User talk:Виктор Пинчук

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Hobo book

Please see review comments on your article. Did you attend the presentation? Just curious.--Bddpaux (talk) 15:37, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

@Bddpaux: Style corrected. As for the rest.... Could you be specific? Of course, I attended the presentation of my textbook, the photos with my participation were taken using a tripod. — Виктор Пинчук (talk) 04:58, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Forgive Bddpaux. He may not be familiar with the Cyrillic alphabet and thus did not realize you are Viktor Pinchuk. Writing an article about yourself does raise some questions of COI and possible self-promotion. Cheers, SVTCobra 12:55, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

@SVTCobra:The article is primarily about the textbook, which was presented in a scientific library. But books are not created without the author's involvement. COI only applies to Wikipedia articles; "advertising" a freely available textbook serves the public interest. ― Виктор Пинчук (talk) 13:42, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Right, but we have our own COI policies, which I encourage you to read. I will be happy to take a look at the article again.--Bddpaux (talk) 23:59, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

@Bddpaux: Please give me a link to the page COI of Wikinews. — Виктор Пинчук (talk) 04:10, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Here you go....Wikinews:Conflict of interest. --Bddpaux (talk) 00:47, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Coins of the world article

This one might be workable (from a Conflict of Interest) standpoint. Please see my comment on the article's talk page.--Bddpaux (talk) 15:18, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Category:Nude (art genre)

We do not create categories on Wikinews until there are 3 published articles. Cheers, SVTCobra 14:18, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oк. I'll know. — Виктор Пинчук (talk) 14:22, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Recent presentation

Hello Viktor... just thought I would ask again: Who was the person with Russian WN that wrote the original story there about your presentation? I'm just curious. As we've established, my understanding of Cyrilic is pretty weak.--Bddpaux (talk) 17:01, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

• Hello, Bddpaux. Where are you from?
  Yes, it's me. I didn't answer because SVTCobra wrote the answer instead of me. You don't believe him? — Виктор Пинчук (talk) 17:32, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

He made a comment or two, but I didn't find a concrete answer to my question. Maybe I missed it. The below response seems to clarify things. I just wanted to understand. We are stretching our COI policy's parameters a few inches, but I see minimal harm done. Your photos alone are fantastic! And, I live in the U.S.--Bddpaux (talk) 20:32, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Paul, I thought we all knew/understood by now that Viktor is contributing stories about his own events. So he is both the subject and the reporter. This obviously raises some WN:COI concerns, but the general consensus has been it should not be viewed as advertising, as the articles are always after the event. Sometimes a book is mentioned, but it is not a book one needs to buy; Viktor puts them on Wikibooks. Could there be some vanity concerns? Perhaps, but so far the content has been interesting to me at least. SVTCobra 17:49, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

The entire collection can be found here if you want to inspect. SVTCobra 18:41, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

And: I largely agree... we are doing a delicate dance around our COI policy. However, I don't think it's worth much of a kerfuffle, by-and-large. I just was curious. I thought he might have a groupie at Russian WN (which wouldn't be a crime). [I wish we could do smileys here!] There is absolutely a vanity aspect to this, but, if only for the photos themselves, I think we can pivot around things a bit here. I strongly doubt he's being paid $50 a seat for these presentations, if I were to guess. He's cranking out good content. As long as things remain within these margins, I say no harm, no foul. We all have our pet interests.--Bddpaux (talk) 20:32, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

You can't do smileys or other emoticons? --SVTCobra 21:15, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

While we're at it.....

I might like to interview you some time about one of your trips. Coupled with your photos, an American guy interviewing a Russian guy about a big trip he took could result in a pretty good article. Let's discuss later.--Bddpaux (talk) 20:38, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bddpaux: That's a good idea. We could start today: now May 9th, it is a holiday (day off). 9:30 a.m. our time. — Виктор Пинчук (talk) 06:30, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Please check your email.--Bddpaux (talk) 17:34, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, @Bddpaux: Why don't you answer the letter? Your superiors forbade interviewing a Russian? — Виктор Пинчук (talk) 15:39, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Category:Sevastopol

Please place {{fill this category}} on the talk page with a list of articles which belong in the category. Thanks, SVTCobra 20:40, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
Done Виктор Пинчук (talk) 05:47, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi Viktor. I see what you did, but the way to do it properly is like this example: Category talk:New Zealand National Party. Cheers, --SVTCobra 15:06, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Done Ok? Виктор Пинчук (talk) 15:38, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

English source titles

For this article: Russian travel writer Viktor Pinchuk recounts Near East expedition in Verkhorechye, Crimea, please see my comments on the Talk page. You contribute interesting material! Do more, please!--Bddpaux (talk) 19:37, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

@Bddpaux: Thanks for the compliment. What did you mean? ("...titles for source articles need to be listed in English") This?

