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Hey, I just went to the Reader Interaction Consultation page thinking about adding a link to your essay on Wikidialogs, and found that you have already done it. And one of a tiny handful of suggestions there, to date! Crazy. Glad you did that -- hope it gets some attention! -Pete (talk) 05:32, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

So, I've been wanting to follow up about the tools on Commons -- I finally decided it would be easiest just to make a short demo video. Hope this is interesting! -Pete (talk) 06:46, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi Pete. I admit, it was something of an Awful Realization for me, as I was finishing the post for mw, that discussions for all that stuff would use Flow — which I see as a chat system fundamentally unsuitable for serious discussion (and, even as a chat system, we considered here whether it might be worth replacing LQT for our "opinion" pages and concluded that LQT is a far superior option, despite all LQT's problems); I see Flow as a visible manifestation of the Foundation's deeply held belief that the volunteers are not to be taken seriously at all.

About the demo: Yes, interesting. I would indeed expect those sorts of things to be empowered by wikidialog, in the long run of course (I'm playing the long game, here, which I also see as part of wiki culture, avoiding the commercial rat-race that prevents industry from enacting whole classes of socially beneficial tasks that nonprofit wikis can undertake). The interface would look a bit different, and the way it's developed would be different and "nearer to the ground", actual wiki markup pages defining all the interactive stuff. The process of developing wikidialog never ends; rather, it slowly moves upward in level of abstraction. At the very start, I was mucking around in very low-level mechanisms; then I was trying to do small practical things on the wiki (for example, the one bit of wikidialog in serious use now is the "see older articles" button on topic category pages, like so.) I'm trying to move up to some bigger things now, such as a splash page for our archives. As I learn how to use the low-level tools for higher-level things, I'm tweaking the low-level tools, but (hopefully) the low-level tweaks are getting smaller and smaller, and I'm getting insights into how the process of using the low-level tools might be made easier. The low-level tools include some features intended to allow, eventually, interactive assistants that help the user to build and modify interactive assistants. But none of it can happen overnight, and the only way to have a truly uniform, consistent system is to take that extra time and effort to slowly learn how to build it up from an honest base of wiki markup. It can't be a coincidence, of course, that I'm favoring a strategy that suits my temperament and my expertise. My doctoral dissertation was in programming language design, about building a really powerful language from really simple primitives; and my favorite song from Mr. Rogers was always "I like to take my time" (I mean that when I want to do a thing, I like to take my time and do it right :-). --Pi zero (talk) 14:10, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Istanbul suicide bombing leaving 5 people deceased[edit]

@Pi zero: I surrender to this wiki, I can never publish an article with policies here, the other article I hize heavy rains in Brazil in terms Wikinews headlines homepage Spanish. No I will manage to get used to the rules here. For now I'm definitely going despite all this, I congratulate you because here if quality journalism and that the filters are much more serious, reviewers here but have to fail thousands of times the articles, they will do so until corrected, in change in the wiki in Spanish, only if set in spelling, neutral point of view and that no copies Support, sometimes not even apply peer review. As I say, I hope they continue and go now. Greetings and thank you very much. --Alvaro Molina.png Alvaro Molina (Let's Talk) 22:28, 21 March 2016 (UTC) P. D .: Clear the article Brazil and this, nobody will fix...


I know you can't post news to Facebook anymore, but if you can still access it could you ping me on it (or to my GMX email address) when a new story goes up? Missed several which would now be stale to push to FB, largely due to working on pulling together enough photos for next month's exhibition. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:16, 28 March 2016 (UTC)


Hello, admin. I saw the recent changes and a lot of categories are being modified. Ah, such a tiresome work. Well, I wanted to know if we have list of all the categories available? (By the way, the thing you are doing is really tedious. I hope I can endeavour patience like you!) (talk) 09:06, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

There is Special:Categories. The top of our hierarchy is meant to be Category:Category, and Special:UncategorizedCategories lists those categories that aren't in the hierarchy yet — or, at least, the ones that aren't in a hierarchy of some sort. Our category hierarchy is at least slightly circular, because our Category:Category is internal while our Category:Internal Wikinews organization is a category; and there's no easy way to prove that there isn't some other, logically unconnected circular set of categories that would therefore also not show up in Special:UncategorizedCategories.

Atm I'm going through all the subcategories of Category:People by occupation, trying to make sure every person category in every occupation is also listed at Category:News articles by person. I also have to go through every person listed at Category:News articles by person and make sure if it isn't listed under an occupation then it's listed instead under Category:People not categorized by occupation. I suppose it would have been easier to populate People not categorized by occupation first, but, whatever. This would all be easier if the DPL extension could handle more than six categories at a time, or if it could do transitive closures of categories.

