Talk:Austrian police find dozens dead inside lorry

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I had a look at the video hosted by Krone just before sending this for review, and I'm glad I did. After tracking a helicopter for a while the filmer realises the commotion centres around a lorry. Unlike the still photo, the video shows the name on the side: Hyza. Google led me to Hyza.sk, a Slovakian company. The logo matches so that's a positive ID. The website includes what appears to be an anti-immigration graphic. They have a (flash?) setup flicking between three panels. The graphic is on the middle one. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 12:34, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Here's a machine translation of the media contact's page for Hyza. I sent a message, copied to scoop. The important part of that was: "Can you confirm if you are in contact with Austrian police, and if that is indeed your lorry and driver that were involved? In addition any statement you may have on the matter would be greatly appreciated." BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 14:01, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

I received the following response:


Dear Mr. Macdonald,

Here is the statement:

We are truly sorry about tragedy that happened in Austria between villages Parndorf and Neusiedl am See. Our company neither any of our employees have nothing in common with this tragedy. All vehicles of HYZA Company are monitoring with GPS system and all of them are in Slovak republic.

This truck with Hungarian license plate used for criminal offense was eliminated as company property and sold out in 2014 together with 20 other trucks to seven different private companies in Slovak Republic. New owner did not remove the branding on the vehicle and sold it to Hungary to MASTERMOBILKER KFT company. Currently we actively cooperate with Slovak police.

We are very sorry for the tragedy and express our sincere condolences to the bereaved families.

Kind regards

Ing. Mikuláš Šranko Marketingový riaditeľ
BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 16:05, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Now forwarded to scoop. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 16:06, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
The trail goes cold after that. MasterMobilKer kft. are a used car dealership so it's likely the lorry was sold on yet again before winding up on the world's news. No sign of a website for the dealers, either. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 16:11, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Review of revision 3775906 [Passed][edit]

"apparent anti-immigration graphic"[edit]

It was just another campaign in the spirit "do not buy meat of unknown origin". I do not think it was intended to strengthen opposition to trespassing. It has just tried to (mis)use prevailing mood in the society, but the sole purpose was to persuade customers to buy local poultry.--Tchoř (talk) 20:20, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

That is, to put it mildly, very interesting. Do you have sourcing to back that up? (Is this possibly going to need some asistance translating Slovak sources?) BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 21:35, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Just remove the image and the text. It nothing to do with the article. The facts in german http://www.bild.de/news/ausland/fluechtling/firma-hyza-wirbt-mit-fluechtlingsgeschichte-42351866.bild.html --Paddy (talk) 22:08, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
When a vehicle branded for your company becomes a mass grave, and your website features a poor taste stowaways cartoon, that's relevant. The text is frankly even more interesting. Who bought that vehicle? Did they purposely choose one with non-suspicious markings for a legit company? BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 22:41, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
9_9. It's not about relevance, it's about getting facts right. It's about only (1)writing and (2)publishing things you got understood before. Especially its about not defaming people or even companies in horrible manner. It's about not writing "apparent anti-immigration graphic" if that is about immigration of chicken meat. --Itu (talk) 23:03, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Three people say it is false information. The truck does not even belong to the company any more. And they did not remove the ads as supposed. What is wrong with you wikinews people? --Paddy (talk) 23:31, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Improvements are possible; subtleties of the wording seem an appropriate focus for attention.
None of it is false. The graphic was on the website and later wasn't anymore. If the article had called the graphic anti-immigration, that would be unverified, but the article doesn't say that; it says the graphic has that appearance, which it does. And the availability of the actual image allows readers to pursue the matter for themselves. --Pi zero (talk) 23:51, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
In the U.S., "Buy American", "Made In America By And For Americans", and various graphics identifying a business as "Christian" are common. If this sort of patriotic/religious brand identification strategy is not usual in Europe, then the graphic in question might be considered something more ominous than simply over-enthusiastic patriotism. Not sure how to establish that with certainty. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 50.1.207.4 (talkcontribs) 17:32, 29 August 2015
Such things cannot be known with certainty; the best one can do is to provide facts, dispassionately, and allow readers to assess. The ad created an unfortunate appearance; the German press remarked on it too, and the ad was pulled and it looks as if that whole ad campaign has been dropped (see the follow-up article). --Pi zero (talk) 18:02, 29 August 2015 (UTC)