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Review please 2024-09-03 England: Staffordshire town celebrates LGBTQ+ pride despite funding issues

Hi @Heavy Water, @Bddpaux, @Cromium, @Chaetodipus, @JJLiu112, @LivelyRatification, @Microchip08, @RockerballAustralia, @SVTCobra, @Tom Morris, @Tyrol5

Hope you're doing well.

  • You're on my active-and-possibly-available Reviewers list, could you please review this at your convenience, it is outside of my scope, topic is too confusing for me to be comfortable:
  • To opt out of being highlighted about each new draft being submitted for review, please reply and write 'Gryllida, I don't wish to be notified anymore' or 'Gryllida, I only wish to be notified of (region/country e.g. 'India' or 'Japan') and (topic e.g. 'law' or 'science') from now on', I will remember it.
    • I will also remove you from my list after 7 counts of highlights to which there is no response. Apologies for the noise, I believe (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, I am open to suggestions), it might be useful given that there was only one story published in the last two months here. Meanwhile I am trying to copyedit, even for stories outside of my ability to fully review.

There are also several other stories in Newsroom which expired or are going to expire freshness soon, according to the current freshness guide which is 7 days or less, with longer times for Original Reporting (correct me if I'm wrong), please check:

Thanks, Gryllida (talk) 23:45, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Australian Education Minister Jason Clare proposes legislation prioritizing rural institutions in international students cap

Last possible day to review today; the story was sitting abandoned for 3 days due to me not paying attention after writing it. If not reviewed today, this will be taken off the queue. Thanks. --Gryllida (talk) 00:53, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

downgraded to stale, changed to possible OR, next section below Gryllida (talk) 01:24, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

draft of questions #or #australia #education #politics

Hi all, please have a look and assist with devising the list of questions to ask to get input from several political organizations. Thank you! Gryllida (talk) 01:24, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Photo exhibition “Ethnic features of the world people” took place in the Crimean capital

The article has been edited by the author, according to the requirements specified on the discussion page. The material has been in standby mode for a long time. Please review the article. Виктор Пинчук (talk) 05:18, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. The article contains abundant visual material on ethnography and is related not to any particular country or continent, but to the entire planet Earth. — Виктор Пинчук (talk) 05:30, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Виктор Пинчук I don't think this is right place to ask for a review, there have been no reviews in 5 weeks because there isn't enough active people. There is no reason your article should have priority over anyone else's when some is available, anyways. (As a side note, 3 reviewers who make up the majority of reviews have stated they will not pass your articles in their current form, so you may have trouble there). Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 15:43, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"There isn't enough active people" — This cannot be a reason for deleting an article concerning the ethnography of many continents of the planet earth. — Виктор Пинчук (talk) 16:17, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There isn't enough active...to review it before it goes stale.@Виктор Пинчук Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 02:50, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This cannot be a reason to delete a quality article. Besides, ethnography (to which the topic of the article belongs) does not become outdated. News of a political nature can become outdated. Let's wait. — Виктор Пинчук (talk) 06:01, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
English Wikinews is a news project. All of our policies and guidelines center on publishing news, which is defined by a stated level of WN:Freshness (generally, seven days). While there is leniency provided to original reporting, that leniency clearly isn't boundless. While I do support leaving your OR articles in the review queue for up to eight weeks before marking them stale[1], I don't agree that by calling them 'ethnography' they become limitless in freshness.

Exclusive content has the potential to extend our freshness horizon by days or even weeks, depending on the nature of the original material.

