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On the campaign trail trail, October 2016[edit]

The text of the Summary section is mostly stable. I still have to add some photos however. --William S. Saturn (talk) 18:06, 3 November 2016 (UTC)


This Is your New Phone Pre-Tapped? The "PLAIN HEARING DOCTRINE" looks familiar. I will leave him a note about self-publishing.....but this topic/content rings a bell with me.....maybe 4-6 backs, possibly?? Just wondering if this is a disruptive user??? --Bddpaux (talk) 22:47, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Wikinews:Story preparation/Stephen Port trial[edit]

Prosecution gave a closing speech today. (Source) I haven't included it in the article since it's a potted recap of their case, which we already have in detail, but it means we're drawing close to a verdict. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 16:46, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Jury is deliberating. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 15:55, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
Noted. (It boggles my mind how long I have been trying, and failing, to scrape up time to pre-review that prepared story. And all the stuff that has happened meanwhile; there once was a world in which Donald Trump had never been elected POTUS.) --Pi zero (talk) 16:28, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
Just a quick note, deliberations continue as normal. (one, two) BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 13:39, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

user talk g[edit]

Hi, I ursurped the account user:G in september. But on this wiki user talk:G still has the welcome message of the old account owner as its only content. I requested speedy deletion of that talk page some time ago, but the request is not decided. Please delete that page or move its content to the new account owner user:*g. You can check my identity by looking at the user creation log on meta. --° (Gradzeichen) 18:44, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

No elaborate verification needed; it's a straightforward request for deletion by the owner in user space. --Pi zero (talk) 19:03, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
Please delete the new welcome message also. It is only distracting. "G" is meant as an alias, so that users without a geman keyboard (that has "°" as a standard key) can easily sent me echo notifications. --° (Gradzeichen) 19:26, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
@°: Since you intend the account to be an empty shell, wouldn't it make more sense to have a talk page indicating so, given that the user talk page is where an experienced wikimedian would go to communicate with the account, rather than leave a confusingly empty user talk page? --Pi zero (talk) 19:33, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
For that purpose there is the (global) user page. Optimal would be to protect the talk page against creation (if only because of bots, spreading there messages without looking at a user page), but talk pages don't get permanent protection... --° (Gradzeichen) 20:28, 28 November 2016 (UTC)


Dear Pi zero, please add the following into the Punjab article.

Regards Peeta Singh (talk) 04:34, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

{{Topic cat
|intro=a geographical region including but significantly larger than the state and province of Punjab
|usage note=See also [[Punjab (Pakistan)|Punjab province (Pakistan)]] and [[Punjab (India)|Punjab state (India)]]
|image=Punjab map (topographic) with cities.png

We don't now have a category for Punjab. Creating a category requires working out what articles in our archives belong in it, and there should usually be at least three before we create it; here it seems we might want to limit the category to articles that are specifically about the region as a whole, and I don't know whether we have articles about the region as a whole. --Pi zero (talk) 04:56, 2 December 2016 (UTC)


Time to create a CAT for Neymar (Neymar Jr, Neymar Jr. and other redirects {check}).

Here is the list of articles; In all of them, Neymar has been used.

Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 05:12, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

I'll look into it the morning; off hand, it looks like a solid and manageable feline. --Pi zero (talk) 05:15, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Decimal-sexigisimal entanglement[edit]

Think its interesting to explore this idea. Why did you delete the aricle I was writing? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 336sunny (talkcontribs) 02:10, 3 December 2016‎

Hi. It may be interesting, intellectually, but it's not news. We publish neutral articles about current events. For exploring your idea, you might wish to enquire at Wikiversity. I don't know what they'd say; I'm just suggesting an exploration like that might be closer to fitting on Wikiversity than on Wikinews. (For contributions at Wikinews, I usually recommend reading WN:PILLARS, then WN:WRITE.) --Pi zero (talk) 02:17, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Digital-sexigesimal entanglement[edit]

Something strange about Plimpton 322 is always news. But hey, can get it from Science News. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 336sunny (talkcontribs) 02:29, 3 December 2016‎

If you think there's news in there, build a news article around it. Besides WN:PILLARS and WN:WRITE, there's also WN:Article wizard. --Pi zero (talk) 02:34, 3 December 2016 (UTC)


