Template talk:Translated Wikinews

Links, images

Why do you want to link to the language?--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 12:38, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Should we add an image, such as Image:WikiNews-Logo.svg?--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 01:15, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Well perhaps something more along the lines of Image:Wikinews Developing.png. I'd say no, unless we have a specific logo which represents translation. Bawolff ☺☻ 01:23, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 01:50, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Broken?

Amgime, Your 'testing' has broken linked articles. Can you test in a sandbox? --InfantGorilla (talk) 19:47, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Usage

I am missing an explanation how to use this template. Could you add it?--Juandev (talk) 20:17, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Getlang

The image mouseover had a call to template getlang, which does not and never has existed here. From edit descriptions, it seems to have gotten inadvertently introduced from the corresponding template at Spanish Wikinews in 2010. I've replaced that code with something else that behaves plausibly. --Pi zero (talk) 18:13, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Edit request

{{Editprotected}}

As part of the project to upgrade the copyright license used by en.wn, pages that mention the specific license version will need to be updated. To make the process easier in the future, we are trying to consolidate the places where we mention the specific version used. We are doing this in part by using {{Current CC Version}}, as discussed here.

Below is the edit we need:

The change we are implementing now involves replacing any occurrences of the following text:

[http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/ Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 license]

..with {{Current CC Version}}, which will transclude our current version.

The template currently renders the following; Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License. Therefore this change can be implemented now.

Once we are ready to do the license upgrade, we can then change the text in that template to reflect the current version and that will in-turn update all pages that include {{Current CC Version}}.

In addition to this page, we have a list of edit-protected pages that need to be changed. It can be found here: Wikinews_talk:Copyright#Pages_to_update_when_license_is_updated_from_2.5_to_4.0

You can see the full discussion about the upgrade here: Wikinews:Water_cooler/policy#Conclusion_and_implementation_of_upgrade_to_cc-by-4.0

We would like to have these changes in place before August 1, which is our tentative cut-over date.

Thanks in advance!

—Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Published) 14:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Done Gryllida (talk) 09:44, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. The changes need to be sighted. I can't, unfortunately. —Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Published) 14:28, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

@Bddpaux @RockerballAustralia @George Ho please sight the edit at your earliest convenience. Gryllida (talk) 22:49, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Nvm, I already sighted it just now, as it was editprotected anyway. Gryllida (talk) 22:51, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Edit request

{{editprotected}}

I apologize for the confusion. It was decided after I made the previous edit request that this template should not reference a specific CC license, as it could be applied to articles of any number of different CC versions in use by the original article. (Aside; I also misread the template. It is not written to state the CC license of the translated article, but the original, non-English article.)

Therefore we should remove the following from the template:

, published under the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 License

So that it reads simply:

This is a complete or partial translation of the article <title>, from the <language> language Wikinews.

Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Published) 15:29, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Done Leaderboard (talk) 16:06, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

@Leaderboard @Michael.C.Wright @MGA73 Hello,

I am concerned about the removal of the explicit Creative Commons license mention from the template. CC licenses require not only proper attribution but also a link to the applicable license. Omitting this link risks non-compliance with the license terms and could create confusion about the terms of reuse.

On the French Wikinews, we updated the equivalent template to include a default license mention (CC BY 2.5 for now) while allowing flexibility for other licenses through optional parameters (for exemple 4.0=yes). This ensures compliance with CC requirements while maintaining adaptability. I believe a similar approach could be implemented here to balance flexibility with proper attribution and transparency.

Thank you for considering this! SleaY (talk) 18:28, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Sounds easy enough. Or simply make a new template so there are one for 2.5 and one for 4.0? According to Category:Translated news there are 268 articles so a bot should be able to change that to "Translated Wikinews 2.5" in a few minutes. --MGA73 (talk) 18:38, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

@MGA73 Of course! If all wikinews langages eventually transition to 4.0, having the default template display the 4.0 license without requiring users to input a parameter makes perfect sense. However, until the transition is complete, there might still be value in having a single flexible template that can handle both 2.5 and 4.0. SleaY (talk) 18:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

I have added a third parameter to the template to define the CC license. It currently defaults to CC-BY-2.5. Once all other languages upgrade, we can upgrade the default but leave the ability to change it, making it forward and backward compatible.

You can see and test the third parameter in Template:Translated Wikinews/sandbox. You can test it using the following syntax (test with and without defining the license parameter):

{{Translated Wikinews/sandbox
| language = German
| wiki = de
| title = Airplane crash in South Korea: 179 of 181 passengers dead
| license=[https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ CC-BY-4.0]
}}

If this is an acceptable approach, I will request an admin update the live template and then once the template is changed, I will update the documentation. —Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Published) 17:24, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

The French template is made so you can add "4.0" instead of the full link "https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ CC-BY-4.0]". I think both ways work and if English Wikinews does not translate articles very often then it does not really matter which version is used. The important is that it states 2.5 on all the existing articles. --MGA73 (talk) 08:49, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Can you provide a link to the French version? I'll take a look at how it's done there. Thanks. —Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Published) 15:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Sure. The link to the equivalent template above :) --MGA73 (talk) 16:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

