User talk:Lyellin~enwikinews

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Community Service Opportunity?[edit]

I guess if you don't have the time to supervise a whole mass of low-level criminals, maybe i'll think of a way to orchestrate this function in some more automatic way, ie within the framework that currently exists. I hope having placed this note on top, in my beginner's luck-less way, did not make you miss it altogether.

Wikinews vandal[edit]

I gave up reverting the vandalism by

I've already asked for an Administrator to help out (I'm assuming you're not an Admin yourself?), both on Wikipedia Vandalism in Progress and on Jimbo Wale's talk page.

The Administrators can just rollback everything this user is doing in one fall swoop, right?


--DV 03:17, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

OK, where do I vote for you to be an Admin on Wikinews, given that Wikipedia Admins are not recognized as such over here? --DV 03:44, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Sysop access granted[edit]

Hi Lyellin,

you are now a sysop. Please use your powers wisely and for good instead of evil, do not delete pages without consensus, yadda yadda yadda ;-). Have fun!--Eloquence 22:23, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Style manual/guide?[edit]

It occurs to me that I've just been copyediting without a wiki style manual. Is the standard Chicago, Oxford, or something in between? Magic5ball 07:26, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Weather update[edit]

I am just about ready to post a new graphic for world surface conditions under the weather section. However, it appears that I can only update the two-column section underneath the single-column header and timestamp of the last update. In other words, I can no longer update where it says "November 29 Surface conditions".

I want to remove the two columns below the header section and update the single column section (the one with the "November 29 Surface conditions" text) to have a large thumbnail graphic with two links underneath it for Fahrenheit and Celsius versions of the full map.

Could you add an "Update" link to the single-column Weather section or otherwise make it possible for non-Admins to edit this section?


DV 20:43, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for providing the new Weather Update links. — DV 22:13, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)


Thanks for the tip, I'm still adjusting to the differences on this site from other wikis. Sarge Baldy 01:25, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

thanks :) Kakao


MacGyverMagic here. Sorry for the late reply. I haven't been on Wikinews for a while. "Spits" is a free newspaper in the Netherlands. It's not the best of sources, but I knew the information to be correct at the time. Also, I hoped there'd be more editing on the article after I started it... Anyway, I hope that answers your question, now if I can only remember my login..... 22:38, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)


I commented on your new ideas for departments on the talk page for WikiBureau United States. — DV 10:15, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)


Hi Lyellin,

Have you read anything about voting for the Wikinews logo?

I checked on the logo proposals page and there was a mention of a vote happening sometime in December, but I was unable to find out who is organizing the vote or what page the vote is being held on.

The current logo is cute in its own special way :), but it's kind of worn out its welcome at this point, don't you think?

I realize there are a million and one important things to spend time on, but the logo is displayed prominently while using Wikinews, so I thought I would ask your opinion about it.


DV 10:34, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Main page layout improvements[edit]

Hi Lyellin,

I set up a sandbox for the Main Page to illustrate an improved layout that addresses some of the issues a number of our readers have had with navigation and readability.

Please check it out and let me know what you think on the Main Page sandbox discussion page. (I also listed some of the reasons for switching to this new layout on that page.)

If we can reach a consensus on these changes, either you or another Administrator would need to help merge in the changes, because some of the edits shown in the sandbox require changes on the main page, which is protected.

Happy holidays.


DV 20:41, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Please see Main_Page/Sandbox3 and Main_Page/WideSandbox3. They're a pair that link to each other via the monitor icons at the top of the navigation bar. Ilya has started a discussion on the wide version's talk page. — DV 08:51, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Lyellin, one other thing - as a note to you in your role as Admin, both of the Sandbox3 pages show an example of a more compact version of the site banner. I am hoping you or one of the other Admins will consider using this new version on the MediaWiki page which hosts this notice, as the current version uses more space than is necessary at the top of every page.
For your convenience I have placed the proposed changes in a template called "SitenoticeSandbox", which expands out to the following appearance:

Feedback/chat: Water cooler - Wikinews mailing list - #wikinews on - Site news

It's a small thing, but the couple of lines of space saved by this new design make a difference.
DV 14:40, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)


Hey, great idea!