Hey there. What's the use case of {{votings|x=}}, compared to MediaWiki:Gadget-hidevotings.css? It seems to have made all the templates a lot more complicated for little benefit. Microchip08 (talk) 22:29, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

I know nothing about the hidevotings gadget, other than vague awareness that there is one. Not sure what complication you're asking about. I did a major upgrade to votings recently to get it to put all the non-zero items before all the zero items. --Pi zero (talk) 22:40, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

76 dead in plane crash near Medellín, Colombia[edit]

In the article mentioned, Change La Unión, Valle del Cauca by La Unión, Antioquia. Thanks. -- (talk) 02:33, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Done, thanks. --Pi zero (talk) 02:43, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

I am so sad to hear Odain Howell (talk) 22:31, 5 January 2017 (UTC)


Hi Pi zero, saw you on Template:Editprotected/Volunteers. Would you please check out these: 1, 2? Thank you, Xaosflux (talk) 15:55, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Done, thanks. --Pi zero (talk) 16:02, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

About the changes in the templates[edit]

Adding irrelevant gifs and unofficial logos is also increasing the page size. Replacing previous media which was lesser than 40KBs with images more than 100-200KBs wastes a lot of data. While browsing using cellular data, readers suffer a significant amount of data for almost zero benefit and it also wastes lot of time loading the pages.
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 06:58, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

<nods> A fair point. --Pi zero (talk) 13:03, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Category:Aviation accidents and incidents[edit]

Was wondering how you'd feel about creating such. I'd always viewed it as an intersection of two cats, but I'm reminded (by creating {{Aviation mishaps}}, though now I realise it seems obvious) that certain criminal acts fit the bill without fitting the disasters/accidents cat. Hijackers divert Libyan passenger jet to Malta is conspicuously absent and unruly passengers, on-board illness, and so forth would also meet the definition. Thoughts? BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 21:35, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

What sort of news articles about aviation would this not include? --Pi zero (talk) 21:44, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
<grin> The fact the cat, like many, is mostly bad news is a form of systematic bias inherent to news reporting. Drone delivers transfusion blood intact is a recent example. There's also business-type stuff such as Air Canada back in the black in 2010, Garuda Indonesia increases flights, fleet; may buy rival, etc. It also branches into culture/entertainment, such as Wikinews visits the 2009 Reno Air Races, and sci/tech stuff like Solar-powered airplane makes first international flight. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 21:53, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
I'm okay with the idea. Just as well to avoid reliance on intersection of topics, which can involve some pretty slippery questions of topic-category semantics. --Pi zero (talk) 22:13, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
Have created; as we have some recent pieces on the subject, I've left it hidden for the time being. About to vanish into flood mode to populate it. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 22:55, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Creation of "British singer George Michael, 53, dies"[edit]

You contributed to "n:George Michael Dies." I created the other one with a lot of sources and a little more content. --George Ho (talk) 11:44, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

In fact, I didn't contribute to it, in the contentful sense. I added required formatting elements that had been omitted by the user who created it — seemingly, they had not used an article creation form, which would have provided the necessary elements automatically (though I notice that feature doesn't work on mobile view). --Pi zero (talk) 11:58, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Shouldn't articles be merged? Also, why are so many sources listed and used, for such a small article?
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 12:20, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
I am planning on expanding the article by using the sources available. --George Ho (talk) 12:26, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Export Easy Peer Review to others Wikinews[edit]

Hello, I would like to know if it is possible to export to others Wikinews the gadget Easy Peer Review, yes it is, that would have to be done? Regards. Alvaro Molina.png Alvaro Molina (Let's Talk) 01:27, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

@AlvaroMolina: Well, first of all, you should be aware the EPR gadget is aging; we expect wiki software upgrades may cause it to just stop working one of these days (it's been suggested, for example, this may happen early in the new year). I hope to replace it with an assistant using the wikidialog gadget, though the development for such assistants has been going slowly, so it may not be ready by the time the EPR gadget dies, leading to a bit of a scramble as I try to cobble something together in a hurry.

