Talk:Australian men, women win 2013 Asia-Oceania Wheelchair Basketball Championships

Interview with Maureen Orchard, President and Secretary General of the IWBF. Interviewed at the Thai-Japan Youth Center on 24 November 1315-1530. No recording. Below is a transcription of my hand-written notes. Permission given for these parts of the interview to be reported.

• World divided into four zones: Europe, Americas, Asia-Oceania and Africa. These correspond to the FIBA zones
• Next World championships will be held in 2019, not 2018. Tired of competing with FIFA.
• One place for each zone at the WC. Additional places earned by
• Everybody wants more places but IPC puts a cap on team sports
• Expanding WC to 16 for men and 12 for women but not at Paralympics
• Was recently in Angola for the Africa zone. Algeria won the spot over South Africa.
• Africa wants more spots. Will have to lift its game and earn them. The zone allocation guarantees Africa one spot.
• Moving to a system of home and away games similar to those of FIFA. This will allow teams to claim ongoing funding for their sport from their governments.
• The women's WC competition will in no way be inferior to the men's. The women will be put up in a five-star hotel, and will play at Toronto's
• Playing at the Maple Leaf which is apparently a sacred site to Canadians.
• Will be a lot of interest in the women, since Canada bombed out of the men's in a shock result.
• USA, Columbia, Mexico and Argentina will be the America Zone reps
• Argentina was once a big player in wheelchair basketball, but not for many years.
• Great Britain, Turkey, Spain, Sweden, Italy, Germany and the Netherlands are Europe's reps
• In the women: Netherlands, Germany, Great Britain, France USA, Brazil, Mexico and Peru. Plus three from Asia-Oceania
• Peru team very strapped financially.
• No apology for basketball being so popular
• In London, additional seats were added for the semifinals and more for the finals. Sold out online in minutes.
• Fighting proposals for equal airtime for all sports.
• People follow sports they are familiar with. They know the names of players they watch all the time.
• Enthusiastic about a 3-on-three version of the game. Officially, this will not count as a team sport.

Journalist Notes - AOZ Championships - 1

Journalist Notes - AOZ Championships - 2

Journalist Notes - AOZ Championships - 3

Journalist notes - AOZ Championships - 4

Journalist notes - AOZ Championships - 5

Journalist notes - AOZ Championships - 6. Mostly copied from the notice board outside No. 1 Gymnasium

Tournament groups

Source: Transcribed from the tournament program.

Group A

• Japan
• Iran
• China
• Malaysia
• Taipei

Group B

• Australia
• Korea
• Kuwait
• New Zealand
• Thailand

Women

• Australia
• Japan
• China
• Thailand

Australian team lists

Source: Transcribed from team lists supplied by the coaches.

Rollers Team

• 4 Justin Eveson
• 5 Bill Latham
• 6 Adam Deans
• 7 Shaun Norris
• 8 Michael Hartnett
• 9 Tristan Knowles
• 10 Jannik Blair
• 11 Luke Pople
• 12 Michael D’Amelio
• 13 Tom O’Neill-Thorne
• 14 Michael Auprince
• 15 Bradley Ness

Rollers Staff

• Ben Ettridge – Head Coach
• Craig Friday – Assistant Coach
• Luke Brennan – Technical Assistant
• Jesse Adams – Physiotherapist
• Leigh Gooding – Team Manager/National Program Manager

Gliders Team

• 4 Sarah Vinci
• 5 Cobi Crispin
• 6 Bridie Kean
• 7 Georgia Inglis
• 8 Caitlin de Wit
• 9 Leanne Del Toso
• 10 Clare Nott
• 11 Kylie Gauci
• 12 Shelley Chaplin
• 13 Sarah Stewart
• 14 Kathleen O’Kelly-Kennedy
• 15 Amber Merritt

Gliders Staff

• Tom Kyle – Coach
• David Gould – Assistant Coach
• Jane Kyle – Team Manager
• Anna De Araugo – Physiotherapist
• Joanna Vaile – Physiologist