– WN:NEWINFO

OR extends the freshness horizon, but does not remove it. And again, I think a reviewer should clarify the level of leniency OR is afforded as it relates to Freshness. Until then, I think non-reviewers should stick to established precedent.
—Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Published) 15:36, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Michael.C.Wright as previously stated, 8 weeks would clearly be considered way too long by our 2 most active reviewers. Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 16:31, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Me Da Wikipedian, I don't see where any reviewer said something like that. Can you provide a quote/diff? Maybe I'm misunderstanding something.
I see a partial conversation happening about freshness[2] (among other things), yes. But I don't see where anyone stated specifically X weeks are "clearly considered way too long."
Bddpaux did inform Viktor "we have to turn off the switch on these"[3], but then proceeded to publish the article after changes were made by the author.[4] Like I said elsewhere[5], consider what that communicates to the author: the publication notes state "You have done a decent job on re-focusing on the 'exhibition' as the news event." So if I were the author, I'd make sure the exhibition is the focal event for future articles, which was what was done on the latest article pending review. Bddpaux's notes and the fact that they published the article both reinforce the notion that 1. reviewers have found value in Viktor's posts and 2. for that reason they have afforded Viktor's articles significant leniency regarding Freshness.
I see where @Bddpaux said "I probably [emphasis added] won't stretch it (time-wise) this far again."[6] But this is much different from saying X weeks is way too long.
I also see where Cromium proposed "the two weeks it says the exhibition is running for" for that specific article (not broadly for all OR).[7] Tthat is not the same as saying something like 'OR freshness is limited to two weeks.' No other reviewer responded to that specific recommendation so I wouldn't interpret that as any type of consensus.
If anything, I do see reinforced consensus that OR 'gets significant leeway with freshness.' I don't see any consensus on what qualifies as significant or excessive for that matter beyond precedents set by previous publication of stale content. ––Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Published) 18:05, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Michael.C.Wright please read this thread for an example. Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 03:28, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I linked to it above to show that I've read it. I quoted from it. I haven't found any mention of '8 weeks being considered way too long,' even though I personally feel it is.
If that’s the consensus, it would be helpful for reviewers to clearly state it and apply it consistently in their reviews. While I expect this might be addressed in the future, I haven't seen any clear guidance or consistent action on it yet. As things stand, the precedents are set around 7.5 - 8 weeks for this author's OR, and that's what I’ll continue to follow. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Published) 14:56, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Michael.C.Wright if 4 weeks is too long, that 8 weeks is too long naturally follows. Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 03:51, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Виктор Пинчук no, but the article going stale (because of no active reviewers) is. Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 16:29, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, rules are important (both in this project and everywhere in our lives). But I will add a little logic. A certain political event or natural disaster could only happen on a specific date. While a photo exhibition dedicated to the annual holiday "Archaeologist's Day" celebrated on July 12 could well have taken place in the same form on July 12, 2025. Correct me if I am wrong. P.S. Moreover, I will say honestly, this exhibition was planned for July 12, 2023, but due to the circumstances, the museum could not accept it. (So now we see an event of 2023, unrealized:-). In this case, the concepts of "new" and "old" are relative.— Виктор Пинчук (talk) 17:00, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I get that, but there must be some point at which a story is no longer new, and it must be a reasonable point. The rest of the above is really myself and Michael.C.Wright disagreeing on what reviewers think qualifies as new for this article.@Виктор Пинчук Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 03:29, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In defense of the article

Only in my articles can the news user (external and internal) see the photographs presented at the exhibition (no matter whether they are good or bad) in order to evaluate them. Reporter has no right to do this: he can only make a report, photographing the action and participants of the event. Do you feel the difference?

I appeal to the reviewers: "Please check the article" — Виктор Пинчук (talk) 05:22, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Виктор Пинчук "I think my article is useful and important" (which most authors think their articles are) is not a get-out-of-staleness-free card. Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 05:41, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikinews currently has 16 reviewers. — Виктор Пинчук (talk) 15:06, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Виктор Пинчук no article has been reviewed in 6 weeks...because there are no active reviewers. Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 15:36, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I really think we need to reach a conclusion on this larger situation. Again: I like Viktor's photos -- they are super awesome! But, there is a QUAGMIRE of COI problems at play here and I am unclear if he grasps that properly. He loves to lead off with 'Russian WN attended a lecture on bla-bla in Crimea'. Yes: but YOU WERE RUSSIAN WN AT THAT EVENT!! An event where YOU were talking about a trip YOU TOOK WHILE SHOWING THE PHOTOS YOU TOOK. There could be some work-arounds on this kind of stuff, and again: I value the photos! I do! But this format/style-of-delivery does not work here.--Bddpaux (talk) 14:36, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bddpaux I that someone needs to explain in relatively simple English what the issue is and how to fix it, preferably on their talk page (and that 3 reviewers now wont pass their articles) Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 15:23, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have done that (hopefully well) at Viktor's Talk page.--Bddpaux (talk) 18:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