┌───────────────────────┘
@SleaY, MGA73, Leaderboard: I’ve been thinking about this and don’t think it’s necessary to include the CC license of the translated article in the template, as it’s already present in the article footer, just like all other published articles. Furthermore, the original wording of the template described the CC license of the original article, but the original article should also include its CC license in its footer. Including this information in the template feels redundant and introduces potential for errors. Am I missing something, or do others agree that the translation template should simply indicate it’s a translation, without mentioning the CC license?—Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Published) 17:16, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

If the translated article is an older article licensed CC-BY-2.5 then there should be a {{Archived-cc-2.5}} and then there will be a link. If it is an article originally licensed CC-BY-4.0 then the footer will say CC-BY-4.0 and then the link will be there. If it is a new article from Wikinews that still uses CC-BY-2.5 then the license in the footer will say 4.0 where you could argue that there should be an information about 2.5 instead. So I guess it would be very few articles (if any) where there will be a problem. --MGA73 (talk) 17:41, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

@Michael.C.Wright @MGA73 I believe this suggestion may stem from a misunderstanding of how copyright and Creative Commons (CC) licenses apply to translations. While I understand the concern about redundancy, including the license in the translation template serves a specific purpose: compliance with Creative Commons (CC) requirements and clarity about the terms under which the translation is shared.

CC licenses require that users always have clear access to the applicable license terms, including a direct link to the license. Even though the license might already appear in the article footer, explicitly stating it in the translation template ensures users understand the terms of the translation itself, which is technically a derivative work.

This avoids any confusion about the licensing of the translation and maintains transparency for end-users. SleaY (talk) 22:55, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Also, with a well-designed template, I believe the risk of errors is minimal, particularly when defaults (like CC BY 4.0) are implemented. I see no compelling reason to avoid doing it correctly and ensuring compliance with CC requirements. SleaY (talk) 23:06, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

MGA73 makes a good point: If it is a new article from Wikinews that still uses CC-BY-2.5 then the license in the footer will say 4.0 where you could argue that there should be an information about 2.5 instead. To address this, I propose updating {{Translated Wikinews}} so it mentions a license version only if it is pre-4.0 and, if possible, only while the article is published but not archived. The footer already identifies the article as a derivative work (translation) and includes a link to the license terms.

Additionally, since the footer applies to all articles, including the CC license version in {{Translated Wikinews}} for a translated article with a pre-4.0 license results in three mentions of CC versions: one in the footer, one in {{Archived-cc-2.5}}, and one in {{Translated Wikinews}}.

Given that {{Archived-cc-2.5}} already covers the older license version with a link to the terms, mentioning a pre-4.0 license in {{Translated Wikinews}} is only necessary before the article is archived. I will explore updating {{Translated Wikinews}} to adjust its text if it detects {{Archived-cc-2.5}} in the article. —Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Published) 16:06, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Unless we are sure that it is not a problem to leave out the link would it not be easier just to include "that was licensed CC-BY-x.x"? Even if it may be redundant it will not take up much space. --MGA73 (talk) 16:10, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

I don't understand what you mean by leaving out the link. If we mention the license, we must link to the terms somewhere.

I have updated Template:Translated Wikinews/sandbox so that we can now define the CC version number using cc-ver = and set it so that if it is version 4.0 or is not defined, no license version is mentioned by the template, as it is already mentioned in the footer. Otherwise, we have the option of version 2.5 and 3.0. I added 3.0 just in case. I've also updated the documentation for the sandboxed version, which can be used if-and-when we update the template. —Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Published) 17:38, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

I should also clarify that I don't see a way to determine if the article is archived or contains template:Archived-cc-2.5. Therefore all archived translations pre-4.0 will have three mentions of a CC license and the footer will be different from the other two.

Also, if we go this route (using cc-ver, we will have to request that a bot with admin privs again be used to update all previous uses of {{Translated Wikinews}} to incorporate cc-ver = 2.5. Given the original template mentioned only 2.5, I assume all previous uses of the template were 2.5 and it wasn't applied to any other CC versions. —Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Published) 17:58, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

By leaving out the link I mean it would not make much difference to the size of the template if we write "This is a complete or partial translation of the article <title>, from the <language> language Wikinews." or "This is a complete or partial translation of the article <title>, from the <language> language Wikinews. License: CC-BY-2.5" If we do not want to edit old articles we can make it show 2.5 unless 4.0 is chosen. But I do not think it will be a problem to get Leaderbord to fix the old articles. --MGA73 (talk) 08:59, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

┌──────────────────────────┘
{{editprotected}} Per the discussion above, please copy Template:Translated_Wikinews/sandbox to Template:Translated_Wikinews to incorporate cc-ver. Once this is done, I can update the documentation. Thank you in advance. —Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Reviewer) 16:16, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

There is a module meta:Module:Mw lang, by using which we can eliminate the need for the "wiki" parameter. Example: {{mw lang|german}} will return the code "de". Asked42 (talk) 17:10, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Interesting. Do we need to copy that locally, or can it be used across wiki projects somehow? I'm done with the sandbox if you'd like to give it a go.

I also noticed the template transcludes the documentation in a non-standard way. I've updated the sandbox to use {{Documentation}} as normal. So if we update it to use {{mw}} we'll also update the documentation use and format. 👍 —Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Reviewer) 15:25, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Done Leaderboard (talk) 05:39, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Reviewer) 15:25, 18 January 2025 (UTC)