I did not see the reply till I saw the recent changes of 'KC Browser'. I really want ping to work for IPs. (talk) 05:02, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
Ping is for reaching people; an IP can't identify a person. Identifying oneself is the purpose of logging in. --Pi zero (talk) 10:37, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
I know, but I was not aware that you had replied. Moreover, I was not sure if the new section had been added because of poor WiFi signals. (talk) 15:10, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

KC Browser[edit]

Why my page is deleted ? It's not advertising or spam ! With proofs !! I'm Mohammad (talk) 10:43, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

KC Browser[edit]

Why my is being deleted ? It's not spam or advertising !!! I'm Mohammad (talk) 10:45, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

@I'm Mohammad: I had intended to delete it on the grounds that it's encyclopedic — about a thing, rather than about a recent event — and clicked the wrong item on the menu; apologies. You may find page WN:Pillars of Wikinews writing useful as a compact overview of Wikinews, and WN:Writing an article as a tutorial on writing an article. --Pi zero (talk) 11:23, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks again![edit]

I know I am a notoriously difficult contributor and this is only my second article. I am however, heavily invested in this topic and would to get it right. Thank you for your guidance and patience on this issue. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jmer559 (talkcontribs) 13:07, 11 April 2016

Major Colombian newspaper reveals Bogotá mayor does not hold claimed PhD degree[edit]

Hi, i have made a few corrections to this article and added an English language source. I have also removed the Original Source label. Could you please review again. Regards. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Martín Oregón (talkcontribs) 22:39, 11 April 2016

I saw you'd made some revisions and resubmitted. I knew I wouldn't be able to re-review before midnight UTC (that's only about fifteen minutes from now), but I'm hoping I can review it tonight my time (i.e., within the next few hours). Should be able to factor the shortage of English coverage into judgement on freshness. In review the bit at the end clearly has to be softened so it doesn't say it was an interview; but since I'm only basing that on my troublesome grasp on the Portuguese source, I'd have to be especially cautious not to add anything I can't be quite, quite certain about. --Pi zero (talk) 23:50, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
Realistically, I can't do the review this evening (local). My next opportunity is seven or eight hours from now. :-S  --Pi zero (talk) 03:03, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Clinton's politics called into question after Isis accusation[edit]

Hey, I keep being told to use a fresh lede then to lead into my original story (journalism major), I found one about a recent accusation and then used it to lead into my story about the emails, but I'm not sure if it's too off topic? I'm trying to learn and the criticism is definitely helping. I want to get it right!

Jmer559 (talk) 07:10, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Translation of Article from Other Wikinews[edit]

Hello, I wonder if there is any template to indicate that the article is a translation from another Wikinews. Regards. --Alvaro Molina.png Alvaro Molina (Let's Talk) 21:24, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

@AlvaroMolina: Yes, there is. {{Translated Wikinews}}. --Pi zero (talk) 22:24, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
@Pi zero: Thanks. --Alvaro Molina.png Alvaro Molina (Let's Talk) 22:29, 15 April 2016 (UTC)


Service link : Special: Nuke/Sfdg44. (talk) 18:41, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. --Pi zero (talk) 18:46, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

RE:Frontal system wreaks havoc in central zone of Chile[edit]

This happens because it was never revised time and all the effort made in the translation of all these paragraphs came to nothing. Biggest frustration that I lost time to write this article by the pure. --Alvaro Molina.png Alvaro Molina (Let's Talk) 04:01, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Plasticous capensis[edit]

Please could you stop deleting my page, it is clearly fiction, but its purpose is for an art project. It is an environmental intervention project to raise awareness about plastic waste in the ocean. I would appreciate it if you could stop interfering. Regards CarolineDT —The preceding comment was added by CarolineDT (talkcontribs) 23:30, 26 April 2016

Hi, CarolineDT. With respect, Wikinews is a news site. It is not an appropriate site to host a work of fiction. You might inquire at Wikiversity; I do recommend asking first, as a matter of courtesy. Re Wikinews, see also WN:PILLARS. --Pi zero (talk) 00:02, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Bus explosion in Armenian capital kills two[edit]

Hello, thanks for your help with my article. I have fixed what you told me to, but I'm not sure what to do next. It's my first time here so sorry if I'm a bit difficult. Please let me know if there's anything I have to do with my article. Thank you!Tia UOW (talk) 04:09, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

@Tia UOW: You've submitted it for review; the next move is for a reviewer to review it. I'm the most active reviewer here atm; I turned in early last night (with a spring cold; yes, we're on opposite sides of the world north/south as well as east/west), slept late, and have just gotten up. It's likely — though never certain, since reviewers here are volunteers too — that I'll get to your article sometime in the next few hours.