"Встреча с российским путешественником Виктором Пинчуком - Бахчисарай" — АФИША КРЫМА, e.g. January 23, 2024 (Russian)
"АФГАНСКАЯ ЭКСПЕДИЦИЯ, ИТОГИ" — Nethouse, e.g. January 23, 2024 (Russian)
"АФГАНСКАЯ ЭКСПЕДИЦИЯ ВИКТОРА ПИНЧУКА, встреча по итогам" — Dzen, e.g. January 23, 2024 (Russian)
"Российский путешественник Виктор Пинчук посетит Верхоречье" — TimePad, e.g. January 23, 2024 (Russian)
— Виктор Пинчук (talk) 06:06, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes--Bddpaux (talk) 23:32, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Russian travel writer Viktor Pinchuk presents book Third African trip in Bakhchysarai, Crimea

Please see review on this article.--Bddpaux (talk) 23:37, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Most recent article

Please see my comments on the talk page. Your work is interesting, but we have GOT TO have some credible outside sources on this kind of stuff. I'm sorry. We have historically stretched it and I like your stuff -- I really do! But, we just have to adhere to some level of standards.--Bddpaux (talk) 16:30, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Check User vote

I would appreciate a vote of Support here: https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Requests_for_permissions/CheckUser/Bddpaux --Bddpaux (talk) 15:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Re: Новости про Крым

Apologies, very sorry for this, we have a shortage of reviewers. To overcome it, it would be good to have one regular contributor who speaks Russian, has one-hour blocks available often for reviewing, and is familiar with the latest cultural and other developments in the region. I speak Russian, but I usually don't have the capacity to review unless it is about Australia or about technology, so I pass first criterion, not the second one and only 50% of the third one. Could you please discuss this in Russian Wikinews and find who can commit? The expected contribution is

• For few months, to help to edit submissions of other users on the website, to demonstrate understanding of the English Wikinews rules and policies. It would need to involve not only writing but also proofreading and editing others' articles, which are not necessarily about Russia because we do not get many -- reviewing is another skill than writing. Although, if there are two contributors, one could write and another could proofread and edit.
• After that the contributor could apply to become reviewer, and then the requirement to regularly edit to demonstrate understanding of policies would still apply, but perhaps to a lesser degree, so approximately one review a month probably.

It is better if the contributor is experienced with editing and reviewing, not as main author, as I noted above.

I would greatly appreciate your assistance with this.

My next two weekends are unfortunately busy but I will try to assist other reviewers with the review.

Приношу извинения, у нас нехватка активных рецензентов. Чтобы ее преодолеть, было бы хорошо иметь одного постоянного участника, который говорит по-русски, может часто быть доступен в течение примерно одного часа для рецензирования и знаком с последними культурными и другими событиями в регионе. Я говорю по-русски, но обычно у меня нет возможности делать рецензии, если только это не касается Австралии или технологий, поэтому я прохожу первый критерий, второй нет, а третий только на 50%. Не могли бы вы обсудить это в русскоязычных Викиновостях и найти участника, которыму хотелось бы помочь? Ожидаемый вклад:

• В течение нескольких месяцев, редактировать материалы других пользователей на этом англоязычном сайте, чтобы продемонстрировать понимание правил англоязычных Викиновостей. Это должно включать не только написание, но и вычитку и редактирование чужих статей, которые не обязательно о России, потому что у нас их не так много. Рецензирование — это другой навык, чем письмо. Хотя, если есть два участника, один может писать, а другой может вычитывать и редактировать.
• После этого участник может подать заявку на то, чтобы стать рецензентом, и тогда требование регулярного редактирования для демонстрации понимания правил все еще будет применяться, но, возможно, в меньшей степени, так что, вероятно, примерно одна рецензия в месяц.

Лучше, если на русских Викиновостях участник имеет именно опыт редактирования и рецензирования, а не авторства статей.

Я была бы очень признательна за вашу помощь в этом.

