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We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.
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Thanks for doing the review on the Russian air strikes article. I'm happy to note that on the main page I played a major part in three of the five lead articles and a fourth one in the list of ten at the top right. :) Green Giant (talk) 21:20, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

 :-) --Pi zero (talk) 21:22, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you[edit]

I hereby award Pi Zero this barnstar for reviewing articles to filter out bias, plagiarism, and other such things from Wikinews' front page.

--Leugen9001 (talk) 04:50, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. --Pi zero (talk) 04:58, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Wikinews interviews painter Pricasso on his art and freedom of expression[edit]

It took me a while to research, do the interview, and put this all together. It was quite a coup to get a response back from the interviewee.

It's a nice piece related to freedom of speech and issues of censorship.

Do you think you could review it?

Thank you for your time,

-- Cirt (talk) 07:20, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

@Cirt: I might have a chance to in a few hours (likely publication would be after midnight UTC); I've done some preliminaries, but haven't gotten into the verification phase at all yet. --Pi zero (talk) 19:20, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
Okay sounds good. You've already reviewed the Background stuff before, for the most part. :) -- Cirt (talk) 20:41, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
Seems I've missed my time window for tonight. :-(  --Pi zero (talk) 00:53, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
Ah, okay, that's alright, what's it looking like now? :) -- Cirt (talk) 00:54, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Caricatures was my way of referring to multiple files, the portrait and video. Your edit is correct. :) -- Cirt (talk) 04:16, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

I don't want to edit over you while you're reviewing, but you could wikilink to w:The Picture (magazine), which is = Picture Magazine, and probably just correct it to be Picture magazine. Hope that's helpful, -- Cirt (talk) 13:29, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
@Cirt: I wasn't sure whether that was the magazine he was referring to. --Pi zero (talk) 13:50, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I checked, it's published in Australia and commonly referred to colloquially as Picture Magazine. Thank you, -- Cirt (talk) 13:53, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Although, you're correct, I haven't yet found the exact issue magazine he's referring to from 2006, so I'll defer to your judgement. No worries, -- Cirt (talk) 13:55, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
I agree with all of your four recommendations, and also about adding editor's notes. Shall I attempt to do that myself, or wait for you to do something? -- Cirt (talk) 18:10, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
@Cirt: I'm trying to draft something very minimal myself; if you could take a look at what I do and provide feedback about it on the article take page, that'd be great. Of course I can't do much as reviewer, but the less we interrupt the flow of the interview, the better. --Pi zero (talk) 18:17, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Okay, that sounds good to me, thank you very much! -- Cirt (talk) 18:20, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
For the image caption for the painting, would you please slightly tweak that to: ... the uploading of which Wales called "Harassment". Adding phrase "the uploading of", before "which", in the image caption. I think that also helps address directly one of your thoughtful recommendations. Sound good? -- Cirt (talk) 18:36, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your thoughtful review.

I'm glad we were able to collaborate and compromise together so nicely.

I agree with all of your recommendations and editorial changes.

Thanks again,

-- Cirt (talk) 20:48, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

You're totally correct[edit]

You're totally correct in your comments here.

Just note Blood Red Sandman (talk · contribs) loosened the talk page restrictions -- not I.

So hopefully we can have a constructive discussion, with the community, at a later point in time, for sure.

But no one has actually unblocked him yet.

Sound good?

-- Cirt (talk) 17:25, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

If w:Template:2nd chance doesn't work -- there's always the notion on Wikipedia of w:WP:LASTCHANCE. Just food for thought, -- Cirt (talk) 18:10, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
@Cirt: As always, all we can do is move forward from where we are. :-)  --Pi zero (talk) 18:15, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
Heheh, agreed, hopefully. -- Cirt (talk) 18:21, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Just curious.......[edit]

....could you take a peak and see how many views my recent haunt article has received, please? Thanks!! --Bddpaux (talk) 16:40, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

