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Dear Pi zero, please add the following into the Punjab article.

Regards Peeta Singh (talk) 04:34, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

{{Topic cat
|intro=a geographical region including but significantly larger than the state and province of Punjab
|usage note=See also [[Punjab (Pakistan)|Punjab province (Pakistan)]] and [[Punjab (India)|Punjab state (India)]]
|image=Punjab map (topographic) with cities.png

We don't now have a category for Punjab. Creating a category requires working out what articles in our archives belong in it, and there should usually be at least three before we create it; here it seems we might want to limit the category to articles that are specifically about the region as a whole, and I don't know whether we have articles about the region as a whole. --Pi zero (talk) 04:56, 2 December 2016 (UTC)


Time to create a CAT for Neymar (Neymar Jr, Neymar Jr. and other redirects {check}).

Here is the list of articles; In all of them, Neymar has been used.

Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 05:12, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

I'll look into it the morning; off hand, it looks like a solid and manageable feline. --Pi zero (talk) 05:15, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Decimal-sexigisimal entanglement[edit]

Think its interesting to explore this idea. Why did you delete the aricle I was writing? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 336sunny (talkcontribs) 02:10, 3 December 2016‎

Hi. It may be interesting, intellectually, but it's not news. We publish neutral articles about current events. For exploring your idea, you might wish to enquire at Wikiversity. I don't know what they'd say; I'm just suggesting an exploration like that might be closer to fitting on Wikiversity than on Wikinews. (For contributions at Wikinews, I usually recommend reading WN:PILLARS, then WN:WRITE.) --Pi zero (talk) 02:17, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Digital-sexigesimal entanglement[edit]

Something strange about Plimpton 322 is always news. But hey, can get it from Science News. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 336sunny (talkcontribs) 02:29, 3 December 2016‎

If you think there's news in there, build a news article around it. Besides WN:PILLARS and WN:WRITE, there's also WN:Article wizard. --Pi zero (talk) 02:34, 3 December 2016 (UTC)


Hey there. What's the use case of {{votings|x=}}, compared to MediaWiki:Gadget-hidevotings.css? It seems to have made all the templates a lot more complicated for little benefit. Microchip08 (talk) 22:29, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

I know nothing about the hidevotings gadget, other than vague awareness that there is one. Not sure what complication you're asking about. I did a major upgrade to votings recently to get it to put all the non-zero items before all the zero items. --Pi zero (talk) 22:40, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

76 dead in plane crash near Medellín, Colombia[edit]

In the article mentioned, Change La Unión, Valle del Cauca by La Unión, Antioquia. Thanks. -- (talk) 02:33, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Done, thanks. --Pi zero (talk) 02:43, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

I am so sad to hear Odain Howell (talk) 22:31, 5 January 2017 (UTC)


Hi Pi zero, saw you on Template:Editprotected/Volunteers. Would you please check out these: 1, 2? Thank you, Xaosflux (talk) 15:55, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Done, thanks. --Pi zero (talk) 16:02, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

About the changes in the templates[edit]

Adding irrelevant gifs and unofficial logos is also increasing the page size. Replacing previous media which was lesser than 40KBs with images more than 100-200KBs wastes a lot of data. While browsing using cellular data, readers suffer a significant amount of data for almost zero benefit and it also wastes lot of time loading the pages.
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 06:58, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

<nods> A fair point. --Pi zero (talk) 13:03, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Category:Aviation accidents and incidents[edit]

Was wondering how you'd feel about creating such. I'd always viewed it as an intersection of two cats, but I'm reminded (by creating {{Aviation mishaps}}, though now I realise it seems obvious) that certain criminal acts fit the bill without fitting the disasters/accidents cat. Hijackers divert Libyan passenger jet to Malta is conspicuously absent and unruly passengers, on-board illness, and so forth would also meet the definition. Thoughts? BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 21:35, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

What sort of news articles about aviation would this not include? --Pi zero (talk) 21:44, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
<grin> The fact the cat, like many, is mostly bad news is a form of systematic bias inherent to news reporting. Drone delivers transfusion blood intact is a recent example. There's also business-type stuff such as Air Canada back in the black in 2010, Garuda Indonesia increases flights, fleet; may buy rival, etc. It also branches into culture/entertainment, such as Wikinews visits the 2009 Reno Air Races, and sci/tech stuff like Solar-powered airplane makes first international flight. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 21:53, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
I'm okay with the idea. Just as well to avoid reliance on intersection of topics, which can involve some pretty slippery questions of topic-category semantics. --Pi zero (talk) 22:13, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
Have created; as we have some recent pieces on the subject, I've left it hidden for the time being. About to vanish into flood mode to populate it. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 22:55, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Creation of "British singer George Michael, 53, dies"[edit]