К сожалению, следующие две недели я занята, но я помогу другим рецензентам обрабатывать ваши статьи, которые сейчас ожидают рецензии. Gryllida (talk) 03:08, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

There are probably members in the Russian news section who know English. But the administrator of the Russian section does not have the same rights here, which means he needs to put forward his candidacy for the position of administrator. But will the members of the English section vote for a new administrator who is not a native English speaker? I am not sure about that.
P.S. I can bring this question up on the forum in the Russian section. Thanks for participating. — Виктор Пинчук (talk) 05:24, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello,

Thank you for your reply, Виктор Пинчук.

• A contributor from Russian Wikinews would need the Reviewer permission. No need to be Administrator to review and publish articles.
• Article style and content requirements here, they are different from the Russian version, maybe more strict or more style specifics in some ways. Inverted pyramid is one approach which not all other wikis use.
• It is correct, new contributor will be unlikely to be successful with a candidacy on basis of the contributions in another wiki. He or she will need to participate here at English Wikinews, at first without any privileges for maybe several months and understand rules, and understand other contributors here, well.

Hope it helps. Please ask if you have further questions? Gryllida (talk) 09:28, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I know that this section is stricter than the Russian one (where I have been given the auto-patrol flag). In my opinion, the idea of ​​someone from the Russian-language news participating is stillborn. It's like asking the administrator of the English-language news to participate in the Chinese section :-).
Help is really needed, because somebody are already saying that my article about ethnography is outdated... But I put a lot of work into it. — Виктор Пинчук (talk) 13:50, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

@Gryllida: Done: https://ru.wikinews.org/wiki/Викиновости:Форум/Общий#Поступило_предложение_из_английских_Викиновостей — Виктор Пинчук (talk) 14:36, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, good comparison, it is much like "asking English Wikinews administrators if they speak Chinese and would like to volunteer". At the moment though in Russian Wikinews there are probably more than one English speaking contributor. At present here at en.wn, there are zero sysops or reviewers who speak Chinese. I am hoping there will be a collaboration.

I am also happy to return the favor by writing and copyediting more articles (about my region,e.g., Australia) for ru.wn. Gryllida (talk) 10:30, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

I am active on English Wikipedia, as well as on Wikinews in Russian language. I am patrolled user in the latter. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:53, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

@BilboBeggins Sorry, please don't mislead our colleagues, but you are completely inactive in Russian news. Correct me if I am wrong. Thank you. Wavepainter (talk) 09:01, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

We are both participating in discussion on Wikinews forum, so I can't understand inactive bit. BilboBeggins (talk) 10:11, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

You are right, you are indeed very active on the Forum, you and two others, and you keep trying to get me involved too, but, no way. In the last month, out of 42 new articles, I have written 38, you have written none. I have created many new categories, you have created none. Since the end of July, the title page has only had news articles written by me and I change one every day. How about you? - You are very active on the Forum.

Before trying to make a mark elsewhere, try to be useful where you are. Wavepainter (talk) 10:50, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

What is that Forum thing and why does that Activity not show in the link provided by Wavepainter? Gryllida (talk) 10:53, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

The Forum page is here. Please let me know if you were able to open it. Wavepainter (talk) 11:36, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

I am actually the third by activities amount according to this page, the user at 2nd place having many edits generated by HotCat, creating categories.

I am one of the most active Russian Wikinews members. I have all kinds of activities on Wikinews and do it for over a year. I made many short news messages, and this statement about me being inactive is based on zero evidence. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:29, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

@BilboBeggins I must express my concerns regarding the ongoing inaccuracies in the information being shared with our colleagues, as you have been attributing actions and qualities to yourself that do not align with reality.

Yesterday, for the first time in a month, you published an article regarding the transfer of footballer Raheem Sterling from one club to another. You cited the Guardian as your source, from which you used approximately 37% of the original article. However, the issue is not solely with this fact. The Russian text contained two grammatical errors and the stylistic presentation was lacking. This suggests that the text was not thoroughly reviewed, indicating a lack of diligence in your work. Additionally, in your capacity as editor, you placed your article on the front page, replacing a recent news item with your own, thus leaving the outdated news behind. Wavepainter (talk) 21:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

" I must express my concerns regarding the ongoing inaccuracies in the information being shared with our colleagues, as you have been attributing actions and qualities to yourself that do not align with reality."

I don't like this. I am not many counting articles that I wrote this year, and I am not copying them, like you copied article from Radio Freedom, word by word (you later adjusted them). And I remind you, source article is in English and my article is in Russian, facts are facts, what are 37% supposed to mean.

The statement about me being inactive in Wikinews is completely false, you knew that I made contributions this very month since we communicated on forum, you didn't cross it even after I pointed out that this is not the case, and my activities area were actually seen on the link.

