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Copyediting (?)[edit]


Would you mind copyediting (is this the right word?) Hong Kong set for legislative election tomorrow amid multiple controversies as well, similar to Candidates suspend campaigns as Hong Kong legislative election approaches? I am new to wikinews, and I saw the work you've done the article I wrote, which made it much smoother to read. (also English isn't my mother tongue, so there's that) --Emphrase (talk) 13:32, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

@Emphrase: My edits to that article were really the first steps of reviewing it (review is described in the first pillar at WN:PILLARS); ordinarily I'd have marked the article {{under review}} when I started, except I'm not quite fully into it yet (still taking care of some morning chores irl, here). My Wikinews attention right now is on the one article, so I don't really want to shift over to the other article. Our biggest limitation here is limited review capacity; lately I've been doing almost all the review, and on average I'm lucky to do two full reviews in a day. (Yes, there's a plan to address that problem in the long term, but it really is long term.) --Pi zero (talk) 13:43, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. --Emphrase (talk) 13:45, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Joe Hart[edit]

I am planning to submit David Luiz/Samir Nasri's article after some hours which is on its third day of the freshness. So is Joe Hart's article. But Joe Hart's story completes the triangle of Bravo, Cilessen and Hart's move. I hope we do not miss it.
acagastya 15:02, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

@Acagastya: I'm having trouble kick-starting myself into review mode, and there are these Hong Kong articles. So, I really don't know how things will go. --Pi zero (talk) 15:08, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

If we have some time today...[edit]

The summer transfer window closed on Tuesday and I feel we did well. There were many transfers we could not cover, but with one author and one reviewer, we did push the limits. I am really thankful for reviewing the recent transfers. I had never expected so many important transfers to take place in the last few days. So, should we add the catogery of '2016 summer transfer window'? I will create the list. Let me know if you have some time for the editprotected requests apart. At the moment, there is only one article waiting in the queue, though.
acagastya 13:08, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

at a BC provincial press release[edit]

Want notes? - Amgine | t 17:53, 8 September 2016 (UTC) Amgine | t 17:53, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Okay, it was a new education policy requiring all schools, public and private, to write and implement an anti -bullying policy to include sexual orientation and gender identity and expression. This follows on to the provincial liberal government's amendment to the human rights code recently to explicitly include gender and expression. BC is in an election year; the liberals (conservative) have held the legislative Assembly since the 90s, and have suddenly in the past few months begun addressing popular issues. Yesterday an Angus Reid national poll showed more than 80% of the population feel trans people should be accepted and protected.

I have the official release, about 30 boring photos, and I hope I have audio of most of the question session.


Hello, Pi zero. Just wanted to let you know that I have sent you a non-wikinews related email.
acagastya 12:23, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

I might have sentit multiple times. The browser I was using didn't give an 'email sent' message.
acagastya 12:35, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
@Acagastya: I don't see anything from you in my inbox. --Pi zero (talk) 12:37, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Javascript on the site is now almost completely broken, btw. If you want things like email to work, reload the page until javascript loads correctly (this affects ordinary things like the "submit for review button" and images being arranged into galleries; it's not entirely the devs' fault as they've been given fundamentally bad directives from the Foundation about what they should be doing). --Pi zero (talk) 12:40, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
@Acagastya: Now I've got it in my inbox. --Pi zero (talk) 12:44, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
I doubt it was the fault of the website for this problem. I used my roommate's phone which had UC Browser (probably a Mini) which often has this error. But it worked fine for Firefox.
acagastya 13:16, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Kaveri dispute turns violent[edit]

Today, in Bangalore, Tamil Nadu vehicles were vandalised and in Tamil Nadu, a Kannada driver was beaten up. I am trying to find a focal point to write the next point of the story. But yes Section 144 has been called in Bangalore and students in Mysore were asked to be cautious on the road.
acagastya 12:33, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

