User talk:Pi zero

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One of the most salient features of our culture is that there is so much bullshit.
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User:Mário Manuel Pinto[edit]

Please delete this user page. It contains only non-English text. Thanks. --Francisco (talk) 01:24, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

@Francisco Leandro: It's not clear to me this is a problem. It's the user's own page, and doesn't appear promotional afaics, nor even contain personal information of the sort that would justify deletion when posted by the account owner. --Pi zero (talk) 01:37, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Celtic FC wins sixth consecutive Scottish Premiership title[edit]

Hi Pi zero, I have made the changes you requested to the above page during the review stage. Please give it a look and let me know of any other changes which may need to be made. Cheers, Liam E. Bekker (talk) 11:20, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

File:Map of syria.jpg[edit]

Do we really need a non-free image which does not provide information about its source? I don't think this is similar to the local upload issue. What to do?
acagastya 08:16, 5 April 2017 (UTC)



  3. (I guess I as slow)

acagastya 08:01, 6 April 2017 (UTC)


Hi, I have to go to sleep now; If the spambots reappear, consider reporting them in Meta so that the stewards will disable the accounts globally and, in step, block the IPs. Regards. —Alvaro Molina ( - ) 08:08, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

More Spambots[edit]

Block the last one on the list. PokestarFan (talk) 21:53, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Update the list

Can you become my mentor[edit]

Can you become my mentor? I want to learn how to write the news correctly. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SashaFAQ (talkcontribs) 10:28, 13 April 2017‎

@SashaFAQ: I'm considering what would be most helpful to say to you first; I didn't miss your note here.

Btw, you put your {{Helpme}} note on your user page instead of your user talk page; it should be moved. --Pi zero (talk) 16:09, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

@SashaFAQ: Btw, I've not forgotten. --Pi zero (talk) 17:19, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Another one[edit]

What is the best system of warning you? PokestarFan (talk) 12:40, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

@PokestarFan: Well, come to think, this is a disadvantage of the unusual way you've set up that separate page with a list of the spambot accounts. The usual way of informing all admins of such a problem is a notice at WN:AAA; that's what the page is for. Active admins watch that page, so as to notice any edit to it; by moving the list off-page, admins are no longer notified when the list is added to. (While reminds me, another drawback to the current arrangement is that it fails to leave a readily visible record of when particular accounts were added to the list. I'm thinking on how I might tweak the arrangement; you'll have noticed I've made a couple of tweaks so far. In the long run I think we'll want to move back to something much more like the traditional arrangment; but there's no hurry about it.) --Pi zero (talk) 13:25, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

How are you always on?[edit]

No matter when I check, you are always active and doing something that can be seen on Recent Changes. Are you a robot who can think and act like a person? What is your secret? PokestarFan (talk) 21:04, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Lately I'm spending almost all my waking life on Wikinews. It isn't always obvious that I'm doing so; just atm it's more visible because there's a lot of activity, due to this big spambot problem. This afternoon I'm been deleting unsuccessful articles from a university journalism class that just came through (Autumn 2017 semester at the University Wollongong). --Pi zero (talk) 21:30, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
@PokestarFan: I wasn't satisfied with my answer. Here's a second try: I wish I could put twice as much time into Wikinews (and Wikibooks). The key to making Wikinews work better — and all the other sisters too, including Wikipedia — is crowdsourced semi-automated assistance (essay). We have lots of expert tasks here, which newbies could do better, and learn to do better, with semi-automated assistance; and experts could do more if the tasks could be done with smaller lump investments of time. I have the ability to design and implement the technology, given enough time; but the project has to keep running while I work on the tools that would allow me to... have time to work on the tools. --Pi zero (talk) 22:50, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Creation of methods to combat spambots[edit]

Hi, does this wiki have self-promotion criteria for autoconfirmed users? If not, I think it would be a good idea to define them in order to add effectiveness to methods such as the TitleBlackList and thus make the life of the spambots a little more difficult. In addition, I discard that coincidentally an IP or a newly registered user will create a news about some antivirus, operating system or email manager. What do you think? Regards. —Alvaro Molina ( - ) 22:31, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