You contributed to "n:George Michael Dies." I created the other one with a lot of sources and a little more content. --George Ho (talk) 11:44, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

In fact, I didn't contribute to it, in the contentful sense. I added required formatting elements that had been omitted by the user who created it — seemingly, they had not used an article creation form, which would have provided the necessary elements automatically (though I notice that feature doesn't work on mobile view). --Pi zero (talk) 11:58, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Shouldn't articles be merged? Also, why are so many sources listed and used, for such a small article?
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 12:20, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
I am planning on expanding the article by using the sources available. --George Ho (talk) 12:26, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Export Easy Peer Review to others Wikinews[edit]

Hello, I would like to know if it is possible to export to others Wikinews the gadget Easy Peer Review, yes it is, that would have to be done? Regards. 20px Alvaro Molina (Let's Talk) 01:27, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

@AlvaroMolina: Well, first of all, you should be aware the EPR gadget is aging; we expect wiki software upgrades may cause it to just stop working one of these days (it's been suggested, for example, this may happen early in the new year). I hope to replace it with an assistant using the wikidialog gadget, though the development for such assistants has been going slowly, so it may not be ready by the time the EPR gadget dies, leading to a bit of a scramble as I try to cobble something together in a hurry.

For the existing EPR gadget, the person you want to speak to is User:Bawolff, who created it years ago; he can offer a more technical assessment of that gadget. --Pi zero (talk) 01:41, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

@Pi zero: Thanks for the info. Regards. 20px Alvaro Molina (Let's Talk) 02:01, 29 December 2016 (UTC)


I'm travelling in the morn, so have left a small collection of pieces to provide some near-guaranteed content (never say never, mind you; we can all make a balls of an article or three) in the likely event my time for WN will be limited. Come the 4th I should be able to pick up any other reviews that need doing. I can't promise, though, so if freshness is a concern feel free to make the call to jump to a later submission. I've aimed for stories that should have a few days of freshness in them. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 02:14, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Wikidialog in Others Wikinews[edit]

Hi, as I see you are the one who created the wikidialog templates, I would like to know if there are any instructions on all the pages that must be created to make it work in another Wikinews. I have done it on es.wikinews and it does not work, I have reviewed the MediaWiki:Common.css and MediaWiki:Common.js several times, however, I do not find anything missing. I hope you can help me. Regards. 20px Alvaro Molina (Let's Talk) 06:50, 2 January 2017 (UTC) PD: Sorry if my English is not good.

Some thoughts:
  • There are tentative instructions at MediaWiki talk:Dialog/receive#Dialog installation. I tried to name everything there that has to be done. I made some improvements to those instructions from my experience in porting the tools to English Wikibooks, and added more categories to help keep track of pages that are needed. I know there is at least one thing that still doesn't work about the English Wikibooks port, and I have not yet had a chance to try to figure out why. Also, as of this morning there is a report of a javascript failure of some sort on English Wikibooks; I don't know whether or not that is related to the dialog tools. We've been warned for months that some things would break in the new year because support for them is being discontinued, although I was never given a clear answer as to what would break.
  • I hope I can take a look at what you've done at Spanish Wikinews later today (or, at least, soon); perhaps I can identify the problem. It could be something very simple; I designed the dialog tools to be very simple, after all. If any of the necessary elements is missing, the tools simply will not work.
  • I still make upgrades to the tools from time to time, and expect that will continue to be true into the foreseeable future. Recently upgrades have all been for the purpose of making it easier to port the tools to another project. I don't have a good way set up to keep track of these upgrades from another project, so that one knows when an upgrade should be ported over — perhaps sometime in the future it will be possible to do that using wikidialog, but that will require some upgrades to the tools.
  • All the names of templates, parameters, and such are in English. I'm not sure what one does about that; perhaps porting to another-language project will provide insights into it.
--Pi zero (talk) 14:04, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Hi again, indeed I believe them untranslated, since I would have put to translate the parameters, I would have delayed an eternity, besides, I want to be sure of itself Spanish Wikinews is compatible with all those improvements, since unlike you , They have a lot of improvements that they try to implement at the time there and they just will not work, being that you create all related pages and even copy some styles of MediaWiki:Common.css. Anyway, I hope I can help with something. Regards. 20px Alvaro Molina (Let's Talk) 16:21, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Tyrus Wong, Bambi artist, dies at 106[edit]

The article is on the last day of freshness, and has lot of facts to be verified. RQ has four articles :/
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 09:05, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