For the existing EPR gadget, the person you want to speak to is User:Bawolff, who created it years ago; he can offer a more technical assessment of that gadget. --Pi zero (talk) 01:41, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

@Pi zero: Thanks for the info. Regards. Alvaro Molina.png Alvaro Molina (Let's Talk) 02:01, 29 December 2016 (UTC)


I'm travelling in the morn, so have left a small collection of pieces to provide some near-guaranteed content (never say never, mind you; we can all make a balls of an article or three) in the likely event my time for WN will be limited. Come the 4th I should be able to pick up any other reviews that need doing. I can't promise, though, so if freshness is a concern feel free to make the call to jump to a later submission. I've aimed for stories that should have a few days of freshness in them. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 02:14, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Wikidialog in Others Wikinews[edit]

Hi, as I see you are the one who created the wikidialog templates, I would like to know if there are any instructions on all the pages that must be created to make it work in another Wikinews. I have done it on es.wikinews and it does not work, I have reviewed the MediaWiki:Common.css and MediaWiki:Common.js several times, however, I do not find anything missing. I hope you can help me. Regards. Alvaro Molina.png Alvaro Molina (Let's Talk) 06:50, 2 January 2017 (UTC) PD: Sorry if my English is not good.

Some thoughts:
  • There are tentative instructions at MediaWiki talk:Dialog/receive#Dialog installation. I tried to name everything there that has to be done. I made some improvements to those instructions from my experience in porting the tools to English Wikibooks, and added more categories to help keep track of pages that are needed. I know there is at least one thing that still doesn't work about the English Wikibooks port, and I have not yet had a chance to try to figure out why. Also, as of this morning there is a report of a javascript failure of some sort on English Wikibooks; I don't know whether or not that is related to the dialog tools. We've been warned for months that some things would break in the new year because support for them is being discontinued, although I was never given a clear answer as to what would break.
  • I hope I can take a look at what you've done at Spanish Wikinews later today (or, at least, soon); perhaps I can identify the problem. It could be something very simple; I designed the dialog tools to be very simple, after all. If any of the necessary elements is missing, the tools simply will not work.
  • I still make upgrades to the tools from time to time, and expect that will continue to be true into the foreseeable future. Recently upgrades have all been for the purpose of making it easier to port the tools to another project. I don't have a good way set up to keep track of these upgrades from another project, so that one knows when an upgrade should be ported over — perhaps sometime in the future it will be possible to do that using wikidialog, but that will require some upgrades to the tools.
  • All the names of templates, parameters, and such are in English. I'm not sure what one does about that; perhaps porting to another-language project will provide insights into it.
--Pi zero (talk) 14:04, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Hi again, indeed I believe them untranslated, since I would have put to translate the parameters, I would have delayed an eternity, besides, I want to be sure of itself Spanish Wikinews is compatible with all those improvements, since unlike you , They have a lot of improvements that they try to implement at the time there and they just will not work, being that you create all related pages and even copy some styles of MediaWiki:Common.css. Anyway, I hope I can help with something. Regards. Alvaro Molina.png Alvaro Molina (Let's Talk) 16:21, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Tyrus Wong, Bambi artist, dies at 106[edit]

The article is on the last day of freshness, and has lot of facts to be verified. RQ has four articles :/
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 09:05, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

There are five articles on the queue, two of yours and three of BRS's (who I take it won't be a round for a few days so left several things that have a bit of freshness room on them); a report of javascript breaking this morning on English Wikibooks; and a request for help with porting the dialog tools to Spanish Wikinews. I'll see what I can do. :-)  --Pi zero (talk) 14:20, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Btw, how do I edit the default editnotice message of the news articles?(Edit notice / page notice: [1] don't know what it is called on WN)
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 11:58, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

What to do next time?[edit]

Thanks for publishing the article At least 56 killed in Brazil prison riot. Your comments made me reflect what I should do next time before requesting review. Besides re-reading WN:style guide and double-checking, how else shall I do a better article than what I have written? --George Ho (talk) 02:24, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Well, those two things are a good start. I try deliberately to break my edits during review into small enough actions to provide a specific edit summary and a clear diff for each one, so that the edit history can be studied in detail. I also mentioned in my comments an aspect of background, providing perspective for the reader to understand the causes of the event; deciding which things to include is a refinement one can keep working on long after one has the basics down. --Pi zero (talk) 02:47, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