I am in top three of user contributors by edit count, not counting bots of course. BilboBeggins (talk) 05:54, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

There is an article about Russian Wikipedia in the Newsroom, about two million articles. Can you please help me with answers to the questions asked at its talk page? The author is away. (@BilboBeggins, @Wavepainter, @Виктор Пинчук). Thank you. Gryllida (talk) 09:19, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Gryllida,I have a creative meeting in Yalta tomorrow. — Виктор Пинчук (talk) 14:10, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

A decision

Viktor: I like your photos (mostly). I like your descriptions. I think your talks would be interesting to attend. But (as has been written about to a severe degree) there is too much navel gazing and COI here and it has to stop. Point-of-fact, and I'm quoting,
"Also worth mentioning is getting to the island of Pentecost (Vanuatu), in particular to the ethnic village of Bunlap, whose residents have preserved the traditions of their ancestors. To do this, it was necessary to overcome a route with several transfers: Singapore — Fiji — Vanuatu (by plane); then to the island of Pentecost by ship, and then walk for half a day, getting through Ranwas to Bunlap. And to get, for example, to the tiny village of Cerrillos, located in a desert area of Bolivia (where there is no public transport), you need to buy a four-day tour by jeep: attempts to get here on your own can end sadly." That is cool! But: it doesn't belong in a news article, written BY YOU about a talk YOU GAVE at an event FEATURING YOU that was written about at Russian WN BY YOU. I hope you can understand the meaning of 'navel gazing' and 'Conflict of Interest'. Paragraphs like that belong in a VERY INFORMAL travelogue -- not in a news article at a place that writes about discrete news events. This just has to stop. This is (using the most polite language possible) some basic form of self-promotion. We can maybe work up some tips/work-arounds on this stuff. You can MAYBE be one source for a larger article on some related topics down the road, but I just don't know. You would make a cool interview SOURCE, but you have just layered yourself into this article far too much. Nothing personal, I promise.--Bddpaux (talk) 21:41, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

@Bddpaux: The material about the history of the exhibition was added by me at the request of User:Michael.C.Wright, who motivated it by the fact that an article about travel would be more interesting than an article about a cultural event (you can follow the conversation on the discussion page). This part was written by me specifically for the English-language news, the Russian-language version does not have it. If the article needs additional correction, I will do it. — Виктор Пинчук (talk) 05:27, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Bddpaux, do you wish to remove the two Crimea region stories from review queue, then? If not, could you please review? Thanks. Gryllida (talk) 00:39, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Just trying to get a feel for this.... Viktor, did you attend this as a representative of Russian Wikinews?--Bddpaux (talk) 17:58, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@Bddpaux:Yes, I attended this event as a representative of Russian Wikinews. I think that, to some extent, also as a representative of English Wikinews. Otherwise, why would I record a video in English? — Виктор Пинчук (talk) 18:09, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Right. Sure. OK -- but: You were the person DOING THE PRESENTATION, about your travels, right?--Bddpaux (talk) 17:18, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

@Bddpaux:I set up the camera on a tripod as a Wikinews representative, then pressed "record" and faced the lens as the central object/organizer of the event. And when the spoken text ended, I returned to the role of Wikinews reporter. Why do you ask, it's obvious? — Виктор Пинчук (talk) 17:36, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Finally and (maybe) forevermore

OK -- I have done some VERY HEAVY pondering of this situation over the past few days. Zillions of words have been written over (at least) the past 2 years about your contributions here. Speaking personally: I like your photos. They have a very 'real' edge to them. I am enthralled with this whole 'hobo tourism' thing -- it is great! You travel a long way from home, take lots of photos and that is cool. You are in the very least a devoted amateur travel writer/ethnographer. One of your articles currently in the queue (that I reference in the following words) even mentions a presentation coinciding with 'International Ethnography Day' (or something of that ilk) and that only serves to INCREASE the newsworthiness of that article. Now, I am going to write words about the past:
*We have, historically, given you a great deal of leeway on your articles. Why - where - newsworthiness etc. has been generously handled. In the least, I think Reviewers are captivated by the photos, if nothing else -- and that wasn't a crime. The sticky wicket, though, is that you are THE PERSON GIVING THE PRESENTATION AT THE EVENT, then you WRITE AN ARTICLE ABOUT THE EVENT. You and your actions about some places you visited are the focal point. You said so yourself above: "...the central object/organizer of the event." I hope you can understand that is a beehive of COI, in the very least.