I hope I got the focal point correctly. Unfortunately, I don't have any photos for publication.
acagastya 19:30, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
@Acagastya: I am sorry I'm not moving faster on your article; I take the situation there very seriously and would like to respond faster. Truthfully I've been coping with mild illness for several days. I working on it, though; moving slowly, but moving. --Pi zero (talk) 23:10, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
Take your time. I had trouble finding a focal point as I didn't expect the drastic change in the scenario between the states. I was happy about having an original report, but there delay was from my side. I submitted the article at 1:40 AM IST which is less than four hours before UTC clock strikes twelve. Not many articles were developed in the last two-three days, but this is fine. I went to the city today. There was no sign of vandalism, strike or blocks. Bangalore is in a bad situation. But Mysore seems to be okay. But take care of your health. One day delay for the article will not be a problem, but health first.
acagastya 06:10, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
For a while, there were four Original Reports! First time for me. Was this common in the older days?
acagastya 04:02, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
The Seattle ice cube article, though technically not OR, is almost OR since the six images of the event were taken on the spot by an accredited Wikinews reporter. So for a while there were, you might say, four and a half.

The only other times I recall something like this were when Laura Hale was covering some major sports event (especially the London Paralympics). Looking at Category:Original reporting, it seems there was quite a bit of it going on around the time I arrived, but I suppose I wasn't yet tuned into the project well enough to be aware of it. --Pi zero (talk) 11:31, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

It is great! It feels good to have original report published. But, these days, I don't have access to internet. I ask my bench mates to let me check the recent changes. I would not be constantly writing articles, at least for a fortnight - only exception is some news event I really want to share. I have to remember, I need to move out from writing only sports article. But yes, I check what is going on each day. (But I don't login often, so I would not see if somebody pinged me)
acagastya 15:33, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Please don't delete other peoples' comments unless you have good reason to do so.[edit]

Warning! Please refrain from removing comments on Wikinews. Your edit has been reverted. You should not be removing other peoples' comments unless you have a very good reason to do so. And saying "I disagree with it" or "you have been constantly disruptive on other wikis", for example, are not good reasons. But you didn't provide any reasons. I was commenting on the use of 'it should be noted', I know this isn't an encyclopedia. But I don't think news articles should highlight things as interesting or important to note either. I believe in neutral point of view, verification and reliability. But please be civil, polite and helpful, and don't be a jerk. Thank you. Turkeybutt JC (talk) 13:57, 12 September 2016 (UTC):
Oh, so that's what your revision was for. From the diffs I thought you deleted it. But I can't find my post in the article's collaboration page. Where is my post? --Turkeybutt JC (talk) 14:16, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
@Turkeybutt JC: I put it in a thread on the comments page. You're probably right that it should have been on the collaboration page, but, the comments page isn't an entirely unreasonable place for it. Comments:Apple concerned with iPhone icons' alleged misuse. (Does that display properly for you?) --Pi zero (talk) 14:22, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
I stand corrected. --Turkeybutt JC (talk) 14:27, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
NP. :-)  --Pi zero (talk) 14:51, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank You for Publishing[edit]

Thank You for Publishing 'Scientists claim decrease in hotness of Bhut Jolokia' . Inspired by this first accepted news of mine, I hope to contribute further for this noble project! IKHazarika (talk) 14:41, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

RE:Obama creates first marine national monument in Atlantic Ocean[edit]

Hi, it does appear that the article was replaced with another. I was a little surprised because in Spanish VOA does not do that and the English version will change the entire context of the article. Well, it is not my English, it is this, it is better not to write in my own words and a bad English or good English from these agencies, anyway. Regards. Alvaro Molina.png Alvaro Molina (Let's Talk) 00:00, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Video on YouTube for Original Report[edit]