There are five articles on the queue, two of yours and three of BRS's (who I take it won't be a round for a few days so left several things that have a bit of freshness room on them); a report of javascript breaking this morning on English Wikibooks; and a request for help with porting the dialog tools to Spanish Wikinews. I'll see what I can do. :-)  --Pi zero (talk) 14:20, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Btw, how do I edit the default editnotice message of the news articles?(Edit notice / page notice: [1] don't know what it is called on WN)
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 11:58, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

What to do next time?[edit]

Thanks for publishing the article At least 56 killed in Brazil prison riot. Your comments made me reflect what I should do next time before requesting review. Besides re-reading WN:style guide and double-checking, how else shall I do a better article than what I have written? --George Ho (talk) 02:24, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Well, those two things are a good start. I try deliberately to break my edits during review into small enough actions to provide a specific edit summary and a clear diff for each one, so that the edit history can be studied in detail. I also mentioned in my comments an aspect of background, providing perspective for the reader to understand the causes of the event; deciding which things to include is a refinement one can keep working on long after one has the basics down. --Pi zero (talk) 02:47, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

User:ULCM Corres[edit]

Doing some digging into this unblock request, I saw a comment from you there were two other accounts in use by this person. I found one, and it was disgraceful, earning this user an idef block. What was the other? BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 16:16, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Executive summary: I don't think there was ever proof of a third account, although there are a couple of variously suggestive anomalies.
  • If you mean this, on my first rereading today I though "second account" meant ULCM Corres was the first and ScruffMcGruff007 was the second. My declared rationale for blocking ULCM Corres made it legit for the individual to create an individual account; and if they could make a reasonable case that ULCM Corres didn't fall under WN:ROLE, that might justify unblocking it, subject to my concerns mentioned in the earlier remark; but one would not expect to do both unless one of the accounts were labeled as a doppelganger of the other.
  • There was that remark in the unblock request, "The blocking account is also highly suspect of retaliatory conduct in relationship to other sites, which is under current formal investigation to determine if this is in fact the case, at which point I will request that administrator privileges for the account be revoked", about which my strong instinct is to ask "WTF?"
  • ULCM Corres also made a remark here. That could be arguing about the treatment of somebody else's article, but raises the strong (though indecisive) suspicion it might have been the article author, who had made several unsuccessful submissions during June. There's nothing else I can see to connect JaydenPerry with the other two accounts, although ULCM Corres/ScruffMcGruff007 doesn't really strike me as the sort of person likely to raise a stink about someone else's article.
I'm reminded that SMcG007 did create one article that got published despite xem. --Pi zero (talk) 17:54, 6 January 2017 (UTC)


Nainapatel just created the account and spammed two pages. Nice coincidence that xambox is used on so many pages, but for the users' intentions, the edit needs to be checked. Well, why don't we change the permission of the page only for admins?<be>Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 12:11, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

That template was fully protected when it was created, and then later, thanks to a quirk of the wiki software, the protection was lost. Fixed. --Pi zero (talk) 13:05, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
A new one here and here by the user Steelthumbs who claims to be a noob.
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 14:30, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
Many novice mistakes with wiki markup consist of trying too hard. As I slowly move toward getting wikidialog-based assistance operational, I've been thinking deeply on how to provide tools that simultaneously help with doing things and with learning how to do them without help (a key modern challenge of all technology). --Pi zero (talk) 14:53, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Share your experience and feedback as a Wikimedian in this global survey[edit]

Most surveys (like torture) serve only to confirm what their perpetrators want to believe. --Pi zero (talk) 00:03, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

One of leads in the Main Page[edit]

Can you check Template:Lead article 5 please? Thank you. --George Ho (talk) 23:12, 18 January 2017 (UTC)


For reviewing three articles in the day to reach the landmark of seven articles published on January 18, 2017. Cheers!

I bet the bottleneck was on the editor's side. If there was one more article, you might have as well tackled that too. Nom nom nom!
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 10:26, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

I dunno about one more article; it was a pretty full day. But, thanks. :-)  --Pi zero (talk) 15:21, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Accidental Creations[edit]

Sorry for the latest creations, I'm importing some templates to the Spanish version and by accident I forget to change the "en" to "es" in the URL. 20px Alvaro Molina (Let's Talk) 22:11, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

@AlvaroMolina: No problem. Btw, I haven't forgotten about porting wikidialog to es.wn; sorry I haven't gotten to it yet. --Pi zero (talk) 22:23, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
No problem and thank you Face-smile.svg 20px Alvaro Molina (Let's Talk) 22:36, 19 January 2017 (UTC)


