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Your user talk page has never been deleted, and the only edits that have significantly reduced its size have been edits by you.

Pi zero (talk)17:54, 24 April 2013

You should have engaged me on this topic on my talk page, not here.

That is not true, and I can prove it. I made snapshots of both my user page and my talk page immediately after making changes, so I have a complete record of the changes that actually occurred. During the interval in question, I also took snapshots of the revision history page. I have several of those snapshots that show a revision history that lists ONLY the creation of the page, which is contradicted by the other snapshots.

I am a newbie to this system. I think that someone who has admin privileges, who is hostile to me for expressing the viewpoints that I embrace, and who is willing to abuse his or her admin privileges intentionally vandalized my talk page.

During one of the vandalisms, all of the posts from Laura Hale and you and everyone else was deleted with no trace on the revision history page. I had snapshotted them, so I manually restored the conversations. When I checked the next morning, the page had been reverted to another incarnation that I had created in response to a prior vandalism. This kind of thing happened two or three times, in which I would repair the page, only to check it after about 10 hours to see that my repair was gone, replaced by an earlier incarnation of the page. I finally got it more or less the way that I wanted it and gave up on trying to use it.

Either I was vandalized or there is something wrong with the software. At this point, being a newbie, experiencing unmistakeable hostility from both admins and other users, and being forced to use a wiki technology that presumes a level of trust and goodwill that is clearly not realized here, I have absolutely no confidence that I will ever be able to communicate effectively on my own talk page. My plan is to not touch it until someone posts a conversation opener and then to respond to that person while carefully documenting exactly what I do and what, if any, vandalism occurs to sabotage the conversation.

Wo'O Ideafarm (talk)03:55, 25 April 2013

I do not need proof your talk page was deleted or revisions were done. this here is a full history of it. You fail to understand the difference between BLANKED and DELETED. If you have screencaps, please cite deleted text. No one vandalized your page at all. Please, respected equal, in the spirit of love that you claim to espouse, retract your false allegation.

LauraHale (talk)04:28, 25 April 2013

I am a newbie. All I can say is that my talk page kept changing in ways that not only were not my changes, but kept clobbering my changes. Either the software was doing it or another user was doing it. I was definitely not doing it. My own changes kept getting overwritten.

These kinds of things often happen with newbies. When a person is unfamiliar with a computer environment, he or she does not notice telltales that would reveal to a more experienced user what is going on. Newbies can misunderstand a user interface and unintentionally cause weird things to happen, especially if the system is also new and not thoroughly tested.

I saw enough viewpoint hostility on the part of admins here that I have no faith whatsoever in the editorial objectivity of the people who administer this environment. Given the information that I have, I am convinced that some administrator who knows how to cover his or her tracks intentionally sabotaged my talk page during the ten days in which I was trying to set it up, figure out how everything works here, and respond to Ms. Hale's unreasonable demand that I apologize for saying something that I never said.

I am willing to persevere because I think that you all are doing something very important and something very "new school". I am old and very "old school" and I am quite intrigued and want to understand the new ideas that appear to seem common sense to you but are quite strange to me.

Ms. Hale, please restart your conversation with me on my talk page, and let's have a pleasant conversation there. If the conversation disappears, please be assured that it was not I who deleted/blanked it.

Wo'O Ideafarm (talk)04:58, 25 April 2013

So... to be clear, you are admitting 1) Your page was not vandalized, 2) No material was deleted by any contributors, 3) You made a false allegation that you have since retracted where you alleged misconduct, 4) You now understand that your talk page is a place anyone can engage you and that you do not have complete control of this space?

Is this the correct interpretation of your tl;dr (teal deer) response? Respected equal, are you we understanding your words in the same way?

LauraHale (talk)06:58, 25 April 2013

No, no, no, and no. Please read my post again and pay particular attention to:

"...I am convinced that some administrator who knows how to cover his or her tracks intentionally sabotaged my talk page..."

Wo'O Ideafarm (talk)14:18, 25 April 2013
 

I just discovered what is happening: I have two talk pages, one for Wikipedia and one for Wikinews.

The integration of the two into what the user experiences as a single web site was confusing for me because the talk pages have an almost identical format and function, and the links at the top of the page that you click to get to them are the same. Which talk page I saw depended randomly on what I happened to be doing before deciding to view my talk page.

Wo'O Ideafarm (talk)14:38, 25 April 2013

Confusions happen. Tbh, though, you should not have been so ready to embrace a nefarious explanation. WN:Never assume.

Pi zero (talk)15:01, 25 April 2013