I am uploading a video on YouTube for original report, but the video size is 1.3 gigabytes. Though i would list the details on the talk page of the article, please listen to the audio of the video. (Else we would waste lot of internet data). I will share the link as soon as the upload finishes.
acagastya 11:51, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Please listen to the audio of [1]. It is no more than 16 MB on
The spam filter sucks.
acagastya 14:07, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
I'm able to listen to it, apparently. --Pi zero (talk) 15:28, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

We do not remove iw's that are also on wikidata[edit]

Why? Why is it worth having all the links duplicated—except German, which was connected after “migrating” to Wikidata? Why don’t you just enjoy that you don’t have to maintain interlanguage links? —Tacsipacsi (talk) 17:59, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

We discussed this as a community at en.wn. Short version: Controlling interwikis from a central location is a bad idea that does corrosive long-term damage to the entire sisterhood (damage includes reduced interwiki connectivity, and disempowering and psychologically discouraging local sister projects and local users).

(In the long run, I do think it's possible to set up an infrastructure that makes beneficial use of wikidata, with primary local control, maximizing interwiki-linkage quality and promoting local control, local morale, and even wikidata quality.) --Pi zero (talk) 19:27, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

@Tacsipacsi: I could go into detail on various of those points, if you like; it just didn't seem right to go into lots of detail that might not be wanted. --Pi zero (talk) 19:35, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
I don’t see your point, but I will simply ignore enwiktionary as an editor—there are many other wikis to improve, which accept Wikidata. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 20:56, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
@Tacsipacsi: This is English Wikinews, rather than English Wiktionary. --Pi zero (talk) 21:12, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Indonesian authorities investigate after pornographic film screened on billboard in Jakarta[edit]

Just checking in, how is this article I did? Is there anything that needs to be edited before it can be published? (Iuio (talk) 01:37, 3 October 2016 (UTC))

@Iuio: I haven't been able to really concentrate on it yet; today was not a very successful review day for me. As midnight UTC approached I could see I'd only be able to get one in, and decided to go for the one whose event was still the same day (I got it in about half an hour before midnight, so it was still "today" rather than having to be changed to "yesterday"). I was aware the whole time of your article, which was about an event on Friday, and therefore at midnight UTC entered its third calendar day after the event. I hope to get down to it the morning (my time; nine or more from now). --Pi zero (talk) 01:47, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
Alright, well, I was hoping it doesn't get too stale for publication, which was my main concern. Hope things work out for you regarding it though. (Iuio (talk) 02:05, 3 October 2016 (UTC))
I too am really hoping to catch it while still fresh; it's just that a very fresh article makes a very desirable target for review. Having gotten that out while it was still "today", I'm very aware that your article needs to be acted on before it gets past us. --Pi zero (talk) 02:24, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Rosetta's news is three days old. I was planning to write it. In the worst case, I would copy entirely from VOA. Let me know if you have time for it so I should start.
acagastya 14:54, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

@Acagastya: I expect I'll be available for a review maybe four or five hours from now (with still four hours before midnight UTC). We do not, of course, republish articles from elsewhere, as such (I was just remarking on that to someone, yesterday iirc); but if you have time to put something together, I have some time later today in which I believe I could review it. --Pi zero (talk) 15:01, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
Here it is. Twelve years a journey of Rosetta ends; probe crashes in a comet. It needs to be renamed. It is not a probe, but a spacecraft. I am sorry for the delay.
acagastya 20:30, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
I'll see what I can do. --Pi zero (talk) 20:32, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
@Acagastya: Done. --Pi zero (talk)
Thank you very much :-)
By the way, shouldn't we archive some of the stories? And also some of the discussions on your talk page? Interesting to note that 20 out of 43 discussions were started by me. By the way, should I finish the futsal news article? If you have time and you feel like another review, I will quickly submit it. Or should I keep it for tomorrow?
acagastya 22:18, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
Can you check this link. O don't think it is paywalled like NYT. But I just want to confirm.
acagastya 22:48, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
It looks okay to me. --Pi zero (talk) 22:50, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
I'd gotten behind on article archiving for some reason; thanks for the reminder.