@Bddpaux: It looks as if it received a few hundred on its first day of publication. I suspect it didn't do as well as it ought because it's never been pushed to our Facebook page — the folks at Facebook, you'll recall, went black-hat on me and said I couldn't keep my account unless I gave them privacy-invading information, so I no loner have a Facebook account and have been relying on the charity of others to push articles to there. The last article pushed to Facebook was the Oregon shootings one on October 4. --Pi zero (talk) 17:19, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Hmmmmmm, well I've put it on my (personal) Facebook page......I wonder if I can push it out to the WN page.....don't see why I can't.... --Bddpaux (talk) 19:38, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Well, who maintains Wikinews' (can we call ours) account on social networking websites? (talk) 19:43, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
My memory (fading by now, since it's been a long time I've been deprived of Facebook access) is that one has to have admin privs on the Wikinews facebook page to do a new post there; we set me up with that once I had a fb account. BRS was doing some of it for a while, and Tom Morris did quite a bit of it but hasn't been available for it just lately. And from time to time brianmc, but we haven't heard much from him on-wiki lately. --Pi zero (talk) 20:04, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Well, it seems they don't want to be named there because when I messaged, nobody replied. (talk) 20:14, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
I'm reminded that last time BRS tried to push something to fb there was some sort of technical problem; [1]. --Pi zero (talk) 20:44, 12 October 2015 (UTC)


I'm moving this to the proposals water cooler; it seems a community-wide thing, might get better visibility there, and surely ought to be easier to find later in discussion archives. --Pi zero (talk) 21:11, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Crash out vs fail to qualify[edit]

The difference, I thought, is obvious. The Netherlands were not in the European Championship 2016, since that takes place in 2016. They were attempting to qualify for it. They failed to qualify. You cannot crash out of a tournament that (a) hasn't started and (b) you're not in. Also, please call it the European Championship, not the Euro Cup, per all reliable sources. Thanks. Bencherlite (talk) 20:48, 15 October 2015 (UTC)


Why did you revert my edit on User talk:Gryllida? I was trying to restore the content. Now it is blank, after that vandalism. (talk) 23:14, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

I didn't notice somebody had made an edit since the vandal did. Fixed now; thanks. --Pi zero (talk) 23:16, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Pi zero[edit]

Thank you for your review and assistance in helping to edit the article. I would like to contribute more if that's ok. My next article will hopefully meet WikiNews standards more quickly! :) --LegereScire (talk) 12:36, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikinews. :-)  --Pi zero (talk) 12:40, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Review step[edit]

Sorry there, at ISIS militant shoots, kills five at Saudi Arabia Shia mosque, was doing some copy-editing, didn't know you were going to review.

Hope I didn't edit-conflict or mess up anything for ya.

-- Cirt (talk) 02:31, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

@Cirt: I was hoping I hadn't messed up anything for you. --Pi zero (talk) 02:35, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
No, totally no worries, I hadn't started a review yet, was just in copy-editing stage. All is good! P.S. See my post on Technical Water Cooler for a very useful new tool !!! -- Cirt (talk) 02:35, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Help with if condition[edit]

In {{Football bookings}}, if the red cards shown are zero, that table cell should not be displayed. Or I can say, display the table cells only when called. How to modify that? Is that Lua? (talk) 11:28, 18 October 2015 (UTC)


Sorry about that edit, I didn't mean to change the meaning. --Rubbish computer (talk) 00:34, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Np. --Pi zero (talk) 00:46, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Ronaldo surpasses Raúl's record, becomes Real Madrids' top scorer‎[edit]

Hi Pi zero, you accepted my piping on the main page template to correct the typo, but didn't move the article. Are you willing to move it to Ronaldo surpasses Raúl's record, becomes Real Madrid's top scorer‎? Or is there a reason to keep this error? Thanks Bencherlite (talk) 11:23, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

