Talk:Curfew in Haryana as protesters demand reservation for Jat quota

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Revision 4197338 of this article has been reviewed by Pi zero (talk · contribs) and has passed its review at 21:29, 21 February 2016 (UTC). Copyright: Passed Newsworthiness: Passed Verifiability: Passed NPOV: Passed Style: Passed Comments by reviewer: Re the image. 'Fair use' isn't, afaik (ianal), a condition of copyright but rather what can be done despite copyright. Our fair use policy (thrashed out, so I understand, with the WMF's lawyers some time before I got here) does not apply to images copyrighted by competing news orgs; if the copyright is held by a competing news org, we can't claim fair use for it. Certainly the copyright holder can give us permission to use it, but we'd need ironclad proof of the permission. It's not at all obvious to me that the owner of that Instagram account is the photographer, casting further doubt on whether they hold the copyright. We've had problems in the past with images taken from social media sites where the account owner when asked said sure you can use it and later turned out not to hold the copyright at all. Here the account owner claims to be in Bihar and is actively writing about Malaysia. The reviewed revision should automatically have been edited by removing {{Review}} and adding {{Publish}} at the bottom, and the edit sighted; if this did not happen, it may be done manually by a reviewer.

Revision 4197338 of this article has been reviewed by Pi zero (talk · contribs) and has passed its review at 21:29, 21 February 2016 (UTC). Copyright: Passed Newsworthiness: Passed Verifiability: Passed NPOV: Passed Style: Passed Comments by reviewer: Re the image. 'Fair use' isn't, afaik (ianal), a condition of copyright but rather what can be done despite copyright. Our fair use policy (thrashed out, so I understand, with the WMF's lawyers some time before I got here) does not apply to images copyrighted by competing news orgs; if the copyright is held by a competing news org, we can't claim fair use for it. Certainly the copyright holder can give us permission to use it, but we'd need ironclad proof of the permission. It's not at all obvious to me that the owner of that Instagram account is the photographer, casting further doubt on whether they hold the copyright. We've had problems in the past with images taken from social media sites where the account owner when asked said sure you can use it and later turned out not to hold the copyright at all. Here the account owner claims to be in Bihar and is actively writing about Malaysia. The reviewed revision should automatically have been edited by removing {{Review}} and adding {{Publish}} at the bottom, and the edit sighted; if this did not happen, it may be done manually by a reviewer.

Well, the photo has geographic tag of Gurgaon (Haryana) which makes that the photo was uploaded when he was in Haryana. Just like on Instagram, I once mentioned that I live in my nearest city's name and then uploaded photos of Sikkim as I went for a tour. But yes, I once uploaded a photo of Garfield (the cat) on the birthday aniversary of the comic strip. Point noted.
14.139.242.195 (talk) 05:06, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

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I don't know much about the Jat nor why there'd be a quota on their labor. It'd be nice if the article included some backstory and opinions from both sides of the protest.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 108.0.243.62 (talk • contribs)

Adding opinions; that too on this topic will not maintain the neutral point of view. (If you are an Indian, you can understand how controversial it is). They want to be under other backward caste for quota, but the caste is relatively high on the caste's hierarchical scale. Moreover, you can add your opinions on the opinions page.
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 04:13, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

There also seems a fair point here, though. We can provide information about opinions on both sides — cf. WN:Attribute — and factual background. After all, a general reader isn't necessarily an Indian, and so might not understand, before reading our article, how controversial it is. --Pi zero (talk) 11:13, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

But User:Pi zero, maintaining NPOV in this case is really not easy. Also to add, hierarchically, the caste is...I should not really say, you remember when the article was submitted. The scene here was not good. And it is very close to my college. Connection to the Capital was blocked and we had issues here. Considering my situation, I prefer not to speak. Here, when journalist for Hindustan Times had 'sword-to-his-neck' when he was about to take the photo. A sensitive matter, and also, this time, I am very close to the place where event took place, and I think it would not be a good idea to say so.
And also to this event, Brian Mc added to the facebook post 'Some news from India'.
14.139.242.195 (talk) 14:47, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

An individual reporter can be aware of their own difficulty in covering a situation neutrally, of course, and choose to be conservative in their coverage. --Pi zero (talk) 16:24, 9 March 2016 (UTC)