Due to something that came up rather suddenly, I now expect to be on the road tomorrow (driving about 400 miles, roughly an eight-hour trip), starting reasonably promptly in the morning; so it's likely I won't be in a position to do any review for 17 or more hours from now. It's possible I won't be up to reviewing then either, in which case I may miss reviewing tomorrow entirely, taking me through to sometime after 1200UTC on Sunday. --Pi zero (talk) 04:29, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

An edit to check at Template:Sisterprojects[edit]

I made an edit at Template:Sisterprojects. I changed the icon sizes, and I rearranged Wikipedia and Commons links. --George Ho (talk) 06:06, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

@George Ho:
  • The icon size felt a little awkwardly large to me. So far I don't know a way to articulate why, in concrete terms; it's just how it felt to me. I tried a couple of intermediate sizes, and found that the larger of them — which really is only a tiny bit smaller that yours — felt much better to me. So I tried that.
  • We try to eliminate stuff that's going to be a source of potential long-term disagreement (one such thing we haven't eliminated is the choice of leads, as you may have noted; it's kind of inevitable that there is some subjectivity in the choices, for example we have historically preferred Lead 1 to be something with international gravitas, but as a result of this subjectivity e.g. BRS never touches the lead choices at all; and I have other strategies by which I try to keep it from becoming a big deal). The ordering of the sister links on {{topic cat}} became a source of controversy a while ago, because of a category for which Wikipedia's page really sucked compared to those of other sisters, so that it was highly inappropriate to give it pride-of-place as the first sister listed; rather that create a situation where there was potential for disagreement on a case-by-case basis, we sorted those sister templates alphabetically (with the wiki- or wik- prefix omitted). I've been thinking ever since we should do the same alphabetical order with the sister links on the main page, but I guess I forgot about it because that set of sister links was collapsed by default.
Thoughts? --Pi zero (talk) 13:09, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
No opinions on the ordering other than putting Wikipedia and Commons at left column. They are most visited as I felt. Well, the template is not major issue. It's more of a minor thing not to make a huge fuss about. The icon size... you're right. It's not easy. Well, at least I rearranged the icons as I wanted to put. I'll leave that up to you guys. --George Ho (talk) 17:53, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
Almost forgot. The icons, while minor issue, might need a good visibility for most readers. And the leads: if you were mentioning how to choose leads, we had two death toll news conflicting each other, especially on the desktop version. I felt that one story in Lead #1 can balance the two, like the marijuana one. Marijuana is also the global topic. If you were mentioning leads generally, if you have two or more stories that belong in the same category (i.e. mass deaths) in the Wikinews Main Page, they might conflict each other to make themselves into the top. One story in Lead #1 should balance the others of the same category, like obituary articles. --George Ho (talk) 19:11, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
By the way, the 30px is adequate enough for now. --George Ho (talk) 19:12, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Heads of state[edit]

I was thinking perhaps Presidents and Prime Ministers should get their own internal cat, to thin out the politicians one a little by placing those into a subcat. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 22:24, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

@Blood Red Sandman: That makes sense. --Pi zero (talk) 22:25, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
@Blood Red Sandman: Categories of that sort should be finessed such that it's clear they include former holders of the office. --Pi zero (talk) 23:27, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
I suspect that could be done by way of a note on the top of the category. It is internal, after all. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 00:22, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Protection Of The Nation From Foreign Terrorist Entry Into The United States[edit]

See Page. The article was copied from the document on The Washington Post. Although I do not know if it corresponds exactly to a copyvio, since it is not an article itself. 20px Alvaro Molina (Let's Talk) 01:21, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Except for the two-sentence introduction, the whole page is just a quote of the executive order. --Pi zero (talk) 02:09, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
IIRC executive orders from the US President are public domain as works of their federal government. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 18:17, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Block request[edit]

Just see the edits and block this user Kgkghhgbot (t · c · b).
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 11:41, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

And this one (t · c · b).
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 11:51, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
Got those, and Fgjffsd (t · c · b). --Pi zero (talk) 14:31, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

RE:Forest fires[edit]

Hello, I will take your suggestion into account and divide the article into others that speak of a certain related event. As for the dialogue tools, I decided to import them using Special:Import in Spanish Wikinews, although several pages are still missing, I also translated the names although I do not know if it was correct. Besides, I do not know if any additional requirements are required that we do not have there. If you want I can give you the translations and then see if all goes well. Regards and thanks. 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 20:20, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