I saw no harm in the piping. It probably works more smoothly with the singular. Seems like "error" is a bit strong, since there's that whole singular-versus-plural-treatment-of-a-team can of worms. Renaming prior to Category:Archived can cause duplicate listings in some feeds, so I'm not real enthusiastic about doing that yet. --Pi zero (talk) 11:31, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
Calling the team "Real Madrids" (the possessive apostrophe following the "s" means that it has been written as a plural) is most certainly an error. Why do you think it's correct? It's not a "Real Madrid is" versus "Real Madrid are" issue. Bencherlite (talk) 16:08, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
This isn't about the construction "Real Madrids", which strikes me as very colloquial (though one could imagine an informal spoken context where it would pass without notice). It's about morphologically how to form the possessive of a noun that doesn't end with s and can be treated as either singular or plural depending on conceptual intent. If the noun were always understood to be plural, one would use apostrophe-s. If the noun were always understood to be singular, one would use apostrophe-s. But if the noun can be either number, and given that apostrophe-s and s-apostrophe would produce the same pronunciation anyway, the choice between the two becomes a convenient way to mark conceptual number, and I'm not rushing to produce duplicate entries in feeds over it — even though, as mentioned, I prefer the apostrophe-s construction here. --Pi zero (talk) 17:46, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
Actually, it is precisely about the construction "Real Madrids' top scorer", which is only conceivably correctly if one would instead write "the top scorer of Real Madrids", which no one would. (I assume that when you say "very colloquial", you actually mean "wrong and unacceptable usage".) If you're right, though, then the internet must be littered with reliable sources saying "Real Madrids' stadium/player/season" (etc). Can you find any? (hint: the answer is "no", for the same reason that no-one would ever write "Liverpools'", "Chelseas'", "Belgiums'" or "Englands'"). And pronunciation is irrelevant because we are talking about the written word. Why are you letting the question of a newsfeed trump the accuracy of the article's title? Bencherlite (talk) 19:53, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
I'm not trying to be argumentative. I've tried to explain my position but, for whatever reason, evidently my message isn't coming through to you intact. --Pi zero (talk) 20:44, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
Ditto. If only we could find reliable sources that support your stance, then your message might actually carry some weight. Without them, it doesn't. Bencherlite (talk) 20:49, 20 October 2015 (UTC)


Please see talk page before publishing - the title needs thought. Thanks, Bencherlite (talk) 13:32, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Taking extra extra measures to be sure I see it? Heh. Pointing out flaws in headlines pre-publish is appreciated, though; it's amazingly easy to overlook them. --Pi zero (talk)


My review activity is likely to be somewhat lessened for a while, as I've got a head cold which is taking the edge off my sharpness of mental focus. --Pi zero (talk) 23:30, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Hope you feel better soon !!! -- Cirt (talk) 00:08, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
I recommend comfort food and gratuitous amounts of sleep, best cold treatments out there. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 01:33, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

re obit[edit]

No worries, go ahead ! -- Cirt (talk) 19:54, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Reporting incident[edit]

Unexplained removal of content by Aliceroseg (talk · contribs) (talk) 23:52, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

It could have been done because the list is so very out-of-date (not maintained since about the time I arrived on the project, apparently). Admittedly, though, when doing something like that there should have been an explanation in the edit summary. --Pi zero (talk) 00:12, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
If we are going to remove it, I don't support this move. A week earlier, I was reading it and I find it important. (talk) 00:33, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
Okay. --Pi zero (talk) 00:36, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
Last updated before I got here, by a couple of years. And, the means suggested for updating it won't work anymore, I'm guessing, because WN: is now short for Wikinews: so it turns up everything in project space, which it probably wasn't in 2007. It may be possible, once I have my dialog tools a bit more fully operational, to set up some kind of assistant for updating that list. --Pi zero (talk) 01:04, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Help request: Airshow collision kills one in Dittingen, Switzerland[edit]

Please see Talk:Airshow collision kills one in Dittingen, Switzerland. Sorry I haven't used the official template but I was rather unclear about its effect. Thanks and best wishes DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered (talk) 23:54, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi, DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered. (Quite a username, that.) I did see the note, yes. It raises a whole bunch of questions; I commented there. We certainly want to address the matter... appropriately. Figuring out what is appropriate seems the challenge. I've also pinged the reporter who wrote the article. --Pi zero (talk) 00:06, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Time magazine names Ahmed Mohamed to 'Most Influential Teens of 2015'[edit]

Hey Pi zero !

You reviewed the prior article I wrote on same subject -- and I cited that prior article for background/context info so this review should be pretty easy.

(Other than the stuff already-reviewed from the prior article, it just cites two sources to the new developments.)

