Talk:Western Stars win Women's National Wheelchair Basketball League championship in a thriller

Games played at Sydney University Sports and Aquatic Centre

Corner Coddington Street and Darlington Road

In brand new basketball arena recently opened

(light v. dark in each case)

Grand Final

Sunday 8 September 1200

Stacks Goudcamp Bears v Western Stars

Final score: 40-43

Comment: Relentless defence by both sides. Amber Merritt and Kylie Gauci in a duel. Merritt succeeded in shutting Gauci down. Gauci nearly took Merritt out with a bone crunching fall sideways that crowd feared meant she'd done her shoulder. But Amber came back more determined than ever. Stars down by 9 points at three quarter time but fought their way back into it, eventually taking the lead. Georgia Inglis played really well. Took one near-impossible shot to just beat the shot clock. Gauci fouled out in the last minutes. Amber used the free throw to put the Stars three points up. Amimoto to tie the game with a three pointer, but missed. Amber lost it, burst into tears and hugged Mandy.

Bronze Medal Game

Sunday 8 September 1000

Victoria v. Sydney Uni Flames

Final score: 59-42

Comment: More like the old Victoria. Del Toso, Shelly Chaplin, Alice Hammond and Melanie Domaschenz all really good. Defence could not keep Sarah Stewart down, scored 34 points and 15 rebounds

Preliminary Final

Saturday 7 September 1900

Victoria v. Western Stars

Final score: 32-48

Comments: Stars defence good. Forced turnovers. Victoria unable to catch up. Merritt not as active as on Friday night, but still scored 25 points. Afterwards put a bag of ice on her right arm.

Qualifying Final

Friday 6 September 1800

Victoria v. Stacks Goudcamp Bears

Final score: 40-62

Comment: Victoria had no answer to Amimoto and Gauci, and was sloppy, with unforced errors and turnovers. Shelley Chaplin fouled off.

Elimination Final

Friday 6 September 1800

Western Stars v. Sydney Uni Flames

Final score: 66-34

Comment: Stars gave flames a total shellacking. Amber ran riot. Rest of team really fired up. Stars defence shut down Sarah Stewart, forced Flames to rely on Katie Hill.

Presentations

• Last season run by Disabilty Sports Australia. Next season is by Basketball Australia
• 1 point MVP: Clare Nott (Western Stars)
• 2 point MVP: Kylie Gauci (Stacks Goudkamp Bears)
• 3 point MVP: Sarah Stewart (Sydney Uni Flames)
• 4 point MVP: Amber Merritt (Be Active Western Stars)
• These form the All Star Five with Cobi Crispin (Victoria)

(Tony Naar say Cobi is at University of Alabama)

• Best New Talent: Ellie Cole (Victoria)
• Leading Scorer: Amber Merritt (Western Stars)
• Finals MVP: Mari Amimoto (Stacks Goudkamp Bears)
• Overall MVP: Kylie Gauci (Stacks Goudkamp Bears)

• Liesl Tesch gave a presentation to Lisa Edmonds who has been playing for 24 years! Lisa was part of the original Australian Women's basketball team back in 1989, and played in the 1992, 1996 and 2000 Paralympics.

Miscellanea

• Amber Merrit showed me her scar. Looks more like a deep scratch along the right forearm. Told me that she had torn the muscle away from the bone. Plate removed.
• Asked Ellie Cole if the award meant she was a basketball star. "Not yet." Says she isn't ready to give up

Team lists

Victoria: Melanie Domaschenz (4), Leanne Del Toso (9), Alice Hammond (10), Shelley Chaplin (12), Ellie Cole (13), Lynne Panayiotis Stacks Goudcamp Bears: Mari Amimoto (5), Kathleen O'Kelly-Kennedy (6), Liesl Tesch (7), Louise Sauvage (8), Melissa Collins (10), Kylie Gauci (11), Lisa Edmonds (13), Anthea Castelli (14) Sydney Uni Flames: Kristy Finlayson (40, Katie Hill (5), Caitlin De Wit (6), Jessica Cronje (9), Hannah Dodd (10), Jessica Pellow (11), Fiona Johnstone (12), Sarah Stewart (13), Rachel Xoady (14), Stephanie van Leeuwen (15), Catherine Nelson (21) Western Stars: Sarah Vinci (6), Mandy Bonavita (7), Clare Nott (10), Georgia Inglis (12), Amanda Nott (13), Amber Merritt (14), Natalie Alexander (15)