Would you have any problems if I created a copycat "WikiBureau Australia"?

Lankiveil 12:47, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC).


Thanks for your response to my e-mail list comment. I do wonder why there is an e-mail list, if the replies are made on Wikinews?

I'm glad to hear there is main page re-working underway; I will avoid getting involved in it then.

The water cooler/village pump can be a central resource for users to ask questions of other contributors, such as "can someone help me do X?" But if you look at the w:Wikipedia:Village pump you will see it has a collection of sections which clearly and quickly help a user to locate the information/support/FAQ s/he might be interested in near the top. It also allows users interested in helping out to monitor specific pages which are dedicated, rather than a long general page.

Users looking to find answers should be looking for a FAQ, first. Many questions are not unique, and Wikinews has a FAQ. That should not be on the water cooler, but linked from it. Beyond that, most questions are of the "how do I X in media wiki" (technical), "can someone do X" (assistance), "what are the rules about X" (policy), and "can we do X" (proposals) varieties, and should be answerable on or through the water cooler.

Other uses for the water cooler are to arrange social events, entertainments, group communication, and basically help contributors get along with each other.

None of this addresses the question of Policy.

Not only does Wikinews not have any available policy, yesterday when I looked there was not even a Wikinews:About, which is linked from every page in the site. There is not a policy about making policy; who can vote, what constitutes a "passing" policy (50.01%? 66% 80%?), alternative methods such as non-opposed consensus, how long a policy may be considered before it must pass/fail... These are fundamental decision-making policies.

I believe these should be addressed directly. - Amgine 17:56, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Regarding the Water cooler/Village pump - The table provides links to sections of the Village pump on Wikipedia, not separate pages. It merely breaks the conversations into topic areas.
Regarding the FAQ - guidelines, as opposed to policies, are reasonable in a FAQ, and can reach consensus quickly.
I have looked at the polls. 3 of the 5 polls have zero entries on their discussion page. However, even disregarding the lack of effort to discuss the policies in question and the extreme age of some of these polls, there are no policies in place to actually decide a poll. Any policy "decision" could be easily contested on this basis alone.
Due to this lack of policy some users, such as myself, are not writing articles. After Ilya moved my articles "for policy reasons", I chose to stop submitting articles until there are minimal guidelines. And I'm still looking for the policy used as the basis for moving my articles. - Amgine 20:48, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Check my article please[edit]

Look my new article: South American intellectuals support arrested FARC leader. It seems polemic because the source is POV. But I think the news is unabiased and reliable. Anyway, I think other opinions is important. Also check my English. Thank you very much. -- Carlosar 03:02, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)


G'day mate, I saw your conversation with Lankiveil re:WikiBureaus, and took it upon myself to make an aussie one at WN:WBDU, just thought i'd let you know, since you made the first. btw, hows the shakespeare wikireader going? The bellman 03:54, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

That time of the year again[edit]

This is a form letter that I am putting on the talk page of every admin: As you may know, we are approaching April 1. In many cultures, this is a time for pranksters to pull w:April Fools jokes on others. Because of the ease of editing, wiki projects tend to fall prey to these types of pranks rather easily. Let this be a reminder to us all to keep a special lookout for hoaxes, rampant fiction and other random acts of content vandalism between now and April 2. Good luck, and hopefully not too much damage will be done. -- Davodd | Talk 07:01, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

new convention[edit]

