Talk:Rafael Benítez out as Real Madrid appoints Zidane their new manager

Review of revision 4108885 [Not ready]

Revision 4108885 of this article has been reviewed by Pi zero (talk · contribs) and found not ready at 17:29, 5 January 2016 (UTC). Copyright: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Newsworthiness: Passed Verifiability: Not ready: See below. NPOV: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Style: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Comments by reviewer: I've failed to verify most of the second paragraph. I see from the sources that they did sack Ancelotti, though when or under what circumstances I didn't find. They hired Benitez for the 15-16 season. He'd got the Europa League with Chelsea. 4-0 defeat at Bernabeu. But that was all I verified, probably 1/4 to 1/3 of the paragraph; I couldn't save the paragraph within my purview as independent reviewer, and the paragraph is too functionally important in the article to do without. Questions about the above? Ask. If possible, please address the above issues then resubmit the article for another review (by replacing {{tasks}} in the article with {{review}}). This talk page will be updated with subsequent reviews.

Revision 4108885 of this article has been reviewed by Pi zero (talk · contribs) and found not ready at 17:29, 5 January 2016 (UTC). Copyright: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Newsworthiness: Passed Verifiability: Not ready: See below. NPOV: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Style: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Comments by reviewer: I've failed to verify most of the second paragraph. I see from the sources that they did sack Ancelotti, though when or under what circumstances I didn't find. They hired Benitez for the 15-16 season. He'd got the Europa League with Chelsea. 4-0 defeat at Bernabeu. But that was all I verified, probably 1/4 to 1/3 of the paragraph; I couldn't save the paragraph within my purview as independent reviewer, and the paragraph is too functionally important in the article to do without. Questions about the above? Ask. If possible, please address the above issues then resubmit the article for another review (by replacing {{tasks}} in the article with {{review}}). This talk page will be updated with subsequent reviews.

Review of revision 4109112 [Not ready]

Revision 4109112 of this article has been reviewed by Pi zero (talk · contribs) and found not ready at 18:57, 5 January 2016 (UTC). Copyright: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Newsworthiness: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Verifiability: Not ready: See below. NPOV: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Style: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Comments by reviewer: Maybe half of the unverified material from the second paragraph has now been verified, but there's a lot I haven't been able to find. I again considered whether I could simply cut the unverified material and publish, but it still really leaves a gaping hole. Since my comments last time didn't work out so well (I tried simply listing the only things in the paragraph that I had verified), I'll try to be more explicit. First, here is what the paragraph lookslike with all the verified material shaded: Real Madrid, who went trophy-less, last season sacked Italian Carlo Ancelotti and hired former Liverpool manager Benítez for the season 2015–2016. Rafa had previously won the UEFA Champions League with Liverpool F.C. back in 2005, UEFA Super Cup with Valencia C.F. and UEFA Europa League with London-based club Chelsea F.C. But Benítez with Real Madrid had a win percentage of 68%. With a 4–0 defeat in the El Clásico at Santiago Bernabéu Stadium and a shocking exit from 2015–16 Copa del Rey for including Russian Denis Cheryshev in the squad who was ineligible to play, Benítez was heavily critised. The things still unverified: Real was trophyless last season, and Ancelotti's sacking followed that. Benitez won the UEFA Champions League with Liverpool F.C. back in 2005, UEFA Super Cup with Valencia C.F. Benitez was heavily critized (and the question that springs to mind is, critized by whom?). Questions about the above? Ask. If possible, please address the above issues then resubmit the article for another review (by replacing {{tasks}} in the article with {{review}}). This talk page will be updated with subsequent reviews.