Review of revision 1982401 [Not ready]

Revision 1982401 of this article has been reviewed by Pi zero (talk · contribs) and found not ready at 02:12, 10 September 2013 (UTC). Copyright: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Newsworthiness: Not ready: Not established. See below. Verifiability: Not ready: See below. NPOV: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Style: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Comments by reviewer: When is one of the basic questions. Yet I don't see it mentioned here at all, and without that, there is no freshness (hence listing it under "newsworthiness" rather than merely "style"). In fact, I don't even see it in the reporter's notes, let alone the article, let alone the lede. The notes are a bunch of assertions; there's no explanation for where those assertions came from. Did the reporter attend all these games? Some of them? Are these notes then compressions of handwritten notes from attending them? Or what? See detailed history of edits during review. Questions about the above? Ask. If possible, please address the above issues then resubmit the article for another review (by replacing {{tasks}} in the article with {{review}}). This talk page will be updated with subsequent reviews.

Revision 1982401 of this article has been reviewed by Pi zero (talk · contribs) and found not ready at 02:12, 10 September 2013 (UTC). Copyright: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Newsworthiness: Not ready: Not established. See below. Verifiability: Not ready: See below. NPOV: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Style: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Comments by reviewer: When is one of the basic questions. Yet I don't see it mentioned here at all, and without that, there is no freshness (hence listing it under "newsworthiness" rather than merely "style"). In fact, I don't even see it in the reporter's notes, let alone the article, let alone the lede. The notes are a bunch of assertions; there's no explanation for where those assertions came from. Did the reporter attend all these games? Some of them? Are these notes then compressions of handwritten notes from attending them? Or what? See detailed history of edits during review. Questions about the above? Ask. If possible, please address the above issues then resubmit the article for another review (by replacing {{tasks}} in the article with {{review}}). This talk page will be updated with subsequent reviews.

• I don't understand this at all. The article starts with the date, and notes above give times and dates for each game. Yes, I attended all of the games. Yes, this is a transcription of my handwritten notes (with the team lists from the program). No access to scoop. Added a bit saying that I attended per this although This and this indicate that this is not normal on Wikinews. Hawkeye7 (talk) 11:50, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

The date at the start will be the date published, against which the article is anchored, so it doesn't say anything in itself about the when. A reviewer can happily add that from sources but from pure OR that's impossible where not provided. Of the articles linked, the first clearly says "today" in the lede while the notes confirm the author was there: "Arrived at Dolphin Oval Sunshine Beach at 1205". The second is non-OR so no quibbles on notes but I agree the lede should have contained a When for the focal event, which is a mistake. OR notes are effectively the source for the article; so, the article can't be the source for the notes no matter how apparent it seems because we direct the public there for sourcing details via {{original}}. In short; yes, it's a PITA, but that's OR for you. Without dates for the most recent matches it would be a tough call for a reviewer to insert a date and, tempting though it must be, they can't tamper at all with OR notes.

This seems fixed now. Will try and take a look. Blood Red Sandman ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 12:05, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

The date at the top of the article becomes the date of publication, and is not part of the article. It's meta-information about the article, and doesn't even indicate when the article was submitted unless it happens to be published on the same day submitted (and many articles are submitted, even by veteran Wikinewsies, the day after their focal event happened, sometimes even two days after). --Pi zero (talk) 12:14, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Oh. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Hawkeye7 (talk) 13:00, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Review of revision 1982579 [Passed]