• Many other articles were minimally newsworthy for an international audience. That generosity ends today. If you lived in Canada (for example) and spent very little money to come see me in Texas, took photos of cool buildings and people, then travelled back to Canada and talked to 27 people about what you'd seen/done -- that would not really be newsworthy for our larger audience. I hope you can see that.

Now, I am going to write words about the future:

• I have some ideas about some work arounds for this. We can focus on the trip(s) -- who you spoke with, what you learned -- why you went there etc. etc. I've broached the topic in the past, but have gotten busy with real-world work stuff, etc.
• We have been severely loosey-goosey about staleness on these types of articles. We need to get that rectified and soon! We do. I think pushing the OUTER LIMITS at 3 weeks should be about the maximum, at best. This event happened about 7 weeks ago -- that is just too far. I'm sorry.
• The additional source thing must get ironed out. That has improved and I hope it continues to improve. We have to have more than just YOUR words and taking that one step further: Your notes have to improve so that what is found in the article(s) can be better validated.

We value you and your work here -- some things just have to improve.--Bddpaux (talk) 17:56, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

"The sticky wicket, though, is that you are THE PERSON GIVING THE PRESENTATION AT THE EVENT, then you WRITE AN ARTICLE ABOUT THE EVENT" — I wonder how it can be improved. The person that writes is most invested in the topic, that is why it is interesting to read it.

There are autobiographies written by people about their experience. Is this the only time when a person writes a report or piblishes something about them or their travel experience? BilboBeggins (talk) 07:15, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Are there any, in Category:Original reporting? Gryllida (talk) 11:20, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Notes

If you lived in Canada (for example) and spent very little money to come see me in Texas, took photos of cool buildings and people, then travelled back to Canada and talked to 27 people about what you'd seen/done -- that would not really be newsworthy for our larger audience. I hope you can see that.

@Bddpaux: I have an article on this topic, but unfortunately only in Russian: https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/Девять_шагов_с_«мыльницей»_наперевес_(Пинчук)

How to follow newer drafts

Some people read the "recent changes" page constantly. Some others refresh "Newsroom" a few times a day.

There is an easier alternative to follow latest drafts: visit Wikinews:Water cooler/assistance, either manually once a week, or click "Subscribe" button at right top. It will Notify or Email (depending on configuration) when a new topic is added to the page. Then you can see what to edit and what are main requests for help with it, without spending too much time on the site.

Editing other drafts -- and answering questions at the water cooler linked above, which is the less time consuming version -- may help reviewers spend less time on them, and review your articles faster.

Hope it helps. Gryllida (talk) 21:23, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Gryllida, why should I read this if from today I am being kicked out of English Wikinews? — Виктор Пинчук (talk) 16:32, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Where and how did this happen? Gryllida (talk) 22:46, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

If it's the "self promotion" reason, now I've proposed solution and asked for feedback. Please let me know how it sounds to you. -- Gryllida (talk) 02:50, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, the reason is that I sell books (in Russian) here on the news — to Americans and Australians, and given that they don’t understand Russian in 99% of cases, I suggest buying a large Russian-English dictionary:-) — Виктор Пинчук (talk) 06:02, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

I could have covered the entire literary festival (it lasted three days and is now over) and interviewed some of the participants, but that would have been a whole other amount of work; I would have had to give up everything else and get a job as a reporter. — Виктор Пинчук (talk) 06:21, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Interview of each participant is not necessary, maybe some overview of event programme and interview to organiser could help to make report more balanced. Gryllida (talk) 06:29, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

The organizer will not give me an interview because I do not have a document confirming that I am a journalist (a correspondent for some official publication).— Виктор Пинчук (talk) 14:14, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

I understand Russian as my mother tongue, and I don't know another reviewer who does. It could help to include a translation on the article talk page if a source is foreign. When interviewing or reporting on a Russian language event (especially literature event, so it includes Russian language names of events or books shown), the translating would involve some substantial effort from you to do it, and substantial effort from reviewer to check. I think this is possible, it would be nice to do if you are open to it, and I am happy to help. Gryllida (talk) 06:27, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

This is impossible: the festival is over. — Виктор Пинчук (talk) 06:36, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Gryllida, guess why in the museum category there is only my news; and in the category "Sevastopol" there is nothing else except my news.
https://ru.wikinews.org/wiki/Категория:Музей_истории_города_Симферополя
https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Category:Sevastopol — Виктор Пинчук (talk) 14:30, 26 September 2024 (UTC)