Btw, when leaving a message, just put four tildes (~~~~) at the end, rather than at the beginning and end. --Pi zero (talk) 12:15, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

@Pi_zero I just got your message. I will update my article now. ThanksTia UOW (talk) 14:47, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

@Tia UOW: Btw, the way to "ping" another user is to write wiki markup {{ping|...}} (where ... is the user name, such as {{ping|Pi zero}}). Though it's not actually necessary to type that when leaving a comment on that user's user talk page since they get notified of that even without the explicit ping. --Pi zero (talk) 15:18, 27 April 2016 (UTC)


I copyedited some of it. --Longboarder2000 (talk) 15:30, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Addressed this in a message on your user talk page. --Pi zero (talk) 15:38, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Ivory article[edit]

Hi Pi zero, I am going to make some changes regarding the value of the ivory. They are off by a factor of 1000. I don't know if you want to add some correction templates to the article or not. Cheers, --SVTCobra 16:26, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi, SVTCobra, thanks for catching the error. I suppose I missed it exactly because it's so obviously wrong, which puts it in a weird class. We do need to have a correction notice I think, so I added one. If it were a typo that doesn't change the meaning, we'd just fix it; if it were a typo that does change the meaning, ordinarily, we'd put on a correction notice instead of fixing the article text itself. But this? A typo-ish error that substantively changes the meaning but is so obviously wrong that readers would probably understand what it ought to say and might even not notice it (well, I didn't)? I suppose fixing the text and issuing a correction notice is a credible way to handle it. --Pi zero (talk) 17:12, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
LOL ... I saw the headline and was thinking "wow, I can afford ivory" ... ;-) Then I read the Swedish sources and saw the mistake. Then I saw the history and the original author wrote something like 250,00 thousand ... I think he must be from India .. they split numbers after 2 zeroes not 3. I think this is were the mistake originated. Cheers,--SVTCobra 06:53, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
@SVTCobra:Not an Indian, but probably a European editor. To say Eighty-eight and half km, Europeans write 88,5 km. To say One hundred and twenty-five thousand, they write 125.000
acagastya ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🚀 🔬 👟 🎬 🎼 📰 20:31, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Landslide in China leaves 41 people missing‎[edit]

I have corrected the article. Consider please review it again. Thank you. --Alvaro Molina.png Alvaro Molina (Let's Talk) 03:05, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

RE:Rouseff article[edit]

Undoubtedly the best writing another article contained and had more details. Similarly, all the effort I made in translating the article went away, mark it for deletion because so poor translation next to a perfectly written article and accurate information from a native speaker. Regards. --Alvaro Molina.png Alvaro Molina (Let's Talk) 18:47, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

World's oldest known hafted axe fragment found in Western Australia[edit]

Thank you for your help with this article, it definitely needed work before it was ready. You've helped me out twice now when my articles weren't completely up to scratch and your suggestions were constructive and super helpful. It's obvious that you put a lot of work into ensuring Wikinews maintains a certain standard and I just wanted to let you know that we all really appreciate it. Even the smaller, final changes you make to articles before they're ready to be published don't go unnoticed, you're doing really great work, thank you so much! -- MatAtUow (talk) 17:51, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

Much appreciated. Thanks. --Pi zero (talk) 18:26, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

Reproduce Articles VOA[edit]

Hello, I wonder if here you can create items copied from the "Voz de América" page (which releases its contents in the public domain), if so, what is what to do when creating these items? Regards and Thanks. --Alvaro Molina.png Alvaro Molina (Let's Talk) 05:05, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

@AlvaroMolina: Yes, we can copy their articles. We have to use this template {{VOA}}. Also we can copy Southeast European Times, but for some reasons, their website is not loading. But the rule is two independent sources confirming that the event happened.
acagastya ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🚀 🔬 👟 🎬 🎼 📰 08:09, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
@User:AlvaroMolina, User:Acagastya: When we use VOA as a source, we don't have to worry about copying particular passages because VOA is public domain. However, VOA is a propaganda outlet — and, in general, a much more slickly done one than FOX News — so we have to treat it with extreme caution. --Pi zero (talk) 10:49, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Is everything okay?[edit]

I did not find you on IRC. Is everything okay?
acagastya ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🚀 🔬 👟 🎬 🎼 📰 21:46, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Oh. Sorry. Am back on IRC now. --Pi zero (talk) 23:45, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
Okay. Well, reviewing would be time consuming, I feel it will be. First, I was not able to reach the minimal length, but then I somehow managed to. Please review Der Klassiker article first. But, is the Spanish phrase okay in the heading?
acagastya ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🚀 🔬 👟 🎬 🎼 📰 11:24, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
At first glance, it looks okay to me.
I'm looking at a review queue with thirteen articles on it. Thanks for guidance on your preference re review of your articles (and thanks for the advance warning they were coming, which also helps). I'll want to review articles likely to pass, which helps your articles of course, but I also want to avoid letting newcomer's articles starve, which probably limits how many of your articles I'd tackle promptly. So we'll just have to see how this goes. --Pi zero (talk) 11:40, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
At the moment, I am not considering to write the other two. Well, we discussed them being arch rivals in Mats Hummels' article. And, if we are not keeping DFB logo on that article (which was a weird thing I did), please add this image File:Manuel Neuer, Germany national football team (07).jpg
Image: Steindy., with caption: File photo of Manuel Neuer who saved the penalty kick of Bender.
acagastya ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🚀 🔬 👟 🎬 🎼 📰 12:50, 23 May 2016 (UTC)