And, after much research and contacting several photographers -- I was even able to secure via OTRS confirmation several free-use photos of the subject -- in his NASA t-shirt no less !!!

Could you take a look at it ?

I've been trying to help out the community lately and chipping in by copy-editing and reviewing several other articles.

Hope you're doing well,

-- Cirt (talk) 04:39, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi Cirt. :-)  I did get over that cold, from a while back. I'm happy to take a look at this article, naturally I remember the earlier one, though I have some Wednesday-morning chores to do here first (just at a guess, might take me a couple of hours). And, I've certainly noticed your activity on Wikinews lately, with gratitude; getting up in the morning to see what's happened to the review queue while I was asleep and discovering there's (say) one less thing there because you came by is a cheering way to start the day. --Pi zero (talk) 11:39, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
Heheh thanks for noticing. And I'm really glad you're feeling better !!! -- Cirt (talk) 15:36, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Vivil (t · c · b)[edit]

This user creates redirects from User:KingVivil‎ to his userpage. Blood Red Sandman deleted the page. But he is up with this redirect again! (talk) 18:24, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

In fact BRS deleted it twice, but the deleted version was a hard redirect, which I expect didn't work because the target page doesn't exist locally. --Pi zero (talk)

Knock. Knock.[edit]

Tefa-Halloween.png Werewolf.svg
Trick? No! We all want a treat.
Happy Halloween!

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 18:30, 30 October 2015

Happy Halloween. --Pi zero (talk) 22:46, 30 October 2015 (UTC)


Why did you delete my article? --Joskinfieds (talk) 21:35, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

This project is for publishing neutral accurate news. --Pi zero (talk) 22:38, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

hello about my new news piece.[edit]

hi pi zero could you please help me when you get a chance and take a look at my short news article. thanks. i know your busy. --Fdena (talk) 08:20, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

i know your very busy with other matters but could you do anything to the article page to help it possibly grow? --Fdena (talk) 09:04, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

My Article[edit]

Hello, I saw your comment on my article, so I was wondering, what should I edit to get it approved? Or is it not worth my time seeing how it technically not "fresh" as it was published a week ago? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tardis218 (talkcontribs) 22:56, 10 November 2015

Hi Tardis218. You'd need to refocus the article on a fresh event (perhaps the swearing-in, but even that is now two calendar days old) and find at least one source bearing witness that the event actually happened as had been anticipated, preferably two to better demonstrate relevance. Refocusing an article tends to be a difficult operation, even without the sourcing and relevance difficulties; a sufficiently experienced Wikinewsie might make it work, but since you're just learning the ropes, it may be better to look for another story that's just happened to write about. (When I set out to write my first article, iirc it took me some time before I found a story I really wanted to share — after which I then had to keep checking up on it for several hours before a second, independent source became available.) --Pi zero (talk) 04:04, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Heh, even now I couldn't find anything on if the meeting at the City Hall went as expected. And now thinking about it, I might not even write for Wikinews at all seeing how I'm untalented with writing anyhow, let alone write a semi-professional news article :P Ah well, thanks for the help. Tardis218 (talk) 04:28, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

@Tardis218: Well, obviously I can't make that decision for you, but in favor of news writing I'll point out that it's a good way to learn to be a better writer; it's a very forthright form, and teaches you to get straight to the point. We had a newcomer earlier this year who took to embedding html comments <!-- like this --> in their lede every few words to note which of the five Ws and H they'd just answered. :-)

Yeah, I suspected there wouldn't be any coverage of the swearing-in.

Btw, that first article I wrote? I think I hunted around on news services for a day or so, seeing various things go by and just not finding anything that excited me, and then I hit on a story that I just fell in love with instantly, and knew I'd found what I was looking for. The result:

"Robbery suspect flees on riding mower" — Wikinews, November 19, 2010.
(Would have been even better if I'd thought at the time to slap on a file photo from Commons of a riding mower.) --Pi zero (talk) 04:58, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Hahaha, that story is amazing. I'll have to look out for news stories in my area then, see if I find anything of interest to write about. :P Tardis218 (talk) 05:14, 11 November 2015 (UTC)