Talk:All change for Nottingham, England trams as new operator announced

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OR notes[edit]

A number of users and enthusiasts were interviewed for their thoughts with regards to the changes stated within the article. The questions asked and the answers given to/from the two that I have used within the report are contained below, as follows:

  • Interviewed Andrew Blood, assistant editor of the Tramways Monthly e-magazine.
    • Q What are your thoughts on changes that the new consortium is bringing to the NET system?
    • A "I think it's a bad idea to phase out the conductors. Not only do they help with revenue protection, but they are also responsible for the high passenger satisfaction levels on the system. In short, they keep tram users feeling safe. It's no co-incidence that as one of only two tramways to use conductors it does the best year-on-year in terms of people being happy and satisfied. We should also remember that Sheffield, who originally operated without conductors, ended up phasing them in as they were losing too much cash!"
  • Interviewed Greg Smith, a resident of Hucknall, at the northern end of the line.
    • Q What are your thoughts on changes that the new consortium is bringing to the NET system?
    • A "The fact that the trams will be running more frequently is a massive bonus in my eyes. The service we get at my end of the line is great already, but if they are running more frequently it's just another advantage of the system over the bus. It's quick, it's easy, it's reliable and it's cheap enough. Hopefully this will remain true with the new ticketing arrangements, though I'm not sure that losing the conductors in favour of ticket machines is the way to go."

Both contributors were happy to have their quotes listed online within the article. The quotes were taken throughout the day on March 30th, largely from mid-day onwards when the plans became public knowledge.

Thanks, Goblin 03:00, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

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Healine doesn't make sense to me[edit]

All change for Nottingham trams? Could the headline be a little more descriptive? Plus many readers may have no idea what "Nottingham trams" means. Mattisse (talk) 17:23, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Trams, from Nottingham. I'm not sure how much more explicit it can be. — μ 17:25, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
"All change" is not specific. I agree the headline could be clearer. Tempodivalse [talk] 17:29, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
"All change" is a term used on British railways when a train terminates at the end of the line; this is what the headline is joking about. wackywace 17:36, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
Is wikinews supposed to attempt to be global, or is that not a value? Many people may have no idea where Nottingham is. I have seen other headlines changed on the basis that they contained the name of a town rather than naming the country - that it was too local a reference. And "tram" is common to the UK, yes? Other places too? Is it a word that would be understood by most readers who are not from the UK or whose first language is not English? Just asking. Plus you are saying that "All change" is an in group term? I guess you are saying that this article is purely local and aiming at Nottingham tram riders only? I must admit I couldn't wade my way through all the detail, so I haven't read it. Mattisse (talk) 17:45, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
"All change" is a nice pun, but I'm still concerned that it's unclear as it appears to be a local term. (I do not live in England, so I had no idea what the term meant until it was explained.) I did, however, try to add a more international location into the title. Is this more satisfactory? Tempodivalse [talk] 17:51, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
Nope, it now makes no sense at all. "All change Nottingham, England trams as new operator announced" - just listen to how that just, quite simply, doesn't work. Regarding the use of "all change" - what's not to understand? It's the base meanings of the word, there's nothing more to it. Yes, there's a pun in there, but it's not one that is exclusive in anyway - that wouldn't be appropriate for a site such as Wikinews. Oh, and regarding the use of tram, the only way to combat that is to use four different words in the title - "Tram", "Trolley", "Streetcar" and "Light rail vehicle" - all are interchangeable and globally there is no set word to use. Some are used more in other places than others, but it's impossible to pick one that works globally, so I went with the local one. Bearing in mind that this is my "specialist subject", if you like, and that I've been writing news articles on similar topics for 2+ years, I think I'm more qualified than all of you to say what the best phrasing is. Anyway - bottom line, the title right now does not make sense, and is incorrect grammatically speaking. Goblin
"All change" makes sense without knowing the rail reference; it can be taken here at face value - everything is changing. It should have said 'Nottingham, UK'. (Slightly off-topic: Yes, you're right, only the most well-known places should be left unqualified in headlines - Baghdad, Paris, London, New York etc are the sorts of places that get left.) I have no idea how well-known the term 'tram' is elsewhere - I always thought it was common, but evidently not. Both the user who wrote this and the user who published are from the UK (as am I) so it can unfortunately happen that what you think is an internationally used word/term is, in fact, local. I don't feel "all change" being inspecific is a valid complaint given that the headline does state there's a change in operator, but I can tell from this conversation that the term is confusing to our North Americans. The standard we aim to hit is for even local news to be perfectly understandable to a global audience - obviously, this headline didn't pan out that way. [I wrote this pre-move, but said it anyway] Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 17:59, 31 March 2011 (UTC)