I better start over again and I'll import the pages as it is here. Then I tell you to check it, it's too many pages and from here you can spend a lot of time considering that the volume of work you have to do here is quite complex. Speaking of the articles, I have created another that speaks of the planes and the main one I have destined to speak of the event itself and its consequences. If there is another problem, let me know. Regards. 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 21:54, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
@AlvaroMolina: I saw you'd rearranged things. I'm making a few edits now, and then I need to start supper here. I'm hoping I can do something with the "Aerial fleets" article because it has sources dated January 31, and it has only four sources (though that could get complicated if it turns out some of the information there isn't in those four sources alone); but I certainly won't get to that before supper, and I might not get to it tonight. --Pi zero (talk) 21:59, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
I have restored the Develop template in the air fleet article to work it more calmly. As for the dialogue tools, I will start again by creating the pages and then I will let you know to review them, I will create them with the English language to see if that works and later I will translate them, otherwise, They will never work for me. 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 22:05, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
Ehm... I already had the develop template when you reviewed it. 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 22:13, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
@AlvaroMolina: Yeah, sorry about that. I had started writing a review of an earlier version of the article, and the old review gadget doesn't warn the reviewer if they're submitting a not-ready review of an article based on an outdated version of the page. It does warn the reviewer if they want to submit a passing (publishing) review of an old version, but not for a not-ready review. On occasion, we've even had two different reviewers both submit not-ready reviews of the same article, because the second reviewer doesn't get warned about the earlier review. --Pi zero (talk) 22:17, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Dialog Tools (2)[edit]

Aside from creating all the pages, there is something extra to do (add something to MediaWiki:Common.js or something). I know the instructions are in MediaWiki Talk:Dialog/receive, but I was not able to understand them well (I'm not very expert at that). Regards. 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 23:56, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Finally the tools worked (see here), only now that when I click any button it appears page unsecured: Wikinoticias:Dialog/do. 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 00:33, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
@AlvaroMolina: Yes, I saw on page es:Ayuda:Dialog that the input fields and buttons are visible. The gadget does that; so the gadget is working.
To get the buttons to work, I think there are at least three things you need to do.
  • Yes, there is a bit of code to add to es:MediaWiki:Common.js. It looks as if you have already tried to do this. I see some code you have added that looks like this:
if (mw.config.get('wgPageName') === 'Wikinoticias:Titulares_en_Portada') {
  importStylesheet("MediaWiki:Common.css/" + mw.config.get('wgPageName'));
  importScript("MediaWiki:Common.js/" + mw.config.get('wgPageName'));
I suggest removing the "if" around this. That would leave just
importStylesheet("MediaWiki:Common.css/" + mw.config.get('wgPageName'));
importScript("MediaWiki:Common.js/" + mw.config.get('wgPageName'));
The dialog tools don't need the "importStylesheet" line, either. It shouldn't do any harm, though.
--Pi zero (talk) 01:31, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, I will make corrections in that respect. On the other hand, if the page names are translated (example: Dialog → Diálogo; Buttons → Botones), would the options still work or would they be affected? 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 01:43, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
@AlvaroMolina: Some things would be easy to change, others would take more work.
  • the "Wikinews" is already meant to be replaced by the project name. On es.wn it would be "Wikinoticias". On en.wb it's "Wikibooks". And so on.
  • the "Dialog" would have to be changed in a bunch of different places. It's built into at least several of the javascript pages, possibly all of them, but there aren't very many of them. It may be built into a few templates, and it's probably built into some documentation pages. You'd probably have to find the places where it's used by string search in the raw page content.
  • the name of the action, "do", is probably only built into a few templates, and a few documentation pages such as es:Ayuda:Diálogo.
  • The names of the templates, like Template:Dialog/button, would probably be relatively easy to change. It's only a convention that they all start with "Dialog", so there's no reason it couldn't be es:Plantilla:Diálogo/botón. You just have to be sure to change the name of the template everywhere that the template is used. There is a catch, though. Some of those templates have a bunch of subtemplates; this is especially true of {{dialog/button}}, which has these subtemplates. The full name of the template is written into the code of the template, and also into the code of some of the subtemplates; so changing the name of the template everywhere it's used is a bit tedious. It can be done, though.
--Pi zero (talk) 02:46, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
I do not have any difficulty changing the name of all templates, which makes me doubtful is basically to change, since there are templates that integrate "dialog" as a parameter and not as a template (I'm not sure if it is so), Which makes me doubt if those must also be changed or should be preserved as they are. The same thing happens to me with "test" that in Spanish means "prueba" and that I do not know if they have to modify or leave as they are. 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 03:00, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
The prefix on action pages, "Wikinews:Dialog/" (becoming "Wikinoticias:Diálogo/") may not occur in the templates at all (except for template documentation). The templates only have to tell the javascript what the action name is — "do", for example — and the javascript adds the prefix. --Pi zero (talk) 03:16, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
Now I understand, for the moment I will focus on translating the superficial and then I will see the parameters when I have time. Thanks for the help. Regards. 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 03:20, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
Hello, there is another problem, it turns out that now when I click on the buttons, I only get the waiting notice without doing anything. 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 05:10, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
@AlvaroMolina: There are several things that might go wrong, that would cause the page to do nothing once a button sends data to it. The first of these would be, if the bit of code at es:MediaWiki:Common.js isn't right. It appears to me that you haven't fixed that yet. Once you do fix it, the change might take effect within a minute or two, or might be delayed because the javascript gets cached at some point (either cached at your client or cached at the WMF's server). --Pi zero (talk) 11:34, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
Hello again, delete that line in es:MediaWiki:Common.js and still not working, purge several times and wait for almost 10 minutes... 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 17:57, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
@AlvaroMolina: Also delete the matching line that's just a closing right-brace, }, after the importScript.--Pi zero (talk) 18:42, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
Now it works. Thanks! 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 19:13, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
Now I had another problem, by changing the parameter label that shows the name of the buttons, they remain in that state. Is it necessary to change something more internally so that they are shown correctly? 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 06:32, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
I think he did not realize the previous question, but for now it is not necessary to answer it. It turns out that now I have moved all the "Dialog" pages to "Diálogo" and change the names in the templates, however, now it happened to me the same as in the beginning, when you click on a button, Do nothing and I think I change something I should not do. I hope you can help me again. 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 03:31, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