Revision 1982579 of this article has been reviewed by Blood Red Sandman (talk · contribs) and has passed its review at 12:33, 10 September 2013 (UTC). Copyright: Passed Newsworthiness: Passed Verifiability: Passed NPOV: Passed Style: Passed Comments by reviewer: I really hope all the numbers are correct. I think they are; there's so many to check. As is my habit, I'll go through any judgements made in review: Ideally, the title should specify year (for uniqueness) and place but it's already long. I've decided not to touch it. A really zealous interpretation of NPOV (and we are pretty strict) would see the culling of 'thriller', 'bone-crunching', 'relentless'. I wanted to keep them because they make for a much more interesting article. I'm of the view they are fairly apparent from the indisputable facts that surround them and just from the very nature of sport. Some fairly trivial assumptions made on the notes; assumed the stuff about Disabilty Sports Australia/Basketball Australia and about Lisa Edmonds's achievements was announced to the crowd and that's where it came from, that "Japanese import" falls into the realm of 'common knowledge' to anyone who follows the sport and thus we can just take the reporter's unattributed word (but I would struggle to object if another reviewer removed it as it isn't supported by the notes) It really hurts to pull the Ellie Cole bit but her swimming medals aren't in the notes and the whole thing makes little sense without. I do hope this can be reinserted with some sourcing for those medals because it was frankly my fav part of the whole article. I just didn't want to hold up publishing any further by failing on this one thing when everything else passes. These review comments are wayyyyy long, but most of what's in them is fairly trivial. It's just my style to go through judgement calls I make and sports and OR are two areas where making these is commonplace. This is, nonetheless, an excellent piece of reporting. The reviewed revision should automatically have been edited by removing {{Review}} and adding {{Publish}} at the bottom, and the edit sighted; if this did not happen, it may be done manually by a reviewer.

Revision 1982579 of this article has been reviewed by Blood Red Sandman (talk · contribs) and has passed its review at 12:33, 10 September 2013 (UTC). Copyright: Passed Newsworthiness: Passed Verifiability: Passed NPOV: Passed Style: Passed Comments by reviewer: I really hope all the numbers are correct. I think they are; there's so many to check. As is my habit, I'll go through any judgements made in review: Ideally, the title should specify year (for uniqueness) and place but it's already long. I've decided not to touch it. A really zealous interpretation of NPOV (and we are pretty strict) would see the culling of 'thriller', 'bone-crunching', 'relentless'. I wanted to keep them because they make for a much more interesting article. I'm of the view they are fairly apparent from the indisputable facts that surround them and just from the very nature of sport. Some fairly trivial assumptions made on the notes; assumed the stuff about Disabilty Sports Australia/Basketball Australia and about Lisa Edmonds's achievements was announced to the crowd and that's where it came from, that "Japanese import" falls into the realm of 'common knowledge' to anyone who follows the sport and thus we can just take the reporter's unattributed word (but I would struggle to object if another reviewer removed it as it isn't supported by the notes) It really hurts to pull the Ellie Cole bit but her swimming medals aren't in the notes and the whole thing makes little sense without. I do hope this can be reinserted with some sourcing for those medals because it was frankly my fav part of the whole article. I just didn't want to hold up publishing any further by failing on this one thing when everything else passes. These review comments are wayyyyy long, but most of what's in them is fairly trivial. It's just my style to go through judgement calls I make and sports and OR are two areas where making these is commonplace. This is, nonetheless, an excellent piece of reporting. The reviewed revision should automatically have been edited by removing {{Review}} and adding {{Publish}} at the bottom, and the edit sighted; if this did not happen, it may be done manually by a reviewer.

Yes, the awards were announced to the crowd. Liesl Tesch gave a short speech about Lisa Edmonds. Ellie's medals were mentioned by the announcer but I forgot to write it in my notes. :( Trivial to source though, from say here. Hawkeye7 (talk) 13:05, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Colorful descriptive words can be okay, I think, depending on their nature. It admittedly can require some thought to distinguish when it's simply description and when it's making a subjective judgement that we don't want. There's a difference between, say, bone-crunching and soul-crushing; the former is colorful description of something that can be objectively seen. --Pi zero (talk) 13:21, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes to descriptors; they are, really, the lifeblood of sports reporting. They're always going to skate the edge of acceptability, of course, but that's not automatically a bad thing. As for Ellie Cole, I'm restoring per the above; ideally, the notes would specifically say the question/answer was about dropping basketball in favour of swimming but I think it's fairly self-evident from the surrounding info. Blood Red Sandman ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 13:35, 10 September 2013 (UTC)