User:ULCM Corres[edit]

Doing some digging into this unblock request, I saw a comment from you there were two other accounts in use by this person. I found one, and it was disgraceful, earning this user an idef block. What was the other? BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 16:16, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Executive summary: I don't think there was ever proof of a third account, although there are a couple of variously suggestive anomalies.
  • If you mean this, on my first rereading today I though "second account" meant ULCM Corres was the first and ScruffMcGruff007 was the second. My declared rationale for blocking ULCM Corres made it legit for the individual to create an individual account; and if they could make a reasonable case that ULCM Corres didn't fall under WN:ROLE, that might justify unblocking it, subject to my concerns mentioned in the earlier remark; but one would not expect to do both unless one of the accounts were labeled as a doppelganger of the other.
  • There was that remark in the unblock request, "The blocking account is also highly suspect of retaliatory conduct in relationship to other sites, which is under current formal investigation to determine if this is in fact the case, at which point I will request that administrator privileges for the account be revoked", about which my strong instinct is to ask "WTF?"
  • ULCM Corres also made a remark here. That could be arguing about the treatment of somebody else's article, but raises the strong (though indecisive) suspicion it might have been the article author, who had made several unsuccessful submissions during June. There's nothing else I can see to connect JaydenPerry with the other two accounts, although ULCM Corres/ScruffMcGruff007 doesn't really strike me as the sort of person likely to raise a stink about someone else's article.
I'm reminded that SMcG007 did create one article that got published despite xem. --Pi zero (talk) 17:54, 6 January 2017 (UTC)


Nainapatel just created the account and spammed two pages. Nice coincidence that xambox is used on so many pages, but for the users' intentions, the edit needs to be checked. Well, why don't we change the permission of the page only for admins?<be>Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 12:11, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

That template was fully protected when it was created, and then later, thanks to a quirk of the wiki software, the protection was lost. Fixed. --Pi zero (talk) 13:05, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
A new one here and here by the user Steelthumbs who claims to be a noob.
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 14:30, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
Many novice mistakes with wiki markup consist of trying too hard. As I slowly move toward getting wikidialog-based assistance operational, I've been thinking deeply on how to provide tools that simultaneously help with doing things and with learning how to do them without help (a key modern challenge of all technology). --Pi zero (talk) 14:53, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Share your experience and feedback as a Wikimedian in this global survey[edit]

Most surveys (like torture) serve only to confirm what their perpetrators want to believe. --Pi zero (talk) 00:03, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

One of leads in the Main Page[edit]

Can you check Template:Lead article 5 please? Thank you. --George Ho (talk) 23:12, 18 January 2017 (UTC)


For reviewing three articles in the day to reach the landmark of seven articles published on January 18, 2017. Cheers!

I bet the bottleneck was on the editor's side. If there was one more article, you might have as well tackled that too. Nom nom nom!
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 10:26, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

I dunno about one more article; it was a pretty full day. But, thanks. :-)  --Pi zero (talk) 15:21, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Accidental Creations[edit]

Sorry for the latest creations, I'm importing some templates to the Spanish version and by accident I forget to change the "en" to "es" in the URL. Alvaro Molina.png Alvaro Molina (Let's Talk) 22:11, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

@AlvaroMolina: No problem. Btw, I haven't forgotten about porting wikidialog to es.wn; sorry I haven't gotten to it yet. --Pi zero (talk) 22:23, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
No problem and thank you Face-smile.svg Alvaro Molina.png Alvaro Molina (Let's Talk) 22:36, 19 January 2017 (UTC)


Due to something that came up rather suddenly, I now expect to be on the road tomorrow (driving about 400 miles, roughly an eight-hour trip), starting reasonably promptly in the morning; so it's likely I won't be in a position to do any review for 17 or more hours from now. It's possible I won't be up to reviewing then either, in which case I may miss reviewing tomorrow entirely, taking me through to sometime after 1200UTC on Sunday. --Pi zero (talk) 04:29, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

An edit to check at Template:Sisterprojects[edit]

I made an edit at Template:Sisterprojects. I changed the icon sizes, and I rearranged Wikipedia and Commons links. --George Ho (talk) 06:06, 21 January 2017 (UTC)