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Revision 2182293 of this article has been reviewed by Pi zero (talk · contribs) and found not ready at 04:22, 25 November 2013 (UTC). Copyright: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Newsworthiness: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Verifiability: Not ready: See below. NPOV: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Style: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Comments by reviewer: Much more documentation of origins, please. You should be providing as much context as you can (seriously, it shouldn't be necessary for me to ask; you should have already provided a good deal more than necessary. For example, tell us about this interview; when and where did it take place, when you say "off the record" what do you mean (the term "off the record" properly means in reporting that the reporter agrees not to publish the information provided, so that had better not be what you mean), and in what form did you take notes? You have team lists, out of the blue, with no explanation of where they came from. Where did they come from? (I'm not clear on whether you used that info in the article, but really, there's no point in listing it on the talk page without sourcing it.) Questions about the above? Ask. If possible, please address the above issues then resubmit the article for another review (by replacing {{tasks}} in the article with {{review}}). This talk page will be updated with subsequent reviews.

Revision 2182293 of this article has been reviewed by Pi zero (talk · contribs) and found not ready at 04:22, 25 November 2013 (UTC). Copyright: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Newsworthiness: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Verifiability: Not ready: See below. NPOV: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Style: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Comments by reviewer: Much more documentation of origins, please. You should be providing as much context as you can (seriously, it shouldn't be necessary for me to ask; you should have already provided a good deal more than necessary. For example, tell us about this interview; when and where did it take place, when you say "off the record" what do you mean (the term "off the record" properly means in reporting that the reporter agrees not to publish the information provided, so that had better not be what you mean), and in what form did you take notes? You have team lists, out of the blue, with no explanation of where they came from. Where did they come from? (I'm not clear on whether you used that info in the article, but really, there's no point in listing it on the talk page without sourcing it.) Questions about the above? Ask. If possible, please address the above issues then resubmit the article for another review (by replacing {{tasks}} in the article with {{review}}). This talk page will be updated with subsequent reviews.

• Details provided of when and where the interview was conducted. Image taken at the same time.
• Sources added for the team lists and the schedule. Hawkeye7 (talk) 10:27, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Er. Where were sources added for the team lists and schedule? --Pi zero (talk) 12:00, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Under the major headings. It says: "Source: Transcribed from the tournament program" and "Source: Transcribed from team lists supplied by the coaches". Hawkeye7 (talk) 12:21, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Aha. --Pi zero (talk)

It just occurred to me that next time we'll be in the same time zone. You should join me. Hawkeye7 (talk) 12:57, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

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Revision 2187730 of this article has been reviewed by Pi zero (talk · contribs) and found not ready at 16:28, 26 November 2013 (UTC). Copyright: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Newsworthiness: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Verifiability: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. NPOV: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Style: Not ready: See below. Comments by reviewer: Please see WN:Pillars of Wikinews writing#style. There should be a focus, which is specific relevant and fresh, about which the headline states the most important and unique thing, the lede succinctly answers as many as reasonably possible of the basic questions, and the body provides details and background spinning outward from the focus. Here, the headline presents as focus the beginning of the games, but this does not appear to be mentioned anywhere else. the lede only says that Wikinews attended the games. Wikinews attending something isn't in itself a newsworthy event (fails on relevance). An interview with someone might be relevant, depending, but the article doesn't mention any such thing having happened. neither the lede nor even the article addresses basic question "when". the article content is essentially encyclopedic; it doesn't appear to have a news focus. I'm puzzled by the absence of a scan of the transcribed hand-written notes. It's perfectly okay to provide both a scan and a transcription, if the handwritten notes are hard to read. The reporter has provided scans of handwritten notes in the past; how did it happen that they weren't provided in this case? Questions about the above? Ask. If possible, please address the above issues then resubmit the article for another review (by replacing {{tasks}} in the article with {{review}}). This talk page will be updated with subsequent reviews.

