User talk:Виктор Пинчук/Russian traveler presents book with mysterious title in Yalta
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Revision 4799064 of this article has been reviewed by Michael.C.Wright (talk · contribs) and found not ready at 16:25, 24 September 2024 (UTC).
Comments by reviewer: The author is reporting on an event where they presented a book they wrote. As discussed on the author's talk page, this is not publishable due to a conflict of interest: "...you are THE PERSON GIVING THE PRESENTATION AT THE EVENT, then you WRITE AN ARTICLE ABOUT THE EVENT."[1] See also: Wikinews:Conflict_of_interest#Examples, specifically "Self promotion." Questions about the above? Ask. If possible, please address the above issues then resubmit the article for another review (by replacing {{tasks}} in the article with {{review}}). This talk page will be updated with subsequent reviews. |
Revision 4799064 of this article has been reviewed by Michael.C.Wright (talk · contribs) and found not ready at 16:25, 24 September 2024 (UTC).
Comments by reviewer: The author is reporting on an event where they presented a book they wrote. As discussed on the author's talk page, this is not publishable due to a conflict of interest: "...you are THE PERSON GIVING THE PRESENTATION AT THE EVENT, then you WRITE AN ARTICLE ABOUT THE EVENT."[2] See also: Wikinews:Conflict_of_interest#Examples, specifically "Self promotion." Questions about the above? Ask. If possible, please address the above issues then resubmit the article for another review (by replacing {{tasks}} in the article with {{review}}). This talk page will be updated with subsequent reviews. |
Review of revision 4799157 [Not ready]
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Revision 4799157 of this article has been reviewed by Michael.C.Wright (talk · contribs) and found not ready at 16:03, 25 September 2024 (UTC).
Comments by reviewer: I'm not sure how to better explain or illustrate what several reviewers are seeing as self-promotion. The problem is that you are the author of the book, the presenter of the event, and the journalist reporting on the event. You are promoting your product (the book) and your reputation. Please see the policy Wikinews:Conflict_of_interest#Examples for a clear definition of self-promotion. Questions about the above? Ask. If possible, please address the above issues then resubmit the article for another review (by replacing {{tasks}} in the article with {{review}}). This talk page will be updated with subsequent reviews. |
Revision 4799157 of this article has been reviewed by Michael.C.Wright (talk · contribs) and found not ready at 16:03, 25 September 2024 (UTC).
Comments by reviewer: I'm not sure how to better explain or illustrate what several reviewers are seeing as self-promotion. The problem is that you are the author of the book, the presenter of the event, and the journalist reporting on the event. You are promoting your product (the book) and your reputation. Please see the policy Wikinews:Conflict_of_interest#Examples for a clear definition of self-promotion. Questions about the above? Ask. If possible, please address the above issues then resubmit the article for another review (by replacing {{tasks}} in the article with {{review}}). This talk page will be updated with subsequent reviews. |
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[edit]How can I promote my book in Russian in the English-speaking world? This is absurd. Now, after my correction, the article talks about an unnamed author from Russia who cannot be identified even by photograph — i have been removed it. — Виктор Пинчук (talk) 16:19, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- How can I promote my book in Russian in the English-speaking world? If you aren't promoting your book and you aren't promoting your reputation, what do you hope English readers will gain from reading an article about you hosting an event to present a book written by you, in Russian, about travels you've made? —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Published) 19:14, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- In 2013, I visited a small village in the Western Highlands Province of Papua New Guinea, where the locals had never seen Russians. Before my visit, they thought that all Russians were communists and probably potential villains. I told them that the Communist Party was in deep opposition in Russia, and there were no more villains than anywhere else. They were surprised and changed their minds.
- My reports are simply news, which talk about cultural events on the other side of the globe; about the fact that in Crimea there live (not occupiers or Fantômas, but) the same people… — Виктор Пинчук (talk) 13:59, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- What you just described, the 2013 expedition and what you found, was indeed newsworthy shortly after it happened. It could be written about in a neutral point of view when the focus is on the findings of your travel, similar to how you just described it.
- The headline for this article indicates it's about the event at which you presented a book that you wrote. That is neither newsworthy, nor neutral in point of view due to the self-promotional aspect.
- Hopefully that helps you see the difference. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Published) 17:08, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- My reports are simply news, which talk about cultural events on the other side of the globe; about the fact that in Crimea there live (not occupiers or Fantômas, but) the same people… — Виктор Пинчук (talk) 13:59, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Moved to User space
[edit]I have moved this article to user space. This exception of moving draft articles to user space is permitted for original reporting content to be archived or reworked into an appropriate article.
The dispute regarding the article's status as abandoned was unproductive. Abandoned status is part of a maintenance policy (WN:PROD) to remove articles that have not been edited in the last four days. Draft articles are not meant to exist unchanged, in perpetuity. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Published) 15:05, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
@Michael.C.Wright: I see here (above) just references to the rules without any specifics. Are you suggesting that I edit the article? But after the edit it will still be deleted, because the English-language news community decided so. — Виктор Пинчук (talk) 15:24, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- I am intentionally not suggesting anything. The unedited/abandoned status of the article is unchanged for several weeks now. Our policy states that after four days of being unchanged, content should be removed. The only exception is WN:OR and that exception only allows more time for the OR to exist in User space before it must ultimately be removed from the platform if it is not successfully published.
- The community has determined that articles written about a presentation given by the author of the article is considered to be self-promotional and therefore unpublishable. This has been discussed at length. [3], [4], [5], [6]
- The community has determined that articles written by the host of a presentation, focusing on their own event, are not suitable for en.Wikinews. Such content is more appropriate for personal blogs or other platforms. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Published) 16:00, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- And I'm talking about the same thing: articles are not suitable for publication by decision of the community, and the template says that they are abandoned. — Виктор Пинчук (talk) 16:37, 9 November 2024 (UTC)