I don't think I'm up to another full review tonight, fwiw. --Pi zero (talk) 22:56, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Sure. I would take a nap. It is interesting to see that I kept an alarm for 1A.M. and 1:15A.M. just to write the news article and I woke up. I am trying to weather up early to study and I fail each day!

Tomorrow will be the last day for futsal article. And Nobel Prize for physics will be announced tomorrow. But I don't know if I am willing to write about it. Let's see. Goodnight!
acagastya 23:20, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

@Acagastya: Published. --Pi zero (talk) 21:45, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for your work in reviewing and publishing the article, I'm glad it got published before it went stale, thankfully. Just wondering, should the article "Indonesian government bans pornographic sites" also be in the YouTube category? Also, I think the article "'Hunger Games' salute used to protest coup d'état in Thailand" should also be in the Protests category. (Iuio (talk) 06:22, 4 October 2016 (UTC))
The protest article definitely belongs in the protest category, yes; good catch. I think the other is a rather distant connection to YouTube; that story doesn't involve YouTube at all, it just refers to YouTube which is not involved in any of the then-current action described by the article. --Pi zero (talk) 11:43, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Alright then. I was also wondering if the article "Pakistani immigrant convicted of N.Y. subway plot" should also be in the Asia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Osama bin Laden categories, since those parts are mentioned in the article. Seems like there are a number of old articles that could be categorized better. (Iuio (talk) 22:47, 4 October 2016 (UTC))
Hmm. I hesitated over whether that article is really related to Pakistan, but went ahead and added that category. I was less sure about Osama bin Laden, so I just converted the link to use {{w}}. That's a sort of hedge. To explain: Just mentioning something doesn't always mean it should be in that thing's category. The rule of thumb is, if you were looking for news related to the thing, would you want this article to appear on the list? The {{w}} template is an important part of our system; it automatically populates Category:Pages with categorizable local links, and can also be used with a user-interface gadget to underline local {{w}}-links in green. Eventually we mean to convert all our archived articles to use {{w}}, and consider every local {{w}}-link to either categorize or not categorize the article. But we're less than halfway through converting our archived articles to use {{w}}, and already have thousands of articles with local {{w}}-link to consider. --Pi zero (talk) 23:57, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Black women report to OAS increased violence against them and Daylight saving time starts on October 16 in Brazil[edit]

Sorry my bad english (i'speak portuguese). I wanted to know why you're putting the news published for review, if indeed they were created from content with CC (Creative Commons)? When I publish the news in Spanish, practically the same rules in WN-EN, not have this bureaucracy that you impose. ANGwiki (talk) 02:27, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

@ANGwiki: We review articles for several criteria. Not just for copyright. There is a compact overview of what we do at English Wikinews at WN:PILLARS. --Pi zero (talk) 11:28, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
The problem is that I've read all about WP: Pillars and says nothing about CC. Will impose rules to DC too? It is very strange that there are sites allow reproduction here does not allow. ANGwiki (talk) 23:30, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I'm not sure what you're objecting to. I wrote review comments to explain my reviews. --Pi zero (talk) 23:35, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Yoshinori Ohsumi wins Nobel Prize for research on autophagy[edit]

The article is in the third day of freshness, three hours left before it goes stale. Though it was October 4 in Ohsumi's motherland. Hope we publish it on time.
acagastya 20:54, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

I just got back on-line a couple of minutes ago after spending all day upgrading my OS. --Pi zero (talk) 21:10, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
Yakketi Yak?
acagastya 21:22, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
I have real doubts of my ability to review this in the time available (which has further shrunk as I've dealt with routine stuff that's been accumulating all day). --Pi zero (talk) 22:06, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for publishing it!
acagastya 23:48, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
By the way, did you update your OS to 16.10?
acagastya 05:13, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
I can't find a convenient way to query this OS's version number. But I think it was 16.04LTS. (The upgrade was overdue, and had become urgent, which was why I dropped everything to do it.) --Pi zero (talk) 10:55, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Me and my friends were discussing various distros. I saw Yakketi Yak was out but didn't have LTS after we failed to find a link to download Debian Jessie. Well, I am going home tomorrow, by the way. So I might be off-wiki.
acagastya 14:24, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