@AlvaroMolina: There are some page names coded into the action-page javascript. For example, es:MediaWiki:Common.js/Wikinoticias:Diálogo/do. --Pi zero (talk) 04:37, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks again, I have already solved it. 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 04:54, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
What does this error message mean? Edit form error; missing local-creation or local-basetimestamp parameter for Wikinoticias:Diálogo/do/test/sequence/edit/form. 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 08:53, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
@AlvaroMolina: The message means that the software needed to find one or the other of those two local dialog parameters (local-creation or local-basetimestamp), but didn't find either one. The use of those local parameters is discussed at Wikinews:Dialog/do/doc#Verb: edit. One or the other, but not both, must be provided. Because they are local, they must be specified by the form using {{dialog/init}}. --Pi zero (talk) 22:02, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Little bit of random[edit]

I've been a wee bit in absentia lately, for no specific reason, honestly....just work, grad school, family etc. I guess. But I've been thinking: should we write something, do something, address something in terms of the current 'fake news' virus that's out-and-about? I dunno, just some wonky things like this pinging around in my head of-late. --Bddpaux (talk) 18:42, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

I've wondered about the whole 'fake news' thing. Our neutrality policy means we need to report specific events, or we need to interview someone, or (least common on Wikinews) we need to do some sort of original research and report on that. The third of those seems trickiest from a neutrality standpoint; I've never really studied the sparse examples of that sort of think in our archives to consider how best one would go about it.

A search on "fake news" in the google news aggregator produces a bunch of results, but all kinds of problems; the top match for me is yet another article about Trump calling something fake (indicator that he doesn't like something); other top matches include an editorial called "WTF is fake news?", something about Facebook and France that's behind a paywall, and an article reporting that a study has concluded fake news didn't affect the election after all — in a paper apparently owned by Trump's son-in-law. There's a Guardian article about fake news on the liberal side (though I wouldn't rule out deliberate spreading of fake liberal news either in order to justify claims that the liberals are "no better", or just to spread mayhem because trolling has gone mainstream). Clearly there are a great many wrong ways to cover the 'fake news' phenomenon; really well-done coverage of it would be a correspondingly major coup. --Pi zero (talk) 19:48, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Forest Fires Articles[edit]

Hi, is it possible that based on the original article that I have in my space user can summarize the specific facts in general or I have to write a new story from scratch speaking that the fire ended and let the other articles pass? Unfortunately I did not have time these days to extend the article because I was quite busy exporting the dialog tools on the other wiki. Regards. 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 21:22, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

@AlvaroMolina: You need a news article focused on a current event (specific and fresh). Background details and context can be brought in further down the inverted pyramid, but the focus needs to be fresh, and I would recommend an article from scratch. --Pi zero (talk) 21:31, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

About music video 'Selva' by Theodor Bastard[edit]

Dear Pi zero, could you please see again my article about music video of Theodor Bastard? I have added some information... Aokoroko (talk) 22:03, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