#economics #politics #asia #bangladesh Around 8,000 Rohingya Muslims have fled to Bangladesh

Authored with 3 days delay and approaching the end of its freshness windows... Pleasw help to edit and please review. (I can't, too exhausted currently.) Gryllida (talk) 12:11, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

#NewZealand #politics Tens of thousands attend royal Maori funeral, coronation

Not stale yet. I left some feedback, author is being inactive. --Gryllida (talk) 12:13, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Newsroom cleanup

  1. On the campaign trail in the USA, June 2024
  2. Episode 100 of iSiphetho destiny
  3. Play room live is about to end season 1 with a lot of fun and vibes to keep people entertained.
  4. 51 killed, 271 injured in a Russian missile strike in Poltava
    For the record I think it becomes stale on September 11 not September 9 (because its a 7 day freshness window). Am I missing something?@Gryllida Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 00:07, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. UN secretary-general warns about rising sea levels
  6. Billboard Korea recognizes Philippine P-Pop groups BINI and SB19 as 'Voices of Asia'
  7. Album of the Year adds Cloudflare protection, with detrimental side effect of preventing web archiving
  8. Australian Education Minister Jason Clare proposes legislation prioritizing rural institutions in international students cap
  9. Sergey Romanov presented the updated social network SocialAppe 2024
  10. Pope Francis starts his longest trip yet as Catholic Church pivots to Asia
  11. Destructive windstorm hits São Paulo, Brazil: 3 injured and gusts reach 80 km/h
  12. Roman-Era Human Remains Discovered at Rolls-Royce Site in Bristol
  13. Ukraine reports Russia's losses since the invasion
  14. Digital education in São Paulo, Brazil: More problems than solutions?
  15. The 19th edition of Wikimania - a global gathering of creators of Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects - began on August 7 in Katowice.
  16. US Congressman Brad Schneider says his Capitol office was vandalized
    By the way, the last real edit to that article was July 12, in the future you can delete it right away (or mark it as abandoned from the correct date at least). @Gryllida Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 00:09, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  17. US Supreme Court rules that Trump is immune from prosecution for official acts
    This is now 10.5 weeks old adding time for a review and to make OR its very much stale...@Gryllida Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 00:12, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  18. Google reports thirteen percent increase in greenhouse gas emissions
    @Gryllida Author has said they have interest in further work on the article Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 00:11, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  19. Hunter Biden files a lawsuit against Fox News for a "mock trial" of him

Question

Could there be a tool that presents me with a list of articles with the information shown for each article:

  • date of last edit to article,
  • date of last edit to talk
  • top 3 contributors with links to their talk pages
  • whether it is marked as OR,
  • link to article,
  • link to article talk
  • radio box to mark as abandoned
  • text box to leave message to article talk which pings the previous contributors [could this feature be added to talk page of each article and with feature to add a new user to list of pinged users, e.g. if I know User1 will be interested in this topic]
  • date of event + date of most recent development (settable manually) and/or any custom comment summarizing current article progress

This could help with spending less time going through the list above manually checking such information. Gryllida (talk) 23:23, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

#politics #humanrights Global Witness reports almost 200 environmental activist killings in 2023

Is this a single sourced press release? Or not? Please check article talk and assist in clarifying and editing. Thank you! 🙂 Gryllida (talk) 21:22, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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