & Brian (t · c · b)) who have been inactive for more than 2 years. Minorax (talk) 14:14, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

We do have a privilege-expiry policy. It does not require us to remove such rights, but does allows us to do so. We often choose to wait longer than the minimal time before removing such privileges. --Pi zero (talk) 15:35, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Changing the title of an article[edit]

How do you change the title of an article? If I can’t, then I would like you to change the title of my article Tom Hanks and his wife catch coronavirus to Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson catch coronavirus and released after five days in the hospital ICameHereForNews (talk) 06:35, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

@ICameHereForNews: If you view the article page in a web browser, while you are logged in, across the top of the page display there should be a line of control tabs. Way over on the right-hand end of that is a drop-down menu. "Rename" should be the one item on that menu; that's what you want to do. --Pi zero (talk) 14:18, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Does it have to be done on Desktop? ICameHereForNews (talk) 21:09, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

@ICameHereForNews: I don't actually know. The mobile view looks to me as if it should work there too, but I don't actually have a mobile device through which to view it. --Pi zero (talk) 21:14, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

I want to.......[edit] you something (trying to bestow a bit of privacy pertaining to a source), and for the life of me: I can't remember how to find/send to your preferred email address?-- Bddpaux (talk) 20:18, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

@Bddpaux: I'll send you an email through the wiki platform; that should show you my email address (I think). --Pi zero (talk) 20:20, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
OK, take a look. I have to run across town to my office and anticipate submitting article for review within the next 4 hours. A smidge later than I'd intended but I feel like it is an important article, showing some stuff an American went through before the Coronavirus bomb really dropped across the globe. I need to add a bit more of her Coronavirus self-monitoring stuff (she reports she was only ordered to self monitor, please note-- and has been fine). --Bddpaux (talk) 20:32, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
I did receive an email from you, related to the article. --Pi zero (talk) 20:47, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
You know, in my opinion: a number of the things she alleges are very important. But: we stick to neutrality here.....a slippery little eel, indeed! There are about 5 more things she alleged (fallout-type stuff etc.) that I could work in, but I just think that would be a bridge too far. I think she is telling the truth, but I have to keep the article (unto itself, on its own two feet) focused....and if I veer too far off, the written word could start sounding a bit sophmoric. --Bddpaux (talk)
I think I've dumped as many of my notes as I've got in there. --Bddpaux (talk) 16:19, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Requested deletion[edit]

I nominated Plainrock124 hits 1 million subscribers for deletion because it has no newsworthy element. Could you please delete it? Thanks, ICameHereForNews (talk) 04:37, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Done. Thx. --Pi zero (talk) 04:46, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

closure of korean wikinews proposal[edit]

I happened to bump into this proposal at metawiki. It is a proposal to close korean wikinews, a project that apparently has been open but not actice for ten years. I came here to find the announcement urging others to participate in the discussion, but I cannot find it. Help please? Ottawahitech (talk) 14:22, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

@Ottawahitech: I was unaware of that proposal until less than half a day ago. I don't think we were informed of it. I have a dim memory of being in touch with someone who was trying to do something with Korean Wikinews more recently than ten years ago, however I don't recall details. Very late last night I was trying to catch up with my watchlist on meta and noticed there was something going on with a proposal to close Korean Wikinews, but was unable to focus on it properly since I was barely conscious by that time of night. --Pi zero (talk) 15:26, 22 March 2020 (UTC)


I am sorry to disturb you. User talk:Md Tanbir Islam

@Md Tanbir Islam: I'm happy to help. Feel free to ask. --Pi zero (talk) 17:57, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you.

Please reply on the talk page of First cases of Coronavirus reported in Bangladesh. Md Tanbir Islam (talk) 17:30, 26 March 2020 (UTC)


I decided to move Tom Hanks and his wife catch coronavirus to my user space. Please delete the redirect. ICameHereForNews (talk) 01:28, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Well... we don't generally have people userspacing their own articles. I'd like to think about this... --Pi zero (talk) 01:38, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

@Pi zero: see Talk:Tom Hanks and his wife catch coronavirus. ICameHereForNews (talk) 07:36, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Pi zero, we can delete the article now. ICameHereForNews (talk) 07:28, 31 March 2020 (UTC)