@Aokoroko: I did take a look. Appearance in a wikimedia category doesn't really mean anything in itself; it might be suggestive, but it could be accidental. --Pi zero (talk) 22:09, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
@Pi zero: Yes! I agree! I have tried to say more correctly. Could you see please? Aokoroko (talk) 22:26, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
@Pi zero: May the evident way to verify uploading music videos to Wikimedia Commons be through examining categories? Wikimedia categories Videos_of_music and Videos_of_music_of_Russia. Aokoroko (talk) 23:12, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
I do not know what to suggest to solve this problem with the article. --Pi zero (talk) 23:32, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
@Pi zero: Last attempt before dying) I see, freshness window are closing :( Could you see please my article the last time? Aokoroko (talk) 23:58, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Correction request for archived article 'Scientists warn thawing Siberia may trigger global meltdown'[edit]


Please add [[Category:Climate change]] to the article Scientists warn thawing Siberia may trigger global meltdown. Thanks. --Roberta jr. (talk) 10:54, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Done; thanks. --Pi zero (talk) 11:51, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

You did a notable amount of good formatting and wikify'ing on my Paranoria, TX article! --Bddpaux (talk) 14:40, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

(slow clap) Way to iron man it, Pi Zero. Darkfrog24 (talk) 02:27, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

I was going through archives looking for a conversation I'd had with BRS and I saw your comment on his page in which I was mentioned. It's very nice of you to be so concerned and the thought did cross my mind, but over the past few months, members of En.Wiki ArbCom have repeatedly said that their authority does not extend beyond the English Wikipedia, and I was topic-banned as an AE action. With so many new articles being created, style issues are almost impossible to avoid. (I mean, what, he changes "skepticism" to "scepticism" and I change it back but don't tell him why? That just makes trouble.) Darkfrog24 (talk) 22:33, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
@Darkfrog24: Well, yeah. I was worried, but it is pretty impractical for you to observe an absolute topic-ban like that here. It's not like we can afford a long, drawn-out (what we're apt to call here "Wikipedia-style") debate on such things; we're more about finding solutions to avoid the need for that sort of debate; but not mentioning it at all? Yeesh. --Pi zero (talk) 22:45, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
Well not on individual articles but nothing prevents long discussions on the style guide talk page. Darkfrog24 (talk) 15:03, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
It's not desirable there either. Wikinews simply cannot afford such a drain on its volunteer resources. Which is my point: if something is becoming such a drain, we should find a way to stop the leak (and probably not just plugging it, but replumbing to avoid similar leaks in future). --Pi zero (talk) 15:34, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
/me supposes that comes out a bit on the gruff side. A low-level discussion over a long period can work, after all. --Pi zero (talk) 15:52, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

application for packing[edit]

Please, could you guide me, how can I edit this post to make it happen to wikipedia. In what kind it would be permissible on Wikipedia. I've already added tons of valueble links and sources, and deleted marketing part.

Thank you

My page you declined -

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Evil bullet (talkcontribs) 12:57, 14 March 2017

@Evil bullet: There is an important distinction to be made. Wikinews is not Wikipedia; the projects work quite a bit differently. One of the important differences (from which a number of the other important differences follow) is that here at Wikinews, we produce articles about happenings, whereas Wikipedia produces articles about things. A typical Wikinews headline is a sentence, with a verb; a typical Wikipedia headline is a noun. It looks as if you're developing a page of information about a thing. (There are also other issues that might have come into play later, if the happening-versus-thing distinction weren't prior to them; our conflict-of-interest and neutrality policies; but the happening-versus-thing distinction is prior to them.) --Pi zero (talk) 13:13, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
@Pi zero: So you suggest to try to post this article to WikiNews? Am i understood correctly?
Or should I try to delete everything conducted to happening on my page, to make it more reliable to WikiPedia? --Evil bullet (talk) 15:47, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
@Evil bullet: No, I'm saying it probably doesn't belong here on Wikinews. It seems more like a Wikipedia thing. There may be another set of objections to creating an article for it on Wikipedia; but it seems to me more like a Wikipedia item than a Wikinews item. --Pi zero (talk) 13:52, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
@Pi zero: I'm sorry, but how could I grab those deleted version, to post it again but on WikiPedia? I certainly can't find an appropriate post on Wiki about this proces of resore. Thatnk you
@Pi zero: Certainly I've read that you are the person who could see and restore my page. Could you please do this for a while, for me to copy it's contents to appropriate category in WikiPedia. Thatnk you.

