Category talk:Pacific Ocean

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April 2018[edit]

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The above is a proposed list and there are likely to be more candidates. Feel free to amend as appropriate. Cheers. Green Giant (talk) 14:10, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

I've been wondering about a Pacific category for years; I never figured out how it ought to relate to other categories, notably to Category:Oceania, which is one of our region categories (informally referred to as "continents"). A related task is to write a usage note for Category:Oceania clarifying what is and isn't included in it. Presumably, if we're to have a category for the Pacific, it should be in Category:Oceans. --Pi zero (talk) 14:27, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
I’ve added it to Category:Oceans. There is considerable overlap between the two in that much of Oceania is part of the Pacific and undoubtedly there will be many articles which fit into both categories. If we want more distinction, perhaps articles for the Pacific category should be specifically or significantly about the ocean itself, which is what I tried to keep in mind with the above list? For Oceania I'd suggest limiting it to the areas marked on the UN map used on the category page (File:Oceania UN Geoscheme Regions.svg). There might be questions about the borders but I think it pretty much encapsulates a common definition of Oceania. Green Giant (talk) 15:13, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
I agree about Oceania (did you independently find that same map?). A deeper question, though: when should news about a land mass within the Pacific be put into Category:Pacific Ocean? If we put everything about, say, New Zealand, the Philippines, and Hawaii into Category:Pacific Ocean, it becomes less of an "ocean" category than a "region" category, and as a region its overlap with Oceania seems more peculiar. Afaics, I treated Atlantic Ocean somewhat as a catch-all for stuff that didn't go anywhere else: things about the ocean as a whole, things about events in the open ocean, and some places that didn't belong to any regional category; but I didn't put the Caribbean in it, nor even the Gulf of Mexico (though one could make a case for that). Those are already tricky issues, and I suppose a usage note at Atlantic Ocean might be in order, if we can get clarity on what it ought to say. --Pi zero (talk) 15:34, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
No, I realised you’d changed the map after I’d posted here but didn’t think it was worth adding to my comment. However, it is better than the previous Oceania map. In terms of definitions, I agree it would be too much to include land-based articles that can be accommodated in more specific categories. The oceanic categories should be, as you say, for things that happen in, on, around or above the actual water e.g. the space debris that crashed into the ocean, the storms that form in the ocean, the people trying to cross the ocean, etc. Green Giant (talk) 15:49, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
I see that is what I did with Category:Atlantic Ocean, although there are also geocats put in it because they are physically in the Atlantic and not physically in any region, though they're politically associated with a country that belongs to a region. (That's Bermuda, belonging to the UK, and the Canary Islands, belonging to Spain.) I'm not sure off-hand why French Guiana is listed under Atlantic Ocean, though there may well be a good reason. We may want to rethink what is and isn't a subcat of an ocean cat. At any rate, not everything associated with those geocats is is the ocean cat; as you say. I feel I should give all this further attention later today. (There's new a list of such things, all of which presumably need to take a back seat to review on-wiki and various stuff off-line.) --Pi zero (talk) 16:24, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Btw I've added a usage note at Category:Atlantic Ocean and similarly expanded the usage note here. --Pi zero (talk) 21:38, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Did all but one of these. --Pi zero (talk) 02:28, 9 June 2018 (UTC)