It's generaly thought that it's better to provide internal links (where possible) rather than external links (so as to keep people on wikinews for longer). However i really wouldnt go so far as to lable it a convention. Some people do it, others dont. Really i probably shouldnt have changed it, since we use a 'whoever wrote the article first sets the conventions' rule - but i did; feel free to change it back should you like to. ~The bellman | Smile 07:36, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hey Lyellin, you can blame this one on me! In the end after some descussion we decided to decide on a case by case method, here's 3 (fictatious) scenarios:
  • An article deals with a riot in Dunshanbe, Tajikistan - both places should link to Wikipedia.
  • An article deals with rural de-population in Ennistimon, County Clare, Ireland, - the first two places should link to wikipedia, but Ireland should link to wikinews Ireland.
  • An article deals with a new state law in Massachusetts, United States both should link to Wikinews pages.
Hopefully eventually Wikinews will have thousends of regional pages (county and state level). On these we can have a banner such as This page covers news relating to Orange County, Florida in the United States So that when a person reads an article relating to Orage County, Flordia they can click through to the Wikinews page on Orange County; see its location and other relevent stories and still be able to get to the wikipedia article with minimal effort. So basically a reader would be never more than 2 clicks from a places 1) Location, 2) Relevent Articles and 3) Encyclopic entry. → CGorman (Talk) 16:12, 2 May 2005 (UTC)


That's fine! It took me quite some time to actually find the correct name in Romanian, because unfortunately all of these Russian news sources use Russified names, but since I'm from Romania (and not from Moldova), I had no idea of the actual names in Romanian, because they never make it here in the Romanian media (as you probably know, the relationships between Romania and Moldova aren't all that great). As part of Country of the Week, I'm also going to write some more articles on Moldova from a Moldovan Romanian-language news source , Cheers, Ronline 00:29, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Another of those[edit]

'can you have a look' posts! I dunno if you've seen it but the Amgine/Simeon thing was talked about on the misc bit of the Water cooler. The Bush article has been listed for deletion - would you mind voting? PS thanks for the explanation of Amgine's comments - I was wondering what was going on there! Dan100 (Talk) 13:47, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Summit of South American-Arab Countries[edit]

I have finished it. --Carlosar 14:44, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Responding on the article talk page[edit]


If you can assure me I won't be blocked for responding there , I'll do it. I just don't want to be directly in Amgine's way on anything for the time being; so my plan was not to participate on talk pages he is involved in for the time being. I really wish I hadn't even noticed the remarks about Australia and Simeon; and I really only told admins because I thought you admins would want to know about it; but, maybe I was wrong about that as I have been wrong about other procedural matters. Do you think its a good time for me to offer an apology directly to Amgine about the water cooler stuff? Paulrevere2005 18:44, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

I saw the explanation on Dan100's talk page so I removed the inquiry. ok,thanks for info. Paulrevere2005 19:18, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Not that it matters much,if at all, but here it is;hmmmmm it doesn't read like sarcasm to me. Does it to you? Paulrevere2005 22:08, 12 May 2005 (UTC)


Not remotely. Because iocane comes from Australia, as everyone knows. And

Australia is entirely peopled with criminals. And criminals are used to having people not

trust them, as you are not trusted by me. So I can clearly not choose the wine in front

of you."[[1]]

White House, Capitol Building evacuated as small plane enters no-fly zone[edit]


could you clarify on the talk page what the original reporting component is? Thanks,--Eloquence 04:55, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Lula's future in the hands of Brazilian Parliament[edit]

I finished the article. You can do a first revision now, if you want. Thank you. Also I think that we could put this article as an original reporting. --Carlosar 19:53, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Using your nick[edit]

Would it be alright if I use your nick for a character in this story? I need to use the name of a few wikinewsies to make it recognizable. -- Redge (Talk) 17:58, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)


It was only after I sent the mail it occured to me that I don't have to say what a reminder is about :-).

BTW looks like Amgine will be on duty too. Have a good evening Dan100 (Talk) 18:44, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

An invitation...[edit]

I'm attempting to start up a new edition of Wikinews, one with a simpler user contributions system at m:Wikinews/Start a new edition#Open English. The goals of this project would be to simplify the process of submitting articles such that anyone with no knowledge of the Mediawiki software or the Wikimedia projects culture can easily understand and submit an article, and immediately see it on the main page developing articles section.

If you would be interested in supporting this project I would be pleased if you would sign up at the Meta page.