Revision 2187730 of this article has been reviewed by Pi zero (talk · contribs) and found not ready at 16:28, 26 November 2013 (UTC). Copyright: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Newsworthiness: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Verifiability: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. NPOV: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Style: Not ready: See below. Comments by reviewer: Please see WN:Pillars of Wikinews writing#style. There should be a focus, which is specific relevant and fresh, about which the headline states the most important and unique thing, the lede succinctly answers as many as reasonably possible of the basic questions, and the body provides details and background spinning outward from the focus. Here, the headline presents as focus the beginning of the games, but this does not appear to be mentioned anywhere else. the lede only says that Wikinews attended the games. Wikinews attending something isn't in itself a newsworthy event (fails on relevance). An interview with someone might be relevant, depending, but the article doesn't mention any such thing having happened. neither the lede nor even the article addresses basic question "when". the article content is essentially encyclopedic; it doesn't appear to have a news focus. I'm puzzled by the absence of a scan of the transcribed hand-written notes. It's perfectly okay to provide both a scan and a transcription, if the handwritten notes are hard to read. The reporter has provided scans of handwritten notes in the past; how did it happen that they weren't provided in this case? Questions about the above? Ask. If possible, please address the above issues then resubmit the article for another review (by replacing {{tasks}} in the article with {{review}}). This talk page will be updated with subsequent reviews.

• Because I don't have a scanner here. So I've tried taking pics with the iPhone. Hawkeye7 (talk) 00:18, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

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firstly, I was also at the events for the training sessions and the opening. I've added more temporal information to the lede. (Source is the printed schedule, which I dont have handy, but other sources are confirming this also like this) Currently we have links to 'China' only on Wikipedia; if it is appropriate, I have created stubs for all of the teams that competed at this event; see w:Category:National wheelchair basketball teams. They are not very good articles, so maybe its not appropriate yet. John Vandenberg (talk) 06:56, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

"The competition has been expanded ..." - competition is ambiguous as it talks about the Paralympics and the World Championships. I assume that 'competition' refers to 'World Championships'? John Vandenberg (talk) 07:38, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

"In a shock result, these places went to the ..." - is that referring to mens, womens, or both? John Vandenberg (talk) 07:38, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

"the women's competition will in no way be inferior to the men's" - this comment is relevant because, I think, this is the first time that mens and womens World Championships have not been run together - but that isnt stated anywhere. John Vandenberg (talk) 07:38, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Whoops; the WC was also split in 1994, with men in Edmonton, Canada and women in Stoke Mandeville, Great Britain.

At the Zone level, the 2013 Euro championships for men and women were integrated, but the Americas zone splits the genders. This shows the Americas Zone has run men and womens in separate countries, albeit back to back with only a small gap between them. But, the website for the mens championship doesnt mention the womens competition, nor does their twitter feed. I havent found a website for the Americas Cup for Women. So, there is at least one other instance of separation, happening at the zone level, and it looks like the women suffered as a result. John Vandenberg (talk) 08:51, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

John and I have made made the date more explicit. The full printed schedule )with my penned-in results) is attached in the contributors' notes. Hawkeye7 (talk) 01:28, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

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Revision 2201357 of this article has been reviewed by Pi zero (talk · contribs) and has passed its review at 20:39, 1 December 2013 (UTC). Copyright: Passed Newsworthiness: Passed Verifiability: Passed NPOV: Passed Style: Passed Comments by reviewer: I had to pull quite a lot of material that I was unable to find; I had to decide between that and not-ready'ing the article, but past problems here didn't leave me sanguine about things going smoothly on the not-ready route. I'm also flummoxed by discrepancies between the "transcription" of the handwritten notes, and the handwritten notes themselves. These things should not happen, and I'm quite disconcerted to see them happening with a reporter who's been writing for Wikinews for, if I've not lost track, over a year. I suspect something has not yet clicked for the reporter — possibly something about the nature of review, but I'm really not sure; I'd like to help (both altruistically, and because this sort of thing is extremely hard on reviewers), but I'm unsure what sort of help to provide. The reviewed revision should automatically have been edited by removing {{Review}} and adding {{Publish}} at the bottom, and the edit sighted; if this did not happen, it may be done manually by a reviewer.