PS> I can also delete it afted coyping by myuself :)

One needs admin rights to restore the deleted pages, Pi zero would do that for you, so that you can move it to personal space. By the way, you need not to ping Pi zero on his talk page.
acagastya 14:37, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
@Acagastya I would be very thankfull for that to Pi Zero. And thank you for information about ping ;)
@Evil bullet: I have restored the page for now, so you can collect the information from it for use elsewhere. For the moment, I have left it in place, with a tag noting it isn't news. In the normal course of events, it would get deleted again in a few days. Will that be long enough for you to collect what you need from it? (I had stepped away for a few minutes, or I would have responded sooner.) --Pi zero (talk) 15:14, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
Thanks a lot. It's done. If you need any help you can ask me. I'm a SEO analysit by the way ;)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Evil bullet (talkcontribs)


In re this: That's one of the things that Flow is/was supposed to do. "Remind me to get back to this page in seven days" is IMO a key use case. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 22:34, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

@Whatamidoing (WMF): I admit to being, well, puzzled. Notwithstanding, as I think you may be aware, I see Flow as profoundly damaging to the collective volunteer community, and an illustration of how the motives of the Foundation (as distinct from the motives of any individual people in the Foundation) directly conflict with the motives of the volunteers. The task of reminding of someone after a certain time strikes me, tbh, as a simple-to-the-brink-of-triviality task that could have been provided in a highly general and flexible way by wiki markup at any time over the past ten years, with no structural relation to the troublesome structural properties of Flow. --Pi zero (talk) 22:59, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
The more I use Flow, the more satisified I am with it (which must not be repeated to anyone on that team, because I want them to believe that satisfaction requires implementing at least the top dozen or so of my feature requests  ;-) .
I think that if unstructured wikitext-based reminders were actually as simple as they look, then we'd have already done it years ago. The natural use case primarily affects power users like us, and we're the users who have the best access to both the tools and the tool makers. The fact that it hasn't happened (except with a very few bots, which do very simple things) suggests to me that this isn't as simple as it seems.
I don't think that Flow is necessarily the best possible approach to a talk page. (The team started there because whatever happens in a workflow, there must be a way of talking.) But I think it's a great idea about how to do complex things that have time and structure requirements. There's no good reason for this kind of problem to be happening. Participating in a vote (some wikis explicitly engage in votes), requesting a new username, or pinging an admin ought to be as simple as clicking a button (and, if relevant, typing in your comment). And, on our side, leaving a note that says "Change your username; if you're still editing under this name in a week, I'm going to block you" or "I'll check back in a week and make this change if nobody's objected before then" – and then having the software tell you "Hey, it's been a week, so you need to go check on this link" – should also be that easy. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 01:34, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
@Whatamidoing (WMF): Well, "if [...], we'd have already done it years ago" is not a valid assumption. From what I hear (I wasn't there, but I believe my source), a conscious —and staggeringly bad, imo— decision was made over a decade ago, to effectively deprecate wiki markup. Opportunities to improve wiki markup have been passed up. --Pi zero (talk) 02:32, 21 March 2017 (UTC)


Please change the protection of this redirect.
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 06:37, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Hm. There's been a little discussion about this over the past few years. We protect mainspace redirects as a policy, but mainspace has a special technical status for our wiki configuration. A few years ago I got some push-back for protecting non-mainspace redirects as a general anti-vandalism measure without a specific reason. I see there's protection on WN:Inverted pyramid, but I wonder whether there should be. It's commonly perceived as "unfriendly" to protect stuff without a specific reason, and conversely, friendly for a wiki to leave stuff open to editing. We have lots of things for which there are specific reasons (for example, a number of different kinds of pages associated with dialog). --Pi zero (talk) 11:57, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Portal:Disasters and accidents[edit]

It should be merged with the CAT page.
acagastya 08:43, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Done --Pi zero (talk) 12:10, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Wikinews:Australians recruited in Fat Leonard scandal[edit]

Can you please fix the mess caused by page rename? A newcomer created a template, then moved to article space and then to WN: pages.
acagastya 09:40, 26 March 2017 (UTC)


...have got to find a way to get more people reviewing here. --Bddpaux (talk) 21:28, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

@Bddpaux: I don't disagree, but we had articles sometimes go stale on the queue even when we had about half a dozen or more active reviewers on-project. There's enormous variance in the review load and, independently of that, in the review supply. With the right semi-automation, I — and, more importantly, any qualified reviewer — ought to be able to do massively more review massively more easily than we can now, and not only do it without lowering standards but perhaps even increase our quality control. Once upon a time I naively thought what we most needed was an article wizard so people could submit higher-quality articles, but I now think that needs to be done second as it would be a serious mistake to do it first. Applying semi-automation to the review task is more important and needs to be done first.

Btw, I'm almost finished with my once-through of the queue, may have enough time to find a viable article and give it a full review before midnight UTC (having eliminated huge amounts of clutter from the queue, so that viable articles are much easier to find... though I sped up the process by not checking for copyvio, so a bunch of the remaining ones may have that problem). --Pi zero (talk) 21:37, 30 March 2017 (UTC)