Why Please?[edit]

hi tom

may i please ask why you corrected my change to the article of the UCC's progress on recognition of gay marriage? this article was in the search and i wanted to post a link to it on our church website, since this is surely something to share and celebrate. but while reading it i saw the statement that the United Church of Christ was "the largest Christian denomination to do so. UCC has over 6,000 congregations and 1.3 million members."

but that's not true. our canadian ucc is 3,000,000, and we've a long long history on this issue.

i knew of wikipedia, but this article introduced me to wikinews. wow! what a wonderful concept.

so i thought to add my 2 bits worth.

if i have not followed a protocol, could you kindly advise me? i certainly did not mean to be meddlesome of troublesome, just to share and correct a small error.


Jock McTavish

Jock, I believe you are referring to the "You have to ask..." COmment? If so, I reverted that because it is against our Point of View Policies. The Comment didn't add anything to the article, instead all it did was basically set up a certain point of view regarding the news. In effect, it was not news, it was editorializing. Lyellin 9 July 2005 15:59 (UTC)

Answer to talk page[edit]

Hi there, I didn't see your question on the bombings talk page till today, sorry not to have answered. If you're still keen to know, Friends House is on the Euston Road opposite Euston, so not very near Kings Cross but very close to Tavistock Square, as in it's the closest bus stop heading South :) We heard the explosion and some of the first witnesses got here (we opened the building for the stranded) and told my colleagues about the bus which I then reported to Dan100 on his talk page, about ten/twenty minutes ahead of the first witness report on BBC London Live. ClareWhite 08:31, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Our's is the main headquarters and it has a very large and dramatic Meeting room, there are lots of others round London so you may not have come to FH, it may well have been Westminster Meeting if it was central. Free samples are available at our website and there'll be quite an extensive report next week about the work during the bombings, otherwise it's full of interesting news, we tend to write quite a lot about US Friends too :) ClareWhite 13:12, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Quaker portal[edit]

I took Ilya's comments on the talk page as just trying to prevent over-enthusiastic Wikinewsies butting in on pages with arguments about newsworthiness etc, but I took it as an assumption - and have included in the proposal - that all portals must be inclusive of anyone who wants to be involved. It would be great if you could help develop the Quaker portal! I hoped that Britain Yearly Meeting and Young Friends World Gathering would give us plenty of material to kick off with. PS I had assumed you were a girl till I read your talk page, sorry about that ClareWhite 17:25, 20 July 2005 (UTC)l

Quaker portal[edit]

You'll probably see that Dan100 has created a rather snazzy submission box on the Quaker page, so we're ready to start inducting Wiki-innocents like your father! ClareWhite 15:03, 21 July 2005 (UTC)


Hope the move goes well, look forward to seeing you back in September! Check out the latest Quaker story, finally got the Americans back in :) ClareWhite 16:05, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi! wikibreaks and distractions...[edit]

<grin> Not that I'm in an appropriate condition to be comprehensible.

Just want to say hi! glad to see you stopped in again! and you should see my current distraction at ... talk about your wikibreaks... Amgine / talk 03:36, 22 October 2005 (UTC)


Hi Lyellin... just wanted to thank you for your participation over the past couple of days. Your level-headed editing has had a calming influence on the wiki. - Borofkin 23:06, 23 March 2006 (UTC)


Hi, and welcome back:) I just explained my opinion on the article talk page. Neutralizer 23:49, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I just sent this to CHiacomo and Craig on IRC

"Chiacomo?Craig? Lyelin and I agreed to a title last hight for 3 hostages rescued in Iraq; some idiot changed it to a misleading "mission" thing; now the redirects have lost the article???" Neutralizer 13:57, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

<neutralizer> I can't find the article now?