Revision 4109112 of this article has been reviewed by Pi zero (talk · contribs) and found not ready at 18:57, 5 January 2016 (UTC). Copyright: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Newsworthiness: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Verifiability: Not ready: See below. NPOV: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Style: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Comments by reviewer: Maybe half of the unverified material from the second paragraph has now been verified, but there's a lot I haven't been able to find. I again considered whether I could simply cut the unverified material and publish, but it still really leaves a gaping hole. Since my comments last time didn't work out so well (I tried simply listing the only things in the paragraph that I had verified), I'll try to be more explicit. First, here is what the paragraph lookslike with all the verified material shaded: Real Madrid, who went trophy-less, last season sacked Italian Carlo Ancelotti and hired former Liverpool manager Benítez for the season 2015–2016. Rafa had previously won the UEFA Champions League with Liverpool F.C. back in 2005, UEFA Super Cup with Valencia C.F. and UEFA Europa League with London-based club Chelsea F.C. But Benítez with Real Madrid had a win percentage of 68%. With a 4–0 defeat in the El Clásico at Santiago Bernabéu Stadium and a shocking exit from 2015–16 Copa del Rey for including Russian Denis Cheryshev in the squad who was ineligible to play, Benítez was heavily critised. The things still unverified: Real was trophyless last season, and Ancelotti's sacking followed that. Benitez won the UEFA Champions League with Liverpool F.C. back in 2005, UEFA Super Cup with Valencia C.F. Benitez was heavily critized (and the question that springs to mind is, critized by whom?). Questions about the above? Ask. If possible, please address the above issues then resubmit the article for another review (by replacing {{tasks}} in the article with {{review}}). This talk page will be updated with subsequent reviews.

A general observation. Review is a lot more difficult if some things in the article aren't verifiable from the sources. It's harder, and more stressful, to determine that something isn't in the sources than to determine that it is. --Pi zero (talk) 19:01, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

@Pi zero:

• As per the BBC source Having won the Champions League at Anfield and the Uefa Cup with Valencia, he won the Coppa Italia in his first season at Napoli, but things soured in his second and final campaign
  Anfield is the name of the ground of Liverpool, which he was the manager. That is verifiable.
• Under the "Analysis" section of BBC again,The first major criticism of Benitez came following a 1-1 draw with local rivals Atletico Madrid in October.

"But that was nothing compared to the avalanche of abuse endured by Benitez after Barcelona's sensational 4-0 Clasico victory in November.

"That game concluded with loud chants for the former Liverpool manager's dismissal ringing around the Bernabeu after his team were utterly outclassed by their rivals.

"Benitez survived that trauma, but he never really recovered. From that moment, his departure was just a matter of time.

"Every home game since the defeat by Barca was preceded by loud jeers whenever Benitez's name was announced with the team line-ups."
That helps?
14.139.242.195 (talk) 04:00, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Further, FC Barcelona won the treble, and Real Madrid is in the same country. All the articles of Barcelona winning is there on Wikinews. Still we can't verify it? If still we require, here it is the source, I have commented it in the sources section.

• Alex Baker. "The moment where it all went wrong for Real Madrid in its trophy-less season" — yahoo Sports, may 22, 2015
  14.139.242.195 (talk) 04:07, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

There's helpful information here; thanks. I can also see, from how things here are phrased and how much detail is presented on which points, that I need to write some in-depth remarks clarifying what is wanted to help a reviewer and why; I mean to get this review out of the way before tackling those remarks, though, as they'll likely be tricky to compose. --Pi zero (talk) 11:52, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Review of revision 4110733 [Passed]

Revision 4110733 of this article has been reviewed by Pi zero (talk · contribs) and has passed its review at 12:20, 6 January 2016 (UTC). Copyright: Passed Newsworthiness: Passed Verifiability: Passed NPOV: Passed Style: Passed Comments by reviewer: None added. The reviewed revision should automatically have been edited by removing {{Review}} and adding {{Publish}} at the bottom, and the edit sighted; if this did not happen, it may be done manually by a reviewer.

Revision 4110733 of this article has been reviewed by Pi zero (talk · contribs) and has passed its review at 12:20, 6 January 2016 (UTC). Copyright: Passed Newsworthiness: Passed Verifiability: Passed NPOV: Passed Style: Passed Comments by reviewer: None added. The reviewed revision should automatically have been edited by removing {{Review}} and adding {{Publish}} at the bottom, and the edit sighted; if this did not happen, it may be done manually by a reviewer.