@AlvaroMolina: I deduce we must have such a thing here, because users aren't allowed to rename a page until four days after their account is created. Turns out, though, I don't know where to find it to confirm that's what happens at the four-day mark. --Pi zero (talk) 22:59, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
Wikinews:Autoconfirmed users indicates that it is 3 days. Melos configured an abuse filter that could stop this situation on this wiki. So let's hope it works. —Alvaro Molina ( - ) 23:10, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Google blocks home device from responding to Burger King commercial[edit]

I just finished an article. Hope it can be reviewed soon. (Iuio (talk) 11:43, 14 April 2017 (UTC))

Differences in numbers between sources[edit]

Hi, I think I have asked him some time, but I think I have forgotten him; When an article is created and when searching for sources you find that one says (for example: 19 deceased, another says 22 deceased and another 20). What should be done in these cases? Should I prioritize the highest number indicated by the sources or should I remove the article number and only refer to "several deceased" or "dozens of deceased"? I will appreciate your help. Regards. —Alvaro Molina ( - ) 19:40, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

@AlvaroMolina: There are several techniques one can use, I think. The goal is to not report something wrong, and to give the reader an understanding of what is and is not known. It may depend partly on the likely cause of the disagreement between sources: is it really uncertain, or is each source reporting the latest number as they went to press and the numbers are growing as more information becomes available? In the example you give, I could imagine saying "at least 19", or giving a range with an explanation, such as "by varying reports from 19 to 22" (or conceivably, if the number is also expected to rise further, "by varying reports from 19 to 22 so far"). Sometimes specific sources of information matter, as with an earthquake article where, iirc, USGS disagreed with its European equivalent on the magnitude, and our lede named both sources and both numbers. --Pi zero (talk) 19:58, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
Well, the topic specifically is with the article "An avalanche of garbage left at least 19 dead in Sri Lanka", in this case most of the Spanish sources and The New York Times indicate that 19 people died, but there are other English pages (that do not know if they are reliable) like Top News that indicate that the 22 died. Hence my doubt about whether to stick with what The New York Times says or let me lead by Top News. —Alvaro Molina ( - ) 20:05, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
@AlvaroMolina: If most sources are reporting the lower number, and we're not too familiar with the sources reporting more, it sounds like we'd mainly want to tell about the lower number. --Pi zero (talk) 20:12, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the help. Regards. —Alvaro Molina ( - ) 20:17, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

How many user are online as of time in signature?[edit]

0? (talk) 11:13, 17 April 2017 (UTC)


Hello there. Forgive me for being unfamiliar with Wikinews deletion policy and for my ignorance on the Street View policy, I just waded over here following the Nongoloza stuff. But even ignoring the fact the image has no clear source, a photo of a named person captioned "WATCH OUT! CULT LEADER" doesn't meet any speedy deletion criteria? (In the short time it was up at Commons, it already floated into Google Image results for the person's name, and presumably this will now follow.) Is there really no db-attack equivalent at Wikinews? --McGeddon (talk) 12:52, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

@McGeddon: I understand there's some sort of larger picture here (cross-wiki). The overall shape of the situation hasn't been 100% clear to me, and truthfully I haven't had a chance to study it enough to grok what's going on. We can use common sense; trying to use Wikinews as a platform for a personal attack is obviously unacceptable. It wasn't clear to me, looking at the article, what the status of the image was relative to the article; usually (though there are occasional awkward exceptions) we can simply keep problematic material out of publication and it ultimately becomes abandoned, is deleted, and thus goes away. The occasional exceptions are especially persistent individuals who don't quite manage to get their material deleted outright or themselves blocked. When those cases, I generally find myself playing by ear. --Pi zero (talk) 13:37, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, that's fair enough, and the context isn't entirely clear to me either. But it seemed like a photo of someone labelled "WATCH OUT! CULT LEADER" (even with the best-faith interpretation that there was a terrorist bomb threat that did actually call out this guy as being the leader of a cult) should be at best cropped to remove the rabid commentary, rather than left in place. I've started a talk thread suggesting that Wikinews adopt a db-attack speedy criteria, as it seems odd not to have one. --McGeddon (talk) 14:32, 21 April 2017 (UTC)