The other day, I was using Debian 8. All of the emojis didn't work in the Firefox. This never happened when I used Ubuntu. Are you able to see the emojis on my userpage?
acagastya 13:54, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
If that's the row of symbols across the top, yes, in both firefox and opera. --Pi zero (talk) 14:26, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
Yes, those icons. I almost forgot that you use Opera. Well, there is no JavaScript issue in the Chelsea website, but they have annoying Cookies message.
acagastya 17:35, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Bob Dylan becomes first singer to win Nobel Prize in Literature[edit]

Can you please rename the page without leaving a redirect removing the word dinner? I am sorry for being careless while creating it.
acagastya 08:05, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

@Acagastya: Done --Pi zero (talk) 11:04, 14 October 2016 (UTC)


You are right just don't ever try to make other people feel bad you know how long and irritiating it is to write an article. Kat&Kel (talk) 19:01, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Writing is hard. We all know it.

There are some pages here you may find helpful for learning about the project. There's a compact overview of what we do at WN:Pillars of Wikinews writing. The question of what is, and isn't, news is addressed at WN:Newsworthiness. There's an (imho) excellent tutorial on getting started writing for Wikinews at WN:Writing an article. --Pi zero (talk) 19:41, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Creating articles using mobile site[edit]

I wanted to see the CSS when I try to create a page using mobile editor. Do, no templates like {{develop}}, {{date}}, {{HYS}} or {{Source}} are there.
acagastya 02:00, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

@Acagastya: Ah, yes, I see that the mobile view cripples the whole preload mechanism. Which is used all over the site for article creation forms. So we really need to replace the article creation forms with dialog-based assistants if we want the mobile view to be at all useable for creating articles. Lovely. Well, better to know than not. Meanwhile I'm starting preliminaries for upgrading {{ambox}} to work with the mobile interface (but I'm going to have to tread carefully; first of all I have to figure out just how many pages use ambox; if it's roughly all published articles, that's only about 20k pages, but if the welcome template uses it, that's more like a million pages). --Pi zero (talk) 02:29, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
Might be worth commenting on the bug – phab:T126190 – about our use-case. Microchip08 (talk) 15:52, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
Heh. Fortunately, it's only used on a bit less than 10k pages. --Pi zero (talk) 03:05, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
Though xambox would fix the issue with mobile view, can we modify the archive template? Because the page would ask to be checked again and that would me more that 20 thousand!
acagastya 14:22, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
Hm, yes, that's an important one to do. A bit messy since {{archived}} doesn't use {{ambox}} but instead has all the code from {{ambox}} subst'd in. --Pi zero (talk) 14:32, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
Done --Pi zero (talk) 15:25, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
Yes, working fine. But the lock image isn't visible. And it is indeed important to have the "lock" image on the template.
acagastya 15:40, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
Fair enough. --Pi zero (talk) 15:43, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
Removing <noinclude> is due to the usage of xambox?
acagastya 19:52, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
No. Nothing to do with it, except that while working on pages that use ambox I happened to look in on Category:Preload templates, and notice about three hundred comments pages that shouldn't be there. I'd forgotten about this, but I think I recall it now that my memory has been stirred. It's not — I think — even a wiki-software problem, exactly; those opinions pages are created by the review gadget, and it does it in a way that doesn't remove the noinclude. That aspect of it broke with a platform-software change a while back. The easiest fix, relatively speaking, is to replace the review gadget. --Pi zero (talk) 20:02, 20 October 2016 (UTC)