Speedy deletion[edit]

Hi, just noticed your deletion but I could not tell which of the 11 reasons was in play; you did say copyvio but also essay so could you please lmk which of the 11 reasons justified the speedy delete? Thanks; also is there anyway a non-admin can have a look at an article speedy deleted to see if they agree? Neutralizer 03:06, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

no need to be hostile[edit]

Police have punishment and control authority; I have neither; nor do I wish to. Your "police" reference was silly and un-called for; my inquiry above was polite as I found your "essay" and "not-news" reference to the deleted article (23:06, 25 March 2006 Lyellin deleted "Secret Societies & Occult Politics" (Essay, Copyvio, notnews - all speedy)) odd as I did not think they are reasons for speedy-deletion. I'm still trying to learn the rules here,that's all; no "police" wannabes here. Neutralizer 14:06, 26 March 2006 (UTC)


I added a story: March 27th, "Redevelopment agency ends talks for church" (published) MartinGugino 14:08, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the cats fixes...[edit]

You rock for your timely response. Do you want to nominate the old cats/articles for deletion or shall I? Thanks again. Deeb 21:48, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Keep Lower Case[edit]

The lower case, "basketball," is closer to policy. Let's keep that. I'll mark the upper case for deletion. BTW, are categories only related via the markup on a sub-cat's page? Is there no other way to code it? I mistakenly followed what looked like an example on the "Wikinews:Categories and topic pages" page. It use forward slashes... which evidently aren't markup. Deeb 22:05, 28 March 2006 (UTC)


As is my habit, I replied to you on my talk page. StrangerInParadise 03:19, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

International Wikinews Writing Contest[edit]

Just a reminder that the IWWC starts tomorrow. Ral315 (talk) 10:39, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Just a reminder to list your stories at meta:International Wikinews Writing Contest 2/log. You currently have one joker. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 15:14, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


This is a message to inform you that I have added every administrator to the Rfda section on WN:A. This is not personal and I feel as if the community, who did not have the option of voting for or against most of the administrators, should be able to choose who they want to be in charge. I also want to say that I value everyones work on this site and I know that everyone does their best. I hope that none of you will take this personally and I hope that all of us will continue to work together. Jason Safoutin 12:15, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

New Policy has users up in smoke[edit]

Hello. I am not sure if you check this page anymore, but I thought you might be interested as to what is going on here at Wikinews: Wikinews:Image use policy/New wikimedia policy action plan. I am outraged as well as you have an opinion? DragonFire1024 09:46, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

You made my night! I have an interview with Natasha Khan, lead singer for Bat for Lashes, tomorrow at noon. I went to their show with a photo pass last should really, really check out their music. All girl band, and not hardcore, but not softcore. Very interesting. It'll make the interview more fun to read. She comes from a very interesting background per WIkipedia. --David Shankbone 03:36, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


Hello Lyellin. I see that you are an old-timer here on Wikinews! I hope you don't mind a suggestion. For the deletion of a nonsense item like you just did, it is probably good practice to delete some of the text that remains. That particular one still shows a persons name and cell phone number in the history (though it may be fake and has no area code). Cheers, Jcart1534 04:00, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for helping on the interview :-) --David Shankbone 17:37, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Image editing[edit]

How were you able to get the images to work on my article "Registered sex offender arrested for luring Myspace teenager to meeting?" Herb 22:35, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


The only thing it needs is to be Wikified some more, and probably some copy-editing. Unfortunately, I have my interview with Presidential candidate Sam Brownback in 15 minutes and need to prepare for it. --David Shankbone 14:45, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I wonder what will happen when I post my "What it takes to run an S&M Dungeon" interview. I spent three hours in one last night. <yawn> Now I get to talk to an Evangelical Christian - sort of like confession! haha. --David Shankbone 14:56, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

david shankbone is a questionable news source writer as i see your calling all blacks niggers and gays come on Lyellin please stop this guy. -- 18:32, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Huh? --David Shankbone 19:46, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Oh, God! Could you imagine my doing some of these interviews and then creating a page like that?! Good lord, I'd have to have split personality...haaha! --David Shankbone 20:07, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

You have been put up for desysoping due to inactivity[edit]

Hi Lyellin, just as a heads-up, you have been put up for deadminship based on your recent inactivity. If you wish to comment on this, please leave a message here. Thanks, Tempodivalse [talk] 01:55, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Inactivity - Permissions removed[edit]

Since you were inactive on Wikinews, we removed your account bits (Administrator, Reviewer). If you become re-active and would like your bits back, simply ask as 'Crat. Thank you. --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 18:15, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Your account will be renamed[edit]

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